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poor Brian. The doctor should have told the Ponds to move to New Jersey and pick them up there after a couple of years.

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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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I saw that ten minutes ago! Asshole! You suck at internet!

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I'm not sure how I'd feel seeing all the old Doctors together, but old and fat.

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We all get that way eventually.


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 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
I'm not sure how I'd feel seeing all the old Doctors together, but old and fat.


And dead.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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YAY!

Is that old guy the secret doctor or the new doctor?


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it's the secret old doctor

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Holy Crap, McGann! They finally tied this loose end. The 8th doctor's regeneration (into the badass that ended the Time War. The credits refer to it as the "war doctor.")

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So...I finally started watching this from the beginning. I used to watch doctor who with my dad growing up. Tom Baker was my doctor. Me and the mrs have really enjoyed the current show. We're all the way caught up and got our tickets for the 3d showing of "day of the doctor" in sf. Looking forward to it.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I'm sticking with the Tardis choosing the Doctor. The Clara thing just didn't work for me. I'll miss River too. What comes next does look interesting though.


Clara is ridiculously hot. Regrettably she wears too many clothes. Whatever happened to the days of the Doctor being accompanied by a fur-clad bikini model?


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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
it's the secret old doctor


It is a shame that Eggleston wouldn't participate in this, as I liked his slightly thuggish rendition of the Doctor. It would have been an interesting contrast to the two newer, nerdier versions.


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I'm hoping Eccleston was just taking everyone for a spin. McGann initially denied having anything to do with the 50th, and publicly stated that he wasn't asked and then he goes and does the prologue.

But then again, McGann is still pretty much connected to Who due to the audio stuff, while Eccleston didn't exactly part on good terms.

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Yeah, BBC threw Eccleston under the bus. He stayed pretty cool about the whole deal and didn't talk them down in the press; so as much as I would have loved for him to be in the special, I completely understand why he won't return.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Bloody Day of the Doctor is on at 3:50AfuckingM my time. Bit under 4 hours away. Think I'll wait for the repeat.


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Just watched it ... Think people will nerdgasm right at the end when the curator appears.

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Goddamn! That's really all I can say right now. That and Nowie's right, for once.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Ditto.

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"Ditto"?!


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Steve Ditto is an American comic book artist and writer best known as the artist and co-creator, with Stan Lee, of the Marvel Comics heroes Spider-Man and Doctor Strange.

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 Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
Just watched it ... Think people will nerdgasm right at the end when the curator appears.

Nowie probably squealed like a little girl.

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That was a good episode. So clever. So epic. So good.


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I squealed like a girl when they showed the bald timelord general. I don't know who he is.

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They did a good job for the special special. The Time War never really made sense to me though. I thought it had always been the case of the Doctor freezing the whole thing and time locking it forever. Was it always the case of Galifrey being blown up?


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It's always been a case of the doctor trapping the entire war in a time lock. One of the key aspects in Moffat's run is that the doctor keeps changing things but on the surface level, it remains the same (e.g. he died on lake silencio as far as anyone is concerned, and he was there, but only inside the tesselecta-something)

I think right now things are status quo at the surface level:

1. people assume that the daleks and the timelords were both wiped out by the doctor
2. the doctors (post-John Hurt and pre-Smith) are still guilty over wiping out the timelords
3. Surviving daleks believe that the doctor wiped them and the timelords out at the same time with some kind of weapon (instead of their crossfire)

...even though the timelords are perfectly fine somewhere out there.

What I don't get about the whole timelock thing is why the doctor is so guilty and why it's referred to as a genocide or a massacre of an entire civilization, even though the series (Tennant's last special and the one where Jack Harkness trapped Torchwood inside one) has already shown what happens inside a timelock and it doesn't look that bad, especially since there's an entire planet inside the timelock.

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Er. This doesn't sound like a stand-alone story. Do I have to watch some old shit from 5 years ago?


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I think it's pretty much a standalone story if you're already familiar with the franchise. But there's a fuckton of references that you'll miss if you're not up to date.

Best bet is to just watch it with low expectations, then read recaps or reviews afterwards just to find out the things you missed.

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Is anyone else disappointed that they didn't continue from the end of the last episode? How did they get out of the Doctors timeline thingy? Also, John Hurt seemed less bad ass and more gtandpa-ish than i liked.

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Hurt's Doctor came off as very William Hartnell. I think the surprise is that though Smith's and Tennant's regenerations hate him so much for what he did; in the end he's still really just the Doctor.


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Its meant to be the same person. But really, it isn't. Its like each incarnation is a facet of the same imcomprehensible entity. Rather that say that is like your foot telling off your elbow, I kind of think the Doctor is more of a hive mind.


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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
It's always been a case of the doctor trapping the entire war in a time lock. One of the key aspects in Moffat's run is that the doctor keeps changing things but on the surface level, it remains the same (e.g. he died on lake silencio as far as anyone is concerned, and he was there, but only inside the tesselecta-something)

I think right now things are status quo at the surface level:

1. people assume that the daleks and the timelords were both wiped out by the doctor
2. the doctors (post-John Hurt and pre-Smith) are still guilty over wiping out the timelords
3. Surviving daleks believe that the doctor wiped them and the timelords out at the same time with some kind of weapon (instead of their crossfire)

...even though the timelords are perfectly fine somewhere out there.

What I don't get about the whole timelock thing is why the doctor is so guilty and why it's referred to as a genocide or a massacre of an entire civilization, even though the series (Tennant's last special and the one where Jack Harkness trapped Torchwood inside one) has already shown what happens inside a timelock and it doesn't look that bad, especially since there's an entire planet inside the timelock.


That's how I thought it was mostly but this special made it sound like some type of destructive bomb to me. A couple of times there were references to burning and counting the children.


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I think the 50th ties into the End of Time. Maybe it did all burn, but this changed it. Therefore instead of burning the timelock is in place to open in The End Of Time.

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The missus enjoyed it despite not being updated on Who (her only background came from watching Blink and Smith's first season) and she still enjoyed the 50th. Apparently, the dialogue did a good job of filling her in (or giving her an idea) on most of the references that she needs to get, like the doctor killing the daleks and the timelords.

Not knowing who Rose Tyler is didn't lessen her enjoyment, and I didn't bother explaining who Tom Baker is (and what "Who" "Nose." is making fun of), though she did get that we're supposed to wonder whether the Curator was the doctor himself or it's just the show being meta.

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