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You do seem to have a fan there with Sideways
Yeah, Sideways IS in love with me--- he's like a lonely lil' puppy starved for my attention and approval. (patting Sideways on his balding pate) Good boy, S. Now fetch daddy his slippers and I'll give you a nice "chew-bone" to munch on...
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Dave, what are you thinking posting actual content on here? Can't you see there's a mindless flame (npi) war going on? ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
Sammitch, what are you thinking showing your pretty little bleeding twat around here? We vicious, immoral, decadent hound dogs will rip you apart like the poor, defenseless mother's lil' darling that you are! ![[mwah hwah haa]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Yeah.
I need some of you guys to write stuff for my website so I have some diverse opinions.
I bet Batwoman would let you borrow that wicked bitchin' christian rock song she so kindly shared with all of us here a while back for your snazzy lil' website, Dawson.
And Wonder Davey would probably contribute a few Jack T. Chick comics from his personal collection, too! :lol:
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[/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]You do seem to have a fan there with Sideways [/qb][/QUOTE]Yeah, Sideways IS in love with me--- he's like a lonely lil' puppy starved for my attention and approval. (patting Sideways on his balding pate) Good boy, S. Now fetch daddy his slippers and I'll give you a nice "chew-bone" to munch on... [/QB][/QUOTE]
:lol: One of those high maintenance twinks in the making! Thank goodness for cats!
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You know, if I didn't think it before, I'm sure of it now. You are on some serious drugs Mater. That scripture you just posted, clearly is about friendship NOT homosexual lovers as your aluding to. They talked about that in church not too long ago. The message was called "Becomming a Selfless Friend". The Bible does not say these two men were lovers. That's just a fine example of how you are reading into things. And that kiss that you're reading into was on the cheek as in a common thing with people of the Middle East. I should know. quote:
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John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
1 Samuel 18
This chapter gives an account of the respect shown to David by Saul and Jonathan, by the servants of Saul, and all the people, and of what was said in his praise in the songs of the women, 1 Samuel 18:1; which latter gave Saul a great offence, and upon which he envied him, and eyed him, and indeed sought his life, and removed him from him; and yet still he continued the darling of the people, behaving wisely among them, which greatly embarrassed Saul, that be knew not what to do, 1 Samuel 18:8; he proposed his eldest daughter to him in marriage, which he had a claim to by killing the Philistine, and then he cheated him by giving her to another, 1 Samuel 18:17; and then he offered his youngest daughter to him, on condition that he would bring him an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, execution of which he thought his life would be exposed to danger, which yet he performed, 1 Samuel 18:20; and having the affection of his wife, and the good esteem of the servants of Saul, Saul was more afraid of him, and became his enemy, 1 Samuel 18:28.
Verse 1. And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul,.... In answer to his questions about his descent and family, and doubtless more things were talked of than are recorded:
that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David: he won his heart, made a conquest of his affections, these went out towards him, and cleaved unto him; such were the comeliness of his person, his graceful mien and deportment, his freedom and fluency of expression, his courage and undauntedness, joined with prudence, modesty, and integrity, that they strongly attached him to him:
and Jonathan loved him as his own soul; not only according to the excellency of David's soul, and the greatness of it, as that deserved respect and love, as Abarbinel suggests, but he loved him as he loved himself. There was a similarity in their persons, in their age, in the dispositions of their minds, in their wisdom, courage, modesty, faithfulness, and openness of soul, that attracted them to each other, that they became as another self; as one soul, as Aristotle speaks {r} of true friends: instances of very cordial friendship are given by Plutarch {s}, as in Theseus and Pirithous, Achilles and Patroclus, Orestes and Pylades, Pythias and Damon, Epaminondas and Pelopidas; but none equal to this.
Verse 2. And Saul took him that day,.... Not only into his favour, and into his service, but into his court; even on that very day he slew the Philistine, or however as soon as it could be done:
and would let him go no more home to his father's house; as he used to do before; when he only served as a musician to him, then he was only at court when Saul was in a melancholy disposition, and wanted him, and so was going and returning, and in the intervals kept his father's sheep, 1 Samuel 17:15; but now he would not suffer him to attend such business any longer, since he was not only to become a courtier, and be made a prince or noble, but to marry his daughter, according to the declaration he had made, with respect to any man that should kill Goliath.
