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Before the dust had even settled on Obama's humiliating across-the-board defeat in the mid-term election, Obama immediately began trying to change the subject by alleging that due to lack of Republican cooperation on resolving illegal immigration, he was going to issue an executive order to give amnesty to between 4 and 5 million illegals.

That ignores the clear will of the American people in the election he just lost.

That also ignores that the key obstruction has been Democrat Senate majority leader Harry Reid's blocking of votes on ANY legislation in the Senate.

It also ignores that the first two years of Obama's presidency, the Democrats controlled the Senate and House, with such large majorities that they could have easily passed any immigration reform they wanted regardless of the Republicans. But they DIDN'T.

So it's a complete sham to blame the Republicans now. Obama and the Democrats didn't pursue this in 6 years, not when they had supermajorities, not when they had two branches of government. This is pure Saul Alinsky and Rahm Emmanuel, manufacturing a crisis to demagogue the opposition, and not letting that crisis go to waste.


But the simple fact is, with Harry Reid gone, the Republican majorities in the House and Senate could easily work together and negotiate an immigration reform as soon the new congress convenes in January.
And that's really the point: Obama want to prevent immigration reform from being a Republican achievement. By passing an illegal executive order (one that doesn't amend an existing law, but legislates one to bypass the lawmaking realm of the legislature) he can demagogue the Republicans as evil racist immigrant-haters who would never pass a new immigration law, despite that they were going to negotiate one in the new congress, as soon as the Harry Reid obstruction had been removed.

And because the media are Obama/Democrat-bots they will fly cover for whatever rhetoric or action the Democrats front. In a media that is over 80% liberal, prevalence of the lying pro-Democrat media propaganda wins over the truth.

Although regardless, this can still backfire on Obama, both among popular opinion, and in the higher courts over the coming months.

I see this as Obama's Battle of the Bulge, his refusal to cede defeat, and his suicidal push for one nationally destructive last offensive, before his Berlin falls.


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I also again question the need to reform immigration at all. As Herman Cain said during a debate in early 2008:
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"We don't need comprehensive immigration reform. We already have a comprehensive immigration plan. It's called legal immigration !"



As I've pointed out repeatedly, the United States admits more green-card legal immigrants every year than the other nations of the world combined. We admit over 1 million LEGAL immigrants a year. And in light of that already generous immigration policy, there is no reason we should tolerate illegal immigrants who unlawfully invade our country.
The official estimated numbers of illegal immigrants for about 15 years have been unchanged, estimated at 12 to 20 million illegals. And since those numbers have not been changed, it's more likely 25 to 30 million illegals, if not more.


If anyone remembers, the estimate when the House and Senate passed an amnesty that Reagan signed in 1986 was about 1 million illegals. It turned out that 3 million illegals came forward and took the amnesty.

If the current lowball estimate of illegals follows the same pattern, that would be a minimum of 36 million illegals who would come forward to accept amnesty. And that is absolutely not acceptable.

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This is about his fundamental transformation of America.

By which he obviously meant fuck it up terribly.

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Yes. Obama wants to legalize 12 to 20 million illegals (at least) to create a permanent Democrat one-party majority in the United States for decades to come.

We've already seen what the Democrats would do with such an unaccountable majority, in the legislation they rammed through in 2007-2009. A $750-billion Stimulus bill, a $550 billion Omnibus bill (both of which were unnecessary because of the previous TARP bailout, 50% of which was still unspent two years after it passed, and basically became a slush fund to dole out to Democrat political allies like unions and ACORN), tens of billions more in bailouts for their union allies, a $2 trillion-dollar Obamacare bill that 53% of Americans vocally opposed when it passed, and Democrats still had to buy the votes of their fellow Democrats (Sen. Ben Nelson, D-NE, Sen Mary Landrieu, D-LA, and Sen Bill Nelson, D-FL) to barely push it over the top.

And wrecking Bill Clinton's welfare reform by changing what were supposed to be unbreakable rules that required work to collect welfare, and indefinitely extended the period individuals could collect unemployment.

"Fuck it up terribly" indeed.


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Obama announced on Facebook yesterday that today he would unveil his executive order to provide amnesty to millions of illegals.

How many dozens of times in the last 6 years has Obama previously described his own actions now with this executive order as something that would be unconstitutional, that would bypass the rule of law, and be something a king or emperor would do?

Call him king, call him emperor, but to me he will always be Comrade Obama.


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As I've pointed out in multiple previous immigration topics (the most recent being about the ill-conceived Rubio push for amnesty ) there is no need for amnesty, which just undermines the rule of law and encourages millions more illegals to come here.

If we simply enforced our laws, they would leave, and the more desireable among them would probably apply for green cards and re-enter through the proper channels over the next few years.

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We don't need "comprehensive immigration reform", we just need to enforce our existing laws, in a few easy steps:

1. Secure the southern border with several thousand national guard troops in a matter of weeks. And leave them on the border until a border fence as was constructed over the most vulnerable 14-mile section of the San Diego border is duplicated along the entire southern border.

2. Begin heavy enforcement and fines on employers of illegals. Unable to find work, many illegals will leave the country on their own, with no need of INS or other law-enforcement to round them up.

3. Add an amendment to the Constitution that only children born to parents who are LEGALLY in this country at the time of birth will be entitled to citizenship at birth. This will eliminate tens of billions in benefits to "anchor babies" and their extended families, and roughly 300,000 babies born annually to illegals who come here for the specific purpose of gaining unwarranted rights of citizenship through this loophole in the law.

4. Increase INS agents to round up the remaining illegals who have not already left due to the above steps.

5. No amnesty, ever, for people who have shown a contempt for our laws and broken into our country. Amnesty would only result in encouraging millions more illegals to come. These are not people who love this country, they are just here to exploit the U.S., and take as much free stuff as they can grab.
Once illegals have left for lack of jobs or been forcibly deported, they still have the option to apply for a green card and enter legally, through the proper channels. But those who would want amnesty after breaking our laws are unworthy of citizenship, in their lack of respect for our rule of law.



It is not impossible to remove millions of illegals and secure our borders. There is only a lack of will among our leaders to do so.




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Making it easy for Comrade Obama to better understand how new laws are supposed to be passed, and his proper role as president:


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Did anyone watch Der Feuhrer's speech last night?
Honestly, no surprises really.

He basically gave temporary amnesty (for 3 years) to 5 million illegals, so they can legally work in the U.S. and (hahahahahaha!) pay taxes. I don't believe the "temporary" status will ever be rescinded, or that they will pay taxes.

And further, as Andrew McCarthy said to Megyn Kelly last night, more likely Obama will issue another executive order giving amnesty to the other 7 million (at the minimum estimate) illegals before he leaves office.

And then Democrats will push to expand on that and give them full citizenship, voting rights and welfare at some point in the years after. And if you don't think that's possible, look at what Democrats under Reid/Pelosi did to Clinton's "unbreakable" welfare reform when they regained majorities in 2007-2008. The law means absolutely nothing to Democrats, it's just something to be abused in pursuit of their hidden agenda. They lie to the public to get elected, and then change the rules once in office. Over and over.



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