Theres a new rule that says superhero films have to be full of foreigners!
Batman
Gordon
Alfred
Scarecrow
Ra's
Bullseye
Doc Oc
Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Mystique (ok she is American,but her parents are Dutch)
Magneto
Prof X
Jean Grey
Rogue (Canadian,grew up in New Zealand)
William Stryker
Toad
Nomak (Blade II)
Asad (Blade II)
Mr.Freeze
Juggernaut (rumoured)
The Joker Is a Virgin? Steve Carrell addresses those Batman rumors! by Stax August 5, 2005 - The chit-chat these days around the Internet water cooler is that Steve Carrell (TV's The Daily Show, Anchorman) is in the running for the role of The Joker in the next Batman movie.
Carrell's first leading role in a feature film is in The 40-Year-Old Virgin, which opens August 19th. Carrell also is attached to star in the big-screen remake of Get Smart, which is being produced by Batman Begins' Charles Roven.
Batman-on-Film first reported that Warner Bros. "wants to get someone relatively known, and can do comedy and drama. One guy brought up the idea of Steve Carell ... and the studio is starting to like the idea." BoF adds, however, that "Carell is not one of the actors who are being screentested [for the role of The Joker] this Fall or early Winter."
IGN FilmForce attended a press junket today for The 40-Year-Old Virgin and here's what Carrell himself had to say about The Joker buzz. "I just heard that for the first time this morning and I had no… Yeah! That would be hilar– I would love to do that! But I doubt that it's true. (Laughs) ... No, he's [possibly producer Charles Roven] never said anything about that, so I think that's probably completely fabricated. But I love it. I love the rumor. That would be cool. (laughs)"
So there you have it.
BoF adds "that one of the 'big names' said to be in the mix to play The Joker, isn't. ... 'Don't look for another 'Nicholson' situation this time,' a sourced informed BOF. The actor(s) that is/are getting a screentest – according more than one BOF source – would not be considered a 'star' or a 'big name' per se."
The thesps most oft-mentioned for The Joker nowadays are Sean Penn, Paul Bettany and unknown Lachy Hulme.
Alright, so all these people look good with face paint on. Can we at least have Mark Hamill do the voices for them? He was, is and always will be the Joker voice that I hear in my mind when I read the comics.
On a side note, I seriously think that Enzyte Bob has been infected by the Joker, even if he's not the Joker himself. Enormous penis or not, that guy is way to happy to be psycologically stable.
Quote: Killconey said: Alright, so all these people look good with face paint on. Can we at least have Mark Hamill do the voices for them? He was, is and always will be the Joker voice that I hear in my mind when I read the comics.
Quote: Killconey said: Alright, so all these people look good with face paint on. Can we at least have Mark Hamill do the voices for them? He was, is and always will be the Joker voice that I hear in my mind when I read the comics.
I disagree with everything you wrote here.
That would explain why Hamill is the voice in my head instead of the voice in yours. Any thoughts on who your Joker voice is?
Sorry. I'll clarify. The purpose of my comment was to highlight the fact that photomanipulations alone do not necessarily qualify an actor or actress to portray said character in a film. While photomanipulations are pretty and fun to look at, they are entirely one dimensional due to the fact that they are not only a single moment in time, but also only a representation of the physical attributes of the actor or actress. Thus, I commented that all of the candidates do indeed look passible as the Joker and thus can serve as an adequate freeze frame into his character. Except for Enzyte Bob, who frightens me on any occasion.
My comments regarding Hamill were designed to highlight his successful run on the popular shows Batman the Animated Series and Batman and Robin. I personally thought that his voice acting was amazing and showcased many elements of the Joker's character. Thus, he has more credibility when it comes to the Joker than others.
I reviewed the posts and still couldn't find who your preference was for the Joker. I've given mine and you disagreed with it. I'm only a simple n00b. Please enlighten me.
I reviewed again and discovered that you already enlightened me. Mayhaps it is time for bed so I can read more carefully tomorrow.
Quote: Uschi said: I also think the three Joker options do NOT look good in the Joker makeup and should not be chosen.
Wait a tic, didn't you post several of those options? Were those pictures designed to sway us away from those actors or to inspire us to select those actors?
I find this image genuinely creepy, which is how I've always viewed the Joker (moreso than Morrison's 'delightfully camp' character from "Rock of Ages"). While I still think Adrien Brody should play the role, I love this look for the character!
Quote: Chewy Walrus said: I especially like the scarred nature of the smile. It really seems to fit the feel that Christopher Nolan was trying to get to in the first film.
I agree it makes sense to have his face all wacked out, but not like that. It was apparently supposed to be Joker slicing his face open after getting bleached and shit. Somehow I don't see THE Joker doing that. Plus, as he has been established up to now in the comics, he's quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.
Quote: Uschi said: I also think the three Joker options do NOT look good in the Joker makeup and should not be chosen.
Wait a tic, didn't you post several of those options? Were those pictures designed to sway us away from those actors or to inspire us to select those actors?
Neither. It was intended to show what they looked like in photo-manips posted elsewhere. I didn't know who any of those actors were, nor did I have any idea what they looked like. It was for me and anyone else who might be a tad lazier.
Quote: Killconey said: Sorry. I'll clarify. The purpose of my comment was to highlight the fact that photomanipulations alone do not necessarily qualify an actor or actress to portray said character in a film. While photomanipulations are pretty and fun to look at, they are entirely one dimensional due to the fact that they are not only a single moment in time, but also only a representation of the physical attributes of the actor or actress. Thus, I commented that all of the candidates do indeed look passible as the Joker and thus can serve as an adequate freeze frame into his character.
This is what I disagree with. The photomanips are for me to judge by, the acting is for the director and casting director to decide on. The three current 'pics' are not to my aesthetic satisfaction.
Quote: My comments regarding Hamill were designed to highlight his successful run on the popular shows Batman the Animated Series and Batman and Robin. I personally thought that his voice acting was amazing and showcased many elements of the Joker's character. Thus, he has more credibility when it comes to the Joker than others.
I agree that Hamill does a good animated character voice. I do not, however, think the movie ought to employ a voice-over. That would seriously detract from the movie. As Hammil cannot possibly pass as Joker physically I'd say he's so far out he'll have to take a bus to return to the same continent. As for being the 'ultimate' Joker voice I also disagree. In my head Joker's always had a unique voice. Although Hamill works for a cartoon I cannot hear him as the "real" Joker. It's too... fake. Too contrived and forced.
Of the three options I might be able to see Paul Bettany - if he can act. He seems like he might be able to pull off a sort of DKR Joker look. Aside from that I think the two best aesthetically Jokeresque options are the Dr.Who guy (my current favorite as he can do the eyes and smile) and Crispin Glover (although I haven't seen his smile, he plays a good psychotic and has the other physical features - hight, too skinny, etc.). They won't have the right guy unless my pants are wet by the end of the program.
Quote: Uschi said: [The Joker is] quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.
See, in my mind the Joker should just be absolutely horrifying. The comics with the Joker that I love are the one's where he's doing something absolutely insane for no rational reason... because there is no rationale in his mind. I'm not sure I would have a problem with the Joker mutilating himself personally... but I can see how other fans would. It's just the differences in our Joker preferences...
Quote: Uschi said: [The Joker is] quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.
See, in my mind the Joker should just be absolutely horrifying. The comics with the Joker that I love are the one's where he's doing something absolutely insane for no rational reason... because there is no rationale in his mind. I'm not sure I would have a problem with the Joker mutilating himself personally... but I can see how other fans would. It's just the differences in our Joker preferences...
That's 'cause to you he only has to be scary like a monster. To me he has to be scary like a REAL monster - like Ted Bundy type shit. Ladies man full to busting with maggots and flotsom.
Quote: Cripsin Glover told BLOODY-DISCUSTING.COM the following regarding his connection to the role of The Joker:
"The rumors that he will play the Joker in the next Batman were also shot down. According to Crispin, they are strictly internet based but he would love the opportunity to do it. He hopes that the buzz might rub off on the studio."
According to BOF sources, Glover is not in the screentesting mix. As I've reported previously - and Glover seems to confirm - his association with the role is a product of fan speculation. In BOF's recent "Who should play The Joker" poll, Glover came in third taking in 17% of the votes cast...
Quote: "Expect some 'official' news from the studio around the time the DVDs come out [Oct. 18]."
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And Roven denies rumors he's searching for a new, younger Joker for the film: "The Internet has the Joker cast already," Roven says shaking his head. "The 'Net has also cast the Riddler. It's just all rumors. ... The truth is we haven't even decided who will be the next villain."
He says the nod to the Joker in the current movie "was our way of tipping our hats to the very first Batman movie [in which Jack Nicholson was the Joker]."
Quote: Sequel confirmation, F/X article
Author: Jett, BOF Staff
Thursday, Septmeber 8, 2005 - 6:21 AM, 7:08 PM CST: Hey y'all, Jett here. I received an email today that confirmed to me that Mr. Nolan will be directing the BATMAN BEGINS sequel after his next film. The latter he is prepping as we speak. THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL ANNOUCEMENT. Sorry I can't be specific as I'm protecting the ID of my source, but trust me on this one. Damn! That info is going to take some steam out of my next op-ed that will be posted this weekend. But I'm certainly glad that Nolan will return - not that I ever thought he wouldn't...
Quote: The Joke's on Hulme and Bettany, The BOF MAILBAG - A Huge Success!
Author: Jett
Saturday, Septmeber 17, 2005 - 7:14 AM, 5:11 PM CENTRAL TIME: Two of BOF's best - and completely unrelated - sources have confirmed for us that Australian actor Lachy Hulme (pronounced "Lock-ee Hewm") and British thesp Paul Bettany are the only actors that BATMAN producers are considering for the role of The Joker - at the momment. One of these two sources also told us that screen tests will indeed take place this fall, although it was unclear if one or both of these actors are testing...
In addition, one of these same sources told BOF that we were "dead on" regarding our report that Mr. Nolan will indeed return to The Cave once he completes his next project - which is said to be THE EXEC for Warner Bros. "Bad news" for me I guess (*Jett laughs his ass off*)...
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So Nolan's there, that's good. Joker, although not explicitly said to be in the next Batman film, is down to either being the DKR version or the 1970's version (going off visuals only).
Robin Williams, Joker? The actor's thoughts on portraying the famous Batman villian.
by Jeff Otto
June 26, 2006 - News of what's happening with the sequel to Batman Begins has been scant of late. Director Christopher Nolan has been hard at work on his Batman Begins follow-up, The Prestige, which re-teams the director with Christian Bale.
Most believe that the director's next film after Prestige will be a sequel to Batman Begins, likely with The Joker stepping into the villain slot.
Many actors have been rumored to play the part, but fan favorites include Paul Bettany and Adrien Brody. Another actor who has been mentioned in connection with the series since way back during casting for The Riddler in Batman Forever is Robin Williams. Of course it helps that the actor has a connection with Christopher Nolan, having starred for the director in Insomnia.
IGN FilmForce spoke to Williams about the possibility this weekend. He was enthusiastic about the prospect.
"Oh God, I'd love to do that one."
Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."
We asked Williams whether he saw The Joker as more over-the-top or dark.
"You can go both," Williams said. "As in madness, there's a lot of ways to go. I think you can really explore how bright and how nasty-funny he is, just like I guess what Kevin [Spacey] did with Lex Luthor, made him really funny, but yet still damaged... As evil is, accessible and yet still horrific. Jump back and forth all the time. I'm kidding... Kidding!"
On the second kidding, Williams gave me a soft poke in the throat with two fingers. Amusing, but a bit surprising.
"See there it is," says Williams. "I saw your eyes go f**k off!"
Williams is an admitted fan of comics and/or graphic novels. "It's interesting now that they're doing, they all kind of realize, with all the adult comic books or graphic novels for those who are trying to upscale themselves... Is that a comic book? No! It's a graphic novel! Is that porn? No! It's adult entertainment!"
"They're making these really interesting pieces and there's a lot of great, great comic books and graphic novels out there that could make wonderful movies. They're looking for them, and it's great... I read this comic book called DMZ [by Brian Wood], which is about New York after kind of a Civil War. Could it happen? Every time the helicopters fly over my house I'm going, 'Welcome to Baghdad!' But it's kind of fascinating, because they treat it like the country's divided. All these cities like Lebanon and Beirut and Baghdad and military zones of control, yet it's still the village and it's still its own. Fascinating concept. That's what's good about alternative forms of literature or stuff that you read..."
Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."
...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...
Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."
...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...
it definitely makes it less scary but if they want to do it right there is only one guy for the job.....Mark Hamill.
Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."
...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...
it definitely makes it less scary but if they want to do it right there is only one guy for the job.....Mark Hamill.
I've heard this a lot, and it seems to me that everyone always forgets that just because Hamill has a great Joker voice for animation, that doesn't necessarily translate very well to an actual live performance.
Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."
...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...
oh yeah. he' s been pushing for Transmet to get made for years. he's dying to play Royce, the editor.
hammill played "cock knocker" -- the over the top villain in an on-screen, on-screen role in "jay and silent bob strike back"
most of it was using his joker voice, which is hands down the greatest portrayal of the joker, ever. the manaiacal and hyesterical bellow followed by that deviously low grumbling laugh... a fucking piece of artwork.
i'd love to see that.
robin williams, i think, is amongst the funniest people of all time, and an amazingly zany every-fucking-second-is-something-different persona that i think would be pretty sweet. like, an aladin's genie gone insane and villainous.
but that could just be half of the visage -- his stone-faced creepy-as-fuck killer persona in nolan's "insomnia" is the legendary stuff of nightmares. what a wonderful twist it would be to bring forth both of those aspects to the joker character in a heartbeat transition.
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: hammill played "cock knocker" -- the over the top villain in an on-screen, on-screen role in "jay and silent bob strike back"
most of it was using his joker voice, which is hands down the greatest portrayal of the joker, ever. the manaiacal and hyesterical bellow followed by that deviously low grumbling laugh... a fucking piece of artwork.
i'd love to see that.
here's my problem with Hamill. Cockknocker is the Hobgoblin is the Joker is the Trickster. All pretty much the same voice/character.
Quote: robin williams, i think, is amongst the funniest people of all time, and an amazingly zany every-fucking-second-is-something-different persona that i think would be pretty sweet. like, an aladin's genie gone insane and villainous.
but that could just be half of the visage -- his stone-faced creepy-as-fuck killer persona in nolan's "insomnia" is the legendary stuff of nightmares. what a wonderful twist it would be to bring forth both of those aspects to the joker character in a heartbeat transition.
Joker Announcement Coming
Cesar Romero, Jack Nicholson and...
by Jeff Otto
July 20, 2006 - After months of speculation about the casting of The Joker in the forthcoming Batman Begins sequel, a large stable of actors have been linked to the part including Jude Law, Robin Williams, Paul Bettany and Steve Buscemi. The Batman rumor mill began churning again this morning and this time it appears that a legit announcement on who will play Batman's arch rival is imminent.
The final verdict? Heath Ledger.
The Latino Review website first reported the news this morning, prompting a slew of websites to follow.
IGN FilmForce looked into the rumor and can confirm, after checking with a number of reliable sources, that it is indeed true. There has been no official confirmation as yet, but we can claim confirmation of the "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" variety.
The final word may come during this weekend's Comic Con 2006 in San Diego, where some sources are claiming that Batman Begins director Christopher Nolan could make an appearance to announce Ledger as The Joker.
Ledger, who has made a career resurgence of late, is generating strong buzz for his upcoming portrayal of Bob Dylan in Todd Haynes' I'm Not There.
After a promising start to his career in The Patriot, Monster's Ball and the hit A Knight's Tale, Ledger was headlining "it" lists everywhere. But a series of flops including The Four Feathers, Ned Kelly and The Order put the actor's career in brief jeopardy.
In 2005, things took a sudden upturn for Ledger, garnering an Oscar-nod for his portrayal of Ennis Del Mar in one of last year's most acclaimed films, Brokeback Mountain. Ledger also received kudos for his amusing portrayal of Skip in Lords of Dogtown.
Stay tuned to IGN FilmForce for more on this story as it develops.
Quote: Prometheus said: ...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...
C'mon, a guy who incorporates as many pop culture references into his act as Williams has "fanboy" written all over him.
You just haven't seen the actual words because they are obscured with all that body hair.
Jim Carrey is another one. I remember when he was doing interviews for "Batman Forever", there was one he did with Val Kilmer and the rest of the cast in Rolling Stone.
One of the questions was "who is the great love of Batman's life." And Carrey answered "his dead parents."
I always thought it was a shame that Carrey hadn't been the Joker originally.
Batman Sequel Title Announced And Warners confirms Joker casting. by Stax
July 31, 2006 - Warner Bros. has announced the title of the next film in the Batman franchise. The Dark Knight will be the name of the Chris Nolan-directed flick. And the studio confirms that Heath Ledger will play the role of The Joker. An official press release is expected on Tuesday, so watch for more news!
The confirmation comes after rumors had begun to circulate online that Ledger was reluctant to sign on to play The Clown Prince of Crime.
In other news, The Batman-on-Film.com website reiterates the rumor that the next Batman movie will feature multiple villains, namely Joker and The Penguin. The latter will reportedly be reconceived for the film as "a British arms dealer/mob boss with designs on Gotham."
And who is said to have been offered the role of The Penguin? Nolan reportedly wants previously rumored candidate Philip Seymour Hoffman, who ironically beat Heath Ledger in this past year's Oscar race for Best Actor. Like Ledger, however, Hoffman is said to be reluctant to join the sequel.
