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#1226899 - Thu Oct 04 2018 07:11 AM The "Crappiest Comic" contest
Wonder Boy
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I was inspired by this Youtube video:




Marvel Comics Toilet Paper,
Comic Tropes Crappy Comic Book Contest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fAtCfEncnw



I think we all can offer a few unsavory contenders. There are many criteria to determine "the crappiest". If one goes strictly on bad storytelling, it would just be too uninteresting to be worth the trouble to read and review.
I prefer selections that should be good stories, where the creators have the talent to do something better, but just do it badly, to the point of disappointing and insulting readers.



For me, the absolute worst comic I ever read was AMAZING SPIDERMAN 289. Where after literally years of buildup (starting with issue 238) and clues left across countless issues and other Spiderman titles, the identity of the Hobgoblin is revealed, and none of the clues match up with the character revealed!

The run where Roger Sterm began it were fantastic, and still among my favorites, across 238-251. The Hobgoblin appearances in SPECTACULAR SPIDERMAN and other titles were also passably decent. Up till this particular issue.
As high above, so far below...






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#1226900 - Thu Oct 04 2018 07:12 AM Re: The "Crappiest Comic" contest [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Pretty funny that Marvel printed a comic on a roll of toilet paper.

They could make that an annual tradition, for the issue that Marvel readers select as the crappiest story each year.

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#1226909 - Thu Oct 04 2018 08:47 PM Re: The "Crappiest Comic" contest [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Perhaps "most disappointing comic" would be a better description of what you're looking for.
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#1226914 - Fri Oct 05 2018 12:33 AM Re: The "Crappiest Comic" contest [Re: the G-man]
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Well, as I partly laid out, there are many criteria for "crappiest".

Offering a finale that doesn't conform to the clues leading up to it is certainly one form of bad storytelling.

Stories that are conceptually bad or just in bad taste is another. Such as HANSI: THE GIRL WHO LOVED THE SWASTIKA. Although that story is about a girl who was indoctrinated as a nazi, and then became disillusioned as a Christian and came to see the nazis as evil. And fronts itself to be a true story.
Or the LOIS LANE story where she becomes black.

Or BROTHER POWER THE GEEK.
Or Simon & Kirby's 1974 offering THE SANDMAN.
Joe Simon's 1968-1978 writing across the board for me is just deliciously out of touch with 1970's readers. PREZ? GREEN TEAM? But bad as it is, that actually makes it fun to read.


We've discussed it before, for me among the absolute crappiest were Ernie Chan's run on BATMAN and DETECTIVE in 1975-1976. Teamed with writer David V. Reed, and often with inker vince Colletta.

Another contender is Marvel's TEAM AMERICA, which as I recall was to be an Evel Keneivel series, but then he had some scandals, so they did the series with similar characters under another name.

STARBRAND, and virtually all Marvel's 1986 "New Universe" titles.

Virtually anything pencilled by Sal Buscema. The saving grace on any of his books was an inker who could make it not look like Sal Buscema. Some books he pencilled include MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE, THE DEFENDERS, INCREDIBLE HULK, and ROM.
I actually liked ROM, but more so when Aiken/Garvey were inking it, around issues 25-50.

To a degree, "crappy" is in the eye of the beholder. And books I hate, others look back on with affection, despite arguably not having the greatest story and art. And vice versa.

There's also a "so bad it's good" category. In the template of Ed Wood's Plan 9 From Outer Space.
Jack Kirby's 1975-1976 run on CAPTAIN AMERICA kind of fits that criteria.




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#1226915 - Fri Oct 05 2018 12:43 AM Re: The "Crappiest Comic" contest [Re: Wonder Boy]
Wonder Boy
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How about the Tyroc issues of LEGION in the mid/late 1970's:




A black militant character who came from a centuries-segregated island of black racists. As I recall, Grell disliked the character, as did Paul Levitz. To the point that it was quietly drifted out of continuity.

As I recall, Tyroc appeared in SUPERBOY/LEGION 216, 218, and 222.




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#1226916 - Fri Oct 05 2018 12:51 AM Re: The "Crappiest Comic" contest [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Another I hated that others would disagree with me on is LOVE AND ROCKETS by the Hernandez brothers.

Butch lesbians, the L.A. punk rock scene, hispanic subculture, the cynicism, the ugly minimalist art... others see brilliance in this series, I just hated it to no end and could never get into it.






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#1226927 - Fri Oct 05 2018 10:09 AM Re: The "Crappiest Comic" contest [Re: Wonder Boy]
the G-man
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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy



We've discussed it before, for me among the absolute crappiest were Ernie Chan's run on BATMAN and DETECTIVE in 1975-1976. Teamed with writer David V. Reed, and often with inker vince Colletta.


Yeah, that is probably the nadir of bat-runs, at least during my childhood. Especially when you consider it was running around the same time as classic runs by O'Neil/Adams/Novick, Englehart/Rogers and anything drawn by Jim Aparo.

These days, I'd probably dance a jig to have those guys (well, maybe not Colletta) back.

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#1226968 - Fri Oct 05 2018 08:16 PM Re: The "Crappiest Comic" contest [Re: the G-man]
Wonder Boy
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No argument there, about the Reed/Chan/Colletta team being an umbearable drop from the greatness of O'Neil/Novick/Giordano and O'Neil/Adams/Giordano, and the Aparo run on BRAVE AND THE BOLD.

That's an era where I loved the Bat-titles, and it took something truly putrid for me to stop buying at that point, an awfulness which Reed/Chan provided. What the hell was DC thinking?

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#1226969 - Fri Oct 05 2018 08:38 PM Re: The "Crappiest Comic" contest [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Neal Adams' SKATEMAN. Just conceptually bad from the outset.
And mercifully, only one issue.

All the more shockingly bad, to have come from a creative giant like Neal Adams.


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