(Reuters) - The remains of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess have been exhumed from a grave in Bavaria after it became a pilgrimage for thousands of right-wing extremists.
A church official in the southern town of Wunsiedel said on Thursday the tomb had been razed and its headstone removed after consulting with Hess's family over how to handle the grave site.
"The bones were removed and brought to the crematorium, and the ashes are to be scattered at sea," Peter Seisser said.
An early, fervent member of the Nazi party, Hess spent time in prison with Hitler in the early 1920s and helped edit Mein Kampf -- the book in which the dictator outlined plans to destroy European Jewry and murder other groups he considered undesirable.
Hess parachuted into Scotland in May 1941 after a mysterious solo night flight, apparently on an unauthorized peace mission. He was captured and held prisoner until 1945 -- briefly as one of the last prisoners in the Tower of London.
After World War Two, he was sentenced to life in prison at the Nuremberg war crimes trials, then hanged himself in Berlin's Spandau Prison on August 17, 1987, at the age of 93.
Officials granted his wish to be buried in Wunsiedel, but earlier this year started preparing the transfer of the remains elsewhere because extremists had treated the grave -- on which the phrase "I dared" was engraved -- as a shrine.
Many far-right groups say Hess did not commit suicide but was killed by British military guards in prison, and conspiracy theories about the Nazi, who was interested in the occult, abound.
Extremist groups often portray him as a martyr figure, and some from as far away as Oregon and California have organised memorials for him in the past, including a number of outdoor 'white power' rock concerts.
The annual pilgrimage of neo-Nazis in Wunsiedel peaked in 2004, when authorities say some 5,000 people came from across Europe, including left-wing counter protesters.
"Now, hopefully we can put it all behind us," deputy mayor Roland Schoeffel said. "We hope the phantom has left."
left and right are labels just like liberal and conservative. they're going to vary from place to place. however it's safe to say that stupidity changes very little wherever you go.
Nazism is a politically syncretic variety of fascism, which incorporates policies, tactics and philosophic tenets from left and right-wing politics. Italian fascism and German Nazism reject liberalism, democracy and Marxism.[65] Usually supported by the far right, fascism is historically anti-communist, anti-conservative and anti-parliamentary.[66] The Nazis' rise to power was assisted by the Fascist government of Italy that began to financially subsidize the Nazi party in 1928.[67]
Leftism is state control, and Nazis pushed for authoritarian state control of every aspect of society (selective aryan breeding, hitler youth...)even further than the Soviets.
The right has a focus on minimum government control and on personal freedoms, that naturally create the best and most efficient and least oppressive system.
The Nazis were hostile to conservatives, wanted to abolish capitalism in favor of a state-run system. While having surface aspects of conservatism, they were hostile to true conservatives, including hostility to leadership of the German army, that the SS was created to ultimately replace. The Nazis gave a surface appearance of conservatism, but below that surface, their ultimate goal was to radically transform Germany.
Don't blame the right-wing extremists. We are too busy trying to get Obama to cut down spending and balance the budget to have time for something like this!
Remember when G-shill and digby told us that the Nazis were liberals? Maybe they can share the news with the whack jobs who visited the gravesite.
I didn't realize they were reading this board. But, if I can help correct the record, sure, I'll be happy to help.
Liebe Nazis:
MisterJLA unerklärlicherweise denkt sie das hier lesen. Er hat nicht derselbe, seit er in der Note mit sich selbst, merkte, dass er homosexuell war und starten sie die esel von der Materie-eater Menschen. Naja. Jedem das Seine. Ich hoffe sie sind zufrieden. In jedem Fall pro Antrag ...
Hitler war eine Nazi. Nazismus war eine Form von sozialismus. Sozialismus ist eine wirtschaftpolitische Philosophie, die glaubt, dass Regierung alle ökonomischen hauptsächlichentscheidungen durch Befehl und folglich alle Produktionsmittel für das größere gute verweisen muss, jedoch definiert.
Es gibt drei Hauptabteilungen von sozialismus, ganz entgegenwirkend miteinander. Eins ist demokratischer sozialismus, legt das den Nachdruck auf demokratischen Mitteln, aber andererseits ist Regierung ein Werkzeug für das Verbessern von Wohlfahrt und von Gleichheit. Eine zweite Abteilung ist Marxist-Leninismus, der auf einer „wissenschaftlichen Theorie“ des dialektischen Materialismus gründete, sieht die Notwendigkeit einer Diktatur („des Proletariats ") um eine classless Gesellschaft und eine Universalgleichheit zu verursachen.
Dann, gibt es die dritte Abteilung oder Zustandsozialismus. Dieses ist eine NichtMarxist oder Anti-Marxist Diktatur, die nahe absoluter ökonomischer Steuerung für ökonomische Entwicklung und nationale Energie anstrebt, ganz analysiert, um die Leute zu fördern.
Hitlers nationaler sozialismus war Zustandsozialismus an seinem schlechteren. Er teilte nicht nur den sozialismus des Faschismus, aber war ausdrücklich Rassist.
Zu freier, nationaler sozialismus zu sein unterscheidet sich vom Marxismus in seinem Nationalismus, vom Hauptgewicht auf Volksgeschichte und Kultur, vom Idolization des Führers und von seinem Rassismus. Aber die Nazi und die Marxist-Leninisten teilten einen Glauben in der Regierung, eine absolute Lehre, totalitäre Steuerung über allen bedeutenden ökonomischen und Sozialangelegenheiten für das gute des Funktionsmannes, der Konzentrationslager und des Genozids/des democide als wirkungsvolle Regierungspolitik.
