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 Originally Posted By: 655321
nothing is wrong with ayers. he's currently not engaged in bombing.


And Charlie Manson is currently not engaged in ritual murder. What's your point?

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G-man I was 8 years old when Manson ad those people killed, it's all water under the bridge....

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I, too, was also 8 years old when Manson released "Beautiful People"

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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
Why is it that Ayers' past acts are no longer important simply because he's no longer bombing stuff? Should I be allowed to handle an elementary classroom if I molested kids in the past, just because I'm not doing it anymore? And then there's the fact that I'm not repentant about it. Molesting kids is awesome.
umm, how does that make sense? is he around bomb related items? he hasn't been put in charge of an arsenal. srsly, ur analogy is retarded.

are you saying that anyone, not just ayers, who feels that US govt employees and buildings are legitimate targets, should be locked up forever? as long as he is no longer acting out his beliefs, what does it matter what they are? frankly, i wouldn't care if someone did act out those beliefs but that's neither here nor there.


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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
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nothing is wrong with ayers. he's currently not engaged in bombing.


And Charlie Manson is currently not engaged in ritual murder. What's your point?
that regardless of what a person's ideology is, if they are not ACTING it out, they should be allowed to hold those views. and as far as i'm concerned if the ideology is to bring about the destruction of ANY govt, acting it out is necessary.

ppl are all pissy because he's not sorry. so what if he's not sorry? his views are just that - views. they aren't actions, he's not bombing shit and he's not plotting to. manson is in prison for crimes he committed. his targets were private ppl not govt buildings and employees. you have no point.


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 Originally Posted By: 655321
that regardless of what a person's ideology is, if they are not ACTING it out, they should be allowed to hold those views.


Sweetie. No one's said otherwise.

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ppl are all pissy because he's not sorry. so what if he's not sorry?


Well cupcake, that would reinforce a reasonable person's efforts not to associate with him.

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manson is in prison for crimes he committed.


And Ayers isn't, sweetheart.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
Writing in the New York Daily News, John M. Murtagh recounts how Ayers' Weathermen tried to murder his family:
  • During the April 16 debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, moderator George Stephanopoulos brought up “a gentleman named William Ayers,” who “was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that.” Stephanopoulos then asked Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers. Obama’s answer: “The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.” Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me.

    In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.

    I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.

    For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.

    Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family’s life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife, promised more bombings.

    As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”

    Though never a supporter of Obama, I admired him for a time for his ability to engage our imaginations, and especially for his ability to inspire the young once again to embrace the political system. Yet his myopia in the last few months has cast a new light on his “politics of change.” Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends’ and supporters’ violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama’s own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation.

    At the conclusion of his 2001 Times interview, Ayers said of his upbringing and subsequent radicalization: “I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire.”

    Funny thing, Bill: one night, so did I.


meanwhile an 8 year old Obama was playing on a swingset oblivious to any of this. years later he met the man when they worked on a comittee overseeing education in Chicago. Ayers was at the time a college proffessor in good standing and they had a friendly working relationship.
In fact William C. Ibershof, the lead federal prosecutor of the Weather Underground case noted, "I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child."

On the other hand, following G-man's persistant guilt by association charges we have to talk about Sarah Palin's HUSBAND (who she hopefully has met more than a few dozen times) was a member of a group that wanted to break away from the US. A group founded by a man who said the fires of hell paled in comparison to his hot raging hatred for America. Or there's that video of Sarah Palin being blessed by a priest who lead a literal witch hunt against a woman in an African village.
Or the other thousand bad acts and connections in McPalin's past.

G-man, why don't you just admit it's over and relax the attacks before you dig yourself deeper. These aren't even valid attacks. It makes your side look pathetic.
Mccain fucked up the campaign by selling out and going back on many of his longstanding views and principles. He fucked up by picking Palin, who is little more than a massive liability. He fucked up by suspending his campaign and then still campaigning. He fucked up in so many ways, mostly by supporting Bush so much over the years. That quote about voting with Bush 90% of the time didn't come from Obama originally, it came from Mccain last year.

