RKMBs Forums .::Robegories::. Games and Tech GamerGate OR Cultural Marxism's venture into the gaming realm.

I have to go to bed, but my best advice is to watch her commentary on the subject. She breaks down the issue and its implications the most eloquently I've seen thusfar.

GamerGate is freedom!

GamerGate is LIFE!

Gamergate is the most fucking pointless bullshit I have ever read.

"Playing soldier" hasn't helped Pariah grow up at all.

Our taxpayer dollars at work, I'm afraid.

JLA would much rather I try to unionize everyone here and form a picket line outside of Khandahar. That's how you do "grown up" stuff apparently...




http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-destructoid-corruption-and-ruined-careers/

Pretty long article. The primary gist of it is that the GameJournoPros conspired with Destructoid to get Pinsoff fired and discredited for investigating fraud within the IndieGoGo campaign.

GamerGate's efficacy may or may not be in question (looks like it's growing pretty big though), but "pointless" is rather nihilist--if not ignorantly simplistic.

What I would prefer is that you stop being a leech living off of that overly generous government paycheck that is coming out of my pocket, fake soldier.

Besides, last time you were anywhere near a picket line, a little kid taunted you, and you haven't been the same since.

The bitterness is strong with this one...

On that note: Mercedes just pulled ads from Gawker.

realized I never did give you an honest answer. so I will.

I honestly never cared about stuff like this. I have a Y chromosome; it doesn't affect me, you know? I felt like feminism as a whole had overstayed its welcome, buncha leftard pinko harpies coattailing on what was probably a legitimate social movement several decades ago for the sake of political expediency. sure, things probably aren't perfect for women, but things aren't perfect for anyone, so why lose sleep over it?

well, ain't it a sonofabitch, but not only is there a woman sharing my last name, but now there's a little girl running around my townhome who looks disturbingly like me and is gonna grow up to be - shockingly enough - a woman. not only do I have to be concerned about individuals other than myself, I actually have to be cognizant of what they and other women in our society go through on a daily basis. and the more I learn, the less I like.

look, I'm still nowhere near a feminist, and I disagree with what a lot of current gender theory espouses. but if you look objectively at situations just like this, women are getting blamed for decisions they didn't make and are being threatened with not just violence but the most abhorrent expressions of violence, more or less because they're women and it's just programmed into us at a cultural level that there are just some things women should know better than to do.

long story short, I don't give a flying fuck what it does to gamer culture or the hallowed institution of game journalism. I don't want my daughter growing up in a society where she's viewed and treated as less than in any way by virtue of her gender, and that outweighs my concern for the quality and content of video games I get to play by orders of magnitude. if that puts us at odds, it's nothing personal, but since you asked, that's why I'm not concerned about the same aspects of this issue as you.

Please point out where I, or any of the most vocal of GamerGate, have said that women should be treated differently.

I'm not particuarly certain why you've chosen be a white knight for Zoe Quinn and/or Sarkeesian on this issue with all the evidence stacked against both of them. I mean, you've already acknowledged that their behavior has been shady, and yet you're still pushing the same narrative as they are. The name for you at the moment is "concerned trolling." I didn't come up with that phrase, but it's fairly accurate.

What's even worse is that they haven't been the issue for quite some time now, but you still made a rant having to do with feminism rather than the charges of corruption in the industry. Is it really that difficult to care about the integrity of businesses and your daughter's welfare at the same time? Please to keep in mind that she may be playing these games, after all. Do you really want individuals like them controlling thoses games' messages when your child's behind the controller?

Pariah submits after two posts from me.

I just keep getting better with age...

When I indirectly compel you to start talking like Prometheus, there's really not that much more damage I could possibly do.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...=HP_technology:
How some Gamergate supporters say the controversy could stop “in one week”

I was right then. Two posts, and then the white flag of surrender.

Nice to know resilient guys like you are fighting the war on terrahhh.

This is amazing.

I also love how Gamergate gives their enemies names that sound like awesome '90s shows (Ultra Morphin' Social Justice Warriors, White Knight Attack Force Squad Team 2999) while saying stuff like "we will wrap the world in fire" "we will turn our enemies into smoldering piles of ashes" and "bow down before Doom, Fantastic Fools!"

http://reason.com/archives/2014/11/01/misandry-in-the-gamergate-controversy

Seems like a fairly balanced article from what I know or care about this.

On another point, Mxy, I got ask you what's the deal with cracked lately? (present company and Seanbaby excepted) It seems like every week it becomes less and less of a humor site and more and more a bunch of people just ranting and raving about whatever real world topic sets them off. Don't get me wrong. Some of the articles are still reasonably interesting (Gladstone ought to get a gig as a serious music critic somewhere), but they're interesting in the same way you might enjoy something at Rolling Stone, the Huffington Post or the editorial page of the local newspaper. Did the site get new editors or they just decide it's easier to fake drama then comedy?

I blame Mxy. Ever since he got on the Internet, everything just went downhill.

The editors are the same: it's funny to see right wing people saying the site went to shit since Wong took over, considering he took over in 2007 (and has been writing those articles since like 1999). What's changed is the amount/diversity of content. A few years ago there were two new articles per day, usually one fact-based list with dick jokes thrown in between and one column, which can be whatever the fuck the columnist wants to talk about. As the site got bigger they started adding more daily content, including videos, photoplasties and other types of articles, but there's still at least one daily fact/dick joke list like always.

The topics depend on what the people in the forums are pitching and what the columnists want to talk about. Also, cultural Marxism and whatnot.

From what I see it's less a political thing at Cracked these days and more of just a "this thing bugs me and if I write that it bugs me that makes it funny" (i.e., what you describe as "one column which can be whatever the fuck the columnist wants to talk about"). It seems as if the site is less of a humor site and more of an opinion one these days. Even the photoplasties are turning into editorials typed onto a stock image.