Hitler hielt sich einen fü Sozialisten und war einer durch den Beweis seiner Schreiben und der seiner Wirtschaftspolitik.
Z.B. in Hitlers Mein Kampf nahm er einige Bezuge auf sozialismus und seine Verachtung von Kapitalismus. Z.B. schrieb er: „1919-20 und auch 1921 sorgte mich ich einige der bürgerlichen [kapitalistischen] Sitzungen. Unveränderlich hatte ich das gleiche Gefühl in Richtung zu diesen wie in Richtung zur obligatorischen Dosis des Rizinusöls in meinen Knabenaltertagen.“
Er sagte auch, dass der Hauptunterschied zwischen Nazismus und Marxismus die ehemalige Umarmung der Konzepte eines Vorlagenrennens war. Z.B. schrieb Hitler: „Die folkish Philosophie ist vom Marxisten aufgrund der Tatsache grundlegend bemerkenswert, der das ehemalige die Bedeutung des Rennens und folglich auch persönlich wert erkennt und hat gebildet diese die Pfosten von seiner Struktur.“
Schließlich während nicht ein Anführungsstrich von Hitler, Sie diese Anmerkung von Gregor Strasser auch betrachten sollte, nationaler sozialistischer Theologe“ „sind wir nationale Sozialisten Feinde, tödliche Feinde, des anwesenden kapitalistischen Systems mit seiner Ausnutzung vom ökonomisch schwachen… und wir sind entschlossen unter allen Umständen, dieses System zu zerstören.“
(BTW, dieses vollständige „das anwesende kapitalistische System mit seiner Ausnutzung vom ökonomisch schwachen“ klingt wie etwas JLA Geschimpfen ungefähr. Kein Wunder kann er die Wahrheit nicht zulassen.)
Ich hoffe, dass dieses freien Sachen oben hilft. Solange Sie hier sind, lassen Sie mich zuteilen einige andere kernals der Wahrheit zu Ihnen: Rob ist homosexuell, danken Gott für PJP, ist BSAMS ein Anschlagbrettgott und König Snarf wird geschissen und sein Tod wird gefreut.
Thanks for letting us know that Social Darwinist, racist, homophobic, militarist, nationalist, pro-slavery ideals are extreme left and not extreme wight wing ideals.
Even the Wikipedia piece I linked above shows that the core beliefs of Nazism are leftist tenets, and while having a surface appearance of conservatism, are actually opposed to conservatism. Nazis in Germany were even hostile to the conservatism of the German army leadership. They wanted to abolish Christianity, at one point tried to replace it with worship of the Norse gods (which didn't go over well with the German people).
I was surprised, there is actually a large neo-nazi movement in Europe, and even in Russia! From what I've seen, it's the threat of overwhelming their cultures with foreign immigrants who aren't assimilating, more than anything else, that rallies neo-nazism.
But the tenets of authoritarian state control, abolishing capitalism, social Darwinism/evolution (to replace Christianity), and state dominance over personal freedoms such as having children, are all decidedly Left positions.
Did I miss where someone wanted to bring back slavery?
Two months ago, some SEIU guy talked about putting Conservative black USSC judge Clarence Thomas "back in the cotton fields." That's the closest I've seen to anyone pushing for slavery. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ctO7fdrcc
Did I miss where someone wanted to bring back slavery?
Two months ago, some SEIU guy talked about putting Conservative black USSC judge Clarence Thomas "back in the cotton fields." That's the closest I've seen to anyone pushing for slavery. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ctO7fdrcc
The Nazi's used slave labor from Jews and the conquered nations in the east during the war.
thedoctor Moderator Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts 07/22/11 09:08 PM Reading a post Forum: Politics and Current Events Thread: Bones of Nazi Hess exhumed from "pilgrimage" grave, due to right-wing extremists
Wow. A PM to pull me to a thread to see another one of your made up 'Who's Online Obsessor' posts? Very post 2005 of you, JLA.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Reuters) - The remains of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess have been exhumed from a grave in Bavaria after it became a pilgrimage for thousands of right-wing extremists.
Maybe they'll raise Hess from the dead, HELLBOY-style.
The schlocky movie trailers were one of the best parts of Rodriguez/Tarantino's Grindhouse double-feature. Among them, the Werewolf Women of the SS trailer :
Somewhat Hellboy-esque, and a fun possibility for post-mortem Hess.
I think extremist have gone so far to the right or left they've met each other. Its all the same bull shit and anger. Just look at people like wondy and mem. they're so far up their ideological ass they can't even think for themselves anymore.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
I think extremist have gone so far to the right or left they've met each other. Its all the same bull shit and anger. Just look at people like Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, and Herr Wondy, Uber-Boy. They're so far up their ideological ass they can't even think for themselves anymore.
I think extremist have gone so far to the right or left they've met each other. Its all the same bull shit and anger. Just look at people like Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, and Herr Wondy, Uber-Boy. They're so far up their ideological ass they can't even think for themselves anymore.
That's Von Wonderboy to you, schwein!
But seriously... for a guy like you who likes to label people as "Right.Wing.Extremist", the exact talking points of Schumer, Reid and Pelosi, I'd be real careful about the stones you throw from that nice glass house of yours.
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