Finally, a BoF report claims that Ryan Phillippe is in the running for the role of D.A. Harvey Dent, a.k.a. the future Two-Face. Phillippe appeared in last year's Best Picture, Crash, and will next be seen in Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Fathers.
Quote: And the studio confirms that Heath Ledger will play the role of The Joker. An official press release is expected on Tuesday, so watch for more news!
Quote: In other news, The Batman-on-Film.com website reiterates the rumor that the next Batman movie will feature multiple villains, namely Joker and The Penguin. The latter will reportedly be reconceived for the film as "a British arms dealer/mob boss with designs on Gotham."
Ummmmm...okay....
Quote: And who is said to have been offered the role of The Penguin? Nolan reportedly wants previously rumored candidate Philip Seymour Hoffman...
Ummmmm...okay....
Quote: Finally, a BoF report claims that Ryan Phillippe is in the running for the role of D.A. Harvey Dent, a.k.a. the future Two-Face. Phillippe appeared in last year's Best Picture, Crash, and will next be seen in Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Fathers.
I can live with the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker, but think that Joe Mama is, if anything, too subdued in his reaction to Ryan Philippe as Two Face.
Isn't Two Face supposed to be as big, if not bigger, than Bruce Wayne? Ryan Philippe looks barely taller than his wife, Reese Witherspoon
Quote: the G-man said: I can live with the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker, but think that Joe Mama is, if anything, too subdued in his reaction to Ryan Philippe as Two Face.
Isn't Two Face supposed to be as big, if not bigger, than Bruce Wayne? Ryan Philippe looks barely taller than his wife, Reese Witherspoon
Liev Schrieber should be Harvey Dent.
I don't have the energy to say what I truly think about Heath Ledger as Joker and Ryan Phillippe potentially as Harvey Dent. But you're right, Harvey is at least comparable in size and build as Bruce - Ryan is the type who would get his lunch money stolen and get back at the bully by writing a scathing satirical poem to be published the following week in the school paper. Plus he sucks dead horse cock as an actor. Liev Schrieber would be a better choice. Let Ryan continue to introduce himself as "Mr. Reese Witherspoon".
Quote: rex said: I'm pissed about the Penguin being in the movie,
Agreed, focus needs to be put on the Joker and his (possible) alter ego as the Red Hood. Adding the Penguin could be too much. 'Course I said the same about Scarecrow and Batman Begins didn't suffer. The only thing, I think, that made the movie suffer was Kate Holmes. She's supposed to be coming back for the sequel as well as everyone else (according to Newsarama).
I think Nolan did alright with the multiple villains in Batman Begins. I'll reserve judgement until I see the completed work. I would think a filmmaker/screenwriter of Nolan's caliber would learn from the mistakes of people like Burton or *shudder* Schumacher.
Quote: rex said: I'm pissed about the Penguin being in the movie,
Agreed, focus needs to be put on the Joker and his (possible) alter ego as the Red Hood. Adding the Penguin could be too much. 'Course I said the same about Scarecrow and Batman Begins didn't suffer. The only thing, I think, that made the movie suffer was Kate Holmes. She's supposed to be coming back for the sequel as well as everyone else (according to Newsarama).
Why, oh why, is Holmes coming back? She was the only bad part of the first flick. I'm amazed that Tom Cruise is letting her out of the cult long enough to even film it.
Not thrilled about Heath being the Joker - I just can't see it, but who knows? He may surprise everyone - though there are so many other actors who I think would've been better suited for the role. Oh well. And I have faith in Nolan, so hopefully having both the Joker and Penguin together won't be as abysmal as the Penguin /Catwoman team-up was in Returns. Finally, Ryan Phillipe as Dent? Oye, who thought that was a good idea?
Quote: harleykwin said: Why, oh why, is Holmes coming back? She was the only bad part of the first flick. I'm amazed that Tom Cruise is letting her out of the cult long enough to even film it.
Quote: harleykwin said: Why, oh why, is Holmes coming back? She was the only bad part of the first flick. I'm amazed that Tom Cruise is letting her out of the cult long enough to even film it.
She has to pay for her indoctrination somehow.
Wasn't having Cruise's spawn enough?
Oh wait.
has anyone even seen this kid? Or is this another hoax?
Quote: harleykwin said: Why, oh why, is Holmes coming back? She was the only bad part of the first flick. I'm amazed that Tom Cruise is letting her out of the cult long enough to even film it.
She has to pay for her indoctrination somehow.
Wasn't having Cruise's spawn enough?
Scientology can't buy a new yatch with kids, Harley. Unless, of course, they turn around and sell them.
Quote: harleykwin said: Why, oh why, is Holmes coming back? She was the only bad part of the first flick.
i never understood why people got so whiney about her part in 'begins.' was it oscar worthy? no. but, at worst, i found her role unnoticeable. at best, she was just another piece to the pie.
Quote: rex said: I'm pissed about the Penguin being in the movie,
if he's just as aside sorta thing, then i don't mind. i do agree the focus should be on one, the joker.
however, 'begins' was able to tell batman, gordon, ra's, scarecrow, and falcone's story with no problem, because of a proper balance -- some characters getting more treatment than others. it was a good movie, so it could do that.
'returns' through 'b&r' were bad movies (or had elements of bad movies). it wasn't the fault of multiple villains, that was simply an aspect.
Quote: harleykwin said: Not thrilled about Heath being the Joker
with him and phillipe, the "brokeback gotham" trailers can't be too far ...uh... behind.
i have faith in nolan and tone of begins to an enormous extent, so i'll grant the benefit of the doubt. but, just reading the announcement months before cameras even start to roll, i'm annoyed by both of those selections.
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: i never understood why people got so whiney about her part in 'begins.' was it oscar worthy? no. but, at worst, i found her role unnoticeable. at best, she was just another piece to the pie.
In my case, I don't think it's whiny to not want her back. I wasn't looking for an Oscar worthy performance, but I also wasn't expecting for her to take me out of the movie as often as she did. I thought they could've gotten someone better for the admittedly small role - not every role requires star power. So my opinion is that they should save the money on her salary unless she absolutely NEEDS to be in the sequel. And, judging by the way the last movie left her character, I don't think she's needed.
Quote: if he's just as aside sorta thing, then i don't mind. i do agree the focus should be on one, the joker.
however, 'begins' was able to tell batman, gordon, ra's, scarecrow, and falcone's story with no problem, because of a proper balance -- some characters getting more treatment than others. it was a good movie, so it could do that.
'returns' through 'b&r' were bad movies (or had elements of bad movies). it wasn't the fault of multiple villains, that was simply an aspect.
I agree with Rob. I don't think the problem is with multiple villains. I think the problem lies in how those villains are used. Focus the sequel on Joker and have Penguin kinda playing in the background, setting up his criminal empire and working almost behind the scenes (maybe having a role in Joker's plots). That way, you've used multiple villains in a way that doesn't bludgeon the viewer or create a campier movie. PLUS, you've also set up your third movie - with Joker defeated, Batman has to turn his attention to Penguin, who has built up his empire and is now a foe to be reckoned with - hell, he could hire a couple of Batman's rogues and that explains why you get multiple villains in the third movie!
Quote: i have faith in nolan and tone of begins to an enormous extent, so i'll grant the benefit of the doubt. but, just reading the announcement months before cameras even start to roll, i'm annoyed by both of those selections.
My problem with Holmes was script related. No one gave a fuck about that Rachel character. It would have made better sense to cast her as Talia especially with Ra's as the lead baddie. I dig Goyer as a screenwriter but sometimes he slips in some crackrocks while smoking his thunderfunk.
Quote: Fused said: My problem with Holmes was script related. No one gave a fuck about that Rachel character. It would have made better sense to cast her as Talia especially with Ra's as the lead baddie. I dig Goyer as a screenwriter but sometimes he slips in some crackrocks while smoking his thunderfunk.
I agree with your point about the Rachel character. I would have skipped the romance angle and used it as an opportunity to set up Harvey Dent
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: i never understood why people got so whiney about her part in 'begins.' was it oscar worthy? no. but, at worst, i found her role unnoticeable. at best, she was just another piece to the pie.
In my case, I don't think it's whiny to not want her back.
Exactly.
Why is it "whiney" to dislike the actress/character? It's bad enough she's a subpar actress, but the role itself was vanilla and completely superfluous- what was the point of having her there in the first place as an anonymous ADA, when the role could have been used to establish Harvey Dent? What? For the romantic angle? Big, fat, fucking yawn. When is Hollywood going to realize that Batman doesn't need some bullshit romantic angle to make him interesting? If they insist on having a love interest, make it Talia or Catwoman - at least they are characters of substance and not some slapped together, one-dimensional (not to mention badly acted by a fug actress) snooze inducing, disposable character.
That's my prob with Holmes' part in the movie.
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I agree with Rob. I don't think the problem is with multiple villains. I think the problem lies in how those villains are used. Focus the sequel on Joker and have Penguin kinda playing in the background, setting up his criminal empire and working almost behind the scenes (maybe having a role in Joker's plots). That way, you've used multiple villains in a way that doesn't bludgeon the viewer or create a campier movie. PLUS, you've also set up your third movie - with Joker defeated, Batman has to turn his attention to Penguin, who has built up his empire and is now a foe to be reckoned with - hell, he could hire a couple of Batman's rogues and that explains why you get multiple villains in the third movie!
I couldn't agree with Dave Mama more. The problem is, when I think of multiple villians, I invariabley think of B&R or Batman Returns or some other schlock and forget that there were many villians in Begins, and yet it was still an excellent movie. I am surprised though, that Talia won't be in the next one, as Ra's did mention he had a child in Begins and it just seemed to be the perfect segue to introduce her in Dark Knight (frickin' the title!).
Quote: i have faith in nolan and tone of begins to an enormous extent, so i'll grant the benefit of the doubt. but, just reading the announcement months before cameras even start to roll, i'm annoyed by both of those selections.
Quote: harleykwin said: It's bad enough she's a subpar actress, but the role itself was vanilla and completely superfluous- what was the point of having her there in the first place as an anonymous ADA, when the role could have been used to establish Harvey Dent? What? For the romantic angle? Big, fat, fucking yawn. When is Hollywood going to realize that Batman doesn't need some bullshit romantic angle to make him interesting? If they insist on having a love interest, make it Talia or Catwoman - at least they are characters of substance and not some slapped together, one-dimensional (not to mention badly acted by a fug actress) snooze inducing, disposable character.
Quote: Fused said: My problem with Holmes was script related.
Agreed fully. The dialogue was way too smart for her acting abilities. The cell phone scene at the manor? Her reaction, timing and all, sucked. Her slapping Bruce? Once was enough, the delayed slap #2 killed me. It was downhill from there with her.
Quote: No one gave a fuck about that Rachel character.
Yes and no. I didn't give a fuck about the Rachel/Bruce romance post-becoming Batman. However I do think she had a level of importance as a childhood friend of Bruce, as well as her DA role.
Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."
...fuck. I had no idea Robin Williams even LIKED comic books, much less could have educated thoughts on things like this. I'm not neccessarily for him being cast. But, this at least makes it a bit less scary of an idea...
it definitely makes it less scary but if they want to do it right there is only one guy for the job.....Mark Hamill.
I've heard this a lot, and it seems to me that everyone always forgets that just because Hamill has a great Joker voice for animation, that doesn't necessarily translate very well to an actual live performance.
Going on his portrayal of the Trickster in the Flash tv series. I'd say he was pretty much perfect for the role!
Quote: harleykwin said: It's bad enough she's a subpar actress, but the role itself was vanilla and completely superfluous- what was the point of having her there in the first place as an anonymous ADA, when the role could have been used to establish Harvey Dent? What? For the romantic angle? Big, fat, fucking yawn. When is Hollywood going to realize that Batman doesn't need some bullshit romantic angle to make him interesting? If they insist on having a love interest, make it Talia or Catwoman - at least they are characters of substance and not some slapped together, one-dimensional (not to mention badly acted by a fug actress) snooze inducing, disposable character.
That rant was...poetry. It's like you peeked into my Rant Diary, ripped out page 212....removed twenty-seven "Fuck"'s....and gave it your own yankee-spin.
Quote: Prometheus said: That rant was...poetry. It's like you peeked into my Rant Diary, ripped out page 212....removed twenty-seven "Fuck"'s....and gave it your own yankee-spin.
What's not to ?
*sigh*
Ah, Pro, you make me dizzy with all that southern sweet talk...
The Toronto Sun recently spoke with Aussie actor Heath Ledger who for the first time talked publically about his being cast as The Joker in the "Batman Begins" sequel "The Dark Knight".
"It's definitely going to stump people. I think it'll be more along the lines of how the Joker was meant to be in the comics, darker and more sinister. I wouldn't have thought of me, either. But it's obviously not going to be what Jack Nicholson did" says Ledger.
He adds "It's going to be more nuanced and dark and more along the lines of a Clockwork Orange kind of feel. Which is, I think, what the comic book was after: less about his laugh and more about his eyes".
Meanwhile at the premiere of "Hollywoodland", actor Bob Hoskins was asked by IESB about rumours he'd been approached to play The Penguin in "The Dark Knight". Hoskins seemed genuinely surprised by the question and appeared not to have heard of such an offer. Would he be interested? "Yeah of course...love too" he replied..."
They keep mentioning Phillip Seymour Hoffman, but for my money NO ONE tops Hoskins as a choice. In fact, I thought that back when DiVito got the part in "Batman Returns."
Yep. In fact, I've heard that they actually starting filming with Hoskins and then went back and reshot some scenes after DeNiro changed his mind and agreed to do the film.
Author: Jett
Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 7:00 AM:
Finally some rumors worth running with for y'all. Trust me, I get tons of "scoops" everyday. However, what I've got today is from people I know and trust, so I decided to pass it along to y'all. Remember, this is nothing official, just the "inside scuttlebutt" I've heard of late...
As I imagined, the production of THE DARK KNIGHT is under the highest of security. There’s been nary a word about the production since the title and Heath Ledger would be playing The Joker was announced. Honestly, this is the quietest it has been since the end of BATMAN BEGINS‘ theater run...
The word is that Liev Schreiber is not/no longer in the mix to play Harvey Dent -- which I hope is not true because he’s long been my fave for the part…
Now some of you all will dig this -- sort of blast from the past, so to speak. Guy Pearce’s name has popped up again as a candidate for Harvey Dent. Methinks his past association with Chris Nolan (MEMENTO) is again at the root of this rumor. I do think Pearce would be a nice choice, but I'm not holding my breath…
The talk is that more official casting news will come soon, perhaps around the time THE PRESTIGE is released to cash in on the hype. And that works vice versa as well -- you know what I mean? So keep an ear to the wall around the middle of October.
does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
How can there not be a Joker/batman film? He's one of the most well known villians ever. And I may be in the minority here, but I never though Nicholson's performance as the Joker was all that. It was ok, and had a few moments, but I expected more - it just came off as too campy to me.
It'll prolly never happen, but for a Batman/Joker movie, I would love to see them do The Killing Joke...
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
The end of BEGINS is already confusing the general public. I keep having to explain, in regard to Joker being in the next movie, that the new movie(s) are a reboot.
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
The end of BEGINS is already confusing the general public.
How on earth can the ending be confusing to the general public?
Quote: Jeremy said: Person I know: "Wait, so if the Joker is around at the end of Batman Begins, then the Batman movie with Keaton has to be its sequel right?"
Me:
How confusing is it to understand that its a whole new slate? Argh!
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
The end of BEGINS is already confusing the general public. I keep having to explain, in regard to Joker being in the next movie, that the new movie(s) are a reboot.
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
The end of BEGINS is already confusing the general public. I keep having to explain, in regard to Joker being in the next movie, that the new movie(s) are a reboot.
Rob: No, I think it will be welcomed. For example, when Begins was released the comparisons were made and found highly in favor of Begins over every other Batman movie in existance. Nicholson(sp) played a dynamic character, but he didn't play Joker, really. Just like Keaton wasn't really Batman. 'Cause he's short and kills people.
Jeremy: Stop talking to stupid people. If they have a computer they ought to know what it means to "re-boot." Call them twats and walk away.
I've had to explain that too. I think the problem is that after watching the Star Wars prequels people assumed that the makers of BB were trying to do something similar (that is, base the whole movie on links to the old ones). Superman Returns probably enforced that notion, too.
It's obviously gonna be confusing to the general public to see a movie where Bats meets the Joker for the first time, if they already saw that in the 1989 movie. But fuck 'em, I say. They're only gonna let that annoy them if they want to.
By the time the next Batman movie comes out, it will have been nearly twenty years since the Nicholson-Keaton movie, which came out nearly twenty years after the West-Romaro TV show was cancelled.
I think people can understand "remake" if nothing else.
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
Fuck no. If Begins does anything it allows me to forget that Burton ever directed a Batman movie. Dark Knight will only assist in that.
I don't recall running across this too widely...the only place I found reference to it was HERE...although our tipster makes it sound like the changes to the new suit are more dramatic than posited in the article linked above.
Aonemantidalwave sent in this snippet regarding a recent encounter he had with someone working on THE DARK KNIGHT. I've tweaked this message to avoid revealing the identity of the person working on the film.
MINOR COSTUME-RELATED SPOILER AHEAD!?!?
Both Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan have seen a new Batsuit & there's been a fitting.
I told this person how I didn't particularly dig the suit in Batman Begins and said it was too bulky. To this he/she replied, "Well then you'll love the new one." He/she also stated that Bats changes his suit halfway through the film - and its a major plotpoint as to the how and why this happens.
