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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
We all know why Powell endorsed him.


Tell me...

and call Powell a liar while you're at it since he gave a long and detailed indictment of McCain as to why he's voting Obama.

But of course you didn't hear any of that huh?


You were looking at something else....

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....call Powell a liar ....


Um, the way that you guys did when told the UN that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?

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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts

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he wants to tax businesses that make a good sized profit. not tax them into oblivion, just a fair share.


So you think if a company is taxed an extra $50k, the owner will say to his wife, "Honey we have to make due with a little less this year." Or do you think they will slow raises, reduce 401k contributions, slow hiring, ect to make sure that they still live the same lifestyle theyve been living?

now be honest Ray, not partisan.

which is why minimum wage and health benefits are important to safeguard workers. you only say an extra 50k, but that much tax means high profits and paying a fair share.
if the employee is denied a raise because of the taxes then they can either show how valuable they are by going to a new job that will pay them better leaving the boss with the lesser employees who will accept lower wages until he is ready to pay fairer wages.

Mccain basically wants to give breaks to corporations making billions of dollars in hopes that they'll do the right thing and hire people and give raises when realistically they'll give those jobs to Indians in India and give themselves nice annual bonuses.


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It's different now g-man! he is following the Obamassiah!

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
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....call Powell a liar ....


Um, the way that you guys did when told the UN that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?

Powell has shown some integrity and redemption when he admitted that he made a mistake.


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 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
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he wants to tax businesses that make a good sized profit. not tax them into oblivion, just a fair share.


So you think if a company is taxed an extra $50k, the owner will say to his wife, "Honey we have to make due with a little less this year." Or do you think they will slow raises, reduce 401k contributions, slow hiring, ect to make sure that they still live the same lifestyle theyve been living?

now be honest Ray, not partisan.

which is why minimum wage and health benefits are important to safeguard workers. you only say an extra 50k, but that much tax means high profits and paying a fair share.
if the employee is denied a raise because of the taxes then they can either show how valuable they are by going to a new job that will pay them better leaving the boss with the lesser employees who will accept lower wages until he is ready to pay fairer wages.



um it wont be one employer that pays more, it will be all of them, they will all slow raises, slow hiring, decrease 401k. the owner is not going to cancel his vacation. how can you be so obtuse?

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
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....call Powell a liar ....


Um, the way that you guys did when told the UN that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?


Well that was a lie. and Powell himself said so.

next.

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....call Powell a liar ....


Um, the way that you guys did when told the UN that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?

Powell has shown some integrity and redemption when he admitted that he made a mistake.


So Bush and Cheney haven't earned it for admitting they made mistakes? That's right Bush endorsed McCain!

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....call Powell a liar ....


Um, the way that you guys did when told the UN that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?


Well that was a lie. and Powell himself said so.

next.


So Powell is a liar.

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your argument is that employers are assholes so we shouldn't tax them in the hopes that they'll be nice.


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And your argument is that people are losing jobs so we should make it more expensive for employers to hire them?

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 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man

your argument is that employers are assholes so we shouldn't tax them in the hopes that they'll be nice.


No yours is they are greedy and don't pass along the money, so if we take more they'll decide to take a cut. Genius!

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bsams, did you drive on a road at any point in your life?
ever need the police?
ever need the fire department?
ever go to a public park?
or a national park?
ever needed medical aid when you didn't have insurance?
ever use public transportation and pay only $1.50 when the actual cost to ride should be two to four times as much?
go to public school or community/state college?
ever gotten a vaccine?
take a book out of the library?

if you answered yes to any of those questions then you have no right to bitch about taxes. that's what they pay for. and since you've said you get a few hundrer more back thanks to the tax cuts then you obviously don't make $250,000 a year. under Obama's plan you won't be effected.


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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
And your argument is that people are losing jobs so we should make it more expensive for employers to hire them?

how exactly can a company maintain profits with a depleted workforce? employers will always hire the employees they need. successful businesses pay something back to society which helps others rise up and helps society as a whole.
the real tax money will come from undoing bush's cuts for the wealthiest 1% who pay nowhere near their fair share.
john mccain in 2000 agreed that people need to pay something back.


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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
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your argument is that employers are assholes so we shouldn't tax them in the hopes that they'll be nice.


No yours is they are greedy and don't pass along the money, so if we take more they'll decide to take a cut. Genius!

no, you're the one who said that an employer would choose a vacation over paying a fair wage.


