Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man

i think that we should always aim for a good working government that helps the people. just because we have to suffer through the worst president ever currently doesn't mean we should just accept that the government will always be fucked up and give up.
the government already looks out for our health by monitoring food, drugs, pollution and even police and fire and the FBI are all meant to protect lives. what exactly is the problem with them paying for healthcare as well? that way we all have health care. and if done right (which we should aim for) then it wouldn't be run like g-man suggests. it wouldn't measure whether or not to pay for treatment based on cost, but on medical opinion. because the government wouldn't run it like a business needing to make a profit like private insurance companies do.


I can accept that as a reason, though I cannot agree with it. It relies heavily on ideology more than practicality. An ideology that you are sometime unable to extend in other areas yourself. I think the facts of government disprove your assessments of the situation. I also, personally, find it hard to believe that you can put that amount of faith in the same government whose decisions you've been rallying against.

There's a big difference between maintaining the overall safety of the country and getting into a business (which healthcare is and always will be until doctors, nurses, technicians, lab workers, and drug companies all decide to stop taking paychecks and lawyers decide to stop suing). The FDA creates a level of quality as well as provides information about what people are consuming to protect the public and allow them to make their own decisions based on the facts. The FBI pursues those who have violated the laws of the federal government. That's a big difference than them making the decisions as to what form of medical treatment they will allow you to undergo.

Also, as I've said before, if you want socialism on a state and local level, that's up to you and the people in your area (after all, they are the ones who run the police and fire departments). But that doesn't mean that your form of government is going to suit me in my part of the country.

whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."