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Karl Hungus said:
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Muslim clerics don't consider blowing up non-combatants as Murder, because the enemies are all supposed to convert or die. They are all enemies. Non-combatants are not supposed to be "targets" of any "Christian " nation's army/military, because it goes against our laws and most citizens' religious laws. some Muslim nations do not necessarily have those laws, because all citizens of those foreign powers are considered combatants. Hence, a lone Muslim can be sanctioned to blow up women and children in a coffee shop, and not consider it evil-or therefore murder.

Actually Islam does not support the killing of any innocent.
These people have perverted their faith by saying a Bush-esque "with us or against us" black or white mentality so that they can justify anyone not on their side as being an enemy.

Jihad isn't a holy war, a muslim friend explained it as basically strong faith and the struggle against temptation and corruption. It too has been perverted by these radicals to say that the same rules that allow them to kill a man who is invading their home can also allow them to kill anyone who is against them. But even then they often have their own views and justifications, same as we do.
I think both the chickenhawks here and the radicals there need to stop being so damn rigid and conservative and religious. Then we'd probably be able to work this out.


Blame it on America... again. Despite the facts.

As I already said elsewhere( Islamic ignorance topic, page 3), quoting Al Qaida's own 1998 Declaration of Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, no less, Islamic faith isn't "perverted" by Al Qaida.
Quite the opposite, it is very consistent with Koran scripture, and quotes the Koran, chapter and verse.

It is also consistent with Islam's long history of conversion by conquest.

The islamic belief is that there is no such thing as innocent Westerners. All Westerners supply tax money to U.S. and Israeli "oppression" of violent Islamic people (who are in truth the aggressors who started it, not westerners, and whose violent actions simply forced the West to respond).

And unarmed Westerners, including children, are also regarded as targets, because they grow up to become soldiers of the West, or contribute more supportively to the Western economy, feeding U.S. military power through paying taxes, and through passive endorsement of U.S. middle East policy.

And it isn't an abberant isolated strain of Islam, Al Qaida is cheered on for its terrorism against the U.S. by between 30 and 50 percent of the population in most Islamic countries.

Jihad is a struggle, yes. It can be a spiritual internal struggle. But it can also be violent fanatical military conflict against non-muslims. And it often is, despite what you choose to partisanly believe, contrary to the facts.