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 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
bsams, did you drive on a road at any point in your life?
ever need the police?
ever need the fire department?
ever go to a public park?
or a national park?
ever needed medical aid when you didn't have insurance?
ever use public transportation and pay only $1.50 when the actual cost to ride should be two to four times as much?
go to public school or community/state college?
ever gotten a vaccine?
take a book out of the library?

if you answered yes to any of those questions then you have no right to bitch about taxes. that's what they pay for. and since you've said you get a few hundrer more back thanks to the tax cuts then you obviously don't make $250,000 a year. under Obama's plan you won't be effected.



I'm not complaining about taxes, I'm talking about making an already tight job market worse. If you raise business costs across the board, there will be cost cutting across the board.

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And your argument is that people are losing jobs so we should make it more expensive for employers to hire them?

how exactly can a company maintain profits with a depleted workforce?


Exactly! Increasing costs and forcing cuts by employers will eventually destroy all economic activity in the US! We agree!

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The Stink in Farts Controls Blood Pressure

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A smelly rotten-egg gas in farts controls blood pressure in mice, a new study finds.

The unpleasant aroma of the gas, called hydrogen sulfide (H2S), can be a little too familiar, as it is expelled by bacteria living in the human colon and eventually makes its way, well, out.

The new research found that cells lining mice's blood vessels naturally make the gas and this action can help keep the rodents' blood pressure low by relaxing the blood vessels to prevent hypertension (high blood pressure). This gas is "no doubt" produced in cells lining human blood vessels too, the researchers said.

"Now that we know hydrogen sulfide's role in regulating blood pressure, it may be possible to design drug therapies that enhance its formation as an alternative to the current methods of treatment for hypertension," said Johns Hopkins neuroscientist Solomon H. Snyder, M.D., a co-author of the study detailed in the Oct. 24th issue of the journal Science.

Snyder and his colleagues compared normal mice to mice that were missing a gene for an enzyme known as CSE, long suspected as being responsible for making hydrogen sulfide. As they measured hydrogen sulfide levels taken from tissues of the CSE-deficient mice, the scientists found that the gas was depleted in the cardiovascular systems of the altered mice. By contrast, normal mice had higher levels of the gas, thereby showing that hydrogen sulfide is naturally made by mammalian tissues using CSE.

Next, the mice were subjected to higher blood pressures comparable to serious hypertension in humans. Scientists had them respond to a chemical called methacholine that relaxes normal blood vessels. The blood vessels of the CSE-lacking mice hardly relaxed, indicating that hydrogen sulfide is a huge contender for regulating blood pressure.

Hydrogen sulfide is the most recently discovered member of a family of gasotransmitters, small molecules inside our bodies with important physiological functions.

This study is the first to reveal that the CSE enzyme that triggers hydrogen sulfide is activated itself in the same way as other enzymes when they trigger their respective gasotransmitter, such as a nitric oxide-forming enzyme that also regulates blood pressure, Dr. Snyder said.

Because gasotransmitters are common in mammals all over the evolutionary tree, these findings on the importance of hydrogen sulfide are thought to have broad applications to human diseases, such as diabetes and neurodegenerative diseases.

The research was supported by grants from the U.S. Public Health Service and the Canadian Institutes of Health Research as well as a Research Scientist Award.



Well it looks like Obama is even influencing scientists now. Higher taxes are good for America, as well as stinky farts.

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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
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And your argument is that people are losing jobs so we should make it more expensive for employers to hire them?

how exactly can a company maintain profits with a depleted workforce?


Exactly! Increasing costs and forcing cuts by employers will eventually destroy all economic activity in the US! We agree!

because Canada and England are wastelands not surpassing us.


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 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
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And your argument is that people are losing jobs so we should make it more expensive for employers to hire them?

how exactly can a company maintain profits with a depleted workforce? employers will always hire the employees they need. successful businesses pay something back to society which helps others rise up and helps society as a whole.


Other than moving jobs overseas or automating processes to eliminate costs?

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the real tax money will come from undoing bush's cuts for the wealthiest 1% who pay nowhere near their fair share.


That's not actually true, but you're entitled to your opinion I guess.

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I'll take your tired fear tactics and raise them with some American pop culture icons.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d

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That has got to be the BEST CAMPAIGN AD EVER!!!!

Wow. How can McCain compete with America's dad and The Fonz??!!

Ever get the feeling history itself is against you?

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How very retarded. Thank you.

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November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
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How very retarded. Thank you.


this was pretty funny. and occasionally embarrassing. but still, pretty funny overall. there wasn't much message in it, though, other than a funny few moments that show beloved characters (and actors?) that want to vote a certain way. if the goal was to get someone to vote for obama, they didn't offer any reasoning other than they are also probably voting for obama... which i think is a sizable missed opportunity.