So did the social justice arm solicit your cooperation individually or just tell Cracked, as a whole, to tow the line?

the thing about Cracked threatening moot is that it comes off as moot just fabricating excuses to justify what he did to 4chan. The threats look silly and 4chan already has a reputation for being a cesspit. There was nothing to expose.

(also, Cracked is already full of articles that are negative towards 4chan.)

He's surrounded by Yes-men that already agree with everything he does. Why would he need to fabricate excuses?

Moot has always been able to skate on the excuse that his domain is a freespeech dispensary rather than a hate factory. The idea behind the threat seems to be that they were going to staple the less abstract image of "woman-haters" and "suicide-enablers" on the collective face of 4chan using a fairly trusted source (i.e. Disinformation). Cracked most certainly wouldn't have been the only website to tow the line in this instance.

It's one thing to fight the always unpopular Scientiologists, but it's quite another to deal with an ideologically-reinforced, intricately networked fraternity of hipster critics, activists, and journalists who run the gamut from Facebook all the way to SomethingAwful (with just about every gaming website and primary/ancillary social network in between).

At this point in his life, Moot is trying to be profitable. As it stands, 4chan has not been--or is simple incapable of being--profitable for him. He's used it to get his name out there. But if it ends up associating him with misogyny or whatever else that stands opposite to his girlfriend or Sarkeesian, then he can't hope to make money on the internet ever again.

Yeah, because being a haven for pedophiles was a real money maker for him.

That chat is so stupidly fake, even Gamergaters called bullshit on it. I mean, that's an impressive amount of stupid.



I missed the meeting where DARPA told us to do more warring about social justices, but then Marx himself called me on my vergatario (look it up) and demanded my cooperation.

I just kinda stopped right there.

Challenging the veracity of one anecdote with another using a transitive "even" means an overdose of hyperbole.

All of the imgur footage on the issue technically qualifies as anecdote since it could all be edited, but no one's been stupid enough to make the claim that it's fake (yet).

But I suppose relying on internet ambiguity does make it easier to duck the issue.....



Makes sense.

I am! I'm stupid enough to say it's definitely fake. And Gamergate and 4chan members, too. Some choice quotes:













That last one is Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Can you please say something clear like "I believe it's possible that Cracked blackmailed the creator of 4chan by threatening to hire feminist hackers to bring down the site in order to further the SJW agenda conspiracy"? Just to have something simple to quote once some 4channer comes forward and says "Oh yeah, I made up that chat, did someone fall for it?"

SJW = Social Justice Warrior?




I get lost in all the acronyms, most of which are not in usage by more than 20 people worldwide anyway.

It used to be a sarcastic term for people who pretended to care about social issues but were all talk (basically, all of Tumblr). Now it's used against anyone who even says anything about any social issue, ever, so it's pretty much lost meaning.

You think all the screen captures on imgur are fake?



Don't you think it's a tad lazy--and disingenuous--to use faceless IDs apart of an amorphous movement to insinuate the credibility of your position without coming to an absolute conclusion on it yourself? Supposing the chat was confirmed to have taken place, the pseudo-position you've taken remains convenient enough for you to say 'it made more sense to believe this anecdote from the horse's interwebz mouth over that anecdote from his interwebz asshole' without having to either indict or defend the SJW culture in the process--or Cracked in particular for that matter.

Consider ED for a moment: it doesn't actually take a position on whether or not the chat is fake. That block you quoted was a part of a larger article that speculates the chat's authenticity (while holding it against a larger preponderance of evidence that m00t is/was being pinched) without denying or confirming anything. So even though the authors that contribute to ED exhibit a more apparent dislike for the SJW crowd and all its cultural Marxist doings, it doesn't rely on passively supporting/attacking anyone--or, more specifically, "concerned trolling."

While I'm sure that skepticism is the safest, and most advantageous, position to take, it doesn't actually advance discussion on...anything. Its principal application is, more often than not, to stymie the discussion.



More hyperbole? Whatever for?

No, you're right, those couldn't possibly be faked.

http://imgur.com/KINBSes

Actually, I haven't seen screencaps of the Cracked chat, wasn't it dumped on pastebin as raw text?

I'm not completely sure what you're trying to say with the rest of it, but if you mean that I'm trying to dodge the issue of cultural Marxism/the SJW world conspiracy by focusing on how stupidly ridiculous the fake chat is, I'm not. I can understand being concerned about something having a negative impact in your hobby or whatever. There's probably a valid discussion to be had there.

What I can't understand is anyone buying that fake as shit chat log, specifically, because it's just silly as hell. Try saying it out loud: Cracked tried to blackmail 4chan by threatening to hire feminist hackers to bring down the site and writing articles to expose it as bad, because no one knows it's bad. 4chan had a stellar reputation across the globe until a dick joke site wrote an article about it and moot completely lost his shit. Please say that out loud, or have one of those text to voice programs read it.

You said no one would be stupid enough to say the chat is fake: I clearly said "it's fake", and as a bonus provided quotes of Gamergate supporters and other 4chan-related types saying it's fake. I'm not proving the chat wrong as part of a culture war, I'm proving your specific post wrong because it's funny. Pretty simple. Don't try to read other arguments into that.

Just out of curiosity, is it possible to believe that 4Chan are a bunch of twits and that the editorial staff of cracked.com are a bunch of weenie boys who are desperately trying to curry favor with girls who won't sleep with them?

No, you have to pick one or the other. This is a culture war, dammit!

It's true, though. Mxy is a weenie boy who is desperately trying to curry favor with men who won't sleep with him.