Verse 3. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant,.... A covenant of friendship; entered into a solemn agreement to keep up and maintain a cordial respect to each other, and to support each other's interest both in life and after death, whoever was the survivor; and in consequence of this David had a friend at court, when Saul fell out with him, and who pleaded his cause, and discovered his father's plots, and was the means of preserving David's life:
because he loved him as his own soul; so that this covenant was not founded in mere words, but in sincere and cordial affection, and was lasting and inviolable.
Verse 4. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that [was] upon him,.... As a token of his hearty love and true friendship, and that David might appear at court not in the habit of a shepherd, but in that of a prince:
and gave it to David, and his garments; his other garments besides his robe, and so clothed him from tip to toe, and which fitted him; for as there was a similarity in their souls, and the disposition of them, so in the make and hulk of their bodies, and in the stature of them:
even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle; these he gave him to accoutre himself with, that he might appear as a soldier, as well as like a prince, and as another Jonathan, or rather the same; that they might seem as one, as alike in body, so in garb and habit.
Verse 5. And David went out whithersoever Saul sent him,.... About any business whatsoever, especially about martial affairs, for which he was abundantly qualified:
[and] behaved himself wisely; in the management of them, using great prudence and discretion, and so failed not of success, and of recommending himself; the Targum renders it "prospering"; he was prosperous and successful in whatsoever he engaged, for the Lord was with him, and blessed him:
and Saul set him over the men of war; that is, of some of them, gave him the command of a troop; for Abner was captain or general of the army, and continued so:
and he was accepted in the sight of all the people; of all the people in the land in general, of all that knew or heard of him; being looked upon as a wise, valiant, and successful commander, and which gained him the esteem and affection of the people:
and also in the sight of Saul's servants; which was very much, and a rare thing, for servants are too apt to envy such as are rising in their credit and reputation; though this must not be understood of all, without exception; but of the generality of them; nor is the word "all" used of them, as is of the people; for some of them took the part of Saul afterwards against David, and were secretly his enemies, see
1 Samuel 18:22.
Verse 6. And it came to pass, as they came,.... The armies of Israel, with their commanders at the head of them:
when David was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine; either from the slaughter of Goliath, with his head in his hand, going to Jerusalem, and Saul accompanying him; or rather from the slaughter of the Philistines at some other time, the singular being put for the plural; since, according to the order of the history, this seems to be done after David was brought to court, and had been made a captain, and had been sent out on military expeditions, and had been successful therein, and from one of which he now returned:
that the women came out of all the cities of Israel; through which they passed:
singing and dancing; as were usual after great victories obtained, and deliverances wrought, the female sex being generally greatly affected with such things; since when things go otherwise they suffer much, and their fears rise high in time of battle; and when victory goes on their side, it gives them great joy, and which they used to express in this way:
to meet King Saul; the commander-in-chief, with his other officers, and David among the rest:
with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of music; with pipes or flutes, which they both blew with their mouths, and played on with their hands, and other musical instruments exciting joy; the last word is, by the Targum, rendered, "with cymbals;" and so the Septuagint version; it signifies a musical instrument of three cords, according to Kimchi; and others, as Ben Gersom, understand it of principal songs, in which things wonderful, excellent, and honourable, were spoken of: see Exodus 15:20. Such sort of women were among the Romans called Cymballatriae and Tympanistriae {t}, who shook the cymbals, and beat upon tabrets and drums at times of rejoicing.
Verse 7. And the women answered [one another] as they played,.... They sung vocally to their instruments, and that by turns, one rehearsing one line or verse in the song, and then the other another:
and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands; which, if to be referred to the battle in the preceding chapter, as it commonly is, must be understood thus, that though Saul, in pursuit of the Philistines, slew many thousands of them, and David but one, even Goliath; yet the slaying of him was the occasion of slaying ten thousands, and therefore it is ascribed to him: but it seems rather that in some after battles David had been more prosperous and victorious than Saul, and therefore superior commendations are given him by the author of the song the women sung; which, however just it might be to give them, was not wise, since it served to irritate their king, as follows.
