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What are you guys making of the trial?

I'm obviously enjoying it, but I'm curious about your views. Witch hunt? Unfair? Prejudiced judge? Only a small percentage of his broadcast content?


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Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
What are you guys making of the trial?

I'm obviously enjoying it, but I'm curious about your views. Witch hunt? Unfair? Prejudiced judge? Only a small percentage of his broadcast content?


It's getting surprisingly little coverage here in the U.S., even in conservative news.

Certainly other cases involving Michael Flynn or Roger Stone, for example, prove the case of prejudiced and skewed judges. But the little I've seen of the Jones case, it at least on the surface seems to be a case argued of Jones defaming the Sandy Hook school shooting as staged, drawing hostility toward families who are grieving their murdered children.
I recall when Alex Jones was banned a few years ago, if I recall in 2019, from Youtube and elsewhere in social media. Alex Jones was pretty out there, but when he was banned, that was the beginning of the purge of a lot of other more moderate and mainstream conservative voices on those sites, ahead of the 2020 election. Precisely to kneecap the Republicans' ability to share information ahead of the 2020 election. Project Veritas has multiple videos of Youtube, Facebook and Twitter executives and employees saying that was precisely why they were deleting conservative accounts.

I'm not an Alex Jones guy, but if he is found guilty, let him pay damages to the families and be done with it. The verdict should not be used as leverage to silence Jones from having an audience among the millions (at least at one time) who find his opinion useful. I actually find the Scottish guy and a female reporter I've seen on clips of Jones' show more informative and likeable than Jones himself.
Particularly clips I posted during the 2017 riots in Charlottesvile, VA, that awakened me to the fact that conservatives in Democrat-run cities are deprived of police protection, to intimidate them from protesting or being politically active. I don't agree with white supremacists involved, but regardless, it's a fact that the withdrawal of police set the stage for a clash between white supremacists and the far larger leftist crowd, that caused the death of the girl who was run over. Whatever non-factual or conspiracy-laden material on Alex Jones' program, this is an example where his show gave light to facts that other media sources either ignored or were too afraid to cover, including Fox News.

With Alex Jones' severely diminished media reach after being cancelled from all the major social media sites, he probably gets about 10% of the audience that he previously had.
Similar to Don Imus a decade or so ago.
Interesting how these prominent conservative voices are subject to these media purges, and yet I've never seen even the most rabid liberal/Democrat voices given the same treatment and instant deprivation of their platform and audience. Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, Fox News, OAN, Newsmax, are all under constant barrage from leftist groups, pushing daily to have their programs, or their entire networks, taken off the air, or "de-platformed". The sponsor businesses who advertise on their programs are likewise under daily intimidation and pressure not to continue supporting their programs. In the cases of Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh, only the end of their programs stopped the daily barrage. And ending their programs precisely the goal. MediaMatters threw an office party to celebrate getting Glenn Beck taken off the air.

Rush Limbaugh died. But in the cases of Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, while they are still around on smaller platforms, their audiences have been greatly diminished. Which, once again, was precisely the Left's goal. And as we've seen across many cases, the Left's activist groups like MediaMatters and MoveOn, have allies in the news media, in the FBI and DOJ, and clearly among judges in the courts as well, collaborating to silence and de-platform not just Alex Jones, but ANY influential conservative thought. And in many cases, the zealous and illegal collaboration between these not-so-neutral institutions have been abundantly exposed. If there were anyone neutral enough to prosecute these leftist conspirators.

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https://dailycaller.com/2022/08/03/alex-jones-info-wars-tooth-judge-trial-defamation/

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Podcaster Alex Jones got into a mouthy altercation with the judge at his defamation trial Tuesday.

Judge Maya Guerra Gamble told Jones to spit out the gum inside his mouth during the course of testimony Tuesday, as seen in a clip shared on YouTube by the Law&Crime Channel. “It’s not gum,” Jones immediately responded.

