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Epstein arrested

This guy deserves to actually face justice.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

Not sure what part of that you're referring to. He got a ridiculously light sentence the first time around.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/christine-pelosi-jeffrey-epstein-democrats-faves-implicated


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Christine Pelosi, a Democratic National Committee official and daughter of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, warned conspicuously on Saturday evening that it is "quite likely that some of our faves are implicated" in the "horrific" sex-trafficking case against politically connected financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Epstein is due in court following his sudden arrest Saturday in New York on new sex-trafficking charges involving allegations dating to the early 2000s, according to law enforcement officials. He has been accused of paying underage girls for massages and sexually abusing them at his mansion in Palm Beach, Fla., and in New York City. His 72-acre private estate on the Virgin Islands, a home said to be nicknamed "Orgy Island," also has been under scrutiny.

"This Epstein case is horrific and the young women deserve justice," Pelosi tweeted. "It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may - whether on Republicans or Democrats."

It was unclear exactly to whom Pelosi was referring, but Epstein has long been connected with high-profile figures, including Britain's Prince Andrew and former President Bill Clinton. Court documents obtained by Fox News in 2016 showed that Clinton took at least 26 trips flying aboard Epstein's private jet, known as the "Lolita Express," and apparently ditched his Secret Service detail on some of the excursions. Records showed that President Trump may have flown on the jet at least once.

The president previously called attention to Clinton's dealings with the financier.

"Nice guy -- uh, got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island, with Jeffrey Epstein," Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity in 2015, referring to Clinton's connections with Epstein. "A lot of problems."

Meanwhile, Trump biographer Tim O'Brien this weekend reposted an excerpt fom a 2002 profile of Epstein in New York Magazine, in which Trump told a reporter, "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

However, Trump's legal team more recently has denied the two were friends.

Trump banned Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago estate “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club,” according to court documents filed by Bradley Edwards, the lawyer who has represented several Epstein accusers. That claim has not been confirmed by Trump or Mar-a-Lago.

EPSTEIN ONCE CLAIMED HE CO-FOUNDED THE CLINTON FOUNDATION






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Trump's lawyers claiming something really doesn't mean anything. As with Bill Clinton, Trump has a history with the pedo that can't be undone. Trump even commented on Epstein's liking them young while having a business and social relationship with him. I have no pretenses that any of this matters to Trump's base but that isn't enough to win a presidential election even with Russia's help. There won't be a Clinton on the ticket for '20 either.


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Court Documents: Trump Banned Epstein From Mar-A-Lago For Alleged Assault On Underage Girl


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Bradley Edwards, a lawyer who represented Jefferey Epstein’s victims, stated in court documents that Trump had barred Epstein from his Mar-A-Lago estate “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.”

Neither Trump nor Mar-A-Lago have confirmed that Epstein had been banned from the club. (RELATED: Child Sex-Trafficking Charges Against Jeffrey Epstein Unsealed Ahead Of Court Appearance)

During the 2016 election Trump alleged Bill Clinton might have a strong connection to Epstein, Clinton is reported to have traveled on Epstein’s plane dozens of times. Referring to Clinton, Trump stated, “Nice guy — uh, got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island, with Jeffrey Epstein. A lot of problems.”

Court filings obtained by Fox News show that Clinton traveled on Epstein’s private plane the “Lolita Express,” 26 times. On some of those trips Clinton allegedly left without his secret service detail.

Epstein was arrested in New York on Saturday for alleged sex-trafficking offenses dating back from the early 2000’s. His charges include one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of minors. Epstein pleaded not guilty Monday to all charges.

Trump is reported to have traveled on Epstein’s plane on at least one occasion. In the past, the president has spoken highly of Epstein before allegations surfaced of his child sex abuse saying, ”I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

The president’s legal team denied that the two were ever close friends.

In a press conference on Monday, prosecutors said investigators found nude photos of what appear to be underage girls in Epstein’s New York mansion.



As reported by One America News, Trump was also called on and prepared to give deposition testimony against Epstein in 2009.


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Epstein was a huge Democrat donor.
Just like Harvey Weinstein.

But of course, the Democrat leadership and Hollywood elites learned about it the same time we all did. Except they've been joking about it on camera and on broadcast television for 15 years.


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I think it says it all that you have to run to fake memes and ignore the long relationship Trump had with Epstein. We know he knew about Epstein because he talked about it. It only became an issue when Epstein was legally in trouble for it. Oh and good riddance to Trump's labor secretary that worked the original deal for Epstein.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I think it says it all that you have to run to fake memes and ignore the long relationship Trump had with Epstein. We know he knew about Epstein because he talked about it. It only became an issue when Epstein was legally in trouble for it. Oh and good riddance to Trump's labor secretary that worked the original deal for Epstein.



I think it's hilarious that you strain to turn this into an attack on Trump, when it is Trump who had severed his ties with Epstein 15 years ago after one encounter with him.