Verse 8. And Saul was very wroth, and the saying displeased him,.... Partly because they called him plain Saul, and not King Saul; did not give him his royal title, which might serve to strengthen his suspicion, after suggested; and chiefly because they attributed a greater number of slain to David than to him, as follows:
and he said, they have ascribed unto David ten thousands, and to me they ascribed [but] thousands; and so had given more honour to an inferior officer than to the commander-in-chief, more to a subject than to a sovereign:
and [what can] he have more but the kingdom? there is nothing left out of their song, and nothing remains to be given him but that; some think that Saul knew, by the prudent behaviour of David, and the favour he was in with God and men, and by these commendations of the women, that the kingdom would be his; and that the words of Samuel were true, and would be confirmed, that the kingdom would be rent from him, and given to his neighbour better than he. This clause, with 1 Samuel 18:9, is left out of the Greek version, according to the Vatican copy.
The rest of the chapter can be found at the following link: Classic Bible Commentaries Courtesy of E-Word Today
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Yeah, Sideways IS in love with me--- he's like a lonely lil' puppy starved for my attention and approval. (patting Sideways on his balding pate) Good boy, S. Now fetch daddy his slippers and I'll give you a nice "chew-bone" to munch on...
You're still flattering yourself, muleshoot.
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And the message at church can be found here: Becomming a Selfless Friend You'll have to scroll down to the page to the Lean on Me series. The date was 2/23/03.
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A bit harsh there Batwoman. I would hardly call it clearly friendship. They love each other more than their own souls =2 guys = Friends (?) Yeah well anytime I've seen that, the 2 friends end up buying a home together.
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Best friends.....you've never hugged or cried for a best friend? In america we don't kiss but elsewhere they do. And it didn't say jonathan dropped his loin cloth.
They were torn by family, by god's blessing on david, and their friendship was basically doomed..as Jonathan said basically that their families would never be able to co-exist and they wept...The love those two shared is contrasted to the evil Saul had in his heart...
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Best friends.....you've never hugged or cried for a best friend? In america we don't kiss but elsewhere they do. And it didn't say jonathan dropped his loin cloth.
They were torn by family, by god's blessing on david, and their friendship was basically doomed..as Jonathan said basically that their families would never be able to co-exist and they wept...The love those two shared is contrasted to the evil Saul had in his heart...
If this story occurred outside the Bible would you be surprised to see loin cloths coming off? Hugging as a greeting yes but beyond that its usually foreplay IMHO
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Your reading of these verses from 1 Samuel , Matter Eater Man, are, again, false and misrepresentative. Saul was then king of Israel. Jonathan his son. David is a shepherd, and Jesse is David's father. Jonathan had a close friendship with David, DEFINITELY not to be confused with a homosexual relationship, as you imply. What possible scholarly justification do you have for such a skewed interpretation? Jonathan's giving of his tunic and personal items to David, and particularly his weapons, including his sword, indicates submission and loyalty to David's authority, and symbolically (as well as literally) indicates that he recognizes David's authority over King Saul's, and points to David as the future king of Israel. Jonathan has made this manifestation of loyalty, despite the fact that it undermines Jonathan's own accession to the throne of Jonathan's father, King Saul. Saul is outraged and jealous, because Jonathan has chosen David over Saul as the rightful authority, even at the loss of Jonathan's own accession to the throne. Saul was interested in his own personal ambition, not serving God, and in contrast, David's courage and selflessness earned Jonathan's loyalty, even over his own legagy to be king, and even over Jonathan's loyalty to his own father, King Saul. A kiss between men in ancient times, and even in many parts of the world today (on the cheek usually) is often a sign of friendship and not sexual in nature. When Judas betrayed Jesus to the Romans, he did so with a kiss as the signal, and when the Romans saw the kiss, it identified which was Jesus, so the Romans could swarm in and arrest him. It certainly didn't indicate that Jesus and Judas had a homosexual relationship, any more than David and Jonathan were homosexuals. You also --to the misrepresentative advantage of your flawed argument-- omit sections within the same paragraph of 1 Samuel that discuss David's courtship and marriage to one of Saul's daughters (verses 20-27) Here are ALL the verses, together in their full context: http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1SAM+18&language=english&version=NIV Verses 12-16 make clear the reason for Saul's jealousy is clearly NOT a belief that his son is a homosexual. It is because David is popular and favored and revered, by all of Israel, by God, and by Saul's own son Jonathan. quote:
Samuel 18, verses 12-16:
12 Saul was afraid of David, because the LORD was with David but had left Saul.
13 So he sent David away from him and gave him command over a thousand men, and David led the troops in their campaigns.
14 In everything he did he had great success, because the LORD was with him.
15 When Saul saw how successful he was, he was afraid of him.
16 But all Israel and Judah loved David, because he led them in their campaigns.
Once again, your reading of this as homosexual in nature goes against scripture throughout the Bible, that CONSISTENTLY makes clear the Bible's (and God the Father's, and Jesus') condemnation of homosexuality, in both the Old and New Testaments.
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A bit harsh there Batwoman. I would hardly call it clearly friendship. They love each other more than their own souls =2 guys = Friends (?) Yeah well anytime I've seen that, the 2 friends end up buying a home together.
Actually it's not considering how many pages you and other have sat here and twisted scripture to suit your own needs. Do you honestly think we're not sick and tired of it by now? You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
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Best friends.....you've never hugged or cried for a best friend? In america we don't kiss but elsewhere they do. And it didn't say jonathan dropped his loin cloth.
They were torn by family, by god's blessing on david, and their friendship was basically doomed..as Jonathan said basically that their families would never be able to co-exist and they wept...The love those two shared is contrasted to the evil Saul had in his heart...
If this story occurred outside the Bible would you be surprised to see loin cloths coming off? Hugging as a greeting yes but beyond that its usually foreplay IMHO
Believe it or not, there are people in this day and age that are best friends, same sex, and NOT homosexual. Again you're reading things into the Bible that only your own little gay agenda.
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If this story occurred outside the Bible would you be surprised to see loin cloths coming off? Hugging as a greeting yes but beyond that its usually foreplay IMHO
But it DID occur in the Bible, and the context is clear, to anyone not deliberately attempting a selective interpretation.
Again, the "gay couple" reading you present here is not only untrue, but also completely inconsistent with the rest of the Bible.
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Pig Iron and Batwomanamy, I just wish to acknowledge you answered some of the points I raised in my response.
I was reading from page 16 then, and am now up to date with your responses as well.
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[/qb][/QUOTE]You do seem to have a fan there with Sideways [/qb][/QUOTE]Yeah, Sideways IS in love with me--- he's like a lonely lil' puppy starved for my attention and approval. (patting Sideways on his balding pate) Good boy, S. Now fetch daddy his slippers and I'll give you a nice "chew-bone" to munch on... [/QB][/QUOTE]
:lol: One of those high maintenance twinks in the making! Thank goodness for cats! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Cats RULE!!!
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As for me, I've come to realise that there is no point in arguing this further.
Having thought about it, there is no reason to accept the Bible as an authority over the Tale of Gilgamesh (which is more ancient), the Qu'ran (which at least was delivered by on angel's command, rather than subject to human edit), or the latest Incredible Hulk tpb (which has fewer inconsistencies).
At the end of the day, the fundamental argument the Christian debaters mount is "Because the Bible says so". Lacking faith, I can't accept this as a valid or convincing proposition.
In any event, I think Dave has said that he sees no reason why a gay legal marriage shouldn't be allowed, just not a Christian gay marriage.
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Fortunately for the two of us, I get may facts straight. The only place in the world a woman can be an Anglican/Protestant priest right now is in Australia.
or the usa, or canada, or the czech republic, or england, or hong kong, etc.
this site refers to female priests in the netherlands, switzerland, south africa, and more.
it certainly is still a "shocking" concept to most "old school" religious individuals, but the suprise is fading. i think its kinda silly that its still being upheld as rigorously as it is -- especially at a time when the catholic church is claiming low numbers.
Shit, well there you go. I am out of touch.
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Gay or not gay?