The judge asked Jones what was inside of his mouth, reminding him that food and gum are not allowed inside the courtroom, video shows. “I had my tooth pulled a week and a half ago,” Jones explained, saying that the gauze inside his mouth is causing him pain.

“So you’re chewing on your gauze?” the judge responded. “Would you like me to show you?” Jones replied, seeming to pull the side of his mouth open and display it to the judge. “I was massaging the hole in my mouth with my tongue,” he continued, still showing the judge the hole inside his mouth despite protests from the judge.

The defamation case was brought against Jones in 2018 by the parents of the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school massacre victims. Jones falsely claimed that the shooting was a hoax, and that the parents were paid crisis actors. (RELATED: Joe Rogan Shreds Amber Heard’s Legal Team, Has One Wish For Johnny Depp)

Nine families of victims of the massacre have brought suits against Jones and InfoWars. In 2019, he was ordered to pay $100,000 for Sandy Hook legal fees. You can watch the full day of testimony in the most recent trial here.

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In defense of Alex Jones, and why his trial matters...

https://rumble.com/v1eordv-why-you-should-care-about-the-alex-jones-trial.html

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Alex Jones is a not inconsequential part of why I removed myself from affiliating with some political groups that were ostensibly "Austrian" in the economic views. He's pretty much the leader of the exact type of people Clinton called "a basket of deplorables." From the 9/11 inside job madness to devil worshipping elites to Sandy Hook being revealed as fake in The Dark Knight and beyond, the dude is an asshole of epic proportions that it more than happy to feed people idiocy and lies wrapped in pseudo-religious confidence of knowing the "real truth." Fuck him. Worst part is that he's proven to be the prototype for a new generation of opportunistic assholes to asshole their way to wealth. I think he's finally getting his due and I hope he ends up destitute on the side of the rode begging for illuminati dollars.

And, yes, you can go back and find where I credit him for breaking the gun walking program, Fast and Furious, that would've been buried without him. It exposed a ill-conceived idea that needed to be investigated and shutdown. But, that's like crediting the Inquirer for outing John Edwards as a scum-bag. It's true, but it shouldn't make all their other outlandish claims more believeable. But, he and others have mainlined a ridiculous amount of sordid innuendo and baseless conspiracy mongering into the body politic in such a way that him losing the shirt off his back will fall far short of fixing.

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I've made pretty clear my own opinion of Alex Jones over the last 15 years or so, from the time I became aware he existed. He begins to cite legitimate things that need to be addressed, but then shoots himself in the foot by going way beyond the facts. I think both Alex Jones and others who report for him do frequently make valid points and expose things that need exposed. But as I said above, even his facts lose credibility when he is so often factually outright wrong, or obscures his own point by weaving it into a mountain of wild conspiracy theory.

That said, watch the attorney in the opening 20 minutes of my last link. He says that Alex Jones was not the first person to post conspiracy theories about the Sandy Hook school shooting, that it was Facebook and Twitter posters who did so, way before Alex Jones addressed the issue, and that Alex Jones often dismissed the faked Sandy Hook shootings narrative on air.

And that Jones was railroaded in court to be accused and found guilty for things he didn't actually say or do regarding Sandy Hook conspiracy theory. Exculpatory evidence that exonerated Alex Jones was not allowed by the judge in the case, and much incendiary prejudicial insinuation that misled the jury was permitted.
And as was done with Trump, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, George Pappadapoulos, former Senator Ted Stevens and so many other Republicans, this isn't an isolated case, this is the same kind of Kafkaesque treatment the Democrat corrupted system would like to inflict on all Republicans.

Alex Jones is to me a cartoon. His grandstanding and show of emotion in his programs is on a par with a televangelist. It's theatre, mixed with some occasionally valid points.
But is he really guilty of what he was accused of in court?

