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#1230795 - Sun Feb 02 2020 05:13 PM Coronavirus outbreak in China
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak


I linked to this so it will update as the outbreak progresses.

This became public knowledge in late December 2019. Initially it was 60-80 deaths and about 3,000 known cases.
2 days ago, it was 150 known deaths and 8,000 known cases.
Now 305 known deaths and about 14,000 known cases.

While it initially appeared that China had been forthcoming and cooperative with world health organizations from the beginning, it has been increasingly clear that China knew about this outbreak as far back as a year ago, and did not make the rest of the world aware until the epidemic ceased to remain only inside China's borders.

In fact, Chinese doctors who revealed details earlier in their social media accounts in an effort to make the Chinese public aware, were severely punished by the Chinese government, in the Chinese government's efforts to keep the Coronaviris outbreak secret as long as possible.


On the plus side, against the hyperbolic coverage in the media, Coronavirus has been fatal in a relatively small number of cases, about a 0.03% rate of death in all cases. In most cases killing those with already compromised and very fragile immune systems.

And of cases in the U.S., there are currently only 8 confirmed cases, with many hundreds of others recently arriving back from China in quarantine for up to 14 days (although for reasons I don't understand, most are only being quarantined for 3 days instead of the full potential 14 day incubation period).
And no fatalities in the U.S.
So far as I know, all the fatalities have only occurred in China, no other nation that deaths have spread to.

On the downside, there has been 1 case in the U.S. where a wife transferred it to her husband, that might indicate it is more contagious then previously believed. But as I understand it, the husband had weakened immunity, and chose to spend a lot of time exposed to his wife even when she was already symptomatic. So possibly that caused him to be infected where others would not be.


And the normal flu virus kills tens of thousands in the U.S. annually, and therefore at present would be more reasonably feared in the U.S. than Coronavirus.


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#1230797 - Mon Feb 03 2020 12:40 AM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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The first Coronavirus-related death to occur outside of China just happened in the Phillipines.


Coronavirus death in Philippines said to be first outside China

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A 44-year-old Chinese man visiting the Philippines is the first known fatality outside China to be linked to the coronavirus, the World Health Organization said Sunday.
The Philippine Department of Health also confirmed the death and said the man’s 38-year-old female companion remained hospitalized with the virus in Manila, according to the Associated Press.

The Philippines has enacted a temporary ban on non-Filipino travelers from China and its autonomous regions. Other countries, including the U.S., also have implemented restrictions on foreigners arriving from China in a bid to contain the spread of the virus.
The man who died in the Philippines and his companion were both from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak that has killed more than 300 people and sickened more than 14,000 in China, according to reports.
He was admitted to a hospital in Manila on Jan. 25 and developed severe pneumonia soon after, Reuters reported.

Both he and the woman arrived in the Philippines after traveling through Hong Kong on Jan. 21, Philippine health officials said.
In recent days the man’s condition had been stable “and showed signs of improvement,” but worsened in the hours leading up to his death, Health Secretary Francisco Duque said.

“We are currently working with the Chinese embassy to ensure the dignified management of the remains according to national and international standards to contain the disease,” Duque said, according to Reuters.
Duque added that investigators were seeking information about the health of other passengers on the flights that the couple took to reach the Philippines.

Meanwhile, six officials in Huanggang, a city near Wuhan, have been fired for “poor performance” in addressing to coronavirus outbreak, China’s Xinhua News Agency reported.
The city’s mayor said its response has been inadequate and the officials failed to address a shortage in medical supplies, the AP reported.

Seven countries – the U.S., Australia, Germany, Japan, South Korea, the United Emirates and Vietnam – reported new cases of coronavirus on Saturday, while Spain reported its first case, the AP reported.

Britain, Russia and Sweden have also reported their first infections, according to Agence France-Presse.

The U.S., Australia, New Zealand and Israel have each banned foreigners from entering if they have been in China recently, while Russia, Mongolia and Nepal have closed land borders, AFP reported.