Whereas you and other Democrats ignore that it was Bill Clinton who is in the flight log books as having taken 26 trips to Epstein's "pedophile island", 5 of which Clinton had his secret service escort stay behind, so there would be no witnesses to Clinton doing God knows what.

As I cited above, Trump also had Epstein banned from entering Mar A Lago for assaulting an under-age girl.

But yeah, Trump is the bad guy here.
Only in your convoluted revisionist fantasies.

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Just Trump and Epstein and 28 girls

\:lol\:

Lots more Trump and Epstein stories out there as well as photos of them together. Trump thought he was a terrific guy after all.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Just Trump and Epstein and 28 girls

\:lol\:

Lots more Trump and Epstein stories out there as well as photos of them together. Trump thought he was a terrific guy after all.


That Vanity Fair piece you linked says absolutely nothing new.
First off, Vanity Fair cites its close association with the New York Times, a partisan frequently discredited paper that is deeply committed to slandering Trump.
Second, the ads accompanying the hit piece make clear Vanity Fair's commitment as well to discrediting Trump.

They cite Trump's "other female accusers" but fail to make clear that many of those stories have likewise been discredited, are the clear result of women who are committed partisan Democrats making accusations just to hurt Trump politically, and other women who only made accusations after they didn't get what they wanted in business deals with Trump, as clear vindictive payback. Again, many discredited and proven false. And as discussed before, many are not even sexual allegations, such as "He just looked at me creepy".

And finally, the 'facts' in the article are deliberately misleading. The part about secretary Acosta getting a sweetheart deal for Jeffrey Epstein is untrue. What Acosta arranged was to assure Epstein did jail time rather than an acqquittal, and that Epstein would be registered for the rest of his life as a sex offender. It was others after Acosta who changed Epstein's sentence so that he could be released 12 hours a day and work. NOT Acosta.

You completely evaded that Bill Clinton is listed with 26 flights to Epstein's "pedophile island", and that on five of those trips Bill Clinton left behind his secret service escort, so that no one was there to observe Clinton's activities.

There is absolutely nothing like that regarding Trump with Epstein. And it is clear that Trump severed all ties with Epstein 15 years ago, and barred Epstein from Mar A Lago, for precisely the sexual assaault on a minor that you are desperately trying to smear Trump with, despite no evidence.



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Jeffrey Epstein found dead in Manhattan jail cell; multiple reports claim death by suicide


He was found at 7:30 AM, not even 4 hours ago.

Rather suspect that he already attempted to commit suicide not even a week ago, and was on a suicide watch that was supposed to prevent this. Unless someone wanted it to happen...




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If anyone was curious where Epstein's "Pedophile Island" is.

I'm not sure "pedophile" is the correct word for Epstein's indulgences. His tastes seemed to run to very young teenage girls, not children. But I guess that's covered by the broad term.


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The day after we find out from unsealed flight logs that Trump did fly on Epstein's plane besides usingTrump's Mar lar go resort to get underage sex saves yesterday Epstein apparently kills himself. No fake meme required unlike WB


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Barr announces DOJ inspector general investigation into Epstein death



Wow.
Trump is so guilty and nervous, his attorney general launched a federal investigation
into Epstein's death, and Trump prevented it.

Oh WAIT!
Trump didn't prevent it! What will the M E M conspiracy theorists of the Democrat/Left say now?!?

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This happened with Trump and Barr in charge. Somebody like Epstein who tried committing suicide prior to this should have been watched closer. But Epstein was also Trump's buddy and recruited underage sex slaves on Trump's property. I know you like your Clinton conspiracy stories but given Trump's history with Epstein there's going to be speculation and conspiracy theories there too.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
This happened with Trump and Barr in charge. Somebody like Epstein who tried committing suicide prior to this should have been watched closer. But Epstein was also Trump's buddy and recruited underage sex slaves on Trump's property. I know you like your Clinton conspiracy stories but given Trump's history with Epstein there's going to be speculation and conspiracy theories there too.


That's such utter horsesshit.

Were Obama and Biden held personally responsible for not preventing every random shooter and scandal that occurred in their 8 years?
Sandy Hook shooting?
Fort Hood?
The shooting of Dallas police officers (whose deaths were more evidently caused by Obama's anti-police and Black Lives Matter-endorsing rhetoric)?
Lois Lerner and the IRS harassing and auditing Republican groups and large donors, so Obama could narrowly win re-election in 2012?

Obama let two U.S. Marines, in two separate incidents, innocent of any crime be falsely imprisoned in Mexico, and threatened, each for about a year, both near death when they were finally released. Obama intervened on the part of thug criminals like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, stoked the racial hatred of groups like Black Lives Matter and Al Sharpton. Obama caused the violent assaults and deaths of Black Lives Matter and with his rhetoric caused black mobs in the streets nationwide. And based on far less evidence, none, you accuse Trump and Barr of being responsible for Epstein's death?!?
Be serious.
There is zero evidence for the crazy shit you allege.