I think it's the same as when Alex Jones and Infowars were kicked off Youtube and Facebook. He was a way-out-there conservative conspiracy theorist that people weren't going to defend when he was de-platformed. But Jones' de-platforming, when no one defended him, opened the door to [leftist] social media de-platforming and silencing a lot of other far more legitimate and influential conservatives, who should not have been silenced.
Including, alarmingly, a sitting U.S. president on Jan 6 2021, who was similarly de-platformed and cut off from his roughly 74 million political supporters, across 17 social media sites. That's a dangerous precedent.

And as I pointed out before, the way they de-platformed OAN, they want to also de-platform Newsmax and Fox News. Silence all dissenting thought, so they can boldly propagandize an authoritarian one-party narrative with no opposition.
https://www.oann.com/wp-content/upl...cTV_and_ATT_Chairman_William_Kennard.pdf

I don't see Alex Jones as representative of any widespread movement among media conservatives. I don't know one conservative who takes him seriously. But I guess they're out there. Regardless, amid the silliness, he has made some valid points over the years, that more credible voices have followed up on. He shouldn't be convicted of things he didn't do, just because he is widely disliked.

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Dave - it is news now on at least conservative news site:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/us/f...mp;cvid=a2d70f3639dd49e3bb5f2a66b6cefe78

"Deplatforming" is a funny turn of phrase which I've never heard before. They're private companies, obviously, and can do as they wish around content, and argument you've no doubt heard before. That leads to a tangential enquiry around the extent of their influence, which i'm concerned about, and equally so in respect of Rupert Murdoch's media empire.

iggy - I don't know many of the facts you've cited, but I can't disagree with a thing you've said in tone.


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Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
Dave - it is news now on at least conservative news site:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/us/f...mp;cvid=a2d70f3639dd49e3bb5f2a66b6cefe78

"Deplatforming" is a funny turn of phrase which I've never heard before. They're private companies, obviously, and can do as they wish around content, and argument you've no doubt heard before. That leads to a tangential enquiry around the extent of their influence, which i'm concerned about, and equally so in respect of Rupert Murdoch's media empire.

iggy - I don't know many of the facts you've cited, but I can't disagree with a thing you've said in tone.

I saw that Trey Gowdy broadcast live when it aired, and I was angered by Gowdy's jumping on the bandwagon without really digging into the facts of the evidence and how the judge oversaw the trial.

I first heard the term "de-platforming" around 2018, but the term was around several years before I first heard it. It is basically what the Left wants to do to the Right. They can't win over the masses to their ideology, so they prefer to silence their opposition, or even put their conservative opposition's speech in the category or "hate speech" or "nazi", or "inciting violence" or "insurrectionist", so as to put conservative speech in an illegal category.
A related, if not synonymous term, is "cancel-culture". I assumed these terms were universally used throughout the English-speaking world and Europe, wherever socialist/radical-leftists are seeking to usurp power, but maybe not. I've also seen that cancel-culture, beyond the U.S. and the broader West, is similarly occurring in nations like Brazil and Argentina. Their tentacles are virtually everywhere. The globalist/socialist Left is making a full-court press in nations worldwide to overthrow democracies, and replace them with one-party authoritariaan socialist governments.
And this is their chosen weapon.

Even as the Democrat/Left deceitfully mischaracterize all visibly peaceful free speech of conservatives as "inciting violence".
With delicious irony, they simultaneously relentlessly incite violence against conservatives, as I've quoted and shown video clips of from : Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, Ayanna Pressley, Cory Booker, Elizabeth "Pocaahantas" Warren, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Maxine Waters, on and on.

Several Antifa activists a year ago shot up Border Patrol and ICE agent bases, and were verbatim screaming A O-C's rhetoric at the agents they were trying to kill as they unleashed IED's and AK-47 fire.
A O-C --of course !-- had no comment and refused to answer questions about it.
But of course, very few in the media (who are all radicalized leftists themselves) would even venture to ask her about her responsibility for those Antifa/BLM attacks.