He/she sadly, had no news about the Joker's get up.
This source is new to us, so keep that in mind when contemplating the vast array of costuming possibilities here.
If I'm repeating something that's already widely known, my apologies.
Quote: Finally, a tipster wrote in to Batman On Film claiming they've heard Batman's costume will be altered for the sequel, in an attempt to mimic the changes Bruce Wayne would make as time evolved. Says the tipster, "The appearance will not change dramatically, but will be lighter and sleeker than the one in Batman Begins. It may also be constructed to look more like heavyweight fabric and armour than rubber."
That site also seems to believe that Katie Holmes will have a substantial role in the new movie.
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
Fuck no. If Begins does anything it allows me to forget that Burton ever directed a Batman movie. Dark Knight will only assist in that.
Agreed.
Burton's BATMAN was nearly 20 years ago.
And it's time someone washes the taste of those movies out of our mouths. BATMAN was really THE JOKER. And BATMAN FOREVER was just "let's be disgusting with Danny DeVito." And the two that followed those don't really need to be mentioned at all.
BATMAN BEGINS got it more right than any other BATMAN film.
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: does anyone else think that doing a batman movie with the joker might not be sucha good idea, as it will lead to non-stop comparisons and critiques versus the original 1989 blockbuster performances?
Fuck no. If Begins does anything it allows me to forget that Burton ever directed a Batman movie. Dark Knight will only assist in that.
Agreed.
Burton's BATMAN was nearly 20 years ago.
And it's time someone washes the taste of those movies out of our mouths. BATMAN was really JACK NICHOLSON PLAYING HIMSELF ONLY WITH MAKEUP THIS TIME. And BATMAN FOREVER was just "let's be disgusting with Danny DeVito." And the two that followed those don't really need to be mentioned at all.
BATMAN BEGINS got it more right than any other BATMAN film.
Yeah, and Pfeiffer's Catwoman and Devito's penguin was yet another semi-dead to dead, pasty, white burton imagining of a character. Seriously, Joker, penguin, Catwoman, edward scissorhands, The guy from sleepy hollow, nightmare, and corpse bride all have those dead goth characters. Burton must be a necrophile.
I just take Batman in the movies the same way I take him in the comics. Every era is different. And, no single era is the absolute essential definition of him. They all have factors I agree with or enjoy. And they all have things I would change.
Say what you will about the plot, and Jack, but I dug the absolute shit out of Keaton's Batman character. His silent, disturbed nature, along with the amalgamated 1940's designs, practically oozed the pulp feel of the original Bill Finger/Bob Kane Golden Age-"Batman". This is the sincerely traumatized avenger of the night that had zero problems cracking necks and dropping guys off rooftops.
Then, we drifted into the silly, outlandish 50/60's Silver Age. Both Kilmer and Clooney's movies reeked of the ludicrous camp that dominated a decade of goofy gadgets, horrible one-lines, a joking Batman, and the always beloved outer space adventures.
Bale is awesome, and perfectly fits a late-Silver Age Neal Adams niche, as well as the Frank Miller's Bat from YEAR ONE.
Unfortunately, we haven't gotten to the over-paranoid, uber-prep-time, godlike Batman from Morrison's era..
Y'know, ever since Salma got engaged, you've been...less relevant.
You need to drink again.
Oh, sure, the love of his life is knocked up with another man's child and you kick him while he's down...real nice, Joseph Mothern real nice...
Piggie, look at the bright side, her tah tahs are only gonna get bigger while she's preggers...
As for the whole Maggie/Katie question - unless they are playing Catwoman or Talia I which clearly they aren't, the character is bound to be extraneous...and fug to boot.
Y'know, ever since Salma got engaged, you've been...less relevant.
You need to drink again.
Oh, sure, the love of his life is knocked up with another man's child and you kick him while he's down...real nice, Joseph Mothern real nice...
That's right. I'm gonna kick him until he grabs my ankle and twists it, knocking me down and reclaiming his dignity, pride, and alcohol. Then I'm gonna kick him in the ass until he mans up, gets plowed, and reclaims his lady. Y'know why? Because I care! I care enough to destroy him in order to rebuild him better than ever!
Y'know, ever since Salma got engaged, you've been...less relevant.
You need to drink again.
Oh, sure, the love of his life is knocked up with another man's child and you kick him while he's down...real nice, Joseph Mothern real nice...
That's right. I'm gonna kick him until he grabs my ankle and twists it, knocking me down and reclaiming his dignity, pride, and alcohol. Then I'm gonna kick him in the ass until he mans up, gets plowed, and reclaims his lady. Y'know why? Because I care! I care enough to destroy him in order to rebuild him better than ever!
I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Though the comment about Pro being bald in the other thread was pretty funny...
And the comment about Rhonda Shear, even if he essentially is raping my childhood crush...that was funny too...
Quote: Joe Mama said: I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Wait, Pig Dave is all emo now? Then beer and a viewing of the wank forum won't help him either...
Quote: Joe Mama said: I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Then beer and a viewing of the wank forum won't help him either...
Quote: Joe Mama said: I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Then beer and a viewing of the wank forum won't help him either...
but those cure everything...
Knut, you are a wise man for one so young, but if Pig Dave is truly emo, then he may beyond the hope that even beer and boobs provide.
Quote: Joe Mama said: I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Though the comment about Pro being bald in the other thread was pretty funny...
And the comment about Rhonda Shear, even if he essentially is raping my childhood crush...that was funny too...
It's OK Joe, I still like it best when you are bent over like Big Pap Smear after he's eaten 17 large pizzas, sweating profusely as I humble you as devastatingly as the Yankees have humbled the Red Sox over the past 100 years.
Quote: Joe Mama said: I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Wait, Pig Dave is all emo now? Then beer and a viewing of the wank forum won't help him either...
Oh dear Lord, he's worse of than I thought...
Joe just brings that up because his favorite game is Tickle Me Emo.
Quote: Joe Mama said: I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Then beer and a viewing of the wank forum won't help him either...
but those cure everything...
Knut, you are a wise man for one so young, but if Pig Dave is truly emo, then he may beyond the hope that even beer and boobs provide.
Quote: Joe Mama said: I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Though the comment about Pro being bald in the other thread was pretty funny...
And the comment about Rhonda Shear, even if he essentially is raping my childhood crush...that was funny too...
It's OK Joe, I still like it best when you are bent over like Big Pap Smear after he's eaten 17 large pizzas, sweating profusely as I humble you as devastatingly as the Yankees have humbled the Red Sox over the past 100 years.
Quote: Joe Mama said: I'm not offering him a damned thing until the Pig-Dave that I respect returns. Until this whiny, sober little emo-twat goes away and the Pig-Dave I admire comes back, there'll be no beer. Let this nancy-boy drink Zima.
Then beer and a viewing of the wank forum won't help him either...
but those cure everything...
Knut, you are a wise man for one so young, but if Pig Dave is truly emo, then he may beyond the hope that even beer and boobs provide.
Batman-On-Film has some interesting new rumors, including beefing up the character of Sal Maroni, that "Sopranos" actor James Gandolfini is a possibility for the role, that singer Stacy "Fergie" Ferguson could also be involved, and that the story is based on a DC Comics story called "Joker's Five-Way Revenge."
BOF debunks the above casting rumors. It's the last line that draws my interest.
BoF also says that the production is being heavily influenced by the original Joker story and using it in the movies the same way the story worked in the comics, as a kickstart to the whole 'costumed rogues' crazy in Gotham.
Over the past two days I have seen three "omg secrit releze!" pictures of Ledger in costme as Joker, one was real and that one is so shitty an image as to be worthless.
FYI. if you want I'll post pics, but there's really nothing to see.
Well, if the Crow manip or the makeup test manip were real, there'd be bitching to be had. As per WB/AOL/DC it is all 100% false, though. Thank goodness! I didn't want to have to kick Nolan in the testicles!
I've heard there are pictures of the Joker going around and personally I think it'd be cooler to see him in a trailer. When they're posted here, how 'bout not frontpaging them? Think you can take the challenge, G-man?
* According to the Los Angeles Daily News, Eric Roberts has signed to play a crimelord in The Dark Knight. Roberts is currently a guest-star on NBC's Heroes.
yeah same here. nothing in my email. I hate harry potter too so if the rumor is true ill just watch the preview then go check out something else at the theater...
...you know, when I looked at the link last night, it was there, and got broken pixils, but didn't have the data entry fields in. It could be that I'm looking at this too early and the processes are not in place yet.
If you zoom in ('cause y'can't do balls much else), the "broken" pix look more like the start fo a fade to another picture behind the first. There's flesh-tones too...
Go to the webpage http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com and enter your e-mail address (HOTMAIL DOES NOT WORK which pissed me off all day -- but TShirtHell has free accounts: http://www.tshirthell.com/emailhell.htm ) and you'll get an email with a message, a link back to almost the same page, and an x/y coordinant. Enter the coordinants and you clear off one of the pixels that is covering up the first released picture of Ledger as Joker for the next Batman movie.
...you have five minutes and I was too stupid to think of this at the time, but try taking out other coordinants too - that might make this go faster.
Quote: Im Not Mister Mxypltk said: I've heard there are pictures of the Joker going around and personally I think it'd be cooler to see him in a trailer. When they're posted here, how 'bout not frontpaging them? Think you can take the challenge, G-man?
the trailer is supposed to be on the next Harry Potter film, IIRC.
Oddly enough, the "Joker" looks better when the pic is clearer. Woulda been cool if they had put one out of him smiling though. And I agree with Ray that the Nicholson plastic-y smile was just...odd.
Quote: Im Not Mister Mxypltk said: I've heard there are pictures of the Joker going around and personally I think it'd be cooler to see him in a trailer. When they're posted here, how 'bout not frontpaging them? Think you can take the challenge, G-man?
Quote: ...Anthony Michael Hall has spoken out and said he is indeed in the film... in what seems to be a very small, but known part as he's not able to mention what he did in his weekend of shooting or who he's playing because it's a "surprise."
So, a new villain, then. Who would he be good as? Riddler, maybe? Maybe not a villain, but a known Batman character... he's about 20 years too old to play Robin... What do you folks think?
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: i like the joker pic. its all mangled and creepy. i'd love it were th joker all disturbed in a anthony hopkins' hannibal lector sorta way.
by the way, the picture is gone now, replaced with an error.
so, when you get to this page, there's an error message. and what i was sayin before, is if you hilite all the black empty space, you'll see a buncha joker-standard HAHAHAHs in a variety of shapes and sizes.
creepy, right?
but wait, there's more!
i copied the text to post some here. but then i thought i saw something, so i copied all the html code and deleted all the unnecessary tags -- headers, styles, etc. that just left "page not found" and the "ha"s ...
or so you'd think.
it also left a secret message, found in random letters. as i was just scrolling through, i stumbled upon a random "s" in the "haha" bit. i thought it was just an error or something, but then i looked down and found a random "e", and realized there was more secret letters to be found. the first two of which looks like this:
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i followed the pattern all the way down, and slapped the letters together. the end message is "see you in december"
woo, thats creepy. ...and nedry. but cool, either way! im assuming it means thats when we'll see a dark knight / joker trailer, or at least thats when we'll see more information about the movie on this site.
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: i like the joker pic. its all mangled and creepy. i'd love it were th joker all disturbed in a anthony hopkins' hannibal lector sorta way.
by the way, the picture is gone now, replaced with an error.
Quote: Uschi said: Oh, and it has been confirmed that a teaser will be on Harry Potter, with the Joker cards and with Joker's laugh. So.
KAMPHUASENED!
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: ok... check this nerdy shit out.
so, when you get to this page, there's an error message. and what i was sayin before, is if you hilite all the black empty space, you'll see a buncha joker-standard HAHAHAHs in a variety of shapes and sizes.
creepy, right?
but wait, there's more!
i copied the text to post some here. but then i thought i saw something, so i copied all the html code and deleted all the unnecessary tags -- headers, styles, etc. that just left "page not found" and the "ha"s ...
or so you'd think.
it also left a secret message, found in random letters. as i was just scrolling through, i stumbled upon a random "s" in the "haha" bit. i thought it was just an error or something, but then i looked down and found a random "e", and realized there was more secret letters to be found. the first two of which looks like this:
HA Page not found. HA HA HA ha ha ha HA H a HA HA HA HA HA ha HA H A ha HA HA HAha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha HA HA HA HA HA ha HA HA ha s HA HA ha HA HA HA ha HA HA H A ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha HA H A ha HA HA HA ha ha ha HA HA ha HA HA HA ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA H A ha HA H A ha H A ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA ha HA H A ha ha h a HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha HA HA HA ha HA HA H A e HA
i followed the pattern all the way down, and slapped the letters together. the end message is "see you in december"
woo, thats creepy. ...and nedry. but cool, either way! im assuming it means thats when we'll see a dark knight / joker trailer, or at least thats when we'll see more information about the movie on this site.
Then Aaron Eckhart's playing Dent. I like where this franchise is heading.
Did we cover this little snippet?
*SPOILERS*
Quote: The Dark Knight will follow Batman as he enlists the aid of Gordon and Dent in “bringing down the Joker… but not killing him. In the third movie, the Joker would go on trial, scarring Dent in the process,” screenwriter David Goyer previously revealed.
Quote: harleykwin said: Wait. There are going to be two villians in this movie?
Oh no.
hey begins had two and that didnt turn out so badly...
That's true. In that, the villians all seemed to get equal time, so it worked. It didn't seem rushed, but the Joker is the biggest gun in the Batman gallery - I can't see him sharing screen time with, say, the Riddler.
Quote: TK-069 said: Then Aaron Eckhart's playing Dent. I like where this franchise is heading.
Did we cover this little snippet?
*SPOILERS*
Quote: The Dark Knight will follow Batman as he enlists the aid of Gordon and Dent in “bringing down the Joker… but not killing him. In the third movie, the Joker would go on trial, scarring Dent in the process,” screenwriter David Goyer previously revealed.
See, now those are spoilers I didn't want. Who wants to know the plot points ahead of time? (besides Pariah, I mean)
People had been supposing Joker had something to do with Dent becoming Two-Face because of the joker pic release campaign: the e-mail was titled "defacing public servants" and the message (before the link and coordinants) said something like, "you can tell a lot about a man by what he is made of" or whatever. Basically saying Joker's in with Dent somehow. Maybe he finances Dent's campaign or something. That might explain the "I Believe in Dent TOO!" stuff.
Quote: harleykwin said: That's true. In that, the villians all seemed to get equal time, so it worked. It didn't seem rushed, but the Joker is the biggest gun in the Batman gallery - I can't see him sharing screen time with, say, the Riddler.
True, but Joker shares pretty well with Harley in the animated series and did a good job teamed up with Scarecrow in Knightfall. He does work best with a soundboard that responds (as opposed to a dead cat or scared-shitless victim). Not that he isn't great alone...
Quote: harleykwin said: That's true. In that, the villians all seemed to get equal time, so it worked. It didn't seem rushed, but the Joker is the biggest gun in the Batman gallery - I can't see him sharing screen time with, say, the Riddler.
True, but Joker shares pretty well with Harley in the animated series and did a good job teamed up with Scarecrow in Knightfall. He does work best with a soundboard that responds (as opposed to a dead cat or scared-shitless victim). Not that he isn't great alone...
You're right. He does need an (non-terrified) audience. And Knightfall? Damn, that seems a long time ago - I forgot about his team up. Harley and the animated series were in a class by themselves though. And their match up isn't forced (to me, at least) bc they are part of the same crew, so they're not thrown together just for the sake of...
I know. This is SO the best advertising campaign for a nerd-movie EVAR! It gets us all interactive and shit... and the interwebz, where ELSE to geeks flock? Best. Advertising. Ever.
And, like someone else said elsewhere, it's like the Joker is doing the ads, totally reassuring us/me that their characterization is spot-on.
Also mentioned elsewhere (I think), wouldn't it be REALLY AWESOME if they did a Joker-Commercial sometime in the next year, like OH! Like breaking in on "It's A Wonderful Life!" That would be SO fan-wank!
Quote: Uschi said: And, like someone else said elsewhere, it's like the Joker is doing the ads, totally reassuring us/me that their characterization is spot-on.
The first thought I had after seeing it was "holy shit! they got it right". Its the same feeling I had after watching Begins. Naming the film "The Dark Knight" is another thing that makes me geekgasm.
Quote: Uschi said:Basically saying Joker's in with Dent somehow. Maybe he finances Dent's campaign or something. That might explain the "I Believe in Dent TOO!" stuff.
For some reason, I get the feeling that the writers might be a borrowing bit from the "Dark Detective" mini last year, where the Joker took it upon himself to stalk a gubenatorial candidate, but in this case he's stalking the District Attorney instead.
Quote: "You can't do this on any home theater," Nolan says. "Batman has some of the most extraordinary characters in pop culture. We wanted the Joker to have the grandest entrance possible.
I dig the old style Jokermobile. As for the costume? Hmmmm...I dunno...what was wrong with the one the used in BB? Oh, and I have no idea why Uschi's pics aren't showing up when they are quoted....
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Why the fuck is she still in this movie? And I though Maggie Glylenhallalalalal was the new female lead in this?
I dig the old style Jokermobile. As for the costume? Hmmmm...I dunno...what was wrong with the one the used in BB? Oh, and I have no idea why Uschi's pics aren't showing up when they are quoted....
Okay, the trailer that WAS gonna be on Harry Potter IS NOT going to be. They decided the average HP fan is too young a group and the trailer would be too scary for that demographic. So it's going to be on the TRANSFORMERS movie.