1 Samuel 18
1Â Â Â And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
2Â Â Â And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
3Â Â Â Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
4Â Â Â And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
Later on Saul gets a bit pissed about this "friendship" that his son is in.
30Â Â Â Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?
31Â Â Â For as long as the son of Jesse liveth upon the ground, thou shalt not be established, nor thy kingdom. Wherefore now send and fetch him unto me, for he shall surely die.
They even kiss at some point in there. Friends or Lovers?
That's quite funny.
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A bit harsh there Batwoman. I would hardly call it clearly friendship. They love each other more than their own souls =2 guys = Friends (?) Yeah well anytime I've seen that, the 2 friends end up buying a home together.
Actually it's not considering how many pages you and other have sat here and twisted scripture to suit your own needs. Do you honestly think we're not sick and tired of it by now? You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Look out, gang--- Batwoman is getting pissed.
Here's my imitation of Batwoman throwing a hissy fit (just think of Ned Flanders and his family from "The Simpsons" and you'll be pretty close):
"Fiddlesticks!" Batwoman's brow furrows in righteous anger as she looks up from her 800 piece jigsaw puzzle of "The Last Supper".
"Those bunch of awful, immoral... immoral... oh, i'll just come out and say it, 'cuz the truth will stand when the world is gone, praise gawd! Those bunch of awful, immoral booty-bandits are making me so mad by actually having the cheek to think that THEY can serve God, too! The nerve of those hell-bound sissies! I mean, really!" Batwoman stomps her foot down with authority, nods her head at no one in particular, and then resumes working on her puzzle.
Ta-Dahhhh!
My next performance will be a scene involving Davey and his Mail-Order Bride. (Wonder-Load has given up on "modern" American women--- they're just too darn opinionated and sassy for him! )
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Hey Matt - chill out, man.
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At the end of the day, the fundamental argument the Christian debaters mount is "Because the Bible says so". Lacking faith, I can't accept this as a valid or convincing proposition.
Bingo.
I said pretty much the same thing a few pages ago, in fact.
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Hey Matt - chill out, man.
Awwww! Do I have to, Daddy? It's just so much fun teasing the testy Fundies an' junk! (Sheepishly sweeping foot back and forth in the dirt. ) ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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Yeah.
I need some of you guys to write stuff for my website so I have some diverse opinions.
I bet Batwoman would let you borrow that wicked bitchin' christian rock song she so kindly shared with all of us here a while back for your snazzy lil' website, Dawson.
And Wonder Davey would probably contribute a few Jack T. Chick comics from his personal collection, too! :lol:
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Are you trying to piss me off? :lol: You're almost as much of a failure there as you are at proving a point! You're nothing but a pathetic little nuisance. Spout your filth all you want, because I am sitting here laughing my head off the whole time.
I seriously considered calling you out, but then I realized you wouldn't have any idea what to do. It might be too much for you to handle. I actually listen to what klinton, Matter-Eater Man, and the others have to say, because they're actually not a waste of my time.
Oh, no! He called me Dawson and insulted my website! I'm crushed! I better go away before he taunts me a second time!
Get over yourself, you little punk. I've got better things to do than bother with pseudointellectual gutter trash like you.
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Oh my, what happened to this thread? :lol: :lol:
[/QUOTE]I've already re-explained what I said so I wont bother to repeat myself. I will say this, however, not once did I say anything about Christian's bashing anyone, or saying anything negative against anyone. My point was, Christians can't say anything about their faith or beliefs with out someone coming over and calling us closed minded hatemongers, yet anyone that isn't a Christian, or doesn't agree with us, can say whatever they want. Now tell me that's not hypocritical. And before anyone will say I'm lying I'll tell you a true story that happened in my journal.
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Generally speaking when one defends their religion/G-d somewhere along the line one ends up putting another group down or judging the lifestyle another leads, etc. because it doesn't fall in line with the dictates of one's particular religion. And while the intent may or may not be to insult or hurt, it usually ends up doing that nonetheless. That is what people are usually responding to or defending themselves from.
And as for your belief that people who disagree with Christianity saying whatever they want and getting away with it scot free - I beg to differ. Anytime anyone says anything against or contraversial about anyorganized religion there is bound to be a backlash or at the very least some labelling involved. The degree of what happens all depends on the forum in which one chooses to speak.