Liberal pundits and reporters in broadcast and print news media are just another front in the Bolshevik-Left's closing pincer movement. And of course, that rationalization for their violence against conservatives is the mindset among all followers of Black Lives Matter, and Antifa.
In their mindset, conservatives are so detestable and evil that you don't try to reason with them, you just punch them in the face and beat them down. You shout them down, you silence them,. You kill them. (See any number of Project Veritas videos.)
And many more: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=project+veritas+campaign+

And the Democrat-Bolshevik party at its center and core is completely on board with that.
KAMALA HARRIS: "They're not stopping before election day, they're not going to stop after. They will not stop, and they shouldn't stop."
She added even more emphasis by donating money to a fund to bail Antifa/BLM violent rioters immediately out of jail, so they could commit even more violence, arson and looting.
Likewise police and military are rationalized to be justified targets of violence and Molotov cocktails from BLM and Antifa.

Or as Tucker Carlson terms it "conservatives' free speech is violence, but see their own ACTUAL VIOLENCE as free speech".

I noticed even Fox News in their coverage just followed the mainstream media rhetoric, and completely ignored how the judge excluded exculpatory evidence for Jones, and permitted irrelevant and incendiary anecdotes and testimony that prejudiced the jury verdict. The question isn't whether Jones is a likeable guy, the question is whether Jones is guilty, or was railroaded in an unfair trial.

This lawyer was the only one I saw make a case for Jones' innocence, and the increasing Orwellian corruption of our legal system.

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Now, just hear me out...what if the lawyer in the video is just off the mark by a mile?

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The entire deplatforming concept is weird. Twitter is still filled with pro-Trump voices. It as only Trump himself who got banned. Fox and its affiliates are still out there blasting away. And now you have Truth. Where is the deplatforming?

On a slight tangent, I have not spent any time at all in rural America, but I imagine that most of the ideological discussion in such places do not take place on Facebook or whatever. They take place in newspapers and local media, and churches.

"The globalist/socialist Left is making a full-court press in nations worldwide to overthrow democracies, and replace them with one-party authoritariaan socialist governments."

OK, this is weird. Where has this happened?


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Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
The entire deplatforming concept is weird. Twitter is still filled with pro-Trump voices. It as only Trump himself who got banned. Fox and its affiliates are still out there blasting away. And now you have Truth. Where is the deplatforming?

On a slight tangent, I have not spent any time at all in rural America, but I imagine that most of the ideological discussion in such places do not take place on Facebook or whatever. They take place in newspapers and local media, and churches.

"The globalist/socialist Left is making a full-court press in nations worldwide to overthrow democracies, and replace them with one-party authoritarian socialist governments."

OK, this is weird. Where has this happened?

Uh.... I thought I just gave a long list of nations that has happened to.

Canada most alarmingly springs to mind, with its Covid lockdowns, and freezing of bank accounts of dissenting political protesters.
Have you not seen the protests in the Netherlands in the last few weeks, where the government there is trying to crush family farmers and drive them bankrupt? They are protesting to save their lives.
Venezuela went hardcore Marxist roughly 20 years ago. Previously the most oil-rich nation in Latin America, with the highest per capita income. Now reduced to eating out of garbage cans, they are so improverished by their marxist government.

Argentina has gone Marxist/Left.
Brazil is fighting for its life against a pending Marxist takeover as well. and If the Marxists win, they will likely imprison those of the current Bolsanaro administration, and create a permanent leftist state, so that they never lose another Brazilian election. The same as the Democrats are trying to do in the U.S.

I already linked details in another topic about Australia taking away guns, and also using excessive police force against Australians just peacefully protesting against Covid-19 lockdowns and vaccine mandates they dissent from. And how in at least one case, they imprisoned a protester in a psych ward. Not for any crime, but just for disagreeing with Australian federal policy. Now, that obviously isn't happening in every state of Australia, but it should disturb your own sense of freedom that it is happening anywhere in Australia. It has terrified me for the last 2 years what Democrat lunatic governors have done in New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and California. And even though I'm currently safe in Florida, I know they would do the same instantly if a Democrat were to become governor of Florida. Look up the name Andrew Gillum, and see the bullet we dodged in 2018, we are so lucky to have Ron DeSantis, the best of the 50 U.S. state governors. And the corruption could easily have won in Florida too in 2018, several corrupt elections supervisors in Dade and Broward counties have been fired, only to have the next be just as corrupt and try to pull the same thing. They certainly did their damnedest to rig that Florida election.