There's a potentially real-ish trailer piece floating about - no verification yet so I'll hold off on posting it.
No verification still, but the inside-guy we got hasn't said anything about it saying it is false either. Of course, he's not a big crew-member... but he does have Alex Ross on speed-dial.
anyway, here:
Quote:
"You know what's funny? The act of laughter, which is a sweet contraction of the muscles of the face, and a pleasant agitation of the vocal organs, it's not merely, or entirely within the jurisdiction of ourselves. Simply put, the essence of laughter...is insanity."
thats a pic from "Thank You For Not Smoking" harl...
It's "Thank You For Smoking" no "Not." It's a good movie actually, she's a shitty actor but he's pretty good. After seeing Thank You For Smoking I'm cool with him as Harvey Dent.
Okay, the trailer that WAS gonna be on Harry Potter IS NOT going to be. They decided the average HP fan is too young a group and the trailer would be too scary for that demographic. So it's going to be on the TRANSFORMERS movie.
Fucking awesome. Now I don't have to see the trailer online. Its before a movie I actually want to see.
I also think that trailer is a fake. Not enough real stuff in it. Its good enough for the comic fanboys but the average movie goes won't get it.
There's a potentially real-ish trailer piece floating about - no verification yet so I'll hold off on posting it.
No verification still, but the inside-guy we got hasn't said anything about it saying it is false either. Of course, he's not a big crew-member... but he does have Alex Ross on speed-dial.
anyway, here:
Quote:
"You know what's funny? The act of laughter, which is a sweet contraction of the muscles of the face, and a pleasant agitation of the vocal organs, it's not merely, or entirely within the jurisdiction of ourselves. Simply put, the essence of laughter...is insanity."
huh. i was actually suprised that i didn't like that.
loved the movie. loved the theme. but the two really don't mix for me. the danny elfman score just seemed over-theatrical and out-of-place when laced over the more realisticly-toned batman begins.
For the time period, it was a pretty awesome film. Like TMNT was. It followed the typical 80s-90s film plots and techniques, just like everything else. Even Hollywood cinema has developed a lot in the last 20 years.
What was sad was how the Batman films only went downhill from '89. '89 was a HUGE improvement from Adam West's SHIT, yes SHIT. It had the right tone, even though Batman blows guys up and Joker was more Jack in makeup than Joker (I have a theory that he's not really an actor, but a popular, non-violent psychopath).
Except the scene on the steps to City Hall, "Hello Benny, it's your Uncle Bingo. Time to pay the check!" -- that was SO Joker.
True, and he carried a gun. However they early made the decision to not have Batman kill or shoot people, then they made up his origin story and suddenly it became imperative that his character have a strict moral code.
Well, I meant in the comics. I do keep all the media separate (cartoon, movie, comics, Elseworlds, fanfic, novels).
Indeed, detection is elemental. But it was his first meeting with Ras' and Scarecrow never really needs much detecting. Bats does lean pretty heavy on Lucias Fox... probably due to Lucius being played by Morgan Freeman. And the fact that he was getting so much development AS Batman/Bruce. There was only so much a fresh-faced audience can absorb in one film.
Hopefully there'll be more detection needed to hunt down the Joker.
between golden and silver...before Carmine Infantino and after Bob Kane... it's like a 10 year period for all comics, but those are kinda the batman demarcations.
No, no, everyone seems to think I was slamming the 89 film by my comment, but I wasn't - its just what got me into Batman (and then comics) was the animated series and that music was at the begining of every episode soooo...
Tron was crap. Mostly because my stupid Art teacher never saw it so she refused to let me reference it in one of my drawings so I got stuck doing a completely different (and totally bogus) project.
Tron was crap. Mostly because my stupid Art teacher never saw it so she refused to let me reference it in one of my drawings so I got stuck doing a completely different (and totally bogus) project.
Tron was crap. Mostly because my stupid Art teacher never saw it so she refused to let me reference it in one of my drawings so I got stuck doing a completely different (and totally bogus) project.
Tron was crap. Mostly because my stupid Art teacher never saw it so she refused to let me reference it in one of my drawings so I got stuck doing a completely different (and totally bogus) project.
so tron sucked...or ur teacher sucked...?
I only saw Tron when I was 20 for the first time. So, in that way, without the curtain of youth to blind me, Tron sucked.
Tron was crap. Mostly because my stupid Art teacher never saw it so she refused to let me reference it in one of my drawings so I got stuck doing a completely different (and totally bogus) project.
so tron sucked...or ur teacher sucked...?
I only saw Tron when I was 20 for the first time. So, in that way, without the curtain of youth to blind me, Tron sucked.
The teacher sucked more.
thats too bad. i hate trying to show movies to my friends that u need to see as a kid and the see it as an adult which ruins the whole thing...
Well, as many of you know, there was no trailer with Transformers. Good thing too, 'caus eI was starting to be confused about the "see you in december" thing at that -- I guess I figured Transformers was coming out then... like LotR did.
Well, as many of you know, there was no trailer with Transformers. Good thing too, 'caus eI was starting to be confused about the "see you in december" thing at that -- I guess I figured Transformers was coming out then... like LotR did.
Well, as many of you know, there was no trailer with Transformers. Good thing too, 'caus eI was starting to be confused about the "see you in december" thing at that -- I guess I figured Transformers was coming out then... like LotR did.
#829688 - 07/05/07 02:31 AM
i was gonna bring that up but i couldnt be arsed...
so, about the k-nut. It used to be noot until I made that up, yes? The kay-nut in my first voice chat?
no. my nickname is kournut. and most of my friends call me K-nut (kay-nut) for short. i just got tired of everyone thinking it was nut or noot or whatever you all said to urself as u typed...
oRelly? ah, okay, now I get it with the Courtney thing. So you have your friends call you something less... how do you say... Woman.
its actually a guys name originally...i looked it up...
Originally Posted By: Uschi
To be fair, knut IS pronounced "newt" or "noot." And YOU have been in error all along.
yes i know. but when i first came here i really didnt think i would post as much or even be around as much as i have so it didnt matter to me. Thats obviously changed...
so, about the k-nut. It used to be noot until I made that up, yes? The kay-nut in my first voice chat?
no. my nickname is kournut. and most of my friends call me K-nut (kay-nut) for short. i just got tired of everyone thinking it was nut or noot or whatever you all said to urself as u typed...
so, about the k-nut. It used to be noot until I made that up, yes? The kay-nut in my first voice chat?
no. my nickname is kournut. and most of my friends call me K-nut (kay-nut) for short. i just got tired of everyone thinking it was nut or noot or whatever you all said to urself as u typed...
The caped crusader is fighting evil in the Windy City. The new Batman movie, “The Dark Knight” is currently filming in Chicago. Sunday night film crews for "The Dark Knight" were working on Lower Wacker Drive. Neither Batman nor the boy wonder were around but we have the first look at the legendary Batmobile. And holy guacamole Batman, even the Joker turned out for the filming. “The Dark Knight” will be all over town for the next two months
Also, I think I figured out the skateboard; he's running from Batman/the Tumbler on the skateboard and gets away. Funny, and explains the need for the Bat-Pod/motorcycle and it's agility.
Scooper 'BDE' has just sent in a big one... what looks to be a legit description of the teaser trailer for The Dark Knight that will play in select theaters with The Simpsons Movie starting July 27. Of course, if you'd rather not know a thing about the teaser until you watch it, then turn back now!
I have seen The Dark Knight Teaser. I don't want to reveal everything...
It starts out with the WB logo gracing the screen, followed by the DC logo and the Legendary pictures logo. The screen goes black.
It opens back up as a commercial paid for by the friends of Harvey Dent. We are shown shots of him talking, making public speeches, and walking in a suit, while a deep voice comes on and talks about Harvey Dent. A generic politician commercial.
What seems to be halfway through the commercial, it is interrupted by static, and blacks out. Out of nowhere a crystal clear image comes onto the screen of a blacked out man with large windows behind him. The camera slowly zooms in on him. He's talking (about what I won't say) and as he finishes he begins laughing. Lightning strikes, lighting up his face, as the laughter grows more manic. Cut to black.
The Batman Begins (now The Dark Knight's bat) emblem is shown with the words The Dark Knight. Then it says Summer 2008 and has the website at the bottom.
What is said... is a surprise that I must keep for now. It gave me chills.
I think we've heard the audio though, somewhere (maybe not @ rkmbs though). Something about "insanity is the essence of laughter" and stuff. Sounded a bit fey to me.
Scooper 'BDE' has just sent in a big one... what looks to be a legit description of the teaser trailer for The Dark Knight that will play in select theaters with The Simpsons Movie starting July 27. Of course, if you'd rather not know a thing about the teaser until you watch it, then turn back now!
I have seen The Dark Knight Teaser. I don't want to reveal everything...
It starts out with the WB logo gracing the screen, followed by the DC logo and the Legendary pictures logo. The screen goes black.
It opens back up as a commercial paid for by the friends of Harvey Dent. We are shown shots of him talking, making public speeches, and walking in a suit, while a deep voice comes on and talks about Harvey Dent. A generic politician commercial.
What seems to be halfway through the commercial, it is interrupted by static, and blacks out. Out of nowhere a crystal clear image comes onto the screen of a blacked out man with large windows behind him. The camera slowly zooms in on him. He's talking (about what I won't say) and as he finishes he begins laughing. Lightning strikes, lighting up his face, as the laughter grows more manic. Cut to black.
The Batman Begins (now The Dark Knight's bat) emblem is shown with the words The Dark Knight. Then it says Summer 2008 and has the website at the bottom.
What is said... is a surprise that I must keep for now. It gave me chills.
Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach! Matthew Goode as Ozymandias! Billy Crudup as Dr. Manhattan? wtf... Titus Pollo (Ray Stevenson) as the new Punisher! Y the Last Man greenlit!
Kevork Djansezian / AP file Maggie Gyllenhaal is talking over the role of Rachel Dawes in the upcoming Batman sequel, "The Dark Knight." But she doesn't plan the play the role the way Katie Holmes did.
By Jeannette Walls MSNBC Updated: 3:14 a.m. ET July 23, 2007 Maggie Gyllenhaal has a message for fans: I’m no Katie Holmes.
The critically acclaimed actress — who is taking over Holmes’ role in the Batman series — has startled some in Hollywood by distancing herself from Tom Cruise’s wife, who received lukewarm reviews for “Batman Begins.”
“I’m not walking into Katie Holmes’ performance,” Gyllenhaal said, reports WENN. “I’m thinking of it as an opportunity to play somebody who’s alive and smart. Chris (Nolan the director) asked me to do this because he wanted me, not because he wants some generic lady in a dress.”
Gyllenhaal, who usually sticks to indie films, will play the role of Rachel Dawes in the next installment of the Batman series, “The Dark Knight.”
I'm not a fan of Holmes, but Maggie ain't no great shakes either. And this role isn't all that deep to begin with. She's the disposable love interest. The end.
exactly....there was no role to begin with. slap a dress on Pariah and he could probably do a better job than either of those dolts. however, maggie does good sex scenes and is kind of a whore....both earn her high marks in my book.
Having Rachel back, played by any actress, kind of dulls my anticipation of this film. Batman doesn't need a recurring love interest unless her name is Selina Kyle and even then only if its more of a "wants to fuck her but has to arrest her" relationship than a meaningful one.
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That's at the San Diego Comic Con. It's probably something to get people to the location where the teaser trailer is going to be officially released, before anyone else gets to see it at the Simpsons Movie.
*note* I never really dug the Hamil voice as "Joker's" voice. Most people hate me for that, but I read comic Joker and never saw the cartoon. Curiously, Ledger got a lot closer to the in-my-head voice than I ever imagined would occur.
I know, I know... but --like with Begins-- I can't STOP myself sometimes. It's too exciting to have GOOD and BATMAN and FILM all be put together without making it a negative statement. Begins was so.... heroin-level addictive hallucinogenic euphoria ('specially since I went to the IMAX showing in full costume, so I was already on FanGirl High)... I dunno, it's hard to be skeptical about Dark Knight.
i hope it's good. i am hoping that the joker is less laugh, and more just grin, sadistic pleasure from...s laughter. and that's kinda the joker i was getting from the voice.
*note* I never really dug the Hamil voice as "Joker's" voice.
you're just trying to make me angry.
hamil's joker was friggin amazing. perfect for that portrayal of the joker; lighthearted and silly, but able to flip to sadistic and creepy without a moment's notice.
the stories, overall, were very complex and deep and "mature" for cartoons, but rarely delved to the level of frightening (and understanably so). thus, if thats a key aspect to your appeal, it might not entirley be your game.
but, dear god, was it great. his joker laugh, in particular, i'd deem perfect.
for the creepiest BTAS joker, i think it might be worth renting "return of the joker" (a batman beyond title). i hate batman beyond, but there's a good chunk of "regular batman" story in there. truly a dark joker.
Originally Posted By: big_pimp_tim
i hope it's good. i am hoping that the joker is less laugh, and more just grin, sadistic pleasure from...s laughter. and that's kinda the joker i was getting from the voice.
ideally, i'd love to have much more of a "hannibal lector" persona embraced by a movie joker. a regular-ish enough looking guy who scares the fuck out of you because of how calm he is about his crazy. he's insane, but not out of his mind. its just his way is the right way and everyone else is a pawn in his game.
tie that together with a purple suit and a hideously creepy laugh, and t'aint bad at all.
from all i've read and heard, that seems to be close to the direction, plus (of course) some standard jokerness, for that double creepy scary clown aspect.
you should be at Con, Usch. you could try out for the Joker's gang.
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Whysoserious.com, a new website discovered early this morning, appears to be a “The Dark Knight”-related recruiting drive for the Joker's gang. At the top of the site is a countdown, presently at around 30 minutes left, and a message urging visitors to gather in what appears to be downtown San Diego – just outside the convention center – for “tryouts.”
“Tired of your miserable, dead-end job? Ready for a change of pace? Our organization is expanding!”
The exact coordinates of the meeting are 32º 42' 29.13" N by 117º 9' 40.91W.
the people at comic con do a task, then inform people online of the answer. then the people online do a task and inform the people at comic con of the answer. ...and its so fucking beautiful!
the photo that was on the site yesterday featured, like, an uncle sam all jokered up. people at home told the comicon people to look for it -- and it wasat those coordinaates, but who the fuck knows that. at the station, the comicon people were given makeup and painted up in the new creepy joker style
then, they were told to go back to comiccon and start running around, passing along a message to the online people.
now that the countdown on the site is over, the first thing it says (checkpoint1 ) is "tell your stooges on the ground to look up. they'll tell you what to do" they look up and see a message in the sky (phone number) call it, get next message, etc
Ok, so is the deal that he is just wearing make up? Obviously he has the scarred "smile", but from that image it looks like the white and red is just make up, not his skin colour!
I got into a discussion last night about the filming downtown and who's playing whom. Apparently the movie's filming is being disguised as a movie called "Rory's first kiss" or some shit like that. Shenanigans, we all know the truth. So anyway, the conversation led to my good friend thinking "Begins" was a prequel to the 89 movie. I'm sure most of the general movie going public thought the same. I quickly told her it wasn't and the Joker is in "The Dark Knight". She got upset! I tried explaining to her, for the next half an hour, that "Begins" is a revamp of the franchise after it tanked under Schumaker's direction. Anyone else here have a tough time getting it through to someone what the difference was between a prequel, sequel, and reinvisioning?
I usually find that a woman undertsands what you are telling her better when you tell it to her during anal sex. if it's her first time give it to her without lube.
To some extent, the producers are causing this problem by retelling the origins. They might be better off just telling good stories about Batman, the Joker, et al.
In any event, I don't know why its that big a deal for people. The Keaton/Nicholson Batman movie is nearly twenty years old now and the difference in years between that movie and this one is roughly the same as the Keaton movie and the 1960s TV show.
In fact, any one who can't understand that is probably the same type of person who, back in 1989, was bitching about no "POW" and "ZAP" in the Keaton film.
I've had to explain that too. I think the problem is that after watching the Star Wars prequels people assumed that the makers of BB were trying to do something similar (that is, base the whole movie on links to the old ones). Superman Returns probably enforced that notion, too.
It's obviously gonna be confusing to the general public to see a movie where Bats meets the Joker for the first time, if they already saw that in the 1989 movie. But fuck 'em, I say. They're only gonna let that annoy them if they want to.
In any event, I don't know why its that big a deal for people. The Keaton/Nicholson Batman movie is nearly twenty years old now and the difference in years between that movie and this one is roughly the same as the Keaton movie and the 1960s TV show.
Although in their defense, there were sequels to that franchise, so its not so much the gap between the 1st Keaton film and Begins, but the gap between BM&R and Begins, which is much smaller.
That franchise is a lot fresher in peoples minds plus the West Batman was a tv series and for some reason, people seem to happily accept that tv and movies are different.
You'd also have to say, the similarities between the costume in the 89 flick and the 05 flick, will always make it seem like its part of the same canon!
I agree though, anyone who cannot understand the simplicity of "its a new start", is just an idiot. Do they think that the remake of the Longest yard is a sequel?
To some extent, the producers are causing this problem by retelling the origins. They might be better off just telling good stories about Batman, the Joker, et al.
because for the movies to get good reviews and feedback and be appealing to non-comic readers they can't just throw the joker in with no explanation. maybe in a tv series where a bad episode can be redeemed next week, but not in a movie.
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In any event, I don't know why its that big a deal for people. The Keaton/Nicholson Batman movie is nearly twenty years old now and the difference in years between that movie and this one is roughly the same as the Keaton movie and the 1960s TV show.
i actually don't think it will be an issue at all, no one thinks these bat-films are related to the older ones.