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Good stuff, harley. And no, I wasn't taking shots at you earlier.
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my oh my, lookit this lil thread here. matt, silly, relax a lil. or at least bring the more harshities over to the offensive forum. y'dont havta agree with anyone or even make sense (lookit animalman!), but at least try n'keep things a tad more civil in hizzah. quote:
Originally posted by Dave:
In any event, I think Dave has said that he sees no reason why a gay legal marriage shouldn't be allowed, just not a Christian gay marriage.
which, i think, is the best point (cuz its mine, from page 1!)
a religion is a private club -- they're allowed to make up the rules of their organization like that. somethings bad? ... god says so! pork is the devil? ok! pray on this mat 11 times a day? sure! whatever. if thats what they think god said, so be it. its their choice.
but, with the gubment (specifically the US's), i can't see a legal justification to disallow same sex marriages. the US gov doesn't have the luxury of assigning what god you believe in, if you believe in one at all.
they shouldn't be allowed to disallow marriages anymore than they're allowed to disallow friendships.
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One thing I learned from reading this is that I originally thought Matt just flamed christians. But no he flames everyone who doesn't agree with either him or his message delivery style . Atleast matt's consistennt...
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Originally posted by Captain Sammitch:
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Originally posted by Matt Kennedy:
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Originally posted by Captain Sammitch:
Yeah.
I need some of you guys to write stuff for my website so I have some diverse opinions.
I bet Batwoman would let you borrow that wicked bitchin' christian rock song she so kindly shared with all of us here a while back for your snazzy lil' website, Dawson.
And Wonder Davey would probably contribute a few Jack T. Chick comics from his personal collection, too! :lol:
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Are you trying to piss me off? :lol: You're almost as much of a failure there as you are at proving a point! You're nothing but a pathetic little nuisance. Spout your filth all you want, because I am sitting here laughing my head off the whole time.
I seriously considered calling you out, but then I realized you wouldn't have any idea what to do. It might be too much for you to handle. I actually listen to what klinton, Matter-Eater Man, and the others have to say, because they're actually not a waste of my time.
Oh, no! He called me Dawson and insulted my website! I'm crushed! I better go away before he taunts me a second time!
Get over yourself, you little punk. I've got better things to do than bother with pseudointellectual gutter trash like you.
Trying to piss you off??? Not at all! Dude, isn't it obvious that I just love you to pieces?!!?
You are such a brave, wonderful, and special little man. (pinching one of Dawson's sweet apple-blossom cheeks) kootchie-koo! ![[humina humina]](graemlins/love.gif)
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Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
my oh my, lookit this lil thread here.
matt, silly, relax a lil. or at least bring the more harshities over to the offensive forum.
y'dont havta agree with anyone or even make sense (lookit animalman!), but at least try n'keep things a tad more civil in hizzah.
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Originally posted by Dave:
In any event, I think Dave has said that he sees no reason why a gay legal marriage shouldn't be allowed, just not a Christian gay marriage.
which, i think, is the best point (cuz its mine, from page 1!)
a religion is a private club -- they're allowed to make up the rules of their organization like that. somethings bad? ... god says so! pork is the devil? ok! pray on this mat 11 times a day? sure! whatever. if thats what they think god said, so be it. its their choice.
but, with the gubment (specifically the US's), i can't see a legal justification to disallow same sex marriages. the US gov doesn't have the luxury of assigning what god you believe in, if you believe in one at all.
they shouldn't be allowed to disallow marriages anymore than they're allowed to disallow friendships.
I'll try harder to be good, Rob. ![[who, me?]](graemlins/whome01.gif)
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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
One thing I learned from reading this is that I originally thought Matt just flamed christians. But no he flames everyone who doesn't agree with either him or his message delivery style . Atleast matt's consistennt...
Word up, Piggie! You're right--- I AM a consistent asshole.
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Originally posted by Matt Kennedy:
Look out, gang--- Batwoman is getting pissed.
Here's my imitation of Batwoman throwing a hissy fit (just think of Ned Flanders and his family from "The Simpsons" and you'll be pretty close):
"Fiddlesticks!"...