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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
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And your argument is that people are losing jobs so we should make it more expensive for employers to hire them?

how exactly can a company maintain profits with a depleted workforce? employers will always hire the employees they need. successful businesses pay something back to society which helps others rise up and helps society as a whole.


Other than moving jobs overseas or automating processes to eliminate costs?

which they do anyway. only with the bush/mccain tax plan the companies make higher profits for cutting jobs and there's not enough funding for the job placement programs to help the terminated employees.

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the real tax money will come from undoing bush's cuts for the wealthiest 1% who pay nowhere near their fair share.


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That's not actually true, but you're entitled to your opinion I guess.


cheerleaders like you have helped support bush while he ran up the record debt and deficit and your "government is evil, let's deregulate" rhetoric has helped create the current financial mess.
and let's not forget Iraq.

but, yeah, question my judgement.


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I'll take your tired fear tactics and raise them with some American pop culture icons.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d

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That has got to be the BEST CAMPAIGN AD EVER!!!!

Wow. How can McCain compete with America's dad and The Fonz??!!

Ever get the feeling history itself is against you?

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Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, spoke out against this abuse. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.

The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.

"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.

Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.

Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.

On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.

Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.

The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.

The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.

Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.



Imagine when Obama has access to all the government computers. See you in Montana PJP....

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A local Orlando TV station interviewed Joe Biden recently(yesterday?), this anchor nails Biden on Obama's socialist views, Biden gives the standard cookie cutter answers, but she knocks him out of the water. I read that today Obama's campaign has blacklisted the station:




It's nice to see true journalism again.

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Biden Grilling Too Well Done? Obama campaign pulls the plug on all interviews with Florida TV station after Biden is asked critical questions.

The Obamacrats can't handle their VP nominee getting anything but softball questions so they put him in hiding.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
Biden Grilling Too Well Done? Obama campaign pulls the plug on all interviews with Florida TV station after Biden is asked critical questions.

The Obamacrats can't handle their VP nominee getting anything but softball questions so they put him in hiding.


The only interview that was cancelled was one with Biden's wife. Unlike Palen, Biden's wife isn't on the ticket.


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Sorry MEM but all interviews were canceled. But for the sake of argument, why was Biden's wife scheduled to do an interview if she wasn't part of the campaign?

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Welcome back Jason!

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Biden Grilling Too Well Done? Obama campaign pulls the plug on all interviews with Florida TV station after Biden is asked critical questions.

The Obamacrats can't handle their VP nominee getting anything but softball questions so they put him in hiding.


The only interview that was cancelled was one with Biden's wife. Unlike Palen, Biden's wife isn't on the ticket.
It is pathetic that you would defend that. Wake up.

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Sorry MEM but all interviews were canceled. But for the sake of argument, why was Biden's wife scheduled to do an interview if she wasn't part of the campaign?


Reread what I said BSAMS. I said she wasn't part of the ticket. It would be like saying Palin's husband isn't part of the ticket.

It was also the only cancellation. What other interviews that were scheduled were cancelled.


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[quote=Matter-eater Man]It is pathetic that you would defend that. Wake up.


Should Obama's campaign handle Biden's wife more like McCain's campaign handles Palin & simply not have hardly any interviews? Please do clarify.


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[quote=Matter-eater Man]It is pathetic that you would defend that. Wake up.


Should Obama's campaign handle Biden's wife more like McCain's campaign handles Palin & simply not have hardly any interviews? Please do clarify.
Did you see the clip? Biden was pissed off that somebody would dare ask him anything other than softball type questions. At least when Barack went on O'Reilly he took all the questions very well and handled himself very well. I hope I'm wrong but these guys look like they are going to stifle any opposition or criticism.

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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Reread what I said BSAMS. I said she wasn't part of the ticket. It would be like saying Palin's husband isn't part of the ticket.

It was also the only cancellation. What other interviews that were scheduled were cancelled.


Everyone from the Obama campaign has been forbidden to do interviews with the station.

Learn to read.

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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Reread what I said BSAMS. I said she wasn't part of the ticket. It would be like saying Palin's husband isn't part of the ticket.

It was also the only cancellation. What other interviews that were scheduled were cancelled.


Everyone from the Obama campaign has been forbidden to do interviews with the station.

I can't read.


My point was that no other interviews were cancelled contary to what has been claimed.


Fair play!
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