It's like that DS9 episode where Worf is whining about Gowron sacrificing soldiers to make a political rival look bad and Ezri says that maybe the Klingons deserve to be wiped out because while they preach honor they're willing to abide corruption at the highest levels of their government to avoid scandal. It's an apt analogy. Your party has propped up a bad president for 8 years, probably the worst president in history. You supported him while his administration acted shady and corrupt in the name of party unity, but now that party unity has dragged all of you down along with Bush.


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 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man


It's like that DS9 episode where Worf is whining about Gowron sacrificing soldiers to make a political rival look bad and Ezri says that maybe the Klingons deserve to be wiped out because while they preach honor they're willing to abide corruption at the highest levels of their government to avoid scandal. It's an apt analogy. Your party has propped up a bad president for 8 years, probably the worst president in history. You supported him while his administration acted shady and corrupt in the name of party unity, but now that party unity has dragged all of you down along with Bush.


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quick, ask him about cats!

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Obama is a socialist.


So is McCain.

and what exactly is wrong with some socialist ideas? shouldn't the best ideas be the ones that are used? capitalism should not be adhered to like some fundamental idealogy. we should adapt and change to meet the modern world not some conservative pipe dream of a non-existant 1950's type world where everyone gets rich because the rich are nice people who want to trickle down their wealth. the world is too large and business is too large for a straight free market.
The problem with this country is that we want all sorts of goodies without paying for it. If I had free healthcare, great schools, clean streets, well funded police and fire, excellent parks, and the guarantee of work then I wouldn't mind some higher taxes. We act like children but the reality of the world is that things cost money. If you look at the countries that have adopted some socialist ideas and worked them into the system like canada and england the people still have money for the toys and fun things in life but also have an overall higher quality of life.

of course since i don't make $250,000 a year i'm not too worried about Obama's tax plan. in fact the working class people like me will be better off.


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I would love to have a discussion about the dangers and evils of socialism but we all know that you're too emotional and too dense for that.


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 Originally Posted By: rex
I would love to have a discussion about the dangers and evils of socialism but we all know that you're too emotional and too dense for that.

no, let's talk about. we'll go for a bike ride and have a nice talk.

oh, wait.



btw "i would talk about but you won't listen" is internet slang for "i want to put you down without addressing your points or making any of my own."


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Oh yeah, I should have added you believe all the things g-man has said about me.

I think the saddest part of all of this is you are now and will always be his bitch. Everyone else knows he's just as worthless as you.


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rex, i think the saddest part is that no one here at all likes you or has anything nice to say about you. you come to a place where you are mocked and disliked across the board and gripe about everything, especially things others are enjoying.
if i'm wrong and you can point out someone who likes you or threads where you've been positive about anything please do so.


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 Originally Posted By: rex
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It's like that DS9 episode where Worf is whining about Gowron sacrificing soldiers to make a political rival look bad and Ezri says that maybe the Klingons deserve to be wiped out because while they preach honor they're willing to abide corruption at the highest levels of their government to avoid scandal. It's an apt analogy. Your party has propped up a bad president for 8 years, probably the worst president in history. You supported him while his administration acted shady and corrupt in the name of party unity, but now that party unity has dragged all of you down along with Bush.


Holy shit! adler died and came back as beardguy!

beardguy was a nice guy, i liked talking to him. and i've always made star trek references and have been a pretty vocal fan on the star trek threads.


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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
Ray, I would like to know your opinion about cats in general.

used to love cats until i actually lived with one. she was a surly fat cat who-despite being treated very well by me-insisted on peeing all over my home. and it wasn't just oops peeing, she would go out of her way and get on the places i slept and the clothes i wore to pee, never in her own sleeping area. one time i watched as she walked over to the liter box, jumped up on a chair where my jacket was, sniffed around on the jacked, and then let loose. she also started shitting under my bed so that i was driven crazy by the smell but had no clue where i was coming from.
after two years of patient kindness and love i dumped her at the humane society convinced that this was just an evil animal.


