The shooting in Orlando at Pulse, which bills itself as "the hottest gay bar" in the city and was packed with more than 300 people, was reported minutes after 2 a.m. Sunday. In addition to those killed inside the club, at least 42 people were taken to area hospitals.
The gunman, whose identity was not immediately released, “may have leanings” toward radical Islam, FBI Special Agent in Charge Ron Harper said when asked whether the suspect had ties to Jihadist terror groups. Harper said the investigation is looking into possible threats made previously by the suspect in connection to radical Islam groups. He said the agency is still investigating and has yet to confirm any role a terror group may have played in the mass shooting.
This guy was an American citizen raised to believe anti-American bullshit on our soil. And if that's what we can expect from our citizens, then what do you think we can expect from ivader--I mean, immigrants?
ISIS Announced Florida Threat THREE Days Ago: “We Will Attack Florida”
This guy was an American citizen raised to believe anti-American bullshit on our soil. And if that's what we can expect from our citizens, then what do you think we can expect from ivader--I mean, immigrants?
A former Fort Pierce police officer who once worked with 29-year-old Omar Mateen, the assailant in an Orlando nightclub shooting that left at least 50 dead, said he was “unhinged and unstable.”
Daniel Gilroy said he worked the 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. shift with G4S Security at the south gate at PGA Village for several months in 2014-15. Mateen took over from him for a 3 to 11 p.m. shift.
Gilroy, a former Fort Pierce Police officer, said Mateen frequently made homophobic and racial comments. Gilroy said he complained to his employer G4S Security several times but it did nothing because he was Muslim. Gilroy quit after he said Mateen began stalking him via multiple text messages — 20 or 30 a day. He also sent Gilroy 13 to 15 phone messages a day, he said.
there's a lot of fuckery in the mainstream media right now. stories are getting buried and commenters are getting banned for mentioning the shooter's statements supporting the Islamic State and other charming and endearing stuff. the sampling of foreign news outlets you can find in less than a minute on reddit lays the guy's extremism out pretty transparently.
/r/news was banning people who pointed out that Tameen was Muslim. Next thing you know, close to 200 thousand people unsubscribe in a matter of a hours.
Mods proceed to shit bricks and cry out, "Wait wait, please don't go! We're sorry!"
If the shooter didn't have the assault weapon, he just would have flown a plane into the building or something.
Signed,
thedoctor12/Pariah/G-troll (they share the same lame rationalizations)
I could just become a follower of the ruling ideology, swap political beliefs in an instant when the other guy is going to win, and begin to use terms made up by politicians who clearly do not understand what words like 'assault' and 'weapon' mean individually and show no realization of the redundancy of putting them together.
People use the 'assault weapon' term to describe guns that look scary too them. In functionality, those guns are no different than their wood grained brethren. The very same guns that have been mass produced and sold to the public for about 150 years. Hell, you used to be able to buy them in hardware stores. Which goes to where our real problem is. We have a societal problem that is elevating hatred and violence no matter the weapon.
I've read several articles where the shooter's ex-wife said that he was mentally unstable or ill. I've yet to read an article where he was diagnosed and/or treated. I'm all for not letting the mentally unstable get guns. It should come up on a background check. But it seems like it doesn't (and that needs to be changed). And in this situation it seems like it wouldn't have popped up on him. If we'd dedicate some time and effort to identifying and treating the mentally ill, a by-product would be that they wouldn't be able to buy guns to use when they snapped.
I grew up around guns. I don't fear the idea of them, but I do fear the guns themselves. That's not to say that I won't or don't shoot them. That fear makes sure that I'm terribly safe in my handling of them. If anyone says that they aren't afraid of guns, keep your distance from them because they're gonna get you injured or worse by being careless with a gun. I've seen it in people I know who weren't raised with guns but became Libertarian gun nuts in adulthood. All of the people who were hunters and such when I was a kid who themselves grew up with guns as part of their daily lives never had a gun go off when they didn't want it to. But these new to it fucknuts all have 'accidental emmisions' (their term, not mine) where their guns shot a live round when they didn't realize that it was loaded.
We've lost our common goddamn sense when it comes to guns and people in general. Our society promotes this violence by making all the other sick fucks realize that they'll get all the attention they want if they'd just shoot up a school, mall, nightclub, etc. Their names will be up on the 24 hours news networks every few minutes telling the world. Making guns the bad guy here is an easy way out just as it's easy to blame all the Muslims. There's a deeper, societal ill here that we're ignoring for the quick fix answers.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Smith & Wesson shares were up 8.8% before the market even opened.
Shares of firearm makers rose in premarket trading on Monday, after the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history sparked renewed fears of potential gun control.
Smith & Wesson shares were up 8.8% at $23.30, while those of Sturm, Ruger & Co rose 4.5% at $60.