Another I can think of is a friend of the Tsarnaev brothers who was killed while detained for questioning after the Boston Marathon bombing. No one ever said Obama and Holder were responsible when that shooting in custody occurred. I linked an article about it back in the topic related to the Boston bombing. Holder I don't recall ever even launching an investigation.


In contrast, Barr was clearly outraged, and it was a surprise to everyone that Barr ordered a U.S. attorney investigation of Epstein's death less than 4 hours after his body was found. Barr saw an injustice, and immediateely demanded an investigation. Far from a cover-up.

So far as I've read (even in your Media Matters-variety far-reaching smears) Trump saw Epstein a few times socially at parties in New York, and maybe travelled with Epstein on a trip once. My impression is the one time Trump socialized separately with Epstein, Trump saw what Epstein was about, and immediately distanced himself.
And 15 years later, when Epstein assaulted an underage girl at Mar A Lago, Trump banned him from the club.
As opposed to, say, Bill Clinton, who travelled to Pedophile Island 26 times, and 4 times abandoned his Secret Service detail to cloak his misadventures on Pedophile Island.



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It's not a smear when it's documented and true. And Trump's friendship with Epstein is to well documented. Trump's claims about parting ways with Epstein because he assaulted one of Trump's underage girls appear to originate with Trump telling a former campaign aid that was the reason. So right before running for President Trump tells this story. That wouldn't mean anything to you if it was a democrat so why should it mean anything to me that a liar and sleaze ball like Trump is now telling this story? And don't bother trying to minimize Trump's relationship with Epstein for me. Trump was a guest at Epstein's home, he flew on Epstein's private plane and Trump in his own words talked about his friend's taste for younger women.


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Btw even though Epstein is dead I hope his victims can continue to pursue and get justice. Those that aided and protected Epstein need to be exposed and answer for what they did. Somebody like Acosta who made the plea agreement was acting in the interest for those people.


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It should be noted that while Barr says he's appalled and vowing to investigate this, Barr is the one who has oversight over the Bureau of Prisons. He is one of those that are ultimately responsible for what he alleges to be disturbed over.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It should be noted that while Barr says he's appalled and vowing to investigate this, Barr is the one who has oversight over the Bureau of Prisons. He is one of those that are ultimately responsible for what he alleges to be disturbed over.


AGAIN: You held a different standard than you did when a suspect related to the Tsarnaev brothers was killed in custody.

Obama's then-attorney general Eric Holder never ordered an investigation of that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing#Ibragim_Todashev

In contrast, William Barr in the case of Epstein's death has ordered an IMMEDIATE investigation.

You can't blame Barr for the incompetence and corruption of a system he inherited, you can only expect him to clean it up. Barr was appointed Feb 14, 2019, so this occurred not even 6 months into his time as Attorney General. The Democrats have assailed him with a torrent of allegations and indictments since he took office, that take up an enormous anount of his time. When was he supposed to reform the federal prison system?


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It's not a smear when it's documented and true. And Trump's friendship with Epstein is to well documented. Trump's claims about parting ways with Epstein because he assaulted one of Trump's underage girls appear to originate with Trump telling a former campaign aid that was the reason. So right before running for President Trump tells this story. That wouldn't mean anything to you if it was a democrat so why should it mean anything to me that a liar and sleaze ball like Trump is now telling this story? And don't bother trying to minimize Trump's relationship with Epstein for me. Trump was a guest at Epstein's home, he flew on Epstein's private plane and Trump in his own words talked about his friend's taste for younger women.


I didn't see anything in that paragraph that had the slightest whiff of a "documented" cited fact. But it sure does reek of irrational hatred for Trump.
It is a cited fact that Trump banned Epstein from his Mar A Lago club because Epstein assaulted an under-age girl. It's clear Trump doesn't run the club himself and others brought this to his attention, so there are certainly witnesses to Trump banning him from the club and familiar with the circumstances.

And AGAIN:
Trump took one trip with Epstein, saw what he was about and distanced himself. Prior to that, he seems to have only known Epstein in social settings at parties, and commented on his general impresion of Epstein.
As contrasted with Bill Clinton, who took 26 trips to Pedophile Island, and on four of those trips left behind his secret service detail to conceal his activities. On an island known and named for Pedophelia! Some others listed by the under-age girls as men they were forced to have sex with were Bill Richardson, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz.

Despite your best efforts to dodge the truth, those are the facts.



