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A Jordanian woman has hacked her 26-year-old daughter to death in her sleep with an axe for giving birth out of wedlock, the Jordan Times reported.

The 69-year-old mother and another daughter turned themselves in to police after Saturday's killing, claiming they had acted to cleanse the "family honour", the paper said, quoting official sources on Sunday.

They were charged with premeditated murder, the sources said.

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the G-man said:
Mother axes daughter to death in Jordan 'honour killing'

A Jordanian woman has hacked her 26-year-old daughter to death in her sleep with an axe for giving birth out of wedlock, the Jordan Times reported.

The 69-year-old mother and another daughter turned themselves in to police after Saturday's killing, claiming they had acted to cleanse the "family honour", the paper said, quoting official sources on Sunday.

They were charged with premeditated murder, the sources said.

It seems as if, every few weeks or months, we hear about some Muslim killing his or her daughter for having sex out of wedlock. Conversely, however, I can't recall the last time that even an evangelical Christian did the same thing.

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r3x29yz4a said:
Yeah there are terrorists who are muslim, there's also the ira, and those guys in wyoming and montana with bunkers and guns, and you could argue the israelis do terrorist acts.
no religion of the big 3 is free of fringe evil elements.

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r3x29yz4a said:
You have to consider that the middle east is a very harsh section of the world. things are different due to the history and the geography as much as the religion. the chinese sometimes drown their daughters in rivers.
i'm not defending either practice, but i think its rather biggoted for you to pick out a story and then use it to attack a religion.

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the G-man said:

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r3x29yz4a said:
Yeah there are terrorists who are muslim, there's also the ira, and those guys in wyoming and montana with bunkers and guns, and you could argue the israelis do terrorist acts.
no religion of the big 3 is free of fringe evil elements.

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r3x29yz4a said:
You have to consider that the middle east is a very harsh section of the world. things are different due to the history and the geography as much as the religion. the chinese sometimes drown their daughters in rivers.
i'm not defending either practice, but i think its rather biggoted for you to pick out a story and then use it to attack a religion.

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A religion is composed of ideas and beliefs. If ideas or beliefs are repugnant or dangerous they deserve criticism.

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Matter-eater Man could have just as easily said:
Does anyone really takes [me] seriously since (I) make those types of denounciations [against Republicans] all the time?

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WBAM's alt ID that uses a spell checker said:
blah blah blah

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Matter-eater Man said:
Does anyone really takes wbam seriously since he makes those types of denounciations all the time?

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r3x29yz4a said:its the middle east governments that are the problem, you can't make the blanket statement that all muslims want to overthrow the U.S. Its just silly and bigotted.

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the G-man said:

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r3x29yz4a said:its the middle east governments that are the problem, you can't make the blanket statement that all muslims want to overthrow the U.S. Its just silly and bigotted.

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I haven't made that statement.

I've criticized tenets of Islam which I believe are dangerous or wrongheaded. I've criticized the faith and its followers for allowing themselves to be co-opted by "holy men" who use those, and similar, tenets to justify acts of evil.

I agree with your statement that the Islamic governments are a problem. However, it must also be noted that often those governments use religion as a basis for what they do.

For example, the leader of Iran has made it clear that his nation's recent acts have been in response to his belief in jihad.

Granted, you can find Christians who do similar things but, I would submit, the same numbers aren't there.

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the G-man said:
You can't seriously blame Bush for this. Islamist terrorists have been targeting victims, and the U.S., since well before his presidency.

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And while we defend Israel, which is only fitting since it is the only democracy in the middle east, we have often tried to get them to make concessions to the Palestinians.

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Steve T said:
The G-Man always wins. Don't ever question The G-man.

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Captain Sammitch said:
Everybody settle the fuck down! That's an order!

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Calmer than you are.

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the G-man said:
Even if you magically get a cease fire between Israel and every other middle eastern country, how will that stop honor killings, which are murders of young women for failing to remain suitably chaste under Islamic law.

Especially when such killings occur in Islamic nations not located in the middle east, for example, Indonesia?

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Pariah said:

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the G-man said:
Even if you magically get a cease fire between Israel and every other middle eastern country, how will that stop honor killings, which are murders of young women for failing to remain suitably chaste under Islamic law.

Especially when such killings occur in Islamic nations not located in the middle east, for example, Indonesia?

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that's not how you write a fake reply.

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Try to put this into context! The religion that's situated in that region is just in the middle of a harsh section of the world. So you can't judge it so scathingly G-bitch.

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i don't think i can remember asking to have anything put into context. also i never use the word scathingly, it seems too gay.
see, my point that you're trying to mock is that the region is harsh and if it were christians there as the dominant faith, then they would be brutal too because the bible has just as many things about violence and killing as the koran does.
my problem is with the assertion that islam itself is violent and hellbent on killing everyone. if that were the case then something big and a worldwide fullscale war would've happened by now.
from the muslims i've known, they said jihad is more about fighting invaders, not terrorism against non-believers outside your home. meaning they must see us as invaders and a threat to them. i think we should look at the motives of people to understand things better.

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Chant said:
I think we can all agree that the notion that Islam is a religion of peace is a tad bit over-exxagerated!

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klinton said:
No we can't. It's no more or less violent then Christianity. The misconception comes in when one forgets to take into account the place of priveledge that Christians have in American society. They are a dominent force in the world (at the present moment). Were they in a similar underdog position as Muslims, there actions wouldn't be so different (as history can attest to).