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In fact, any one who can't understand that is probably the same type of person who, back in 1989, was bitching about no "POW" and "ZAP" in the Keaton film.
the keaton films and the west show/film had amazingly clear distinctions between the two, plus nearly 25 years.
the keaton films and the bale films will be compared and confused, without question, by the casual fan. the looks are similar, the tone is similar, the scenes are similar ("i'm batman"), etc. 16 years of separation is not all that much, and thats from batman 89 to begins. the last of the previous era, batman and robin, was only 8 years before batman begins, which is where the confusion about this being a new era will mostly stem.
regardless, i dont see it serving as a major sticking point, as continuity concerns rarely are to casual fans. harvey dent changed shades and personas between 1 and 3, im sure its not such an issue to see him again in "6."
and if "dark knight" is even nearly as kick ass as begins, i dont think anyone will care.
the keaton films and the west show/film had amazingly clear distinctions between the two, plus nearly 25 years.
the keaton films and the bale films will be compared and confused, without question, by the casual fan. the looks are similar, the tone is similar, the scenes are similar ("i'm batman"), etc. 16 years of separation is not all that much, and thats from batman 89 to begins. the last of the previous era, batman and robin, was only 8 years before batman begins, which is where the confusion about this being a new era will mostly stem.
regardless, i dont see it serving as a major sticking point, as continuity concerns rarely are to casual fans. harvey dent changed shades and personas between 1 and 3, im sure its not such an issue to see him again in "6."
and if "dark knight" is even nearly as kick ass as begins, i dont think anyone will care.
How nice of you to pretty much repeat what I already said!
To some extent, the producers are causing this problem by retelling the origins. They might be better off just telling good stories about Batman, the Joker, et al.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
because for the movies to get good reviews and feedback and be appealing to non-comic readers they can't just throw the joker in with no explanation. maybe in a tv series where a bad episode can be redeemed next week, but not in a movie.
I disagree. Batman and Joker are well enough known that you can do a movie and people "get" who they are without retelling their origins.
I can't be bothered to go back and read all these pages to see, but has anyone called this phone number yet? Anyone know what the deal is?
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
basically, its a dual role.
the people at comic con do a task, then inform people online of the answer. then the people online do a task and inform the people at comic con of the answer. ...and its so fucking beautiful!
the photo that was on the site yesterday featured, like, an uncle sam all jokered up. people at home told the comicon people to look for it -- and it wasat those coordinaates, but who the fuck knows that. at the station, the comicon people were given makeup and painted up in the new creepy joker style
then, they were told to go back to comiccon and start running around, passing along a message to the online people.
now that the countdown on the site is over, the first thing it says (checkpoint1 ) is "tell your stooges on the ground to look up. they'll tell you what to do". they look up and see a message in the sky (phone number) call it, get next message, etc
Originally Posted By: Jeremy
Holy shit dude, call it. It's fucking freaky. It's some guy on the other line saying "H-hello? Can anyone hear me? Please help."
I wish they were calling it "Batman Begins Returns" so everyone knew it was the Batman from Batman Begins returning. Now people will think it's a movie about the black knight fighting king arthur. There will be riots in the theaters. Popcorn will run red with blood.
throughout the teaser, but most notably towards the end, there is a drumbeat ...sounding... beat repeating. while watching the quicktime, i just assumed it was a regular beat.
however, i saw the simpsons the other day and saw the batman teaser on the big screen and theater sound. and that sound really reminded me of the joker "laughing bag" thing from the very end of the 89 flick.
And, yeah, gob, the laughing at the end of the trailer sounds similar to the laughing at the end of the '89 film when the Joker has fallen and that toy keeps laughing after he's dead. Nice catch, I wouldn't have noticed it if you hadn't mentioned it.
I was at the Chicago con today, checked out a lot of cool shit and got some of it for free. I figured instead of sitting in on a DC panel this year I'll check out something else, since Countdown sucks and it's gonna have tons of spin offs and mini series I don't care about. Besides, a lot of the news was already reported from San Diego. I've had enough DC Nation. So after meandering about the main hall my friend and I come back around "home base" (the DC/Mattel booths) to see the people that must have gotten out of the DC Nation panel. "Suckers" I thought, "I ain't listening to Dildio talk for an hour, I'm gonna see something new". Then I see a bunch of people around with "The Dark Knight" t-shirts. Whatever. Then I find those same people are lined up for a surprise panel announced during the DC Nation panel. They can't bring cell phones, recording devices, or anything like that. The panel is that top secret. I figured, oh well, I'll check out whatever trailer or teaser they show on Newsarama later.
It wasn't just a trailer.
It wasn't just teaser images.
The host of the panel introduced a bunch of the cast and crew of the movie. Filming is downtown Chicago, so everyone is around.
Christian Bale, Christopher Nolan, Aaron Eckhart, Heath Ledger, and probably more sat and answered questions about "The Dark Knight".
And I...fucking...missed it.
What has two thumbs and deserves the "Mother Fuck!!" of the year award? <---this guy
Hey, I've just come from Wizard World Chicago, one of the biggest comic cons in America, something I try and go to every year, but this year was by far the best con experience I've ever had.
Yesterday at a DC comics panel, Editor Dan Didio stepped aside at the end for a special presentation, and Bob Wayne ( I know he has something to do with sales, I don't remember his official title) got up to address some rumors. There was a secret panel the next day, and for the first people to attend the con and get wrist bands, there would be something about a movie, "They may or may not be working on, and they may or may not be filming currently in the city." This went up to crazy cheers.
I got back to the con this morning at 7:00 AM which is two hours before they let weekend pass owners enter, without a weekend pass you don't get in until ten. Longest two hours of my life, and when they let us in, we all lined up inside the main show room. It took us another hour before we were given wrist bands, and a batman t-shirt, with the date of the con, and the bat symbol on the front, with THE DARK KNIGHT IN THEATERS JULY 2008.
At about 3:00 pm, I got BACK in line and waited until six. We had been warned the day before when the panel was announced, that there would be no cameras, cell phones, ipods, or anything else that could be used as a recording device.
Paul Levitz president and publisher of DC comics took the stage to thunderous applause, and introduced David Goyer, Jona Nolan, Gary Oldman, Aaron Eckhart, and Christian Bale, and then Chris Nolan himself! Oldman through Nolan all got standing ovations.
They did Q&A for about 45 mins, which was incredible, but having just left, I haven't let my mind sort it all out yet. Then, they showed the footage. Chris Nolan seemed really nervous about showing footage. He said it was rough and incomplete and uthat he had a hard time showing anyone unfinished product.
Honest to God, I don't know what he was worried about. Any apprehension I had about the Joker's apperance disappeared. He doesn't look like the classic Joker in any way shape or form, and from what I can tell he has visable makeup lines, so I am guessing whatever causes his "Transformation" in this one will be nothing like any other telling of the joker.
It was short, and didn't give away to much, so I'll try and just bring up the highlights.
-- The Joker looks terrifying. There is footage of him in interrogation with a voice over from Gordon, they can't find whatever it is they are looking for on him, "All he had in his pockets was lint, and a knife."
--There are explosions, shots of the batmobile, and what looks like a tube holding the bat costume rising from the floor.
-- There is a shot of the Joker walking down and apparently enflamed city street, laughing and firing what looked like a tommy gun, but really could have been another automatic rifle.
-- Bruce Wayne meets Harvey Dent for the first time, Dent: "The famous Bruce Wayne, Rachel has told me all about you!" Wayne: "I hope not."
A lot of quick cuts, the batmobile exploding through a wall of flame, the joker holding Maggie Gyllenhal at knife point, and Batman kicking through the door in the interrogation room from the beginning of the clip, he lifts the Joker over his head and slams him on the table... HARD.
AND THEN...
A coin flips onto a counter next to a glass on a bar, the bartender starts to pour the shot before looking up, his response, "Jesus, Harvey, I thought you were dead!" A hand picks up the shot, and it is slammed off screen before Aaron Eckhart's voice answers, "Half."
That was it, the crowd went nuts, before con volunteers started running up and down the isles of the pannel with blacklights, and the shirts had in I guess blacklight reactive ink HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA printed all over them. I was in one line or another for about 11 hours today, and it was completely worth it. The trailer and footage were incredibly badass, and I am now looking forward to this movie even more than I was.
Anyway, no pictures or recording devices were allowed in the panel, but I do have some cool pictures of the free shirt below.
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Anyway, if you use this, call me, THE GODDAMMED BATMAN
There was also a leak with some big spoilers the other day that got taken down REALLY quick and I missed seeing it. Luckily, nobody that saw it told me what they saw. Lucky 'cause apparently they were good spoilers.
[WWC] ‘DARK KNIGHT’ FOOTAGE MAKES ITS DEBUT A full report on the first look at Christopher Nolan’s Batman sequel including the Joker, the Batpod and…Two Face?
By Kiel Phegley Posted August 11, 2007 8:40 PM
Minutes ago, the capacity crowd at Wizard World Chicago was treated to the first look at “The Dark Knight” – the much anticipated sequel to fan favorite “Batman Begins.” With actors Christian Bale, Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart on hand along with Nolan and screenwriters Jonah Nolan and David Goyer, DC Publisher Paul Levitz led the crowd through a spirited and secretive Q&A before getting to a sneak peek at the Dark Knight’s most recent on-screen battle with his arch nemesis, The Joker.
Fans were only allowed to see it once, and while it might be some time before the footage will be released to theaters across America, Wizard Universe was on hand to witness the action and give a full report.
The footage started with a silhouette of a dark figure in front of one of Batman’s armored vehicles before quickly cutting to Bruce Wayne and Alfred delivering the brief lines heard in the “Dark Knight” teaser trailer.
“Some people just want to watch the world burn,” advises Alfred before the camera jumps to Batman in action on the Batpod, the new iteration of his motorcycle.
The action built up as the Joker was seen in full for the first time with a mess of white face, smeared red lipstick and sweaty, straggly green hair. Apparently, the clown prince of crime gets arrested at one point in the film, as the montage presented Jim Gordon (complete in SWAT gear) at the Joker’s booking, saying, "no prints, no ID, custom clothes, no tags.” The clown smiles with what appears to be blood over his face from the inside of an interrogation room.
Checking back in with Bruce Wayne, the billionaire playboy has a brief scene with Eckhart’s Harvey Dent where he says “Rachel’s told me everything about you.”
“I truly hope not,” responds Wayne.
The footage sped up at that point into an intense montage of action, featuring the following clips:
- The new batsuit rising up from a trap door in the ground and held in a chain metal case.
- Rachel Dawes (played by Maggie Gyllenhaal) close to an unidentified man either kissing him or being threatened by him as the camera rotates around them.
- The Joker and Batman battling in close quarters (possibly a hospital room). Batman throws Joker over a table and crashing into the ground while the clown smiles at him. It should be noted that the Joker was done up in his signature purple suit.
- Plenty of big, bold Batmobile action including a shot where the tank-like car drives through a wall of flame. In fact, flames were pretty much everywhere in the footage as it appears Joker does actually make the world burn.
- There is also a shot of a somewhat grim-faced Joker walking across a city street mercilessly firing a machine gun as well as a television close-up of the Joker laughing hysterically.
- Two major additions to the speculation that Two Face will appear in the film came in the form of a single shot of a spinning 50 cent piece and the final image: after the action montage has slowed down, the camera cuts to a bartender looking at Harvey Dent, whose only onscreen presence is his left shoulder and a bit of a reddish-purple scarred neck. “Dent! I thought you were dead!” the man gasps, to which Harvey replies, “Half.”
[WWC] ‘THE DARK KNIGHT’ PANEL Director Christopher Nolan leads an impressive panel for a short Q&A session at Wizard World Chicago for the first look at ‘The Dark Knight’
By the Wizard Staff Posted August 11, 2007 9:45 PM
At Wizard World Chicago on Saturday, DC and Warner Bros. Pictures teamed up to present an exclusive panel on “The Dark Knight,” the much-anticipated sequel to “Batman Begins.”
Wizard Editor-in-Chief Scott Gramling opened the presentation by introducing DC Publisher and President Paul Levitz, the moderator of the panel.
Levitz then introduced, in order: David S. Goyer (story); Jonathan Nolan (co-screenwriter); Gary Oldman (Lt. Jim Gordon), who ambled on stage and did a little dance and received a standing ovation; Aaron Eckhart (Harvey Dent), who came out holding his hand vertically in the middle of his face, much to the crowd’s delight; Christian Bale (Bruce Wayne/Batman), sporting a black cap; and Christopher Nolan (director). Here’s how the panel went down:
PAUL LEVITZ: Aaron, would you like to say a word…or two? [Audience applauds]
AARON ECKHART: So that’s how it’s gonna be now, huh? [Audience laughs] I just want to say thank you for letting me be a part of this amazing tradition. It’s been such a pleasure to be working with Gary, Christian, Chris and the rest of this incredible cast and crew. You guys are all going to be very pleased.
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: I just want to say how excited we are to be back here at Wizard World Chicago again. The last time we were here, we were only three weeks into the shooting schedule. I love Chicago, it’s just an incredible place architecturally and the town is great. This time we wanted to expand the scope of the shooting and wanted to include real buildings, real streets and more location shooting. You wouldn’t believe how many people in Chicago come up to me and thank me for bringing this film to life.
QUESTION: What’s the best part about working together again?
CHRISTIAN BALE: It’s like how any relationship progresses. There’s an increase in communication and trust. Chris' movies are fantastic. It’s great working together again for the third time, the second time on this character. We stride purposely toward the good of the movie from the get-go.
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: It’s extraordinary to work with Christian again. He has extraordinary precision, and the great thing about working with him is his ability to do a lot of the physical work and the stunts. It makes my job easier to be able make this film with someone with his extraordinary talents.
CHRISTIAN BALE: It was like riding a bike. The second you put on the suit, to me, there’s only one way to play it.
How different is it preparing for superheroes and supervillain roles as opposed to traditional roles?
GARY OLDMAN: I think it always helps to have good material. If the script is well written, I like to think of it as my map of the world. The roles you take on have particular hurdles. There’s no particular approach you take on, whether it’s Gordon or Sid Vicious. A lot of roles I play are hard to research. But with this project there are great characters, great script and a great cast.
AARON ECKHART: I cannot add to what Gary just said. It would be blasphemy and I’d be kicked out of the union.
I’d like to know what you guys thought of all the viral marketing done for the movie and if you know if we can expect anything else, say, around December? [Audience laughs]
JONAH NOLAN: I don’t know anything. [Audience laughs]
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: There’s nothing we can say about it.
Were you guys behind it?
JONAH NOLAN: No. [Audience laughs]
In that original teaser trailer you showed for “Batman Begins,” there was a scene where Christian said “Me!” [in a scary voice]. Why was that not in the movie?
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: That scene was filmed special for the teaser trailer. We wanted to give people an idea of the movie and the story without giving away any of the story.
Aaron, does something happen to your face in this film?
AARON ECKHART: I don’t speak English. [Audience laughs]
Gary, I read somewhere you’re considering retirement. Isn’t there any way we can convince you to stay around for a third film?
GARY OLDMAN: You can’t believe what you read in those rags. Every actor has considered retirement at one time or another. Didn’t Sean Penn say 15 years ago he was going to retire? [Audience laughs]
Chris, what did you do to become the great director you became since you didn’t get formal training?
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: Thank you. That’s very kind. All I can usefully say is I always made films growing up with our older brother Matt from Super 8 films to 16MM and up to 35MM. I’m very lucky to be doing something I love and enjoy.
Chris and Jonah, when you guys have worked together in the past, like on “Memento,” you have a very distinctive style when it comes to writing. Are you using a similar style here?
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: As far as the chronological style? No less than in “Batman Begins.” The challenge for us here, and this is something I spoke to David and Jonah a lot about, was more that there were lots of characters and more of an epic scope to this film. The storytelling is very much conventional drama. The challenge was in juggling a fat story.
PAUL LEVITZ: I’ve noticed a similarity in style not so much in terms of how time works, but on how you treated the characters. Do you feel like as far as how the characters moved through the story that was the case?
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: Yeah. It was all about trying to figure out whose point of view each scene was from, whose story which part of the movie was and how you could relate to the characters.
This is a question for both Mr. Bale and the writers: Will you be playing up more of the “Dark Knight Detective”/criminologist angle of Batman this time? [Audience applauds]
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: The short answer is “Yes.” The long answer is that “Batman Begins” was an origin story and the important thing was to move the story forward. In this movie, the detective stuff will help move the story along.
This is for Christian. What do you find more physically demanding? Something like this or something like “The Machinist” where you had to change your physical appearance?
CHRISTIAN BALE: I think those things are entirely different. This role is about moving with a power and force. “Machinist” required more mental discipline, and I was at a point where I was so weak I couldn’t have even walked across this stage. And in this one it’s essential that the character be physical.
Rachel Dawes is in this film again but already served her purpose in the first film as a love interest who tells Bruce that he’s become Batman. Why bring her back?
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: Will she serve a real purpose again? Yes, but you have to see the movie.
What are the most important aspects of the Joker that you needed to incorporate in this film?
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: We looked at it the other way around. We found a way of looking at the character and saw what role he would play in the film. The Joker card at the end of the first film created the right kind of feeling. That was the hook that got us thinking about the next one. We were looking through comics and Joker stories and we started writing the treatment before we even wrote “The Prestige.”