Similar protests have been violently put down in multiple countries of Europe. Protesting the same kind of marxist/socialist/authoritarian over-reach by European governments, trying to use Covid lockdowns and mandates to advance their authoritarian collectivist dreams.

I understand that in Austria, you cannot work or go outside unless you'e received Covid vaccination. And that's after in nations worldwide, the vaccines and boosters have been proven to not be effective in either preventing the Covid virus or eliminating spread of the virus.

Likewise, at least 40,000 U.S. soldiers, some of the best trained, brightest and best, have been forced out of the military, even dishonorably discharged, for being unwilling to receive Covid vaccination. The NIH and CDC yesterday ended all mandates. But no discussion of giving these people back their jobs. Or jobs back to the doctors, nurses, pilots, defense contractors, and other private-sector employees who also refused the mandate for a now proven ineffective and unsafe vaccine. Millions of jobs and lives destroyed and diminished. Triggering loss of income that caused millions of home foreclosures.
All to advance a Marxist/socialist revolution in these nations, under the guise of protecting these nations from Covid. When the real goal all along was the revolution itself, not the medical emergency of the pandemic. The pandemic was just the pretense. And when that pretense has proven to be scientifically unsound, there is no attempt to undo the damage and help the people hurt by those policies. The revolution itself was the goal, and they hurt and displaced their political opposition as planned, exactly who they wanted to, never mind that the narrative for it all has collapsed.


Regarding the internet, I have always disliked Facebook and Twitter, but most politically active people I know use them. It is further intertwined in their often having businesses that are also on Facebook and Twitter, or Youtube and so forth. Some who have been de-platformed for political reasons, have lost their ability to continue their online businesses as well. I've also seen professional or amateur journalists, who had all their articles on their user pages, suddenly lose all their past work as well.
It's very arbitrary and unfair, and cancellation almost never has any explanation, other than a vague "you've violated our terms of service", which could be twisted to maliciously target any conservative speech they don't like.



As I've raised in topics on media bias for years, the news media (that I first learned of from 30-year CBS reporter Bernard Goldberg's 2002 book on the subject, BIAS) polls for 50 years consistently show 80% of media reporters nationwide self-identify as either "liberal" or "very liberal".
https://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101-what-journalists-really-think-and-what-public-thinks-about-them
(And 93%, among the most influential Washington DC based reporters.) https://ricochet.com/88333/political-views-of-journalists-my-feud-with-eric-alterman-part-2/
So there is a long-standing liberal media bias, in the U.S., and no doubt even more so outside the U.S.
Both G-man and I have posted stuff about the unapologetic bias of the BBC and other British news, about the coverage of the Iraq War, the W. Bush and Trump administrations, and so forth.
Back in 2004, then-still-respected Charlie Rose interviewed a Bush policy advisor named Robert Kagan, asking him "Why is there no popular support for the U.S. in Europe regarding the Iraq War?"
To which Kagan responded "Because nowhere in the European media is there a pro-American perspective voiced."

At least in the U.S., while 80% liberal, there is still about 20% of the media who, while a minority, at least voice an opposing conservative point of view.


And among the U.S. mainstream media (as cited by Bernard Goldberg in his book in 2001), in recent years that liberal-bias ratio has probably risen to over 90%. And anyone who actually identified as a conservative in a typical newsroom would find themselves fired, or at least their advancement opportunities destroyed.
Likewise among those working in Hollywood movies and television.
Likewise among University academics. As early as 2015, I had a client who worked locally as a university administrator, who told me that he was afraid to post his actual political opinions on Facebook and Twitter, because his co-workers would see it, and they were so universally Left that it would either get him ostracized or fired. That was long before the rise of Black Lives Matter, Antifa, or the terms "woke", or "de-platform".