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The known facts about Jeffrey Epstein's relationships with both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, and other prominent figures:

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Previous long-term girlfriends associated with Epstein include Eva Andersson-Dubin[146][147] and publishing heiress Ghislaine Maxwell.[20] Epstein was romantically linked with Andersson-Dubin in the 1980s and the two later remained friendly well after her marriage to Glenn Dubin.[146][147] Epstein had met Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of disgraced media baron Robert Maxwell, by 1991.[37][125][148][149][150] Maxwell was implicated by several of Epstein's accusers as procuring or recruiting underage girls in addition to once being Epstein's girlfriend.[123][125][150] In a 2009 deposition, several of Epstein's household employees testified that Maxwell had a central role in both his public and private life, referring to her as his "main girlfriend" who also handled the hiring, supervising, and firing of staff starting around 1992. In 1995, Epstein renamed one of his companies the Ghislaine Corporation in Palm Beach, Florida; the company was later dissolved in 1998.[128] In the year 2000, Maxwell moved into a 7,000-square-foot townhouse, less than 10 blocks from Epstein's New York mansion. This townhome was purchased for $4.95 million by an anonymous limited liability company, with an address that matches the office of J. Epstein & Co. Representing the buyer was Darren Indyke, Epstein's longtime lawyer.[124] In a 2003 Vanity Fair exposé, Epstein refers to Maxwell as "my best friend".[20]

Epstein was a longtime acquaintance of Prince Andrew and Tom Barrack,[151] and attended parties with many prominent people, including Bill Clinton, George Stephanopoulos, Donald Trump,[152] Katie Couric, and Woody Allen.[153] His contacts also included Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and British prime minister Tony Blair.[154][155] Both Clinton[156] and Donald Trump[157][better source needed] claimed that they never visited Epstein's island. Epstein owned a private Boeing 727 jet, nicknamed the "Lolita Express" by the tabloid press, and traveled in it frequently, logging "600 flying hours a year ... usually with guests on board".[158][159][160] Epstein's brother told The Washington Post that Trump flew "numerous times" on Epstein's airplane, although he was only present on one of the flights.[161][162] Trump also flew Epstein on his own airplane at least once, according to Michael Corcoran.[163] In September 2002, Epstein flew Clinton, Kevin Spacey, and Chris Tucker to Africa in his private jet.[22][159][164][165] Flight records obtained in 2016 show Clinton flew on Epstein's plane 26 times to at least a dozen international locations.[166][167] Flight logs did not list any Secret Service detail for at least five flights, all in Asia,[166] and Secret Service stated that there is no evidence of the former President making a trip to his private island.[166] In 2019, a Clinton spokesperson stated that, in 2002 and 2003, Clinton took four trips on Epstein's airplane, making stops on three continents, all with his staff and Secret Service detail.[168] At the time of Epstein's 2019 arrest, Clinton's spokeswoman Angel Ureña stated that Clinton had "not spoken to Epstein in well over a decade, and has never been to Little St. James Island, Epstein's ranch in New Mexico, or his residence in Florida.[169] In documents unsealed the day before Epstein's death, the deposition of alleged sex slave Virginia Giuffre includes her allegations that when she was 17, Clinton visited Little Saint James island, that underage girls were present, and that Epstein threw a dinner party for the former President. She stated Secret Service was present, but not at all times;[170][171] the Secret Service told Fox News it had no record of agents being on the island.[172] The unsealed court documents also showed Giuffre acknowledged that her claim Clinton visited the island was false.[173] Giuffre claims Maxwell told her she flew Clinton to the island on her helicopter, although she conceded, "I heard a lot of things from Ghislaine that sounded too true – too outrageous to be true, but you never knew what to believe."[170][171]

In a profile of Epstein in New York magazine in 2002, former Democratic Senate leader George J. Mitchell said of Epstein, "I would certainly call him a friend and a supporter." In the same article, Donald Trump remarked, "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it – Jeffrey enjoys his social life."[174] In July 2019, Trump said "I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him," stating four times he had not been "a fan" of Epstein and that he had not spoken to him in about fifteen years. Video surfaced that month showing the two men partying together at Mar-a-Lago in 1992.[175][176][177][178] By 2007,[179] Epstein was reported to have been banned from Trump's club.[180][181][182] The ban allegation was included in court documents filed by attorney Bradley Edwards,[183] although Edwards later said it was a rumor he tried but failed to confirm.[184][185] Clinton lauded Epstein as "a committed philanthropist" with "insights and generosity". At the time Epstein was on the board of Rockefeller University, a member of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a major donor to Harvard University.[186]

Epstein visited the White House on four known occasions in the 1990s.[187] In 1993, during Bill Clinton's presidency he went to a donor event at the White House with his companion Ghislaine Maxwell. Around the same time, he also met with President Clinton's aide Mark Middleton on at least three occasions at the White House. In 1995, financier Lynn Forester discussed "Jeffrey Epstein and currency stabilization" with Clinton.[187] Epstein, according to his own accounts, was heavily involved in the foreign exchange market and traded large amounts of currency in the unregulated forex market.[20][22] In 1995, Epstein also attended a small political fundraiser dinner for Bill Clinton which included 14 other people such as Ron Perelman, Don Johnson, Jimmy Buffett, and dinner organizer Paul Prosperi.[188]