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#1230800 - Mon Feb 03 2020 06:51 PM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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As of 3 February 2020, approximately 19,843 cases have been confirmed,[4][16] including in every province-level division of China.[4] The first confirmed death occurred on 9 January[17] and since then, as of 3 February 2020, 426 deaths have been confirmed.[4] A larger number of people may have been infected, but not detected (especially mild cases).[18][19] The first local transmission of the virus outside China occurred in Vietnam from a father to his son,[20] whereas the first local transmission not involving family occurred in Germany, on 22 January, when a German man contracted the disease from a Chinese business visitor at a meeting near Munich.[21] The first death outside China was reported in the Philippines, where a 44-year-old Chinese male citizen confirmed to have contracted the coronavirus, Streptococcus pneumoniae and influenza B died on 1 February.[22][23]

In response, Chinese cities with a combined population of over 57 million people, comprising Wuhan and 15 other cities in the surrounding Hubei province, were placed on full or partial lockdown, involving the termination of all urban public transport and outward transport by train, air and long-distance buses.[24][25][26][27] Many New Year events and tourist attractions have been closed to prevent mass gatherings, including the Forbidden City in Beijing and traditional temple fairs.[28] Hong Kong also raised its infectious disease response level to the highest level and declared an emergency, closing its schools until March and cancelling its New Year celebrations.[29][30]

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#1230801 - Mon Feb 03 2020 07:35 PM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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World Health Organization (the WHO)




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#1230802 - Mon Feb 03 2020 07:38 PM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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The Who





(My first thought on seeing the acronym.)

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#1230985 - Thu Feb 13 2020 08:06 AM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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For about 2 weeks, new cases of Coronavirus in China seemed to be increasing at a lower rate and showing signs of containment. Late last night, China increased its diagnosed cases by 15,000 in a single day, with 254 deaths in a single day. Which again indicates China has not been forthcoming about how truly widespread and uncontrolled the virus is.

China still won't allow CDC medical teams into the country to see what the true situation is.

Gordon Chang, interviewed by Lou Dobbs on Monday, let on that there is panic in Chinese cities, and (video shown) of Chinese officials going into people's homes and forcibly removing infected citizens with brutal force to an internment location, likely taking them somewhere to die in mass numbers out of public view. And that the number of cases could be two, three or even ten times the official number of cases reported by China.

I've been aware for some time that virtually every product is maanufactures in Coronavirus-infected China. A great deal of our packaged food, probably only fresh fruit and vegetables are grown domestically in the U.S., or maybe Mexico. The virus could come in on other products such as hardware or lumber or electronics. Or transmitted by those who deliver these items into U.S. shipping ports.
It will cause, and already has, a cataclysmic decline in China's economy. And will likely cause a decline in the U.S. economy by about 1%. Needless to say, many U.S. businesses are very reliant on Chinese suppliers. For both health and economic reasons, more reasons to return manufacturing to the U.S., to end U.S. reliance on maanufacturing from China, and to secure our borders from illegal immigration. So as not to leave the U.S. so exposed to an outbreak, or to a break in manufacturing supply again. And likewise, thank God we are now oil-independent for the first time in 70 years. We need to be manufacturing-independent and food-independent, pharmaceuticals-independent and electronics-independent as well.

On the plus side, the disease is expected to peak and level off in new cases by April, after which the hot weather should reduce new cases. Apparently pneumonia-type viruses don't survive and spread as well in hot weather.


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#1230986 - Thu Feb 13 2020 08:44 AM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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I just re-watched this Vincent Price movie, The Last Man On Earth about 2 weeks ago, at the peak of the outbreak concern. At least for now, it seems to be contained with 98% of the cases in China. But a movie about a global death-plague was a little close to home when I saw it at that time.

[full movie posted and viewable on Wikipedia: ]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LAST_MAN_ON_EARTH_with_Vincent_Price_1964_HD_-_CC_available.webm

Based on the novel I Am Legend by Richard Matheson, and he wrote the screenplay for the movie under a pseudonym.
Also re-made as The Omega Man in 1971 with Charleton Heston.
And again as I Am Legend in 2007 with Will Smith.

Wikipedia posts quite a few older and obscure movies online in their entirety, apparently with expired copyrights.


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#1231069 - Tue Feb 25 2020 01:05 PM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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President Trump is the one who made the decision to not allow any Chinese travel to the U.S., which was met with the usual rounds of "no, no, that's excessive, prejudicial, ractist, etc..."

But then Trump did it anyway, protecting the nation.
And every other nation in the world followed suit. Which has done a lot to contain the virus' spread to remain about 98% within China alone. And allegedly the virus had its peak of new cases in China from Jan 23rd and Feb 2nd.
If that turns out to be true, I'll breath a deep sigh of relief when that turns out to be the case.