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 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
rex, i think the saddest part is that no one here at all likes you or has anything nice to say about you. you come to a place where you are mocked and disliked across the board and gripe about everything, especially things others are enjoying.
if i'm wrong and you can point out someone who likes you or threads where you've been positive about anything please do so.


I forgot about your whole "rex is evil and no one likes him because I said so" campaign.


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i never said, or implied, "evil." kind of strange that you read that.

i see you also failed to point out anyone who likes you and has nice things to say about you.
sad. not evil, sad. the word is sad. you'll probably be hearing that word a lot throughout your life. both in how you are and in how you make others feel.


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Everyone please. Stop. This is a thread about Obama's terrorist ties. Can we please all just get along and talk about the nominees ties to terrorism?

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Sweetie. No one's said otherwise.
hmm, i don't remember accusing anyone here of doing so.

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Well cupcake, that would reinforce a reasonable person's efforts not to associate with him.
no, it wouldn't. to some ppl, that would be punishing him for holding the views he does.

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And Ayers isn't, sweetheart.
cuz the feds dropped the charges against him.\:lol\: maybe you should take it up with them that he's not in prison.


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 Originally Posted By: 655321
hmm, i don't remember accusing anyone here of doing so.


Then why did you say it snookie?

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no, it wouldn't. to some ppl, that would be punishing him for holding the views he does.


It's actually more like protecting yourself, honey. If I choose not to associate with Ayers or Bin Laden, it's for my own sake that I do so.

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cuz the feds dropped the charges against him.\:lol\: maybe you should take it up with them that he's not in prison.


Babes, he was let go on a technicality. He was recognized as being guilty, but they couldn't hold him.

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hmm, i don't remember accusing anyone here of doing so.


Then why did you say it snookie?
umm, i said it cuz i was having a conversation with someone. saying something =/= accusiing.

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no, it wouldn't. to some ppl, that would be punishing him for holding the views he does.


It's actually more like protecting yourself, honey. If I choose not to associate with Ayers or Bin Laden, it's for my own sake that I do so.
wait, so ayers goes around killing ppl he associates with?


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cuz the feds dropped the charges against him.\:lol\: maybe you should take it up with them that he's not in prison.
Babes, he was let go on a technicality. He was recognized as being guilty, but they couldn't hold him.
the point is that he was never found guilty in a court of law. the charges were dropped.


do you believe that someone simply holding the belief that the govt should be destroyed should be in prison? this is about what his ideology is about not what his actions WERE. he's not acting out on his ideology. the fact that he has in the past is irrelevant.


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50% of Voters Believe Ayers Issue Has Hurt McCain Campaign


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Just 28% of voters believe that John McCain’s campaign has been helped by talking about the relationship between Barack Obama and William Ayers. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 50% believe talk of that issue has hurt McCain’s effort while 15% say it has had no impact.



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So 50% of voters think its ok to have a terrorist help someone move up in politics.


I've always said at least 75% of the population is stupid. I'm surprised that number isn't higher.


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"The poll conducted with in two square blocks of Obama's home has a margin of error of +/- %110 due to Nation of Islam and Domestic Terrorists high occupancy rate"

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Actually, this poll doesn't surprise me. It's not that different than the annual polls that say the public doesn't like any negative ads...even though candidates continue to use them because they are effective.

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The O'Reilly Factor tracks down Bill Ayers and asks him if he is ready to apologize for being a terrorist, and he calls the cops on them. Ironic, a few years back he was trying to kill the police now he's crying to them because he got some tough questions:




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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
The O'Reilly Factor tracks down Bill Ayers and asks him if he is ready to apologize for being a terrorist, and he calls the cops on them. Ironic, a few years back he was trying to kill the police now he's crying to them because he got some tough questions:



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Figures you watch that thug. Perchance do you stab your finger in the air to try to look all tough and belligerent as well?

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