From the 1990s to mid-2000s, Epstein often socialized with the future President Donald Trump.[149][161][177][189] Journalist Michael Wolff wrote that Trump, Epstein, and Tom Barrack were at the time like a "set of nightlife musketeers" on the social scene.[3][190] Epstein and Trump socialized both in New York City and Palm Beach, where they both had houses.[177][189] A porter who worked next door to Epstein's house on the Upper East Side of Manhattan in 2000 stated to The Mail on Sunday in reference to people coming and going from Epstein's house that "I often see Donald Trump and there are loads of models coming and going, mostly at night. It's amazing he's got so many ladies, as Mr Epstein, and always has a new one on his arm, it seems."[149] In April 2003, New York magazine reported Epstein hosted a dinner party in his Manhattan residence to honor Bill Clinton, who did not attend, although Trump did attend.[191] According to The Washington Post, one person who knew Epstein and Trump during this time noted that "they were tight" and "they were each other's wingmen". In November 2004, Epstein and Trump's friendship ran into trouble when they became embroiled in a bidding war for a $40 million mansion, Maison de L'Amitie, which was being auctioned in Palm Beach. Trump won the auction for $41 million, and successfully sold the property four years later for $95 million to the Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev. That month was the last time Epstein and Trump were recorded to have interacted.[161]




A lot of that is perception and not fact. Epstein's brother said Trump flew with Jeffrey Epstein "many times" but only witnessed one flight.
Bill Clinton flew on 26 flights with Epstein, 5 of which he left behind Secret Service, but allegedly none to Pedophile Island. But they could have said they were flying elsewhere, and in truth gone to Pedophile Island.
Whether fact or just subjective preception, these are the statements of those observing Esptein and his inner circle.


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Just for you, M E M:








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Trump's re-Tweeted post, originally from a comedian I don't know.



A twist of it I wasn't aware of is that despite the greater allegations against Bill Clinton, Twitter was manipulating its feed to make a conspiracy of #TrumpBodyCount trend higher.

And that Trump re-tweeted this arguably to counter that.

As reported in the mainstream media, it's portrayed as if Trump just unprovoked retweeted this to attack the Clintons.


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"Pedos of the Caribbean"!

Love the scarfed Podesta. and the gap-toothed Hillary.
Harr me mateys! HARRRRR!!



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Trump's re-Tweeted post originally from a comedian I don't know.



A twist of it I wasn't aware of is that despite the greater allegations against Bill Clinton, Twitter was manipulating to make a conspiracy of #TrumpBodyCount trend.

And that Trump re-tweeted this arguably to counter that.

As reported in the mainstream media, it's portrayed as if Trump just unprovoked retweeted this to attack the Clintons.



Pretty lame attempt to rationalize Trump's tweet. Trump partied with Epstein, gushed about Epstein and gave the guy who got Epstein a cushy to good to be true deal for enslaving teenage girls into sex a job in his administration. Not shocking to see him try to throw out some Clinton conspiracy stories to distract his base.


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Man, this has become one of those Michael Jackson-death type stories, where there are just ever more lurid details that come out every day.

That in his cell when he dies:

* His cell-mate was moved out just the night before Epstein "committed suicide". (To isolate him with no witnesses, perhaps?)
* The security cameras were suspiciously turned off.
* There was a shortage of guards, and two of the people guarding Epstein were not even security guards, but people whose official jobs were other functions in the prison.
* Epstein's guards were officially told to look in on Epstein regularly (if I recall hourly) but they didn't, and was therefore found dead.
* Epstein's guards "fell asleep" during the time they were supposed to be guarding Epstein and he was killed.
* Epstein had just attempted suicide 18 days before he died. And yet he was taken off suicide watch just days before he mysteriously died in his cell.
* Post-autopsy, the hyoid bones in his throat were broken, which in over 90% of cases that occurs, is due to strangulation, not hanging.
* The impact on Epstein's throat to break the hyoid bones would require a high impact on his throat from a gallows-like hanging, but there is nothing in his cell to explain this.
* Epstein should have had paper sheets, not cloth, to further prevent him from hanging or injuring himself.

That's not even a complete list of unexplained suspicious circumstances.

and

* Epstein had two days before his death updated his will, in his cell, with his lawyer.

Add to that, it was revealed that years before when Epstein was on work release (that he should never have had) he had sex with two women. One of whom was 17 when he met her. No police supervision.
So while he was serving jail time for sex with minors, he was having sex with at least one other minor.

And the revelation that AFTER Epstein was sentenced in 2008, he had some kind of dealings with Bill Gates, advising Gates on financial investment and charitable donations. And Gates flew at least once on Epstein's private plane to West Palm Beach.

There was another famous billionaire who was listed as executor of Epstein's will, who said he would not participate in his prescribed task to read the will and be executor of Epstein's estate.

In Epstein's sex-trafficking ring, yet more wealthy and famous people have been named. Several photos have surfaced of Prince Andrew with his arms around an under-age girl, and leaving Epstein's house (if I recall, his New York residence, he had residences there and West Palm Beach. And in Paris.)