Jonah called me and said, “Have you read the first two Joker appearances?” I had but not in a really long time. We’ve come around to something that’s eerily close to those first two appearances.
DAVID GOYER: Once we established “Batman Begins,” it was one take on Batman. The Joker was a little more theatrical, a little more comedic, the way Jack Nicholson played him. We had to decide how does the Joker fit in this world?
JONAH NOLAN: It was not how to get into the character of the Joker but how to get him out of my head. I spent so much time researching the Joker, I felt he was in my head.
On a scale of 1 to 10, is there any interest in a Batman/Superman World’s Finest movie?
DAVID GOYER: For me, after working on this project, it’s zero.
JONAH NOLAN: When I was a teenager, my brother gave me a copy of The Dark Knight Returns, which has a very similar scene in it. I couldn’t put a number on it.
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: Creatively, I’m burned out so I have no interest.
PAUL LEVITZ: What do you say, Christian? Do you want to wrestle Superman? [Audience roars]
CHRISTIAN BALE: [Nods confirming he’d like to as the audience screams in excitement]
What can you say about Heath Ledger’s performance thus far?
GARY OLDMAN: He is going to knock everyone out of the park.
CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: What Heath is doing is indescribable. It’s brilliant. Heath has nailed it.
Man, I hope they just forget the whole "Superman/Batman" thing. Unless the two characters are together in a JLA movie, I have zero interest in seeing Batman and Superman together in a movie...
It does..I haven't been able to watch it again after the second viewing...it's boring as shit and Bale over acts in almost every part. Nolan does direct it nicely though...
I think its a notch below X2. The only thing X2 has over it is that I can watch X2 just about anytime I want. Begins I can't watch more than every couple weeks.
See, my point is that all who hold it up as some fucking Holy Grail are all just pissing in the wind...it isn't that good. But because everyone says it's supposed to be all "the shit" everyone thinks it is. It's hollow like most of the shit everyone holds sacred as some fucking miracle of celluloid or paper or any other form of entertainment. The fucking punisher with thomas Jane was just as fucking entertaining and every bit as good.
actually i just take it as people having different taste. Some people loved it. Some people didnt. of course PI should be able to understand that right?
Dude, if you use that opinion argument one more fucking time I'm am going to fucking go off and splurt a fucking nut I've been holding for one week all over your head.
That is week shit...not playa shit. You surely miss your mentor.
Get over yourself, Dave. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it wrong for others that do. Batman Begins was a solid, entertaining flick. Didn't like it? Cool. Go watch G.I. Joe reruns...
Mostly because someone doesn't give any credence to their opinion. It's just an opinion with no reasoning behind it. If they said because of this or that I might understand, and be done with it.
Including Joker kicking Batman, Batman beating the shit out of Joker, etcetera.
Fuckin' awesome. gobdamn, I love the purple suit. Many, many Batmen - reminds me of the ep in the TV series when Alfred dressed up as Batman to divert suspicion from the Bruce-being-Batman idea...
This has prolly come up before, but in the Joker pics I've seen, it looks like he's painted his face white instead of his skin actually being white. Anyone know why or if they're going in a different direction with the Joker here?
a) Joker is only "scarred" and simply puts on the grease paint. b) His skin continues to flake off and uses the grease paint as a desperation attempt to keep some semblance of a normal face. c) It's a reverse... the paint look is his actual face and the "normal skin" is his disguise, a la Nicholson in the first Bats. d) He's a robot.
I'm hoping for plan E -- they're gonna wait and surprise us with something cool about the Joker when we watch the movie, ala Ra's Al Guhl being Ducard.
As for the 'imitation batmen' -- I'm sure that's the truth of it. Someone mentioned (here?) -and I verified in photoshop- that if you take the BAtman With Rifle pic and lighten it up, the "other batman" is wearing a knit ski-cap.
Holy Beltway, Batman! Sen. Patrick Leahy has a part in the next Batman movie.
Leahy's scene was filmed this summer for "The Dark Knight" and involves Batman, played by Christian Bale, The Joker, played by Heath Ledger, and Alfred Pennyworth, played by Michael Caine.
The longtime Batman fan would reveal little about his role other than he is called the "distinguished gentleman."
"It's a pretty tense scene," said Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. "It's going to be a very interesting one."
He's done voice-overs on Batman cartoons, written the preface for a Batman book and had small roles in the last two Batman features.
He said he will donate his earnings from the film to the Kellogg-Hubbard children's library in Montpelier, where the senator got his first library card.
"The Dark Knight" is scheduled to be released next summer.
HONG KONG (Reuters) - The arrival of Batman in Hong Kong this November for filming of the latest Hollywood sequel has ruffled local politicians who say the masked hero could disrupt traffic and cause noise pollution, reports said Friday.
In "The Dark Knight" due for release next July, the caped crusader will leave Gotham City for Hong Kong to fight his enemies, Hong Kong's Standard newspaper reported.
But local politicians who met the film's producers on Thursday reportedly expressed concerns at the inconvenience and "traffic chaos," Batman might cause during the nine-day shoot.
One district councilor warned residents in the normally teeming, high-decibel city to "prepare earplugs" as the movie-makers planned to use a helicopter for late night scenes, the report added.
"Of course, we are worried that the residents will be disturbed," Kam Nai-wai, a district councilor for the affected downtown district of Central was quoted as saying.
Hong Kong's stunning, modern cityscapes and harbor panoramas have proven a draw for Hollywood producers in the past, including a "Tomb Raider" movie starring Angelina Jolie.
"We welcome the movie but want to ensure arrangements are hassle free," said Kwok Ka-ki, a legislator who attended the meeting. "Just don't get it done in the middle of the night at 2 a.m.," he told Reuters, referring to the helicopter sequences.
The Batman flick will be directed by Christopher Nolan and star Christian Bale, Heath Ledger and Michael Caine, with filming to also take place in Chicago and London according to reports.
A crew member died Monday in a crash on the set of the newest Batman film outside London.
Warner Bros. said the special effects technician was killed when a truck carrying a camera platform crashed into a tree outside London. The truck had been following a stunt vehicle believed to have been the Batmobile, according to Sky News.
The studio said the accident happened during a test run at a racetrack and that filming was not taking place at the time. No actors were involved in the accident.
"Jack Nicholson was the greatest Joker so, you know, how do you top that? Well, Heath Ledger's done it and he's extraordinary.
"He's gone in a completely different direction to Jack. Jack was like a clown figure, benign but wicked, maybe a killer old uncle. He could be funny and make you laugh.
"Heath is like a really scary psychopath. I did one scene with him and he was ready to go and had to come up in a lift and raid our place.
"I didn't see him for rehearsal and when he came out of the lift he was so incredible I forgot my lines. He frightened the life out of me.
"I'd never met him before. He's a lovely guy and his Joker is going to be a hell of a revelation in this picture."
7-Minute Dark Knight Prologue in December? Source: Superhero Hype! October 15, 2007
Omelette is reporting that Warner Bros. Pictures is planning to show a 7-minute The Dark Knight prologue featuring Heath Ledger as The Joker in front of screenings of Will Smith-starrer I Am Legend in IMAX theaters on December 14.
So is this going to be original material that won't be included in he film itself or is it just like an extended preview?
See, that's MY question too. I heard a rumor that it's Joker's Origin. That's pretty important to not be in the film, but I can see how they might exclude it.
Ledger stuck him right in the fucking neck. Dying in Batman's arms ala Jason Todd was a nice touch. By the way it was cool to see them introduce Robin and it was Jason Todd not Dick Grayson.
Roven, Nolan Talk TDK Author: Jett Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:09 PM TEXAS TIME: Director Chris Nolan and producer Charles Roven talked to KINO.DE and here's a bit of what they had to say (Note: translated via Google):
* As we already know, The Batman (Christian Bale) travels to Hong Kong. Producer Chuck Roven confirmed TDK‘s Asian trip, but would not reveal why Batman goes there. “Gangster hunting” was mentioned.
* The new Batman suit will be equipped with “lenses” -- some sort of Bat-sonar equipment.
* That prologue that will be shown in IMAX in December is the first 5 minutes of the film.***
* Here’s a translated quote from Chris Nolan: “[THE DARK KNIGHT] is not ‘The Joker Begins.‘ We did not want to tell how The Joker became what he is. In those five minutes [of the prologue], we show how The Joker goes from being a small-time crook to Gotham‘s greatest villain. It‘s like ‘The Rise of the Joker.’”
Thanks to all the BOF'ers for sending the heads up!
Piaso Diablo (of http://www.gothampublicworks.com message boards) figured it out! Got it! "The only sensible way to live in the (or possibly "this") world is without rules"
Yeah, me too. The whole point and, as far as I'm concerned, reason for Begins' success is the fact that it's a more realistic approach to the superhero/villian angle.
i think a "too real", "too fantastic" and "well balanced" batman story can be an awesome batman story if its well made.
begins was much aweshome. i have high hopes for dark knight.
i'm open to the joker's portrayal being the scary makeup route and/or the dipped in acid route and/or the never explained route. i've never been fanboy-enough to worry about these prometheus-like details. i just likes movies.
I dunno, I'm kinda with G-Man on this - it looks too "circus clown" and not "homicidalmaniacfacefuckedupbyacid clown".
That said, if they go with a new origin, that's cool - I may not be in love with this particular look for the Joker, but a good story (new origin or no) trumps everything else...
Personally, I'd prefer to not know the Joker's origins. I guess that's why I'm okay with them changing it from what it was in the 89 movie or The Killing Joke or the 50's version that says he was another costumed villain. I don't care as long as what they give me makes sense and is the good ole crazy as fuck, homicidal Joker.
Personally, I'd prefer to not know the Joker's origins.
i agree -- i actually never liked that whole aspect of "the killing joke." i much prefer the spin paul dini and bruce timm applied in "mad love", where the killing joke story, or the abusive father story, are two possible truths in the joker's warped and manipulative mind. he'll spin them out as he sees fit, but no one ever knows what really happened.
Originally Posted By: harleykwin
I dunno, I'm kinda with G-Man on this - it looks too "circus clown" and not "homicidalmaniacfacefuckedupbyacid clown".
i dunno, lady. this:
Originally Posted By: Uschi
is creepy as all fuck. disturbing, spooky... and creepy.
i really love the hannibal lector portrayal of the joker. the cool, collected, creepily calm, mastermind. clearly insane, but clearly a genius. he can get loud and zany when he needs or wants to be, but he's always in control. thats when mark hammill throws in that glutteral chuckle of his, which i've always found more powerful than the traditional bellow of "HA"s.
whether the joker's visage is caused from makeup, a dead person's severed face, or some magical acid that doesn't burn or kill but just turns things white... it really doesn't matter to me. if the guy is funny, disturbing, evil and creepy, i'm sold.
I dunno, I'm kinda with G-Man on this - it looks too "circus clown" and not "homicidalmaniacfacefuckedupbyacid clown".
That said, if they go with a new origin, that's cool - I may not be in love with this particular look for the Joker, but a good story (new origin or no) trumps everything else...
If I have to deal with natural web shooters, you can deal with a little makeup.
Besides, does it really matter? Yeah, we can deconstruct the pic this way and that all day long, but the whole dipped in acid thing isn't really a big part of the Joker character anyway. If they changed the fact that Superman's planet exploded or that Batman's parents were shot and killed in front of him, that might be a cause for alarm (notice the use of the word "might") but I just don't see the whole acid thing as mattering two bits.
Personally, I'd prefer to not know the Joker's origins.
Originally Posted By: harleykwin
I dunno, I'm kinda with G-Man on this - it looks too "circus clown" and not "homicidalmaniacfacefuckedupbyacid clown".
i dunno, lady. this:
Originally Posted By: Uschi
is creepy as all fuck. disturbing, spooky... and creepy.
Meh, I don't agree, but as I said - if Heath turns in a good performance - and he's a good actor, so I'm sure he will - and its a good story like BB was, I won't care about the clown make-up.
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i really love the hannibal lector portrayal of the joker. the cool, collected, creepily calm, mastermind. clearly insane, but clearly a genius. he can get loud and zany when he needs or wants to be, but he's always in control. thats when mark hammill throws in that glutteral chuckle of his, which i've always found more powerful than the traditional bellow of "HA"s.
On this I totally agree.
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whether the joker's visage is caused from makeup, a dead person's severed face, or some magical acid that doesn't burn or kill but just turns things white... it really doesn't matter to me. if the guy is funny, disturbing, evil and creepy, i'm sold.
That's what I was meant above by the "trumps" comment...
I dunno, I'm kinda with G-Man on this - it looks too "circus clown" and not "homicidalmaniacfacefuckedupbyacid clown".
That said, if they go with a new origin, that's cool - I may not be in love with this particular look for the Joker, but a good story (new origin or no) trumps everything else...
If I have to deal with natural web shooters, you can deal with a little makeup.
What's there to "deal" with? I don't get how saying I didn't like this particular look is equated with something so big that it has to be "dealt" with. I don't love this look, true, but so what? My point was that it won't matter if they give us a good story - hopefully one that is on par with the level of Batman goodness we got in BB.
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Besides, does it really matter? Yeah, we can deconstruct the pic this way and that all day long, but the whole dipped in acid thing isn't really a big part of the Joker character anyway. If they changed the fact that Superman's planet exploded or that Batman's parents were shot and killed in front of him, that might be a cause for alarm (notice the use of the word "might") but I just don't see the whole acid thing as mattering two bits.
As I said before, I don't care if they change his origin or not - or, as doc mentioned, even if there is no origin tale given at all. I didn't say that the origin mattered - or even that the Joker's look was really significant in the end, because regardless of whether I'm keen on it or not, his look isn't that big a deal. Just give me a good story with acting to match.
Personally, I'd prefer to not know the Joker's origins.
i agree -- i actually never liked that whole aspect of "the killing joke." i much prefer the spin paul dini and bruce timm applied in "mad love", where the killing joke story, or the abusive father story, are two possible truths in the joker's warped and manipulative mind. he'll spin them out as he sees fit, but no one ever knows what really happened.
Originally Posted By: harleykwin
I dunno, I'm kinda with G-Man on this - it looks too "circus clown" and not "homicidalmaniacfacefuckedupbyacid clown".
i dunno, lady. this:
Originally Posted By: Uschi
is creepy as all fuck. disturbing, spooky... and creepy.
no, it's not. he just looks like a shmuck in a cheap ass halloween outfit. I don't care about his "origin" or lack of, but he should at least look like something that would blow your mind. I've seen shitloads of better Jokers at Con. they should go the Conrad Veidt route.
Yep. In fact, if I can, I'll dig up a pic of my law school roommate at Halloween and post it. It looks like the same makeup job, which is to say: the 'slapped together after a six pack of Budweiser' look.
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they should go the Conrad Veidt route.
Indubitably. You want a "realistic" Joker without looking like a bad Halloween costume, all you have to do with go back to the source of the character in first place:
The latest installment of the Batman series will start filming in [Hong Kong] this month, but already the movie has hit several snags.
A scene in which Batman was to drop from a plane into the harbor has been axed after the movie's producers found the water quality could pose a potential health risk, the South China Morning post reported in its Sunday edition.
"The plan was for Batman to be seen jumping into the water and then climbing up some bamboo, or something similar," the Post quoted an unnamed production official as saying.
"But when they checked a water sample, they found all sorts of things; salmonella and tuberculosis, so it was canceled. Now the action will cut to inside a building," the official said.
Hong Kong's harbor has long been polluted by industrial and residential sewage, and swimming is not recommended
i think a "too real", "too fantastic" and "well balanced" batman story can be an awesome batman story if its well made.
begins was much aweshome. i have high hopes for dark knight.
i'm open to the joker's portrayal being the scary makeup route and/or the dipped in acid route and/or the never explained route. i've never been fanboy-enough to worry about these prometheus-like details. i just likes movies.
MTV: What do you think of another actor, Heath Ledger, playing the Joker in next summer's "The Dark Knight"?
Nicholson: Let me be the way I'm not in interviews. I'm furious. I'm furious. [He laughs.] They never asked me about a sequel with the Joker. I know how to do that! Nobody ever asked me.
MTV: It was never brought up?
Nicholson: No. It's like, in any area, you can't believe the reasons things do or don't happen. Not asking me how to do the sequel is that kind of thing. Maybe it's not a mistake. Maybe it was the right thing, but to be candid, I'm furious.
MTV: I'm surprised to hear you sounding competitive about a role like that.
Nicholson: Well, the Joker comes from my childhood. That's how I got involved with it in the first place. It's a part I always thought I should play.
MTV: Will you see the new film?
Nicholson: I'm not inclined to watch it because of what I said. But if it's a good movie, I'll catch up with it somewhere. I don't think they ever really captured Tim Burton's spirit [since he stopped being involved]. They kind of drove the franchise into the ground. Tim Burton's a genius. He had the right take on it. That's why I did the movie. I did the movie based on a single conversation with him. We both come from the cartoon world originally. We had similar ideas. Tim said [the Joker] should have a humorous dark side to him. [Burton is] one of the great moviemakers. I think the world of him. He's the most unassuming man. And he doesn't feel pressure. That's what I love about him. Once he's in there, he's smiling making the movie. That's it!
well he got the "they ran it into the ground once burton left" part just about right...but besides that im not worried about not having jacks blessing on the movie...
Yeah...It's not like Jack owns the rights to play the Joker for life.
No, but it's my understanding, both from this interview and the ones he gave around the time of the original movie, that the Joker really IS his favorite character and that he was a comic book fan growing up.
So, Jack, like any other fanboy (look in the mirror guys) is just expressing the way most of us would probably feel in his situation.