No, I think Batwoman will just kick your ass. In fact, I'll help. Hosing everyone off failed, now it is time for violence.
Batwoman, perhaps we should teach Matt (who needs to change his sig) the other meaning of 'turing the other cheek[/i]. Just a thought.
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Back to what this thread was supposed to be about... quote:
From Yahoo Top Stories - AP:
Bush: Gay Marriage Ban May Not Be Needed
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Wednesday that a constitutional ban on gay marriage that has been proposed in the House might not be needed despite a Supreme Court decision that some conservatives think opens the door to legalizing same-sex marriages.
"I don't know if it's necessary yet," Bush said. "Let's let the lawyers look at the full ramifications of the recent Supreme Court hearing. What I do support is a notion that marriage is between a man and a woman."
Bush's words were aimed at calming members of the GOP's right wing, who are upset about the Supreme Court decision, said Patrick Guerriero, director of the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay advocacy group. "I think what you're seeing is a momentary time-out from the radical right's temper tantrum," he said.
In striking down a Texas law that made homosexual sex a crime, the Supreme Court on June 26 overturned its earlier ruling that said states could punish homosexuals for having sex.
Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia fired off a blistering dissent of the ruling.
The "opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions, insofar as formal recognition in marriage is concerned," Scalia wrote. The ruling specifically said that the court was not addressing that issue, but Scalia warned, "Do not believe it."
The Supreme Court's decision was a broad ruling addressing privacy, and gay rights groups are saying they will use it to push for more legal rights.
"We have a powerful new weapon in our legal battles on behalf of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people, but the impact of this ruling also stretches well beyond the walls of our nation's courtrooms," Kevin Cathcart, director of New York-based Lambda Legal, a gay rights advocacy group, said Wednesday in announcing a new online resource that maps out how the group will use the ruling to win full recognition of same-sex relationships, among other things.
Legal authorities are also combing the decision to see what its impact will really be on other gay rights issues.
"I don't know that there is any clear assessment — that anybody has at this point — about the legal ramifications of a just-made decision," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said.
The president was asked about whether he supported a federal constitutional amendment that would define marriage as a union between a man and a woman during an impromptu news conference that followed his announcement of a new global AIDS ambassador.
Rep. Marilyn Musgrave, R-Colo., was the main sponsor of the proposal offered May 21 to amend the Constitution. It was referred on June 25 to the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution.
To be added to the Constitution, the proposal must be approved by two-thirds of the House and the Senate and ratified by three-fourths of the states.
On Sunday, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the Supreme Court's decision on gay sex threatens to make the American home a place where criminality is condoned. He said he supported the proposed constitutional amendment to ban homosexual marriage in the United States.
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Originally posted by Cowgirl Jack:
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Originally posted by Matt Kennedy:
Look out, gang--- Batwoman is getting pissed.
Here's my imitation of Batwoman throwing a hissy fit (just think of Ned Flanders and his family from "The Simpsons" and you'll be pretty close):
"Fiddlesticks!"...
No, I think Batwoman will just kick your ass. In fact, I'll help. Hosing everyone off failed, now it is time for violence.
You got that right. After all, there's a reason why we call my older brother Batman. And he and I fought like cats and dogs growing up. So I know how to fight and I dogged bullets in high school. So I'm not a sissy girl like Kennedy thinks I am. I'm just ignoring him.
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Good. And I can send for my man-bitch Hawkman. It's all good. Now...where's my mace...
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![[whaaaa!]](eek01.gif) Duck and cover! Matt, forget about me and Piggy. If you know what's good for you you'll quit now. ![[gulp!]](gulp.gif)
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We don't need no Hawkman or Batman to help us...I just recharged the mace and sharpened the knives.
Now...where is the bunny boy?
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No, bunny-boy's ass is mine! No one steals my avator. Now everyone thinks I'm a big sissy! I've defeated Zod, for Pete's sake. I have a reputation!
Hey Matti, there are some chocolate-covered raisins on you floor. Compliments of the Easter bunny's evin twin.
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Please, I wouldn't waste Batman's time with this one.
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