So... there's a lot of people with motive to kill Epstein or arrange his "suicide". And there seem to be more secrets unveiled every day.
And no doubt more to come. Because of the embarassment of him dying in the nation's supposedly most secure federal prisons, Barr is having the DOJ conduct multiple investigations.



https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7gi3ew

Judge Jeanine, Saturday 8-17-2019, since she devoted her opening editorial and a good portion of her program to the case. Jeanine Pirro used to prosecute and judge decades of cases of sex trafficking and suicides. She points out that in maany years as a prosecutor other coroner reports she handled showed "suicide", and a year or two later she proved them to actually be murders.

Jeff Epstein, by the way, was a bundler and contributor to the Democrats for decades, to whom he gave over 90% of his political donations.



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 Originally Posted By: WB

A twist of it I wasn't aware of is that despite the greater allegations against Bill Clinton, Twitter was manipulating to make a conspiracy of #TrumpBodyCount trend.

And that Trump re-tweeted this arguably to counter that.

As reported in the mainstream media, it's portrayed as if Trump just unprovoked retweeted this to attack the Clintons.


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Pretty lame attempt to rationalize Trump's tweet. Trump partied with Epstein, gushed about Epstein and gave the guy who got Epstein a cushy to good to be true deal for enslaving teenage girls into sex a job in his administration. Not shocking to see him try to throw out some Clinton conspiracy stories to distract his base.


Those are the facts.

Trump: One known trip with Epstein on his plane, NOT to pedophile Island.

Clinton: 26 known trips with Epstein, 5 without his Secret Service detail, obviously to not make them witnesses to his activities.

And yet you strain to argue a case against Trump, when there is far more evidence of Epstein's extensive closeness with Bill Clinton.

Trump had Epstein removed and banned from Mar A Lago, specifically for assaulting a minor.

There was a period where Trump and Epstein were seen together often at parties. But the evidence is, Trump made one trip with Epstein, saw what Epstein was about, and distanced himself. There is a difference between knowing someone at parties, and really knowing them. Beyond one plane trip together, there is no evidence that Trump and Epstein were close, beyond superficial social gatherings and parties. Trump appears to only know Epstein by appearance and social reputation.

And then there's Bill Clinton...





and...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

...who long before the Epstein scandal, was well known for aggressive and reckless sexual liasons, a number with young women, and a number without their sexual consent.








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Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy more consistent with homicidal strangulation than suicide, Dr. Michael Baden reveals


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The body of disgraced money man and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who was found dead in his Manhattan federal prison cell in August, bore telltale signs of homicide despite an official ruling that he killed himself, a pioneering forensic pathologist revealed to “Fox & Friends” in an exclusive interview Wednesday.

The bombshell claim by Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York City medical examiner who has worked on high-profile cases during a five-decade medical career, is certain to reignite suspicions that surfaced immediately after Epstein, who was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges involving underage girls, was discovered dead in his cell on Aug. 10. Baden, who was hired by Epstein’s brother and observed the autopsy, told Fox News its findings are more consistent with homicidal strangulation than suicidal hanging. He noted that the 66-year-old Epstein had two fractures on the left and right sides of his larynx, specifically the thyroid cartilage or Adam’s apple, as well as one fracture on the left hyoid bone above the Adam’s apple, Baden told Fox News.

“Those three fractures are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation,” Baden, who is also a Fox News contributor, said.

While there’s not enough information to be conclusive yet, the three fractures were “rare,” said Baden, who's probed cases involving O.J. Simpson, President John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, record producer Phil Spector, New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez and many others.

“I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case,” the 85-year-old medical legend told Fox News.



EPSTEIN'S ATTORNEYS 'NOT SATISFIED' WITH AUTOPSY RESULTS THAT CONCLUDED FINANCIER DIED BY HANGING



Baden, who's examined more than 20,000 bodies and hosted HBO's "Autopsy," explained that if a person weighed 120 pounds and their head weighed 10 pounds, there would be 110 pounds of pressure on the neck at the jaw during a hanging. But, if someone put a hand around a person's neck and squeezed, that could double or even triple the pressure on the neck, Baden said.

There were also hemorrhages in Epstein’s eyes that were common in homicidal strangulation and uncommon, though not unheard of, in suicidal hangings, the forensic pathologist said.

“The prominent hemorrhage in the soft tissues of the neck next to the fractures is evidence of a fresh neck compression that could have caused the death,” Baden said.

Baden stressed his independent study was not complete. “The investigation is not completed until all the information has come in,” he said.

Epstein was found hanging in his prison cell at the high-security Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan and was later declared dead, investigators said.

Prosecutors alleged that the previously convicted sex offender paid girls as young as 14 hundreds of dollars for massages before he molested them in his homes in New York and Palm Beach, Fla., between 2002 and 2005. He was awaiting trial in federal prison, thus federal agencies -- presumably the FBI and Justice Department -- had jurisdiction over the investigation into his death, Baden explained.


SOME JAIL STAFFERS NOT COOPERATING WITH DOJ INVESTIGATION INTO EPSTEIN SUICIDE, SOURCE SAYS



He said it was unknown to him and the Epstein family what work the feds may have done and what results they might have.