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In Britain, a recent poll commissioned by TV documentarians discovered that nearly a third of young Muslim men agreed that the deadly bombings in England's subway and bus system in July 2005 "were justified because of British support for the war on terror."

Another survey, by The Times of London, found that 13 percent of Muslims of any age - the great majority of them of Pakistani origin - felt the bombers were "martyrs."

A HARDLINE cleric linked to Somalia's powerful Islamist movement has called for Muslims to "hunt down" and kill Pope Benedict XVI for his controversial comments about Islam.

Sheikh Abubukar Hassan Malin urged Muslims to find the pontiff and punish him for insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah in a speech that he said was as offensive as author Salman Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses.

"We urge you Muslims wherever you are to hunt down the Pope for his barbaric statements as you have pursued Salman Rushdie, the enemy of Allah who offended our religion," he said in Friday evening prayers.

"Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Malin, a prominent cleric in the Somali capital, told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu.

"We call on all Islamic Communities across the world to take revenge on the baseless critic called the pope," he said.

Reached by telephone on Saturday, Malin confirmed making the remarks that were echoed in less strident form by other senior clerics in the Supreme Islamic Council of Somalia (SICS).

An elderly Italian nun who devoted her life to helping the sick in Africa was shot dead by two gunmen at a hospital Sunday in an attack possibly linked to worldwide Muslim anger toward Pope Benedict XVI and his recent comments on Islam.

Sister Leonella, 65, was shot in the back four times by pistol-wielding attackers as she left the Austrian-run S.O.S. hospital. Her bodyguard was also slain.

There was no claim of responsibility for the attack, which came just hours after a leading Somali cleric condemned the pope's remarks last week on Islam and violence.

Two churches in the West Bank were set on fire, following five incidents in the West Bank and Gaza on Saturday, when five churches were firebombed and fired at.

In some quarters, there were signs the Pope's remarks in Castelgandolfo were enough to draw a line under the affair. The second most senior leader of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said he accepted the clarification.

But, elsewhere, firebrand Islamic preachers continued to milk the crisis for all it was worth. In the holy city of Qom, in Iran, a hardline cleric, Ahmad Khatami, told hundreds of demonstrators that the Pope and President Bush were "united in order to repeat the Crusades".

"If the Pope does not apologise, Muslims' anger will continue until he becomes remorseful," he went on. "He should go to clerics and sit and learn about Islam."

Protests were also reported in India and Turkey.

In response to the Pope's suggestion that Islam might not be a peaceful religion, as if that's a news flash, Muslims murder an elderly Italian nun at the Children's Hospital in Somalia by shooting her in the back three times. They attack Christians and their churches, burn American flags and western leaders in effigy, all to prove just how peaceful and civilized they really are.

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the G-man said:
Somali cleric calls for pope's death

A HARDLINE cleric linked to Somalia's powerful Islamist movement has called for Muslims to "hunt down" and kill Pope Benedict XVI for his controversial comments about Islam.

Sheikh Abubukar Hassan Malin urged Muslims to find the pontiff and punish him for insulting the Prophet Mohammed and Allah in a speech that he said was as offensive as author Salman Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses.

"We urge you Muslims wherever you are to hunt down the Pope for his barbaric statements as you have pursued Salman Rushdie, the enemy of Allah who offended our religion," he said in Friday evening prayers.

"Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Malin, a prominent cleric in the Somali capital, told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu.

"We call on all Islamic Communities across the world to take revenge on the baseless critic called the pope," he said.

Reached by telephone on Saturday, Malin confirmed making the remarks that were echoed in less strident form by other senior clerics in the Supreme Islamic Council of Somalia (SICS).

Nun killed after Pope's speech

An elderly Italian nun who devoted her life to helping the sick in Africa was shot dead by two gunmen at a hospital Sunday in an attack possibly linked to worldwide Muslim anger toward Pope Benedict XVI and his recent comments on Islam.

Sister Leonella, 65, was shot in the back four times by pistol-wielding attackers as she left the Austrian-run S.O.S. hospital. Her bodyguard was also slain.

There was no claim of responsibility for the attack, which came just hours after a leading Somali cleric condemned the pope's remarks last week on Islam and violence.

Pope's apology fails to placate Muslims as violence goes on

Two churches in the West Bank were set on fire, following five incidents in the West Bank and Gaza on Saturday, when five churches were firebombed and fired at.

In some quarters, there were signs the Pope's remarks in Castelgandolfo were enough to draw a line under the affair. The second most senior leader of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said he accepted the clarification.

But, elsewhere, firebrand Islamic preachers continued to milk the crisis for all it was worth. In the holy city of Qom, in Iran, a hardline cleric, Ahmad Khatami, told hundreds of demonstrators that the Pope and President Bush were "united in order to repeat the Crusades".

"If the Pope does not apologise, Muslims' anger will continue until he becomes remorseful," he went on. "He should go to clerics and sit and learn about Islam."

Protests were also reported in India and Turkey.

Canada Free Press

In response to the Pope's suggestion that Islam might not be a peaceful religion, as if that's a news flash, Muslims murder an elderly Italian nun at the Children's Hospital in Somalia by shooting her in the back three times. They attack Christians and their churches, burn American flags and western leaders in effigy, all to prove just how peaceful and civilized they really are.

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