Fuck the new Cybermen! Bring back the Cybermen proper!
yeah I'm confused why they haven't brought them back. I liked the parallel universe story and even their return but after that it seems as silly as constantly killing off the daleks only for them to return. The original cyberman should still be hanging about in some form or another at some point in time.
My guess would be marketing and toyline tie-in. From a business perspective, they would want to push a central brand. But, give it time and they will hopefully realize you can milk both cows in this instance...
Yeah I was about a day away from ordering a set just to get McGann. Luckily, I won him and McCoy individually for a reasonable price.
Naturally, I just ordered the 5th Doctor/Master (Ainley) two-pack and the Peter Davison regen figure where he's still got Tom's outfit on. Comes with unraveling scarf! (or a plastic scarf you can "unravel" with scissors. Whatever.)
yeah, they're in the same Previews along with some other stuff.
I don't like the Cybus ones. Better design, but they were jobbers. One Dalek is probably enough to finish them all off.
I've read some comments from people that the Mondas were better monsters (and scared them when they were kids), but I also read that they are weak against gold (like throwing coins at them an shit)? How is that better than the Cybus ones.
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As for the recent appearance, the Cyberman at stonehenge doesn't seem like a cybus one (despite the cybus logo). It has a skull inside and can work without it. That single cyberman was better than the ones I saw back in Tenth's eps.
But still, it would probably job to a Dalek. Now that the Angels are gone, Daleks are still the baddest baddies in the newWhoniverse. Only weakness they have is against plot devices.
The Mondas ones were cool because they had a story that lasted centuries. They felt more like a threat. I enjoyed the first appearances of the Cybus ones because they could actually take over the parallel Earth, and the Torchwood invasion and battle with the Daleks was decent. But the Next Doctor showed how silly it was to keep bringing them back. It was an rtd cliche to utterly defeat a foe but then find out that one slipped away and managed to survive. With the Mondas Cyberman the Doctor could win and then still encounter them at another point in time without a long explanation justifying their existence. I personally think the Cybermen in Pandorica Opens were the Mondas ones with an updated look that matched the Cybus ones.
I don't like the Cybus ones. Better design, but they were jobbers. One Dalek is probably enough to finish them all off.
I've read some comments from people that the Mondas were better monsters (and scared them when they were kids), but I also read that they are weak against gold (like throwing coins at them an shit)? How is that better than the Cybus ones.
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As for the recent appearance, the Cyberman at stonehenge doesn't seem like a cybus one (despite the cybus logo). It has a skull inside and can work without it. That single cyberman was better than the ones I saw back in Tenth's eps.
But still, it would probably job to a Dalek. Now that the Angels are gone, Daleks are still the baddest baddies in the newWhoniverse. Only weakness they have is against plot devices.
The Mondas Cybermen were willing converts. They didn't go around making people Cybermen for one. They enhanced/cyberized some slaves but never did full cyber conversions.
What made them a great villian was that they had no emotions, but they knew how to exploit them.
The Mondas Cybermen were willing converts. They didn't go around making people Cybermen for one. They enhanced/cyberized some slaves but never did full cyber conversions.
Several of their plans were invasions of Earth to turn the population into Cybermen. Tomb of the Cybermen actually surprised me as to how far a 60's kids show would go with that idea when the cyberized that dude's arm.
Mondas Cyberman were basically more clever versions of the Borg who were more manipulative.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
And they were a threat for eons before finally being defeated thanks to a planet of gold. So whenever the Doctor encountered them he'd be at a different point and their threat level and tactics would be radically different.
Pretty much. They went from being an entire planet population to scattered groups across the universe. They were wiped out for the most part when a bunch of species came together and formed an alliance against them using weapons with gold ammo.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Also, The Cybermen were humanoids with cyberized parts, not just human brains in suits of armor. Much more mummy-like and creepier. They were silent in their approach, instead of the stomping march.
Personally, given how the Cyberman was presented in this last finale, I'm thinking Moffat intended that to be a Mondasian, but TPTB/Marketing said "But wait, we have this slick new brand that is licensed out as toys". Thus, what we got...
Personally, given how the Cyberman was presented in this last finale, I'm thinking Moffat intended that to be a Mondasian, but TPTB/Marketing said "But wait, we have this slick new brand that is licensed out as toys". Thus, what we got...
I think they were but it wasn't in the budget to design updated costumes. Parallel universes, parallel designs or whatever.
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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Uncut script reveals classic Doctor Who villain who ALMOST returned Doctor Who's return in 2005 meant more than just a comeback for the Time Lord—a ton of classic villains have returned as well, such as Daleks, Cybermen and, most recently, the Silurians. But one old villain who was intended to return ... DIDN'T. And an unexpurgated draft of a recent script reveals exactly which villain got derailed.
In an interview given to Doctor Who Magazine, Gareth Roberts explained that in earlier drafts of his episode "The Lodger" there "was a different villain at its center." The villain in question was to be Meglos, a sentient, shape-changing (wait for it) cactus, who appeared in a Doctor Who story starring the fourth Doctor, Tom Baker, back in the 1980s.
The four-part story, simply titled "Meglos," was apparently not one of the more fondly remembered Doctor Who episodes.
"I'd been joking about 'Meglos 2' for years," Roberts said, "but when I sat down to write the first draft [of 'The Lodger'] it suddenly seemed right."
The writer also revealed that: "Meglos survived in my script for quite a long while—but then we saw the Vinvocci in 'The End of Time,' and as the rest of the story was more comedic, we decided the 'villain' had to be as scary as possible."