The ligature, or item used to tie something tightly, allegedly was made from a sheet that had been twisted and put around Epstein’s neck, Baden said. Evidence on the cloth material could help prove whether or not someone else was involved in Epstein's death.

“Whoever it is would have their DNA all over the ligature,” he said. “We don’t have those results yet,” he added, saying those results “should be reported quickly to give an idea and lessen the speculation.”

New York City Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson ruled Epstein’s cause of death to be a suicide by hanging.



NEW YORK MEDICAL EXAMINER: JEFFREY EPSTEIN'S DEATH WAS A SUICIDE BY HANGING



“It appears that this could have been a mistake,” Baden said. “There’s evidence here of homicide that should be investigated, to see if it is or isn’t homicide.”

But Sampson on Wednesday is standing by her findings.

“Our investigation concluded that the cause of Mr. Epstein’s death was hanging and the manner of death was suicide. We stand by that determination," she told Fox News in a statement. "We continue to share information around the medical investigation with Mr. Epstein's family, their representatives, and their pathology consultant.

"The original medical investigation was thorough and complete," she continued, adding that "there is no reason for a second medical investigation by our office.”

Epstein previously was discovered on July 23 -- over two weeks before his death -- on the floor of his prison cell with marks around his neck, after which he was placed on suicide watch.

He was taken off suicide watch a week later and put in another cell with a roommate, Baden said -- but the second inmate was taken out a few days after that, leaving Epstein alone in the cell.



JEFFREY EPSTEIN'S FORMER EX-COP CELLMATE AT NYC LOCKUP MUST HAVE BETTER LIVING CONDITIONS, JUDGE RULES



On the day Epstein was found dead, the prison security had experienced a “total breakdown” in procedure, according to Baden.

“It was determined that the two guards who were supposed to be working in that area of the prison had allegedly fallen asleep and hadn’t made their 30-minute rounds for more than 3 hours,” he said.



JAIL WHERE JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIED HAS EGREGIOUS HISTORY OF SECURITY BREACHES



Then there were security cameras that were supposed to be recording the cell and the hallway outside, to see who went in and out. Both apparently had malfunctioned, according to Baden.

Mark Epstein, Jeffrey’s next of kin, had hired Baden to perform an independent investigation because the family wasn’t getting answers -- and if his brother’s death was, in fact, a homicide, “he and others may be at risk,” Baden said, “because of somebody not wanting knowledge given out.”

Through his five decades of experience, Epstein’s death is not straightforward, Baden said.

“It doesn’t give you the answer," he said. "It's not a typical hanging case.”




I was tempted to post this in G-man's News of the obvious topic.

  • * Epstein just a few weeks prior to his death tried to commit suicide, and yet was taken off suicide watch, no supervision, right before his death.

    * Not one, but TWO guards just happened to be asleep when he committed suicide.

    * Breaking of hyoid bones in throat, consistent with strangulation rather than suicide.

    * Materials in his cell were insufficient to allow him to commit suicide, or the force necessary to break his hyoid bones or break his neck.

    * His cellmate was conveniently moved out just before his death, no witnesses.

    * The security cameras around his cell were conveniently not working, so again, no witnesses.

    * By the account of his attorney, the last person to see him, he was optimistic and making plans for the future.


So Dr. Baden's evaluation is just a highly qualified expert verifying what was already quite apparent.



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Dr. Michael Baden, the autopsy expert who says that against the official coroner's report of Epstein committing suicide in federal prison, he cites the facts that Epstein was in fact murdered. For all the reasons listed above.

Baden is back in the news, as crime-scene photos were released today showing Epstein dead in his cell, and the implausible noose he allegedly used to hang himself. And really, since before I even began this topic, Epstein's pedophile network, Prince Andrew, and Epstein's suicide have never left the headlines for more than a few days.

There are actually at least two ways Epstein could have been murdered:

1) By enemies blackmailed by Epstein, who didn't want Epstein living to their secret possibly videotaped under-age liasons that Epstein could reveal if he lived. Obviously.

2) Less obviously, Epstein knowing he would spend the rest of his life in prison, could have arranged his own death, could have paid for those involved to look the other way, so he could either kill himself, or paid others to kill him since he didn't have the courage to kill himself.

All Epstein had to look forward to at this point was a few decades of getting ass-raped behind bars. Probably many would prefer suicide or the death penalty to that.

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Y'know, QAnon is back in the news as this 'dangerous right-wing conspiracy theory" that allegedly proves all right wingers who believe in it are whackos.
The controversy over Rep. Marjorie Taylor-Greene (D-GA) 's social media posts ascribing to QAnon's speculations of a worldwide satanic pedophile ring among the world's ruling elites has given the Democrat House majority the pretense to rip away her sitting on any House committees. (While, of course, still leaving dangerous bomb-throwers and antisemites and violence stokers like Democrats Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Ayanna Pressley, Cori Bush and Ocasio-Cortez on THEIR committees.)

