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#1222872 - Sun Feb 12 2017 11:47 PM North Korea is Shooting Missiles!
Lothar of The Hill People
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38952352

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The missile fired is thought to be an intermediate-range Musudan similar to this
North Korea has confirmed that it "successfully" fired a ballistic missile on Sunday in a test supervised by leader Kim Jong-un.

The device was described as a "surface-to-surface medium-to-long-range ballistic missile", the Korean state news agency KCNA reported.

South Korea's defence ministry called it an armed provocation to test the response of US President Donald Trump.

North Korea's latest ballistic missile test has been widely condemned.

The US, Japan and South Korea have requested an urgent meeting of the United Nations Security Council to discuss the incident.

KCNA reported that the test of the Pukguksong-2 missile, a new type of strategic weapon said to be capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, was overseen by leader Kim Jong-un.

It added that the missile was fired at a high angle in consideration of neighbouring countries.

The rocket used a solid-fuel engine, the report said, which gives ballistic rockets greater power and range.

South Korea military experts said the rocket had been launched by a "cold-eject" system, which uses compressed gas for its initial thrust, a system employed for submarine-launched missiles.


Are they just shooting blanks to see what Trump will do?

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#1222873 - Mon Feb 13 2017 04:07 AM Re: North Korea is Shooting Missiles! [Re: Lothar of The Hill People]
Wonder Boy
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My first impression is that the North Koreans are more sane than, say, the 12th Imam jihadists in Iran, who actually want to use nuclear weapons "in the cause of Islam", who openly boast about wiping Israel off the map, and who chanted "death to America" the same day they signed a nuclear agreement with the U.S. (Obama) roughly 2 years ago.

The North Koreans appear to possibly be more sane, sabre-rattling to get concessions. Their nation is on the brink of starvation, and an actual war, beyond some initial damage to their opposition, would collapse within weeks during an actual war with South Korea and the U.S.
And Kim Jong Un doesn't seem willing to take that move and lose power over his nation.

But there is a consideration that they might actually want to harm the U.S., and that they are more suicidal in that cause than they appear.
They could put those missiles on submarines and launch them 20 miles off our shore, and destroy key U.S. cities and bases in minutes.
They could proliferate their technology to Iran, ISIS, Al Qaida, or other Islamic nations and further increase the threat to the U.S. by hands other than their own.


A pre-emptive strike by the U.S. might yield a better result and less long-term damage than waiting for them to pursue any of the above options against the U.S. Whether by striking North Korea with bunker-busters or with actual nukes.
But it would require an invasion and occupation of North Korea to insure their nuclear threat were actually eliminated, and I don't believe anyone in the Trump administration or the Pentagon are willing to do this.
At least not enough of them.

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#1222874 - Mon Feb 13 2017 04:14 AM Re: North Korea is Shooting Missiles! [Re: Wonder Boy]
Wonder Boy
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But hey, anyone who names their nukes Big Dong missiles seems to have inadequacy issues and something to prove.

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#1222875 - Mon Feb 13 2017 10:25 AM Re: North Korea is Shooting Missiles! [Re: Wonder Boy]
Captain Sammitch
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North Korea has approximately fuck-all in the way of an effective delivery system. They want nukes for the same reason Iran does: a bargaining chip against the most severe sanctions and, failing that, a hedge against invasion. They know nuclear nations don't have to abide by the same rules as everyone else, because we and the Russians have proven that repeatedly. It's cheaper and easier for a destitute dictatorship like that to try and strong-arm their way to relevance with nukes than to try and build a functional infrastructure in the face of a crippling embargo. It's slightly more complex in the case of Iran, but generally speaking we might be the only ones who ever acquired nuclear weapons for predominantly offensive purposes. Once we popped the top on that can of worms, everyone else started pondering them simply as a means of survival.

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#1222879 - Tue Feb 14 2017 08:48 AM Re: North Korea is Shooting Missiles! [Re: Captain Sammitch]
Wonder Boy
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All well-made points, Sammitch.

In the case of the U.S., though, ironically we should be among the most secure nations on earth, because our having the largest nuclear arsenal should mean that no one would want to mess with us.

But (again, ironically) the reality is, we among nuclear-armed nations have the greatest conscience and reluctance that would prevent us from actually using them in either a pre-emptive defensive or retaliatory way.
On many levels beyond nuclear weapons, the U.S. is seen as a paper tiger that is afraid to use its power and influence. Where despite the U.S.'s enormous and unmatched power, even piddly nations like Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Mexico and Cuba seem eager to take us on, knowing they can defy us with virtually no risk of consequences.

Similarly, Osama Bin Ladin became a household-name hero throughout the entire muslim world for defying the U.S. with his early (pre-9/11) Al Qaida attacks, and even when we bombed him, he survived and grew as an icon of muslim defiance against the U.S.
Showing that even U.S. military action, when it doesn't have follow-through to get the job done, is not a deterrant. Limited action actually made the threat grow.

Our limited threat (either conventional military, or nuclear) likewise just emboldens their defiance and will to do us harm.

I think you hit it especially right that Iran and North Korea want nukes for (1) a bargaining chip, and (2) a hedge against invasion.

But like China, India and Pakistan, these nations also seek nukes as (3) an elevation of their national prestige by becoming a nuclear power.
And in the case of Iran, (4) advancing the cause of Islam by actually using nuclear weapons, to accelerate their Islamic visions of Armageddon.
Unlike the "mutually assured destruction" that kept NATO and the Soviet Union in check, Iran has the zeal to actually use their weapons.
North Korea knows their government would topple immediately if they ever used nukes, so I see the greatest threat from North Korean nuclear capability to be their potential spread of nuclear technology to Islamic nations and Islamic terror groups.

