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#1225508 - Tue Apr 17 2018 08:35 PM Barbara Bush RIP
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I actually gained a new respect for her after reading Al Franken's book Limbaugh is a big fat idiot. He to,d a story where they were on a flight together and they exchanged some conversation. He brought up her son Neil and she gave I thought a good response. She replied she was proud of all her boys. And that she was done with him. Franken meant it as some type of slam on her but I saw a mom being a mom.

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#1225509 - Tue Apr 17 2018 10:37 PM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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I hope she didn't fall asleep next to Franken on that flight.

But, seriously, yeah. She was what a mom and partner should be, to a president or anyone: a decent person who loved her family.

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#1225511 - Wed Apr 18 2018 07:08 AM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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I guess she's best known for her literacy program, that expanded into all 50 states.

It's been pointed out a few times that First Ladies often poll as more popular than the presidents they are coupled with. Obviously because what they advocate is a lot less controversial.

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#1225512 - Wed Apr 18 2018 07:09 AM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: the G-man]
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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
I hope she didn't fall asleep next to Franken on that flight.



\:lol\:

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#1225515 - Wed Apr 18 2018 07:31 AM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: Wonder Boy]
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If it had been Trump he would have called her a liar and knocked her on her looks. Just some perspective for the GOP peanut gallery:)

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#1225517 - Wed Apr 18 2018 02:31 PM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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Uh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troopergate_(Bill_Clinton)

Among many others that could be listed.

And in Clinton's case, he wouldn't call them a liar, because wife Hillary did that for him, leading the charge to slander and destroy Clinton's accusers, women Hillary knew to be telling the truth. But destroyed them anyway, just to advance her own political ambitions.

And again, while there are allegations against Trump, they are not proven. The allegations against Bill Clinton and Al Franken are proven.

  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1225519 - Wed Apr 18 2018 07:31 PM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: Wonder Boy]
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I would point out that Clinton was only proven to have had a consensual affair. You've made it clear that a women's allegation depends on party. I do admit that Spanky probably would have passed on Barbara as he goes for the ones that reminds him of his daughter.

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#1225522 - Wed Apr 18 2018 09:53 PM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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No, YOU'VE made it clear that whether a woman is to be believed is about party affiliation. You absolutely won't admit that Bill Clinton is guilty of sexual assault (proven with Paula Jones, that's why Clinton paid an $850,000 settlement he knew he couldn't win). And also proven with Monica Lewinsky, that Clinton lied and lied that there was no affair until she produced the semen-stained dress and he could no longer deny it.

That makes other women like Juanita Broaddrick (a Democrat fundraiser, clearly loyal to the Democrat party, why would she possibly make up that Clinton attacked her), and Kathleen Willie and all the others. The fact that Clinton boldly lied up to the point he was beaten down with evidence, puts the lie to his denying these other women were assaulted by him.

Also, the liberal media ignores Clinton's accusers. Hannity in one of his programs went through the stats of how much airtime the networks gave in news coverage or interviews of the women accusing Clinton. Most networks it was zero. One or two gave a minute or two. As compared to Stormy Daniels where it's a portion of every hour, ongoing for weeks and weeks.

In the case of Trump, I already went through the list of his "19 accusers". To date, there is no evidence, NONE, that he sexually harassed, groped or came on to any of these women. And among the mostly silly 19 accusers, bending in for a kiss at a party is not sexual assault. It might be creepy (if it happened), but it's not a crime. "He looked at us like we were meat" in the Miss USA dressing room isn't a crime.
And as I said, it's a joke to include Ivanna Trump on the list, when she not only retracted her accusations (made during a bitter divorce, to humiliate Trump), but they are friends, and she even wrote an introduction to one of Donald Trump's books. She has said repeatedly that she felt rejected and betrayed, that she "felt raped, emotionally," not that she was actually raped. It is dishonest to include that in the "19 accusers" as if she was still accusing him 30 years after it was disproven and corrected.