De-platforming isn't depriving someone of having any ability to voice politically dissenting views whatsoever, it is depriving of them of the ability to have a large mainstream audience for their views, to the point that they could persuade a large enough group to actually make a political difference. It's depriving conservatives of the ability to speak publicly at university appearances or booksignings (at least without being threatened), or reaching a large audience or Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and other social media.
And even though places like Rumble or Truthsocial still exist, at present they reach a tiny fraction of Facebook and other well-established forums do. Although Facebook and Twitter's obvious bias has clearly lost them market share, to the point that Facebook has tried re-branding as "Meta", and Twitter was almost bought out by Elon Musk, and the battle over that just further exposed Twitter's bias, the hissy-fit its tech employees had about Musk potentially forcing them as an employer to be more unbiased, and also exposing that half their accounts are fake "twitter-bots."
I've often wondered if Musk was ever serious about actually purchasing Twitter, or if he did it just to expose the corruption within Twitter, both political and financial.

And to be clear, It's not just Donald Trump who was cancelled from Facebook and Twitter, there are literally millions of others who have either been shadow-banned, or had their accounts deleted entirely, just for posting pro-conservative/pro-Trump points of view and information.
Literally EVERY conservative Republican and Freedom-Caucus member has either been shadow-banned or completely banned, some only getting their accounts re-opened because of the public pressure they put on Twitter. Rep Jim Jordan, Rep. Jim Banks, Sen. Tom Cotton, Sen. Josh Hawley, Sen. Ted Cruz, to name just a few.

I detailed back in July 2019 how my user-account on Youtube was deleted, for no logical reason. All I posted were links to sources to back up what I was saying. And I think that's the core of it: If you're a conservative and you just hurl insults back and forth, nyah-nyah-nyah you're a Democrat liberal poopy-face, they still let you post. But if you provide sourced facts and information that can persuade others to the conservative perspective, then they want to cancel and de-platform you.

I also posted a link to the lawsuit by OAN against Direct TV and its parent company A T & T, that makes very clear they not only cancelled/de-platformed One America News, but that they sourced clearly and in writing how people in these companies and in other outside Soros-funded groups, many of whom now have appointed seats of power in the FCC, have clearly stated the goal of similarly de-platforming Fox News and Newsmax as well. Power that they now have, to actually do.
https://www.oann.com/wp-content/upl...cTV_and_ATT_Chairman_William_Kennard.pdf

Are you aware also, that even writers and editors at smaller conservative print media and websites, such as DailyCaller, AmericanConservative, National Review, Townhall.com, AmericanGreatness, RevolverNews, Breitbart.com and other sites, are basically algorithm'd out of search engines?
I've seen editors and writers of all these sites interviewed on Fox and Newsmax to talk about how in the year leading up to the 2020 election, they previously all got like 50,000 or so visitors monthly to their websites that were directed from word searches. But now that new traffic has dropped to zero. It is shrinking their audience by abuse of tech media. And it is costing them market share and viewers and advertising revenue. And they can survive maybe a few years, but it is gradually killing them.

Also, regarding any show on Fox News, there are radical leftist groups monitoring every conservative program, particularly those on Fox as the largest and most influential, Leftist groups that wage daily campaigns to slander and twist Fox' actual message out of context (MediaMatters, and MoveOn, to name two). They organize campaigns to contact Fox to demand these programs taken off the air.
They further go after the advertisers on Fox, and try to force programs off the air by depriving them of advertisers. That's what finally caused Fox to take Bill O'Reilly off the air. And they would love to do the same to Carlson, Hannity and Ingraham. They make daily efforts to do so.
That's another line of de-platforming. And intimidation.