A man armed with an assault rifle and pledging loyalty to Islamic State killed 50 people during a gay pride celebration at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida early on Sunday.
The rampage – carried out by the gunman, Omar Mateen, a New York-born Florida resident and U.S. citizen – was denounced by President Barack Obama, who had previously blasted congressional inaction on gun control.
Gun sales jumped in January after President Obama vowed to use executive powers to expand background checks for buyers and bolster licensing requirements for dealers.
The announcement had followed the mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, where a couple pledging allegiance to Islamic State killed 14 people.
Gun sales slowed in May according to adjusted data from National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which process applications to own firearms.
Sales were up only modestly from a year earlier, compared with expectations for a double-digit rise, BB&T Capital markets analyst Brian Ruttenbur wrote last week.
Ruttenbur had also cut his rating on Sturm, Ruger to “hold” from “buy.”
Up to Friday’s close, Smith & Wesson stock had risen 39% in last 12 months, while Sturm, Ruger had risen about 6%.
"My friends have always been the best of me." -Doctor Who
"Well,whenever I'm confused,I just check my underwear. It holds most answers to life's questions." Abe Simpson
I can tell by the position of the sun in the sky, that is time for us to go. Until next time, I am Lothar of the Hill People!
"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination." Quran 9:73
Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.
The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.
(These have been compiled over the years, so not all links remain active. We will continue adding to this).
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
And we let these people immigrate to our country... why?
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Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...-for-extremism/
Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified). http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/To...full-report.pdf
June 23, 2015 According to a new nationwide online survey (Below) of 600 Muslims living in the United States, of those polled a significant minority embraces the supremacist notions that could pose a threat to America’s security and its constitutional form of government.*
The numbers of potential jihadists among the majority of Muslims who appear not to be sympathetic to such notions raise a number of public policy choices that warrant careful consideration and urgent debate, including: the necessity for enhanced surveillance of Muslim communities; refugee resettlement, asylum and other immigration programs that are swelling their numbers and density; and the viability of so-called “countering violent extremism” initiatives that are supposed to stymie radicalization within those communities.
Overall, the survey, which was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), suggests that a substantial number of Muslims living in the United States see the country very differently than does the population overall. The sentiments of the latter were sampled in late May in another CSP-commissioned Polling Company nationwide survey.
According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).
More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.
These notions were powerfully rejected by the broader population according to the Center’s earlier national survey. It found by a margin of 92%-2% that Muslims should be subject to the same courts as other citizens, rather than have their own courts and tribunals here in the U.S.
Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”
By contrast, the broader survey found that a 63% majority of those sampled said that “the freedom to engage in expression that offends Muslims or anybody else is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and cannot be restricted.”
Nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country.
Center for Security Policy President, Frank J. Gaffney, Jr., observed:
The findings of the Center for Security Policy’s survey of Muslims in America suggests that we have a serious problem. The Pew Research Center estimates that the number of Muslims in the United States was 2.75 million in 2011, and growing at a rate of 80-90 thousand a year. If those estimates are accurate, the United States would have approximately 3 million Muslims today. That would translate into roughly 300,000 Muslims living in the United States who believe that shariah is “The Muslim God Allah’s law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide by Jihad.”
It is incumbent on the many American Muslims who want neither to live under the brutal repression of shariah nor to impose it on anybody else to work with the rest of us who revere and uphold the supremacy of the U.S. Constitution in protecting our nation against the Islamic supremacists and their jihad.
Despite this latest Islamic fanatic's double life, I think it does manifest what polls consistently show a vast slice of U.S. muslims' first loyalty to something other than the United States. And more than that, a vast support among them for violently or otherwise overthrowing the United States in favor of Sharia law. (i.e., it is a "slam dunk").
AGAIN: Why would we want to admit any more of these people into the United States, unless we are absolutely sure they are not ascribed to that jihadist ideology. Any more than we would admit Nazis or Imperial Japanese during World War II, or Soviet communists during the Cold War.
Poll After poll shows that 20 to 25% support violence against Western culture (i.e., the U.S.) and 50% or more passively support implementation of Sharia law over Western democracy. Period.
'bout sums it up, much to the disappointment of media outlets on both sides hungry for a strawman slam dunk...
When you're a son of a pro-terrorist father and you pledge allegiance to Isis before executing 49 people, and maiming 50 more, ideology is still the reason.
We already know that all Islamists are crazy and mentally unstable by virtue of their nonsensical system of ethics. The father that honor-killed both of his daughters for dating Hispanics, for instance, stalked them everywhere obsessively, keeping an eye on their behavior. By Western standards, that is erratic behavior, but still easily attributed to his moral foundation.
The fact that Tameen was a dude that liked other dudes is just a hilarious cherry on top. I can just imagine what was going through his head at the time: "Dammit, why can't I quit you!? Allahu Akbar!"
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