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Giuliani fee for speaking at tsunami charity...Can't say what is worse, him charging a fee to a charity or them paying it. That type of thing really gives charitable groups a bad name.
John Edwards Gets $55G for Poverty Speech
John Edwards has an example to teach University of California at Davis students how to avoid poverty — charge $55,000 for a speech.
That's how much the 2008 Democratic presidential candidate negotiated for his fee to speak to 1,787 people at the taxpayer-funded school in January 2006, according to financial disclosures.
According to Joe Martin, the public relations officer for UC Davis' Mondavi Center, the fee for a speech entitled, "Poverty, the Great Moral issue Facing America," was worth it to school officials.
Martin told The San Francisco Chronicle that the center paid Edwards because at the time "he wasn't a (presidential) candidate and from our point of view, he was a speaker of interest that people in the community were clearly interested in ... we feel it's our mission to present those speakers."
The speaking fee, which amounts to about $31 per audience member, was the highest Edwards earned in nine appearances last year at colleges and universities. In all, he earned $285,000 for the nine speeches.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with candidates charging speaking fees. However, I know that it outrages certain posters here when it happens.
Or at least when it happens with Republicans. 
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Colleges are not the same thing as charities. Then again perhaps it works differently in your America 
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Both colleges and charities are not-for-profit entities to which donations are tax deductable.
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So just to clarify because of those similarities you feel colleges & charities are the same thing?
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I think a more interesting issue is your willingness to split hairs when the person commanding the huge speaking fee is a democrat.
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It was an easy question G-man. Your call of hypocrisy is based on them being the same thing. Do you think a Katrina victim would feel the same about the big bucks Rudy made off of Katrina compared to Edwards charging a speaking fee? What you claim is splitting hairs is actually a big difference to me.
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This is almost too painful to read anymore. 
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This is almost too painful to read anymore.
Perhaps you should flit on over to the Hillary thread & declare her a bitch. That seems to usually cheer you up.
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It's the Goldberg av, isn't it?
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It's the Goldberg av, isn't it?
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It was an easy question G-man. Your call of hypocrisy is based on them being the same thing. Do you think a Katrina victim would feel the same about the big bucks Rudy made off of Katrina compared to Edwards charging a speaking fee? What you claim is splitting hairs is actually a big difference to me.
I'd have to side with MEM on this. An academic institution has a different mission than a charity. Edwards, whether you agree with him politically or personally, contributed to the interest of the university, which is not to give relief to victims of a natural disaster. A charity, whose purpose is to raise funds for people/causes, spending money on a speaker is completely different from an academic institution, whose purpose is more to educate, inform, and/or spark thought, doing the same.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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This is almost too painful to read anymore.
Perhaps you should flit on over to the Hillary thread & declare her a bitch. That seems to usually cheer you up.
Not even stating the obvious in an amusing fashion would do much to clear the digital flatulence of your mindless partisan drivel from my message-board nostrils.
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Just wanted to help perk you up Cap.
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The Washington Times reports that Edwards even creeps out John "Lurch" Kerry: Bob Shrum, the famed consultant to a string of failed Democratic presidential candidates, including Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004, seems determined to embarrass his former client and current presidential hopeful John Edwards in the forthcoming book "No Excuses: Confessions of a Serial Campaigner," the New Republic's Michael Crowley writes at www.tnr.com
Mr. Shrum's book "repeatedly portrays Edwards as a hyper-ambitious phony," Mr. Crowley said.
For example, Mr. Shrum says Mr. Kerry had qualms about choosing Mr. Edwards to be his presidential running mate in 2004, but grew "even queasier" after Mr. Edwards said he was going to share a story with Mr. Kerry he had never told anyone else — that after his son, Wade, had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home and hugged his body and promised that he would do all he could to make life better for people.
"Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before — and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else. Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again."
Mr. Shrum says that, in the end, Mr. Kerry "wished that he'd never picked Edwards, that he should have gone with his gut" and selected former Rep. Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri.
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The Washington Post: In his new memoir, "No Excuses: Concessions of a Serial Campaigner," [Robert Shrum, the veteran Democratic strategist,] recalls asking Edwards at the outset of that campaign, "What is your position, Mr. Edwards, on gay rights?"
"I'm not comfortable around those people," Edwards replied, according to Shrum. He writes that the candidate's wife, Elizabeth, told him: "John, you know that's wrong." Funny. You would think someone who spends as much time around hairstylists as Edwards does would be very comfortable around homosexuals.
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In his new memoir, "No Excuses: Concessions of a Serial Campaigner," [Robert Shrum, the veteran Democratic strategist,] recalls asking Edwards at the outset of that campaign, "What is your position, Mr. Edwards, on gay rights?"
"I'm not comfortable around those people," Edwards replied, according to Shrum. He writes that the candidate's wife, Elizabeth, told him: "John, you know that's wrong."
Funny. You would think someone who spends as much time around hairstylists as Edwards does would be very comfortable around homosexuals.
So how much time do you think he spends with hairtstylists? I mean getting an expensive haircut doesn't require that much more time than a cheap haircut.
Also, what did you think when Anne Coulter called him a faggot?
Or when Bush and the GOP tried to pass a law banning gay marriage?