And while you and the liberal media act like the "19 accusers" are equal or worse than Bill Clinton's RAPE, and SEXUAL ASSAULT allegations and PROVEN crimes, they are not.

Clinton's very serious assaults are proven.
Trump's manufactured smears are not.

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#1225523 - Wed Apr 18 2018 10:14 PM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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You would have just called them liars using other rationalizations. I wouldn't go that far but you are incorrect to say they are proven. Unlike Spanky, Clinton didn't need to have everybody including exwives sign non disclosure forms or threaten any woman that made accusations with lawsuits with his thug fixer Cohen. I suspect there will be more women coming forward after Cohen goes down btw.

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#1225525 - Wed Apr 18 2018 10:37 PM Re: Barbara Bush RIP [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
You would have just called them liars using other rationalizations. I wouldn't go that far but you are incorrect to say they are proven. Unlike Spanky, Clinton didn't need to have everybody including exwives sign non disclosure forms or threaten any woman that made accusations with lawsuits with his thug fixer Cohen. I suspect there will be more women coming forward after Cohen goes down btw.


They ARE proven, in the cases of Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky. There is absolutely no denying that.

As Kathleen Willie and Juanita Broaddrick can attest, the Clintons have their fixers, and way beyond the law. In the Roger Stone youtube video I posted yesterday to the JFK assassination topic, Stone says the guy who threatened Kathleen Willie and killed her cat to intimidate her said he doesn't regret his actions, he only wishes he charged Hillary more for silencing a threat to the Clintons. As I linked previously, there is a long list of journalists and witnesses who died mysteriously right before they went public about their knowledge of the Clintons.

And by the way, you've gone way the fuck off the deep end with your uncivility and insults toward President Trump. He is still the president, and a very accomplished president. And absolutely nothing Trump has been accused of has turned out to be true.

When I insult the Clintons or the Obamas, it is based on their actions, their proven radical histories, and their undisputed lawless power grabs. As contrasted with Trump, who has rolled back authoritarianism, cut state regulations, and arguably restored Constitutional freedoms.

And you are speculating what I think without evidence. I'm proud that Republicans have the integrity to pressure those within their ranks who have done wrong to resign. In the case of Mark Foley, I said right off he should resign (while simultaneously pointing out how many Democrats who had done even worse were not given the same pressure.)
I'm proud that rather than just clinging to power (as Democrats did with Clinton's impeachment in 1998) Republicans in 1974 sided with Democrats and called for impeachment of Nixon. They went against party politics to do what was right. I frankly can't imagine the Democrats in the last 15 years doing the same. Quite the opposite, Democrats on multiple fronts openly promote lawlessness and corruption to advance their goals and score political wins.
Election fraud.
Labelling any attempt at voter identification, as "racist", to keep illegal Democrat votes from being weeded out.
Promoting Illegal immigration and amnesty to get more Democrat voters.
Sanctuary cities.
Obstructing border security.
Violence against conservatives to silence free speech, in bookstores, on college campuses, and in places like Charlottesville (and I'm not defending Klansmen, I'm defending the majority there who were civil protestors for preserving confederate monuments as a preservation of actual history.)
Constantly using tactics of smear and intimidation to silence and marginalize their conservative opposition. The smears against Roy Moore that allowed their candidate to narrowly win is another example. It cost Moore just enough support to lose, and it's yet another example of how vile and low your party is. Not just on occasion, but as a standard Alinsky/Leninist practice.

You're the party of Clinton corruption, Obama corruption, of operators like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, of Donna Brazile, of Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, the party of George Soros and his Shadow Party, the party of abortion, assisted suicide, open borders, disarming our military, of shaming America as a racist place to splinter it along race and class lines (to advance Democrat party interests while destroying the nation), and ultimately, hating America.
And on every one of those fronts, undermining law to advance Democrat power.

  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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