I don't know all the details, but Taylor-Greene has said that her comments were a few years in the past and not current. I don't ascribe to her beliefs, but I don't see them as crazy or dangerous, or beyond the realm of possibility. I don't get worked up about it, but I think it's clearly possible.

And particularly with the revelations of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell' s pedophile ring catering to the world's elite, and this lady...


Anneke Lucas: I Was a Sex Slave to Europe's Elite at Age 6


...while I'm not a QAnon guy, I fail to see how it's dismissed as a crazy conspiracy. There seems to be some meat to it.

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Man...

How Elites Will Create a New Class of Slaves - Whitney Webb, interviewed by Glenn Beck.
On the FBI, CIA and other intelligence Deep State, originally created during World War II and the Cold War to control foreign governments, now turned inward to control the American people. And threads of it weaving through Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and her father Robert Maxwell, a family with decades of authoritarian CIA and intelligence history.


Pretty self-explanatory.
Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, are the tip of the iceberg, manifesting a secretive corrupt system. With decades-long ambitions to control the government and elites of Britain, the United States, and an even more sinister larger cabal, seeking to implement a global system, for authoritarian power and self-enrichment, at the expense of the citizens they were put in power to protect.

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Did anyone else notice similarities between the Sam Bankman-Fried arrest... and the previous incarceration and "suicide" of Jeffrey Epstein?

In Bankman-Fried's case, he was about to give testimony, but before he could do so he was imprisoned and silenced, so he can't tell what he knows.
Bankman-Fried gave almost $40 million dollars to Democrat candidates (second only to George Soros), that allowed them to win elections by vastly out-spending Republican opponents. No one among Democrats wants him to talk about that. An unfortunate suicide wouldn't be a great surprise.

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Amazing how the Sam Bankman-Fried story (another huge donor to the Democrat-Bolshevik party) very suddenly disappeared from the headlines. Move along, nothing to see here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried

Despite that the collapse of crypto-currencies as an investment (the centerpiece of his investment company) no doubt just played a huge part in the massive Silicon Valley Bank collapse last week.
And collapse of Signature Bank in New York state.
And that said collapses expose roughly another 200 banks to great risk of collapse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_Bank

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...lley-bank-collapse-republican-ags-charge

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/new-york-community-bank-agrees-purchase-failed-signature-bank

And Federal Reserve officials and woke Democrat-connected bank officials saw it happening for months, and just let it happen. Because the plan is to collapse the dollar and push us onto an electronic currency that the Democrat-Bolshevik party can use to eliminate privacy, and (like China, that the Democrat-Bolshevik Left admires and emulates) that the Democrats can use to shut off the bank accounts and livelihood of any dissenters who oppose their ideology. As was already demonstrated by Comrade Trudeau in Canada during the trucker's protests to Covid restrictions last year.
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1235817

Yep, nothing to see here, just the Democrat-orchestrated collapse of our constitutional republic....
Of which Jeffrey Epstein and Sam Bankman-Fried are just the visible symptoms of.

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There are probably thousands of men and women with some kind of tangential association with Jeffrey Epstein, from Bill Clinton to Donald Trump, to Prince Andrew, to many prominent Democrats as Epstein was a large fundraiser and participant in the Democrat party. To various billionaires and capains of industry.

One I ran across recently caught my attenion :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Seckel

Seckel being an intellectual and scientist of some notoriety, with decades of shady dealings of his own, unrelated to Epstein, mixed together with a lot of other science, philosophical, and parapsychology groups, and his own personal achievements.
And he is either the creator, or a participant in creating, the "Darwin" symbol used on cars (the secularist-left's answer to the "Jesus fish" used by Christians on their cars).

But Seckel interviewed Epstein as part of a science conference held on "Pedophile Island" with a number of other scientists, and Seckel posted the Epstein interview on his website.

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In 2009, Seckel was involved in organizing a science conference with financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The Mindshift conference took place in early 2011 on Epstein's private island Little Saint James.[30][31] In attendance were scientists Murray Gell-Mann, Leonard Mlodinow, Gerald Sussman,[27] and Frances Arnold,[31] in addition to the actor and cryptocurrency proponent Brock Pierce.[30][31]

An interview between Jeffrey Epstein and Al Seckel discussing perception appeared on Epstein's science website on October 17, 2010.[32]



Somehow (completely unrelated to Epstein), Seckel reminds me a bit of CHARIOTS OF THE GODS author Erich Von Daniken...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken

... who, like many, I was fascinated with in the 1970s (even though, while Daniken's work was lively reading, I never quite fully accepted as true a lot of what Daniken said. And as it turns out, while maybe he still has a lot of recognition in the UFO science / pseudo-science community, he has unquestionably had some shady or even criminal episodes of fraud in his 50-year career.)

In addition to Von Daniken's books, there was a 17-page article about his work in MARVEL PREVIEW magazine 1, in 1975 :
https://viewcomiconline.com/marvel-preview-issue-1/


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