Wouldn't that be more detrimental to gays than Edwards not feeling comfortable about gays (note he didn't say anything about gay rights)?
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[what about] when Bush and the GOP tried to pass a law banning gay marriage?
Clinton, not Bush, signed the "defense of marriage act" into law.
What happened? Couldn't find a "youtube" clip to explain this?
Maybe you should go back to googling. 
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Ray is probably referring to Bush & the GOP's attempt to amend the constitution. They may have gotten to if Clinton hadn't nipped their wedge issue in the bud.
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So...it was okay for Clinton to ban gay marriage because that "nipped [a republican] wedge issue in the bud"?
How do you sleep at night, Chris?
Seriously. Do you swallow Lunestas like M&Ms? Or just guzzle a pint of vodka?
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I'm not the one who has to personally attack posters, I sleep fine.
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So...it was okay for Clinton to ban gay marriage because that "nipped [a republican] wedge issue in the bud"?
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Yeah I thought Clinton was pretty clever that way.
And remember kids, the GOP wants a constitutional amendment.
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How do you sleep at night, Chris?
Seriously. Do you swallow Lunestas like M&Ms? Or just guzzle a pint of vodka?
C'mon we'd all like to know.
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So...it was okay for Clinton to ban gay marriage because that "nipped [a republican] wedge issue in the bud"?
I think the point he's making is that Clinton signed it into law, blocking the GOP from doing a constitutional amendment. It's easier to repeal a law than an amendment.
Sort of choosing the lesser of two evils.
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How do you sleep at night, Chris?
Seriously. Do you swallow Lunestas like M&Ms? Or just guzzle a pint of vodka?
Wow. Sorry if you feel persecuted or see this as gay bashing. I support your right to marry the man of your dreams, G-man.
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...Clinton signed it into law, blocking the GOP from doing a constitutional amendment. It's easier to repeal a law than an amendment.
And, by the same token, its easier to PASS a law than an amendment. Much, much, easier.
Therefore, Clinton, with a stroke of a pen, did in one day what it would have taken Bush years to do, if at all. He effectively banned gay marriage.
Apparently, therefore, banning gay marriage is okay with Chris as long as a democrat is the one that bans it.
That's hypocrisy.
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So...it was okay for Clinton to ban gay marriage because that "nipped [a republican] wedge issue in the bud"?
I think the point he's making is that Clinton signed it into law, blocking the GOP from doing a constitutional amendment. It's easier to repeal a law than an amendment.
Sort of choosing the lesser of two evils.
Yeah it pretty much took it away from the GOP. They've tried reworking it but Clinton pretty much made gay marriage a non-issue.
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So something that hurts your fellow gays is okay as long as it helps elect democrats.
For your own safety, Chris, you might want to not brag about this one down at the local gay bar. Not everyone is going to be impressed by your hypocrisy.
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The gay bars must be different in my area than yours G-man.
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They like hypocrites in the ones you frequent?
Seriously. I can't help but note that you aren't denying the hypocrisy in your statements. I guess I'm not surprised. If there's one thing you've been consistent about, its excusing, or even applauding, actions by democrats that you would condemn from Republicans.
I guess I just hoped when it involved your own rights that you wouldn't be such a whore for the party.
Which brings me back to my earlier question: what sort of sleep aid do you use? I can't believe that you are so self-deluded that you actually can live with yourself.
And are you worried about becoming addicted?
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I explained it, Ray explained it. If you want I can certainley repost it again.
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I explained it, Ray explained it. If you want I can certainley repost it again.
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So...it was okay for Clinton to ban gay marriage because that "nipped [a republican] wedge issue in the bud"?
I think the point he's making is that Clinton signed it into law, blocking the GOP from doing a constitutional amendment. It's easier to repeal a law than an amendment.
Sort of choosing the lesser of two evils.
Yeah it pretty much took it away from the GOP. They've tried reworking it but Clinton pretty much made gay marriage a non-issue.
Right.
You and Ray are both perfectly OK with Democrats voting for anti-gay legislation, so long as it steals conservative votes away from Republicans, in a total abandonment of pro-gay/liberal principles.
We get it.
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I explained it, Ray explained it. If you want I can certainley repost it again.
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So...it was okay for Clinton to ban gay marriage because that "nipped [a republican] wedge issue in the bud"?
I think the point he's making is that Clinton signed it into law, blocking the GOP from doing a constitutional amendment. It's easier to repeal a law than an amendment.
Sort of choosing the lesser of two evils.
Yeah it pretty much took it away from the GOP. They've tried reworking it but Clinton pretty much made gay marriage a non-issue.
Right.
You and Ray are both perfectly OK with Democrats voting for anti-gay legislation, so long as it steals conservative votes away from Republicans, in a total abandonment of pro-gay/liberal principles.
We get it.
I guess it's clear how you & others want to portray it. I can't speak for all gay people but I prefer having a law that gives individual states the right to decide the gay marriage issue than having anti-gay language written into the constitution. If there was a case of having neither I would of course prefer that but we all know that the GOP wouldn't leave the issue alone. For the last 6+ years I've watched the party try to get our constitution changed. That didn't happen because of Clinton. If there had been no Defense of Marriage Act there would have been more people willing to put anti-gay language into our constitution.
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