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#1223720 - Thu Jul 06 2017 01:03 AM Re: North Korea is Shooting Missiles! [Re: Wonder Boy]
Lothar of The Hill People
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40513334

Looks like North Korea will be our next Iraq.


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North Korea missile: US says it will use military force 'if we must'

America's UN ambassador Nikki Haley says the US is prepared to defend itself and its allies

The US has said it will use its "considerable military forces" on North Korea "if we must", following Tuesday's long-range missile test.

US ambassador Nikki Haley said a new resolution will also be tabled against Pyongyang at the United Nations.

She described the test as a sharp military escalation and also threatened to use trade restrictions.

Hours after she spoke, the US and South Korea fired more missiles into the Sea of Japan as part of military drills.

But Pyongyang has said it would not negotiate unless the US ends its "hostile policy" against North Korea.

Tuesday's missile launch, the latest in a series of tests, was in defiance of a ban by the UN Security Council.

Don't make old people mad.We don't like being old in the first place so it doesn't take much to piss us off!

“I'm about to do something very clever and a tiny bit against the rules of the universe. It's important that
I'm properly dressed.” Doctor Who

If you’re Gonna fight, fight like you're the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark… and brother, it's startin' to rain.”
― Christopher Woods,

I can tell by the position of the sun in the sky, that is time for us to go. Until next time, I am Lothar of the Hill People!

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#1223723 - Sun Jul 09 2017 04:04 AM Re: North Korea is Shooting Missiles! [Re: Lothar of The Hill People]
Wonder Boy
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I love how North Korea alleges "hostile policy" by the U.S.

Ignoring that the U.S. in a 1994 treaty gave North Korea over a billion dollars a year in free energy, and allowed them a nuclear reactor for peaceful energy purposes. That North Korea broke all its negotiated promises with, and used it to develop nukes, and constantly threatens the U.S. and its neighbors with long-range missile tests, clearly stated to be used to carry their nukes.

It's clear who is the peaceful good-faith negotiator, and who is the aggressive threat to the region and the world.

If it were just a question of keeping North Korea in check, I'd favor negotiation, or worst case scenario, allowing or providing Japan and/or South Korea with nuclear weapons as a deterrant to N. Korea.

But North Korea is a threat far beyond its borders in its proliferation of that technology to Islamic nations. We saw that in evidence when Syria was bombed by Israel almost 10 years ago, and nuclear triggers and other N.Korean technology was found in the ruins. N. Korea is impoverished , and has shown its willingness to sell its technology to anyone who will buy, particularly anyone who is a threat to the United States.

I don't see any real alternative other than an all-out attack on North Korea to annihilate that threat once and for all. That's not U.S. aggression, that's just eliminating the threat that both North Korea and China have wasted a thousand opportunities to peacefully resolve. Whatever cost to the U.S. of invading North Korea, it would be a small fraction of the cost if we allow North Korea to perfect its missiles and proliferate that technology. And if China doesn't like it, too bad. They've had many opportunities to pull the plug on North Korea and avert it culminating to this.



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#1223724 - Sun Jul 09 2017 04:13 AM Re: North Korea is Shooting Missiles! [Re: Wonder Boy]
Wonder Boy
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And if I were the Japanese leadership, I would have begun to develop Japan's own nuclear weapons program in 2002, as soon as the North Koreans announced they were in the final stages of having nuclear weapons. Rather than trust feckless leaders like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and arguably George W. Bush as well, to do the courageous thing and protect Japan from that threat.
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#1223955 - Tue Aug 08 2017 10:55 PM Re: North Korea now has ICBM-size nukes, and the missiles to carry them [Re: Wonder Boy]
Wonder Boy
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NORTH KOREA NOW HAS NUKES THAT CAN FIT ON AN ICBM WITH MISSILES TO CARRY THEM, AND THREATENS TO STRIKE GUAM!

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North Korea and President Trump lashed out at each other within hours on Tuesday, in both cases threatening to hit the other side with a barrage of "fire."

The threats, between the North Korean Army and Trump, came shortly after a report -- confirmed by Fox News -- that the regime has produced a compact nuclear warhead that could fit on a missile capable of reaching the United States.

Speaking at his Bedminster golf resort in New Jersey, Trump vowed to unleash “fire” and “fury.” He said that North Korea’s threats of nuclear war “will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which the world has never seen before.”

He continued, saying that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un “has been threatening beyond a normal state,” and added that the communist country “best not make any more threats to the United States.”

North Korea soon fired back with a threat of its own. The Korean People’s Army claimed in a statement that it was looking into a plan to hit Guam, a U.S. territory, with missiles that would create an “enveloping fire” around the island.



The threat was released by state-run media, and said the purpose of striking Guam would be to subdue the U.S. military bases there, particularly the Anderson Air Force base where nuclear-bombers are stationed.

A different statement released said that the regime “could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation,” according to a Reuters report.

The threats from North Korea came days after the United Nations Security Council voted unanimously to sanction the country. The resolution approved on Saturday bans North Korean exports of coal, iron, iron ore, lead, lead ore and seafood -- resources that are worth more than $1 billion to the regime.






At first I saw it reported that North Korea had ICBM's with a 3,700 mile range.
Now I've heard they have range to hit any city in the continental U.S.

Either way, when a country has nukes they never should have had, and is openly threatening the United States, I'm glad to have a president who is not submitting to it with talk of "strategic patience".



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#1223961 - Wed Aug 09 2017 07:35 AM Re: North Korea now has ICBM-size nukes, and the missiles to carry them [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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His time in Celebrity Apprentice I'm sure will give him the leg up with dealing with North Korea.

Fair play!

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