Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy


How is that different from the what the DNC, the Hillary Clinton campaign (Christopher Steele/Fusion GPS/Ukraine/direct agents of Russian intelligence), and what Democrat senators Leahy, Durbin and Menendez did, that I linked above?
The only Trump supporters who are voicing doubts are the Establishment/never-Trumpers in the GOP who have previously never missed a similar opportunity to attack Trump.
Trump still has an unprecedented 95% support from his Republican base, who are not buying it, and are not leaving Trump.

As Kim Strassell of the Wall Street Journal said, there is nothing Democrats are accusing Trump of, that the Democrats themselves have not done, and egregiously more so.



That's bullshit. Hiring somebody to dig up dirt is not the same thing as using the office of the presidency to ask foreign countries to investigate your biggest political rivals. That is corruption in its purest form. But because it's Trump you can't even call it for what it is. And I think there's more to it than Trump doing that given the lengths he's trying to obstruct the inquiry.


That is your Democrat side's spin of it, whose talking points you are repeating.

But is's laughable to say, because the only way you can make the argument is by ignoring that the DNC, and Hillary Clinton campaign and Obama officials directly spent paid million to Russian intelligence officials through Fusion GPS and a British MI-6 foreign agent, Christopher Steele. And further through Hillary Clinton partisans (James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Rod Rosenstein) backchannelled that Russian dirt propaganda to investigate Hillary Clinton's biggest political rival and to submit perjury false information for FISA warrants against Trump officials !
HOW DO YOU GET AROUND THAT ?!?

Rudy Giuliani can be argued to be gathering information independently as the president's personal attorney, to exonerate his client, the president, with exculpatory evidence that has not otherwise been made available, by pro-Hillary/DNC forces in the DOJ and FBI, who haave suppreseed it, even when the Ukranian government offered it, REPEATEDLY!
So Giuliani was going directly to the Ukranians to bypaass that Deep State filter at FBI and DOJ.

And Trump's phone call (fully disclosed, in an unprecedented level of presidential openess) makes that clear: that what your government offerred us before, we would like you to give us again, there is new management at DOJ (William Barr) and this time we will not ignore it, as partisan Deep State obstructionists have in the past.
Only by Democrat selective disclusure, half-truths and outright lies (Rep. Adam Schiff being the poster-boy for that!) Do Giuliani and Trump's actions take on a sinister appearance.

As opposed to the obvious sinister intent of Joseph Biden, Hunter Biden, Fusion GPS/Christopher Steele, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and the threatening letter to Ukraine by Democrat Senators Leahy, Durbin and Menendez to the Ukranian government extorting dirt on Trump to help the Hillary Clinton campaaign! On and on, on the Democrat side. And these people, you don't even want investigated. Just amazing, the hypocrisy and selective enforcement you advocate.