Check out part of an earlier script draft written by Roberts from back when it still included Meglos:
MEGLOS Can it be . . . the Doctor? THE DOCTOR Do I know you?
MEGLOS I am Meglos!
THE DOCTOR Sorry, have we met?
MEGLOS Meglos! Last of the Zolfa Thurans!
THE DOCTOR (no idea) Really sorry. I meet a lot of people.
MEGLOS Remember Tigella, Doctor! The Gaztaks!
THE DOCTOR The what? Remind me ...
With rumors of other past characters possibly coming back for series 6—like the Yeti or even Omega—the trend of bringing back classic characters to Doctor Who certainly won't fade any time soon. And in a way, that's how we like it, no?
Pick up Doctor Who Magazine #423 to read more of Roberts' interview.
I don't know who meglos is, but yeah, i prefer the lodger's ending the way it is. a mysterious tardis is infinitely better than a cactus monster that the doctor considers a joke.
I just finished watching the McGann movie. I liked it, even though it had a very different feel from the TV series, production-wise and story-wise. It felt like it had a bigger budget than the 1st season, but the story doesn't give that "epic" feel. It's like, with the TV eps, you get the feeling that if the doctor failed, the whole of reality will be raped in the ass. With the movie you didn't get that feeling, you don't even get the feeling that the doctor could lose. It's just a popcorn movie.
I didn't hate the 8th doctor, but didn't like him either. He was too bland. But I don't know, maybe it's because one movie is not enough to give him character.
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One thing that didn't sit well with me is the doctor being half human. Is that canon? I hope that got swept under the rug. OUR doctor should be 100% timelord.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Yep, RTD all but stated it outright with Donna's fate at the end of Tennant's run. There cannot be a human/Time Lord hybrid. It's genetically impossible and would burn a human brain right out.
The McGann movie was an American production of Doctor Who. Generally, it's considered that The Doctor himself, the budget, and the TARDIS interior were awesome, while everything else was utter shit.
If you ever wanted more 8th Doctor, McGann reprises the role for five years worth of audio stories from Big Finish (Link), where critics and fans alike have praised him for the role.
It will be a fucking crime if he's never allowed to appear as The Doctor onscreen again...
Oh and just so you know, SoM, the 8th Doctor is the incarnation before Eccleston. So, that would make him The Doctor that fought in The Time War and was probably the one that destroyed Gallifrey...
I just finished watching the McGann movie. I liked it, even though it had a very different feel from the TV series, production-wise and story-wise. It felt like it had a bigger budget than the 1st season, but the story doesn't give that "epic" feel. It's like, with the TV eps, you get the feeling that if the doctor failed, the whole of reality will be raped in the ass. With the movie you didn't get that feeling, you don't even get the feeling that the doctor could lose. It's just a popcorn movie.
It's funny with Who. The show is a perfect example of sci-fi in whatever era it airs in. The 1996 film reminds me of Sliders and all the other mid-90's sci-fi programs shot up there in Vancouver. It was actually the first Who I saw and left little impression on me. I liked the notion of regeneration and the Tardis but it wasn't enough to make me actually check out the many books in the bookstore despite my spending a lot of time browsing the sci-fi section. Watching it now I hate the whole "half human" bit, it was unecessary and I liked the comic retcon that it was a ruse using a half broken chameleon arch. But overall it's watchable, like you said a popcorn movie, and I appreciate the fact we have a 7 to 8 regeneration. That is the one unforgivable part of rtd's run. He never gave us the time war, never showed us mcgann (who is still young enough) regenerating which was heavily rumored to be the focus of one of the specials.
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I didn't hate the 8th doctor, but didn't like him either. He was too bland. But I don't know, maybe it's because one movie is not enough to give him character.
I agree. There was a nice childlike wonder to him but no solid impression. The companion was hot.
Yeah I was about a day away from ordering a set just to get McGann. Luckily, I won him and McCoy individually for a reasonable price.
Naturally, I just ordered the 5th Doctor/Master (Ainley) two-pack and the Peter Davison regen figure where he's still got Tom's outfit on. Comes with unraveling scarf! (or a plastic scarf you can "unravel" with scissors. Whatever.)
No Who figs for a while and then all of a sudden we've had 3 Tardis sets, the 11 Doctor set, Unearthy Child 1st Dr, 5th Dr regen & Master/5th Dr two pack.
I wonder why they didn't pair up the Master with the 4th Doctor - reusing the body from the 5th Dr regen figure?
Finally able to download a copy of the Doctor Who adventure games. Demonoid has one that works on non UK peeps. I finished the first episode (City of The Daleks). It was a very short game, and it only took me an hour or so to play from start to finish (that's including the time it took me to retry everytime I died). If it was a tv episode, it would probably last only 30 mins.
The graphics were good enough. You'll recognize Matt Smith as Matt Smith and Amy is amy. But that's as far as it goes, recognizable. The animation was still subpar (think: cutscenes from the Sims 2). Add the fact that Matt Smith's mannerisms are very hard to capture thru prerendered CGI, much less thru in-game cutscenes using the game engine (which is what the game uses).
Audio is probably the best part of the game. Primarily because the game uses the actors' voices.
The gameplay is not so good. It's playable. But there's very little amount of playing to do as the game is basically just an interactive episode, where you have to perform stealth games and simple minigames to advance the story. Nothing wrong with it. It's good enough to pass the time, you won't be bored because it's so short. And it's a free game.
But, then again, the guy who plays "Chuck" on NBC was supposed to be Fandrall, so who knows...