Nicholson and Shatner should start a "I Can't Believe They Brought It Back (and I'm Not In It!)" Club. Richard Hatch could be a member, but he got back in it...
He's too old, for one. The character isn't Burton's, for two. Have y'all heard about Heath's issues lately? And his Joker-journal where he pastes his inspiration, stuff he thinks Joker would find funny -- and put AIDS in it. That's getting into character. Jack didn't do jack.
He's too old, for one. The character isn't Burton's, for two. Have y'all heard about Heath's issues lately? And his Joker-journal where he pastes his inspiration, stuff he thinks Joker would find funny -- and put AIDS in it. That's getting into character. Jack didn't do jack.
Ledger and his "Joker Diary" Author: Jett Sunday, November 4, 2007 5:42 AM TEXAS TIME: According to an interview with the NEW YORK TIMES, playing The Joker was quite demanding on the actor who is portraying him, Heath Ledger. Here's a few excerpts:
He is here in London filming the latest episode of the “Batman” franchise, “The Dark Knight.” (Mr. Bale, as it happens, plays Batman; Mr. Ledger plays the Joker.) It is a physically and mentally draining role — his Joker is a “psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy” he said cheerfully — and, as often happens when he throws himself into a part, he is not sleeping much.
“Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,” he said. “I couldn’t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.” One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.
He carries his interests around with him, and his kitchen table was awash in objects: a chess set, assorted books, various empty glasses, items of clothing. Here too was his Joker diary, which he began compiling four months before filming began. It is filled with images and thoughts helpful to the Joker back story, like a list of things the Joker would find funny. (AIDS is one of them.) Mr. Ledger seemed almost embarrassed that the book had been spotted, as if he had been caught trying to get extra credit in school.
A "Joker Diary?" Man, dude is intense! (Thanks to "James K." for sending in the link.)
In fact, Gorshin is what made the Riddler a top tier Bat-villain. Prior to the TV series, the character had only appeared about three times in approximately twenty years. After the series premiered, however, the Riddler blew past everyone but Joker, Catwoman and Penguin in terms of villain popularity.
and he would have been invincible too, if he just stopped leaving clues everywhere.
riddler's best portrayal was in BTAS, as with many, many other things. the stylish hat and cane and arrogant persona... good stuff.
surprisingly enough, the best real-world (acting) riddler persona was not the riddler. ...though it was gorshin. he had a very cryptic and chilling guest appearance on CSI, just before his death, where his character was like a riddler-like mastermind. very noice.
and he would have been invincible too, if he just stopped leaving clues everywhere.
riddler's best portrayal was in BTAS, as with many, many other things. the stylish hat and cane and arrogant persona... good stuff.
surprisingly enough, the best real-world (acting) riddler persona was not the riddler. ...though it was gorshin. he had a very cryptic and chilling guest appearance on CSI, just before his death, where his character was like a riddler-like mastermind. very noice.
I seem to recall reading in an old Batman comic that Riddler wanted to get caught, which is why he leaves clues for Batman, whom Riddler knows to be a fantastic detective who always catches him.
riddler's best portrayal was in BTAS, as with many, many other things. the stylish hat and cane and arrogant persona... good stuff.
you realize that those things came from Gorshin, right? they were directly inspired by him.
i know there was an element of suave to gorshin's riddler at times, but... the majority was more so jokerish. all jumpy and giggly. the one-piece unitard didn't help much, either.
to me, the btas version came off as significantly calmer, more intellectual, more in control (not unlike the better persona of lex luthor, also from the timm/dini team)
but the unitard wasn't Gorshin. Gorshin hated it, and pushed for the suit, including hat and cane, which was his idea. this is why he was replaced by John Astin for a time.
the Dini/Timm was too calm and too similar to other criminals, notably their Clock King version and could've done with a touch of Gorshin's giggly and jumpy to stand out more.
I hated the eps where they'd have John Astin as Riddler.
As did everyone I know. The ironic thing about Astin's performance as the Riddler is that, if you've seen him in nearly anything else, he's a guy that SHOULD have been able to play the Riddler really well. Of course, the fact that Gorshin so perfectly owned the role made it a tough act for anyone to follow.
Y'know... we should create an OLD WOMEN WHO WERE HOT IN THE SIXTIES THAT WE'D FUCK thread...
hm.
Jacqueline Bisset. the first time i saw her in casino royale was probably the first time i fell in love. She didnt even have that big a scene but something about her....
Jacqueline Bisset. the first time i saw her in casino royale was probably the first time i fell in love. She didnt even have that big a scene but something about her....
Isn't that the same obnoxious douche that "sang" the Williams Superman theme? Somebody needs to shoot that guy, putting lyrics to scores kills us all inside.
Also email addresses: humanresources@whysoserious.com letterstotheeditor@thegothamtimes.com stories@rememberinggina.com feedback@gothamcityrail.com and we're supposed to get an email from wearetheanswer.com
*** whoever figures the red-circled puzzle out first wins a cookie.
Also email addresses: humanresources@whysoserious.com letterstotheeditor@thegothamtimes.com stories@rememberinggina.com feedback@gothamcityrail.com and we're supposed to get an email from wearetheanswer.com
*** whoever figures the red-circled puzzle out first wins a cookie.
Hmmmm..is the cookie coming from you or them?
BTW, the more links and info you put up about DK, the more psyched I get for this movie - and I was pretty stoked to begin with. But with all these clues and teases it really seems like they have a handle on the Joker. Damn sweet...
the more they put out about the Joker, the more I expect a swerve in the storyline that Two-Face will actually end up being the main villain of the movie.
I hope so. Two-Face has always been my favorite villain and it would seem kinda silly to have two chemically scarred villains in one movie. If it is true all the stuff we've seen so far is from early on in the movie, which is a good thing.
yeah, I'm thinking that's largely how it's gonna go. most of the Joker stuff will happen early on, then we get the scarring of Dent and his transformation as the main storyline of the film.
They've stated (somewhere ...in the Ledger interview?) that the movie is about BATMAN. Not the villain. Just like Begins. So, like, the teaser in December (I Am Legend) and the (same) first five minutes of the film will give Joker intro, but the focus will remain on Batman. It looks like they've got a tie between Joker and Two-Face though. All the hints tend to insinuate that Joker will be the cause of Harvey's transformation (even if it is through Maroni).
Not sure if this was posted somewhere in the previously 80+ pages of the thread, but Michael Caine's given an interview where he seems to confirm that this Joker is, in fact a guy with "normal" skin and hair who puts on makeup and hair dye:
When you see the make-up -- he looks like he's mentally gone. He puts the make-up on to disguise himself and then goes and never takes it off again, or washes, so gradually it looks like leprosy. I'm a great fan of Christopher Nolan. I thought 'Batman Begins' was the best Batman I'd ever seen. And I think this one will be better than that.”
the more they put out about the Joker, the more I expect a swerve in the storyline that Two-Face will actually end up being the main villain of the movie.
Have they said something like this was going to happen? I figured that the Harvey angle was being worked for Two Face to be introduced at the end, as a set up to being in the next movie, or something along those lines...
the more they put out about the Joker, the more I expect a swerve in the storyline that Two-Face will actually end up being the main villain of the movie.
Have they said something like this was going to happen? I figured that the Harvey angle was being worked for Two Face to be introduced at the end, as a set up to being in the next movie, or something along those lines...
no, they haven't said that (and they wouldn't because then it wouldn't be a swerve), but it's a classic misdirection ploy to focus people's attention on one aspect of something so that other aspects don't go noticed. they did the same thing with Ra's true identity in Begins.
I like the idea, and I get the whole "swerve" thing, but the Joker is the most recognized villian in Batman's arsenal - I can't imagine that he'll be utilized in the same the Scarecrow was.
Though, it would be sweet to psych out the fans like that.
That looks excellent! I think this is the first time that I am actually completely sold on the Joker's look for this movie.
I'm still not completely sold, especially given some of the other shots that didn't look as good. But I finally see the potential and am definitely giving this look a chance.
-- the letters with the blood dripped on them, unscrambled. The e-mail clue we got for applying as Joker Clowns (replying to the classified ad "correction" in the Gotham TImes) had a convoluted bit, using the answers for the "personality profile" that led someone to find the "mausoleum" page. Anyhow, one of the articles in the Gotham TImes had a mention of "Taffyface" being killed at 7:38 am. I have NO idea who figured out to change the time on their clock -- probably it just changed in some time zone (since the resolution surfaces at about 6:38pm my tiume). That's crazy though, I had no idea something like that could POSSIBLY be even an OPTION! And, opening the safe, it's just a bunch of bollocks leading us to yet another Gotham City site (the school district is up, as is Gotham Security Systems and a cab company).
So, in a list:
the e-mail said
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If you've finished my quiz, then it's time for the next step in the interview process, something to test your aptitude. Spaces count:
* Eighth * Sixth * Eighth * Ninth * Ninth * Second * Fourth * Second * Third
Click the safe. You'll notice a note. See the blood? Notice the letters next to them. TIME FOR TAFFY.. In an article on the Gotham Times, first page, Mobsters Fight For Dominance, at the very end it mentions Johnny “Taffyface” Linata died at 7:38 am.
The key to cracking the safe is 7:38 am.
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http://www.gothamusd.net/
there's a school.
Change the time on your computer to 7:38am. You get this:
Man, I know! I was trying all kinds of sources to figure out the stupid e-mail, then realized after about 20 that I had forgotten the first "eighth" and everything was for naught when I buggered about to find that 60% had already been solved. The rest got solved while I was playing catch-up. *shrug* I have no problem reaping the benefits of other peoples' work.
wikipedia is typically a good source for piecing stuff together. haven't followed up much on this, but for like "lost" and that "cloverfield" and all that other shtuff with secret hidden clues, they're great.
and then i can just read about it, and be lazy, but still dance around in my bat-man pajamas with glee upon hearing whatever new info.
Holy shit! I just got a phone call from a crooked GCPD cop threatening me and telling me to look up case or document 06559 or somesuch. I wish I had paid closer attention. He told me I know what to do.
Courtesy of wikipedia's dark knight page, a complete-ish (as they're being launched every day, it seems) list of current websites and links for the viral ad campaign.
2:42 PM TEXAS TIME: Several BOF'ers have informed us that they are now getting phone calls from "bad cops" telling 'em to keep their pieholes shut. The people being called are to "...seek out LC6551."
2:42 PM TEXAS TIME: Several BOF'ers have informed us that they are now getting phone calls from "bad cops" telling 'em to keep their pieholes shut. The people being called are to "...seek out LC6551."
Finally, the fucking map riddle was resolved. Some guys at the SHH forums just guessed that the word that the directions on the map spelled was "OUT OF TIME", since "out" was the first word that you could figure out with the maps available. So, go here: http://www.whysoserious.com/outoftime/
And click on the note, you'll see the dead body of Frederick Adler, the guy that appears at the Gotham Times. I almost went insane trying to do this, specially looking for a full map that apparently doesn't exists. But personally, I'd recommend you to read and know quite well almost all of the articles on the Gotham Times.
BTW, if you enter "Salvatore Maroni" on the search engine at the church site, you'll find this:
Holy shit! I just got a phone call from a crooked GCPD cop threatening me and telling me to look up case or document 06559 or somesuch. I wish I had paid closer attention. He told me I know what to do.
And log in as “BreitupKarl”, password “21485”. Then you can use the search engine to look for the LC6551 document, and voila, there it is. It says something about the gang wars and all that. The thing I noticed is that the LC6551 doc is signed by Larry Coniglia... the same man on the marriage certificate, where Sal Maroni was one of the witnesses. What does it means? I have no idea.
And for those getting tired of all this (I'm not, I'm loving this but there's a lot of people bitching at the SHH forums... but I never liked that place anyway, they allways seem to bitch about everything), according to http://www.whysoserious.com/outoftime, the next task will be the final one. We must look in "the funny papers" to know what it will be like.
here: http://www.gpdiad.com/feeds/as12061500/default.aspx you can hear a recording of gunfires and corrupt cops talking at Beth's House of Pies. It was cool because if you were loged in at 3 oclock you could hear it "live". But I don't understand a word of what they say, except something about Flass. Name: BarhyteGlenn Password: tevredenheid
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1:You order?
2:Just coffee for both of us.... Nobody sits here.
1: Flass's table.
2: Yeah, flass would eat off a train's floor
1: I hear he's lost alot of weight..
2: What do you expect? the guy's a vegetable.
Woman: Your coffee, You want anything with that?
1: Hey ?????, ????
woman: You sure you dont want pie or somethin?
2: ahh no thanks, missus made three pies for the thanksgiving. I'm all pied out.
woman: all of my tables, just coffee, what am I, some kinda barista or something?
1: Hey, I promise we'll tip good
woman: Half my tables, just drinking coffee, Now Mr. Falcone, he liked a piece of pie. Especially for the tip.
1. Whats she charging for the coffee
2: You know you gotta pay her to be the drop point..
1. lookit this will you, two bucks for the coffee
3--Its okay guys, coffee is on the department this time. Internal Affairs, hands on the table. I'll take your sidearms and we'll all go downtown.
2: Internal Affairs?
3. Keep your voices down. Hands on the table.
--scattered shots--
GET DOWN, GET DOWN. Fired, we got shots fired-
-oh god-
we need backup! officer down!
I dont give a damn whose in the parkinglot, you had to arrest us in the restaurant? Who do you think eats here? Boyscouts? Just who the hell ---??? Christ!
I need backup, 14-45 Malone,
-we've reported shots fired, -
we've got an officer down, repeat, officer down suspects are two white males on foot-
New Email from Wearetheanswer.com
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Please be advised that the active phase of the investigation pertaining to your tip has come to a close. The case is now under review by the corruption unit at the District Attorney's office.
Thank you for stepping forward to provide what has turned out to be crucial information in this investigation. By exposing corruption, you are part of making Gotham better, safer, stronger.
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oh god there was a cake and a phone and a call from Joker and a new poster was released and I can't even TRY to keep up with all this stuff and I'm not even able to DO most of it! Holy mother of god!
oh god there was a cake and a phone and a call from Joker and a new poster was released and I can't even TRY to keep up with all this stuff and I'm not even able to DO most of it! Holy mother of god!
Nolan chose not to give the villain an origin because, "To me, the Joker is an absolute. There are no shades of gray to him [...] He bursts in just as he did in the comics."
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The clown make-up is minimal; it only took an hour to apply to Ledger on each day of shooting, and the character is merely exaggerating his facial scarring. He never removes his make-up, and during the course of the film it worsens, resembling an infection.
Nolan chose not to give the villain an origin because, "To me, the Joker is an absolute. There are no shades of gray to him [...] He bursts in just as he did in the comics."
I like.
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[quote]The clown make-up is minimal; it only took an hour to apply to Ledger on each day of shooting, and the character is merely exaggerating his facial scarring. He never removes his make-up, and during the course of the film it worsens, resembling an infection.
Got 'em for NY. If I can get out of work in time I am so going to this...
and after getting this:
I saw the first six minutes of Batman.
And it was ridiculously awesome!
*spoilers* mebbe
I have absolutely zero misgivings about the make up look now - the moment that Ledger takes off the clown mask and you see the scarred make up wearing Joker beneath is
Creepy. As. Fuck.
As two of the henchmen say:
"I hear he wears make up."
"Make up?"
"Y'know - like war paint."
And it kinda is. This isn't Nicholson's forced smiling Joker. It's a scarred, smart and scary fucker who believes that "What doesn't kill you makes you stranger." And he says it like he's handing out some fun advice to a friend while he stuffs a grenade in a guy's mouth.
It's exactly what the review in the link G provided before states. Fantastic opening bank robbery, and at the Joker reveal the audience lost its fucking mind. Uschi you are gonna want to marry this Joker.
Got 'em for NY. If I can get out of work in time I am so going to this...
and after getting this:
I saw the first six minutes of Batman.
And it was ridiculously awesome!
*spoilers* mebbe
I have absolutely zero misgivings about the make up look now - the moment that Ledger takes off the clown mask and you see the scarred make up wearing Joker beneath is
Creepy. As. Fuck.
As two of the henchmen say:
"I hear he wears make up."
"Make up?"
"Y'know - like war paint."
And it kinda is. This isn't Nicholson's forced smiling Joker. It's a scarred, smart and scary fucker who believes that "What doesn't kill you makes you stranger." And he says it like he's handing out some fun advice to a friend while he stuffs a grenade in a guy's mouth.
It's exactly what the review in the link G provided before states. Fantastic opening bank robbery, and at the Joker reveal the audience lost its fucking mind. Uschi you are gonna want to marry this Joker.
I can't fucking wait to see this movie.
i hate all of you who got to see this. but yeah this movie cant get here fast enough...
Got 'em for NY. If I can get out of work in time I am so going to this...
and after getting this:
I saw the first six minutes of Batman.
And it was ridiculously awesome!
*spoilers* mebbe
I have absolutely zero misgivings about the make up look now - the moment that Ledger takes off the clown mask and you see the scarred make up wearing Joker beneath is
Creepy. As. Fuck.
As two of the henchmen say:
"I hear he wears make up."
"Make up?"
"Y'know - like war paint."
And it kinda is. This isn't Nicholson's forced smiling Joker. It's a scarred, smart and scary fucker who believes that "What doesn't kill you makes you stranger." And he says it like he's handing out some fun advice to a friend while he stuffs a grenade in a guy's mouth.
It's exactly what the review in the link G provided before states. Fantastic opening bank robbery, and at the Joker reveal the audience lost its fucking mind. Uschi you are gonna want to marry this Joker.