The only cases so far in the U.S. have been quarantined recent travelers returning from China, and the largest number of those flown back to the U.S. after having been quarantined for two weeks prior aboard a Japanese cruise ship, that in tight quarters spawned a number of cases.

And then in the last 3 days, a sudden explosion of new cases in South Korea (the largest outbreak outside China, 1,000 infected, 10 dead), in Italy (about 200 infections, and a few deaths), and Iran (like China, very unforthcoming, an estimated 95 infections and maybe 16 or more deaths). With no explanation of a clear path how the disease spread to any of these 3 nations.
If the Coronavirus outbreak is mostly in one nation, or just a few, we can prevent its spread by restricting travel to the U.S. from those nations. If it spreads to 20 or 50 or 100 nations, it gets much harder to restrict travel from that many nations.

Tucker Carlson had a rather alarming program last night (Monday, 2-24-2020), even though he was just calmly trying to present the facts of what is possible, that we should prepare for the worst, just in case. By Carlson's account, the news media across the rest of the world is very focused on Coronavirus and warning people what to do. Whereas the U.S. media is oddly silent on the subject, and fixated on another reprisal of "Russia is trying to steal the 2020 election for Trump!!" Yet another overture of the lying Trump is a Russian asset narrative.

It's chilling to think of what would be happening to this country right now if Hillary Clinton or some other establishment Republican were president the last 3 years. There would not have been a ban on Chinese travel, and there would be a lot more cases of Coronavirus in the U.S., perhaps an uncontrollable number.
And without Trump's example, other nations of the world would not have followed that example, and the Coronavirus would not be almost exclusive to China.

Likewise, Trump started a trade war with China about a year ago, and as a result, many companies formerly doing all manufacturing in China had in advance moved much of their manufacturing outside of China to nations like Vietnam, India, the Phillipines, and Indonesia. Thank God!
Under Hillary Clinton or some establishment Republican, we would still be almost 100% dependent on China as our supplier. Thanks to Trump, that dependency was vastly diminished right before this virus hit.

Also to consider, we get our surgical masks and latex gloves, our over-the-counter and prescription drugs from China. 80% of both our parmaceuticals and the ingredients they are made from are in China. Melissa Francis, Dr. Marc Seigel, and others have described this as a potential national security threat to the U.S..
What if China exhausts those supplies fighting their own outbreak, then has none to send us, and we have an outbreak without those supplies?
Likewise, the potential break in supply of electronics we now depend on from China.

As seen on Monday when the stock market crashed, closing down 1,031 points for the day, this has become not only a health crisis, but also an economic crisis.
Over the last month, it has already crippled China's economy.

Now, with the spread to South Korea, Italy and Iran, it becomes far more questionable whether the virus outbreak can be contained. From Italy with open borders to the E.U., it could easily spread to the rest of Europe. THAT is what made the stock market crash, that it will endanger trade and exports from Europe in addition to China.

And Iran, that has a terrible healthcare system and a dishonest government, is one that is most likely not to contain its outbreak and let it spread to other nations.
The more nations it spreads to, the more likely it will reach the United States. And U.S. hospitals are preparing for that risk. What some, including Anthony Fauci of the National Institute of Health, are seeing as an inevitability at some point. A vaccine for Coronavirus is forseen as about a year to 2 years away.




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#1231070 - Tue Feb 25 2020 01:48 PM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Tucker Carlson [9pm] - Feb 24, 2020

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#1231071 - Tue Feb 25 2020 02:11 PM Re: Coronavirus outbreak in China [Re: Wonder Boy]
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February 16, 2020: Senator Cotton Joins Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Bartiromo



Sen. Tom Cotton on why he's in favor of a 'targeted travel ban' to contain coronavirus


Senator Cotton has been vocal about the fact that the food market in Wuhan that is where the Coronavirus outbreak allegedly spread from animals to humans, is about 4 miles from a viral research lab. Over the weekend, Chinese propaganda media finally ran a story that said the market is NOT the source of the outbreak, but have not yet admitted it was leaked either on purpose or by accident from that lab.

Another story I saw said that test animals from the lab when their usefulness is ended, are often sold as meat secretly for extra money by lab technicians!

China still has not allowed CDC or WHO or NIH doctors in to investigate the origins of the virus, or to see China's records tracking the disease.
Sen Cotton said today that "What we see from China are not the new cases each day, but the carefully selected old cases they are willing to acknowledge." That the number of infections and deaths in China is likely far beyond what the Chinese government is willing to disclose.


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