Even with Fox and the other conservative news still on cable, the Democrat/Left still dominates broadcast television, and print media, and Hollywood.
And the universities and schools. And the music industry. And social media. And tech media. And search engines.

Add to that the power of government, with a DOJ, FBI, CIA, State Department, and now even the military that have been hijacked and weaponized as another tool to crush and silence conservative America.
Did you see the new spending bill rammed through last week with a 50/50 Senate vote, that a clueless Biden signed into law today? It has a stated environmental purpose, but buried in it is a provision to hire 87,000 new IRS agents to audit Americans. (The entire IRS till now was 78,000 agents, so this more than doubles the number of IRS auditors.) By comparison, tht is five times the size of the entire U.S. border partrol. That would make the IRS larger than of multiple U.S. law enforcement agencies combined.
For wwhat purpose? Except to harass and intimidate political opponents.

And the IRS,like the other above agencies, was already a pretty much 100% Democrat organization, already used to audit and harass Republicans, consistently.
From the days of FDR where he used it to destroy political opponents.
Up through JFK and LBJ.
Up through the Clinton years where folks like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh began enduring annual politically motivated audits,.
Up through the Obama years, when Lois Lerner and Koskinin IRS that met hundreds of times with Obama's White House to strategize targeting of Tea Party and religious conservative groups, to arguably rig the 2012 election. The WSJ editorial page said this after the 2012 election, not just me.

And now under Biden, an already Democrat-owned and weaponized IRS has full license to unleash terror on millions of Americans.

The Democrats are moving beyond "de-platforming" of their Republican opposition, and now going for a political death-blow to the head.

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Originally Posted by iggy
Now, just hear me out...what if the lawyer in the video is just off the mark by a mile?

What if he's not?
He cited plenty of examples from the case, detailed how the Alex Jones trial diverged from the rules of evidence of a normal trial, and from normal rules of exculpatory evidence.

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So...I clicked on that Rumble video long enough to find out that your great source for how Jones is getting railroaded is his ::checks notes:: defense attorney for the fucking trial. What the fuck do you think he's going to say, man?!?

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Originally Posted by iggy
So...I clicked on that Rumble video long enough to find out that your great source for how Jones is getting railroaded is his ::checks notes:: defense attorney for the fucking trial. What the fuck do you think he's going to say, man?!?


He made legal arguments for how the rules of evidence have been abused by the judge, how the judge excluded exculpatory evidence of Alex Jones' innocence, and how the judge allowed prejudicial and irrelevant testimony to be entered.

The only reason the judge is getting away with this is because the defendant is a widely scorned Alex Jones.
But if they get away with it, these unlawful tactics will be repeated on many others. We've already increasingly seen this in trials by the FBI against Sen. Ted Stevens, Enron and Arthur Anderson executives, Martha Stewart, Scooter Libby, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michaael Flynn, George Pappadapoulos, Michael Caputo, Carter Page, Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, Mark Cohen, on and on.
There's a difference between a lawful trial and a shakedown.

The worst was the Roger Stone case, where the FBI was going to drop the case, it was so egregious in its abuse. But the judge kept the case open and convicted Stone anyway! Kept a jury that was loaded with Democrat partisans, kept a jury foreperson who was rabid in her Facebook and Twitter posts about her hatred for both Roger Stone and Donald Trump, that eliminated any possible mistake she was a neutral juror, and in fact should have been up on charges herself for PRETENDING to be neutral to get on the jury to convict Stone. But she was instead allowed to remain foreperson and convict Stone anyway!

It's one thing to convict Alex Jones, or anyone based on an unquestionably fair trial. IF it were fair. But this was clearly not the case. I've lost a lot of faith in our judicial system over the last 20 years, particularly in the last 5.

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Or, you know...he just said shit a defense attorney/spokesman would say.

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Actually, he cited the law, and specifics of the case.
And what normal procedures of evidence and exculpatory facts are, and how they were illegally violated in the Alex Jones case.

It's right there on video above, for anyone to watch.


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