I can't fucking wait to see this movie.
i hate all of you who got to see this. but yeah this movie cant get here fast enough...
So the gotham times they handed out is a nice touch. pretty cool.
Aye, it was. Loved the stolen girl scout cookies article (stolen cookies?! a crime if ever there was one!), and the people who dressed up as jokers and sent in their pics must have been stoked to see their pics on the back page.
So the gotham times they handed out is a nice touch. pretty cool.
Aye, it was. Loved the stolen girl scout cookies article (stolen cookies?! a crime if ever there was one!), and the people who dressed up as jokers and sent in their pics must have been stoked to see their pics on the back page.
too bad that girl who turns tricks at fort carson and lake pueblo park didn't send any in.
I like the blue color and the idea behind the poster but the composition is not great. For example the bat silhouette is obscured by the window frames, making it hard to tell that it's a poster of Batman in the first place.
I'm really hoping they move the release date up. I'm gonna be in cities with Imax treaters before July 18th. There is no way in hell I'm gonna see this is a regular theater.
I've got an IMAX theater close by. Two or more, actually. I've been talking with my about signing up a bunch of fanboys and getting a theater to let us book a showing to ourselves on opening day. When Begins came out, I went in my BatGirl costume, of course, and the only other person there also dressed up was a 5 year old in his Batman pjs. I want to be in a crowd of geeks, goddamnit! I don't want to be the only one drooling and unblinking like I was at Begins! Plus, he bought the Comic store last October from the owner and I've been trying to come up with some ways for him to drum up more business.
Nu-uh. If ever there was a picture that said "Guardian of Gotham" that poster is it.
i dunno. what happens if he sees a robbery or explosion or something?
he's gotta run past accounting, where you know steve is going to talk his ear off, then he's gotta wait for the elevator, which will probably stop off on every floor, and if janet on 6 is there when the doors open, she's going to want to know why he's leaving so early, and thats going to make a huge stir, so he's going to have to feed her some lie, then work his way down to the parking deck to pick up his batmobile, wait in the line of cars while old man johnson, the security guard waves everyone through... and by that time, the joker is gone.
Nu-uh. If ever there was a picture that said "Guardian of Gotham" that poster is it.
i dunno. what happens if he sees a robbery or explosion or something?
he's gotta run past accounting, where you know steve is going to talk his ear off, then he's gotta wait for the elevator, which will probably stop off on every floor, and if janet on 6 is there when the doors open, she's going to want to know why he's leaving so early, and thats going to make a huge stir, so he's going to have to feed her some lie, then work his way down to the parking deck to pick up his batmobile, wait in the line of cars while old man johnson, the security guard waves everyone through... and by that time, the joker is gone.
i dunno. what happens if he sees a robbery or explosion or something?
he's gotta run past accounting, where you know steve is going to talk his ear off, then he's gotta wait for the elevator, which will probably stop off on every floor, and if janet on 6 is there when the doors open, she's going to want to know why he's leaving so early, and thats going to make a huge stir, so he's going to have to feed her some lie, then work his way down to the parking deck to pick up his batmobile, wait in the line of cars while old man johnson, the security guard waves everyone through... and by that time, the joker is gone.
Nu-uh. If ever there was a picture that said "Guardian of Gotham" that poster is it.
i dunno. what happens if he sees a robbery or explosion or something?
he's gotta run past accounting, where you know steve is going to talk his ear off, then he's gotta wait for the elevator, which will probably stop off on every floor, and if janet on 6 is there when the doors open, she's going to want to know why he's leaving so early, and thats going to make a huge stir, so he's going to have to feed her some lie, then work his way down to the parking deck to pick up his batmobile, wait in the line of cars while old man johnson, the security guard waves everyone through... and by that time, the joker is gone.
batman can't hang out indoors.
See, this is why you're not Batman - aside from missing the money, the body and the babes, this is what you would do if you were the Batman. By the time you were done getting out of the building in your halfassed manner all that would be left are dead people and empty kegs. The real Batman would break the glass, and swing away on a batline.
That said, the only thing that would've made that shot better is if it had been taken on a roof instead of inside an office building.
Originally Posted By: Uschi
This is... words. Words are insufficent to describe the ULTIMATE WIN! of these new goodies. Join me in a refrain of hominahominahominahominahomina
figure we're still more than half a year away from the movie even being in theaters. the promotion and hype will only get bigger. and better. and batter.
so i saw I Am Legend tonight on Imax...more importantly, i got to see that six minutes of sexy jokery goodness that came with the movie. Yeah, july needs to be now.
Watch the high-resolution theatrical trailer here: http://atasteforthetheatrical.com/ ... is one of the quick Joker shots ...him in the Batmobile?! (After "Why so serious?" and before "Let's put a smile on that face.")
Oh yeah. Dark Knight. Iron Man. Hellboy 2. 2008 is going to bring home the bacon.
no doubt! shitload of big movies coming out.
Oh, I just wanted to mention that in addition to loving how the Joker seems in the trailer, and Batman (of course) I am also diggin' on Alfred's portrayal as well. When Bruce is like, "What would you have me do?" and Alfred responds with "Endure" like, "you choose this path, so you need to step up to the plate now" - it just totally works. Love. It.
I read Wizard yesterday....The shots of Batman in a building are indeed his new Gotham Penthouse since the cave/house is still being rebuilt/remodeled.
Interesting. I would guess, between this and the emphasis on Ras in the last film (not to mention their ages) that Goyer and Nolan are fans of the O'Neill/Adams bat-era, during which Bruce lived in a penthouse atop the Wayne foundation and had an auxillary batcave in an abandoned subway tunnel below the facility.
Interesting. I would guess, between this and the emphasis on Ras in the last film (not to mention their ages) that Goyer and Nolan are fans of the O'Neill/Adams bat-era, during which Bruce lived in a penthouse atop the Wayne foundation and had an auxillary batcave in an abandoned subway tunnel below the facility.
The trailer makes it look like the temporary 'Bat Cave' is in the basement or something of a Wayne skyscraper with the big elevator in the middle and the Batmobile to the side.
The trailer makes it look like the temporary 'Bat Cave' is in the basement or something of a Wayne skyscraper with the big elevator in the middle and the Batmobile to the side.
Yeah, that's exactly the setup they gave Bruce during the 1970s.
Looked to me like a half-floor, like in Being John Malkovitch.
But it was full sized.
This is true. But with the vastness of the empty room, the dimensions looked more half-sized, despite not being so. It took a second look for me to notice it wasn't a half-floor. 'S all I'm sayin'.
Looked to me like a half-floor, like in Being John Malkovitch.
But it was full sized.
This is true. But with the vastness of the empty room, the dimensions looked more half-sized, despite not being so. It took a second look for me to notice it wasn't a half-floor. 'S all I'm sayin'.
Another clue is that that's the exact same room that Bruce and Alfred have the "People are dieing. What would you have me do?" exchange.
Interesting. I would guess, between this and the emphasis on Ras in the last film (not to mention their ages) that Goyer and Nolan are fans of the O'Neill/Adams bat-era, during which Bruce lived in a penthouse atop the Wayne foundation and had an auxillary batcave in an abandoned subway tunnel below the facility.
The trailer makes it look like the temporary 'Bat Cave' is in the basement or something of a Wayne skyscraper with the big elevator in the middle and the Batmobile to the side.
I remember that. The Wayne Building had a massive tree in the middle of it. It was about the time Lucius Fox was introduced.
Its just occurred to me that the appearance of the Joker means the last movie was a reboot, not a prequel. For those keeping score.
I still have to explain that do my parents and others. When I showed the new trailer to my dad he lost interest once he found out that the Joker wasn't Jack Nicholson.
Ok, it's probably been taken off already, but my brother in law said that a second trailer had been leaked yesterday that had the joker calling batman out into the street. I've looked, but I can't find it and the link he had to it is no longer working...
I still have to explain that do my parents and others. When I showed the new trailer to my dad he lost interest once he found out that the Joker wasn't Jack Nicholson.
why are your parents morons? they've said since work began on Batman Begins that it was a reboot. And why would your dad be dumb enough to expect Nicholson, now in his 70's, to be the main villain in an action movie? And how could he possible expect it to fit with the 1989 movie when the Joker was created and killed in that movie?
why are your parents morons? they've said since work began on Batman Begins that it was a reboot. And why would your dad be dumb enough to expect Nicholson, now in his 70's, to be the main villain in an action movie? And how could he possible expect it to fit with the 1989 movie when the Joker was created and killed in that movie? [/quote]
I've told them that several times but they just can't separate the movies. Their also old and senile.
Actor Mark Hamill, loved by fans for many things including voicing The Joker on the 'Batman' animated series, has praise for the upcoming 'Dark Knight' movie. He told MTV Movies Blog that he likes what he sees in Heath Ledger's portrayal of the clown prince of crime.
“The balls-out debauched psycho approach seems like a great way of reinventing everyone’s favorite scary (and scar-y) clown,” Hamill enthused. “Can’t wait to see it!
"For all those fans that dreamed of an adult approach to the material, ‘Batman Begins’ got nearly everything right,” Hamill continued. “I have no doubt this one will be just as good or better.”
Nicholson's Joker was over rated. Nicholson was basically playing an amped up homicidal version of himself, not the Joker. And Cesar Romero always looked weird with that "hidden" mustache.
No, seriously, this movie looks terrible. I'm not even gonna waste my life on a script this time around.
Well, i'm hoping we get a better trailer.
Admittedly, the current one is a tad underwhelming.
Aside from seeing the great cast, there's not much happening. It looks as if the idea was to just show the joker and we're supposed to get all geekified over that.
Yes, there's that as well. The having him stand in the middle of the street with a low-brow and glower was obviously meant to give the trailer an epic feel.
My main problem is how it's obviously gonna be another big morality/philosophy jig. In the original one, they're going on and on about symbols and identity and principles of action--And then fucking up their own moral standards with the ending. Now we hear Alfred giving lectures on basically the same kind of topics and how he's saying Bruce Wayne is obligated to protect Gotham after its apparently developed a dependence on him (utter bullshit).
The only thing I can give credit to Nolan for is his consistency. He knew from the very beginning that these storylines would never fly with the original Batman character since he had a dual identity. Now, with his strictly Bruce Wayne in a Batsuit persona, this little breakdown he's going to have fits Wayne's MO perfectly since the real Batman would be too driven to suffer such a handicap.
To top it off, the Joker isn't choosing to smile and laugh like his definitive character does. His face just got fucked up that way and so he runs along with it; he's not really insane...That is to say, he's not really super-sane. At least Burton had Nicholson lose it after developing his skin-condition.
you gotta remember that this is Batman at the Begining of his career. He is going to have some doubts through the hard times at the begining....it's not until he gets older that he becomes so driven.
Yes, there's that as well. The having him stand in the middle of the street with a low-brow and glower was obviously meant to give the trailer an epic feel.
My main problem is how it's obviously gonna be another big morality/philosophy jig. In the original one, they're going on and on about symbols and identity and principles of action--And then fucking up their own moral standards with the ending. Now we hear Alfred giving lectures on basically the same kind of topics and how he's saying Bruce Wayne is obligated to protect Gotham after its apparently developed a dependence on him (utter bullshit).
The only thing I can give credit to Nolan for is his consistency. He knew from the very beginning that these storylines would never fly with the original Batman character since he had a dual identity. Now, with his strictly Bruce Wayne in a Batsuit persona, this little breakdown he's going to have fits Wayne's MO perfectly since the real Batman would be too driven to suffer such a handicap.
To top it off, the Joker isn't choosing to smile and laugh like his definitive character does. His face just got fucked up that way and so he runs along with it; he's not really insane...That is to say, he's not really super-sane. At least Burton had Nicholson lose it after developing his skin-condition.
Pariah its a movie interpretation of a comic book, which means it does not have to fit 100% into any comic book criteria. Hell, there have been so many different interpretations of Batman and the bat villains etc in the comic books themselves, so why should the movies be any different?
Simple fact is, unlike many super hero movies, Begins actually managed to appeal to both comic nerds and non-comic reading movie goers.
Also, as PJP said, this is an early version of Batman, long before he himself becomes so ingrained in the Batman persona that Bruce then becomes the mask rather than the Bat.
Yes, there's that as well. The having him stand in the middle of the street with a low-brow and glower was obviously meant to give the trailer an epic feel.
90 second teaser trailers are rarely known for their depth and/or thought provocation. it is, by nature, a teaser of the movie's explosive elements; an attempt at generating hype some one-hundred and eighty days before the movie is even available to the public.
Originally Posted By: Pariah
My main problem is how it's obviously gonna be another big morality/philosophy jig. In the original one, they're going on and on about symbols and identity and principles of action--And then fucking up their own moral standards with the ending. Now we hear Alfred giving lectures on basically the same kind of topics and how he's saying Bruce Wayne is obligated to protect Gotham after its apparently developed a dependence on him (utter bullshit).
how is that wrong, though? its similar to the comics, its an interesting spin on the mythos... whats bad with this?
Originally Posted By: Pariah
And then fucking up their own moral standards with the ending.
the "imma let you die in the train" part?
that, i didn't really like. could absolutely live with in a mostly perfect movie representation of batman, but i didn't like it so much.
Originally Posted By: Pariah
The only thing I can give credit to Nolan for is his consistency. He knew from the very beginning that these storylines would never fly with the original Batman character since he had a dual identity. Now, with his strictly Bruce Wayne in a Batsuit persona, this little breakdown he's going to have fits Wayne's MO perfectly since the real Batman would be too driven to suffer such a handicap.
as others have said, there really is no "real batman" yet. at least that is how i interpret this series thus far. its a miller year one, not a miller dark knight.
Originally Posted By: Pariah
To top it off, the Joker isn't choosing to smile and laugh like his definitive character does. His face just got fucked up that way and so he runs along with it; he's not really insane...That is to say, he's not really super-sane. At least Burton had Nicholson lose it after developing his skin-condition.
the joker's "definitive" origin in comicdom, "the killing joke", saw him as a regular guy until falling into acid, and thus he "ran along with it." i think thats a crap definitive origin, but whatever -- at the very worst, its the movie taking from the source material.
whats more, i dont think we really know what the persona of the joker is pre-scarring. or even how he got the scar. maybe he did it himself? maybe he was just a fucked up guy in his early life? maybe he microwaved cats? maybe, like two-face, and/or theoretically like the "TKJ" joker, he was crazy all along but hid it, until his outter shell matched his insides, and his craziness spilled to the forefront.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Nicholson's Joker was over rated. Nicholson was basically playing an amped up homicidal version of himself, not the Joker.
Which was why he was perfect for the role. He fit the 89 film just as well as Caesar fit the 66 version.
nicholson's joker was great. perfect fit for the burton movie, where everything was sorta over the top, and honestly just amazing casting on its own. whether on-screen jack is the same as off is another question, but he's clearly nailed that particular role, and played that out in the 89 film.
whats more, i dont think we really know what the persona of the joker is pre-scarring. or even how he got the scar. maybe he did it himself? maybe he was just a fucked up guy in his early life? maybe he microwaved cats? maybe, like two-face, and/or theoretically like the "TKJ" joker, he was crazy all along but hid it, until his outter shell matched his insides, and his craziness spilled to the forefront.
They may not give us an official origin for the Joker, but in other variations (Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Burton's Batman) they've shown him to be a mobster before his transformation. I wouldn't be surprised to see that hinted at, as they have the Joker robbing mob run banks at the beginning of Dark Knight...
Last months's Wizard gave some reasons for the scarring......he was sliced up during a knife fight as a troubled youth. I can't remember if they said they would do any backstory in the movie....they should put it in as a DVD extra. I'll read the article again and let you guys know.
I think they are going to leave it open to interpretation as to the who and why. I'll let you know. I can't remember now.....it's been 2 weeks since I read it and about an eternity's events have happened to me since.
....who's the "real" Batman? What is the "definitive" Joker?
The real Batman is a guy who fights a retarded battle against an enemy that never dies. He knows this battle is retarded but he refuses to stop fighting it because he's compelled to.
The definitive Joker is a guy who's not Scarface.
I'm not saying what they are. I'm simply saying what they're not.
Pariah its a movie interpretation of a comic book, which means it does not have to fit 100% into any comic book criteria.
Fine. But what I'm trying to say is that, even with all the change people apply to their individual takes on Batman, there's still consistency that I would personally like to see and that I feel would add to the overall value of the characters.
For example: Of all the writers of Batman and all their different styles, I don't think anyone was willing to touch his origin like Nolan did. Mike Barr's Joe Chill story was at least set years after the incident.
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
how is that wrong, though? its similar to the comics, its an interesting spin on the mythos... whats bad with this?
Uuuhh.....It sucked.
Philosophy and Morality itself isn't a bad thing of course, but people don't go see Batman movie's for metaphysical nuance. The whole absorption of philosophy through extraneous elements thing was the worst part about the original movie and made it way too abstract. Subtle development of his own persona through his own observations would have been preferable to everyone else sticking their oar into Bruce Wayne's character (see also: Falcone, Racheal, Ra's, and Alfred giving lectures). In the origin story, defining himself is what Batman did without so many foreign opinions; it just would have fit better.
Although, like I said, I acknowledge that Nolan rearranged the origin so there'd just be Bruce Wayne with a suit, so it wouldn't work the same way it did with Batman. But at the same time, that doesn't make it a very involving or gripping story to me.
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as others have said, there really is no "real batman" yet. at least that is how i interpret this series thus far. its a miller year one, not a miller dark knight.
That was my point: Nolan hasn't made a real Batman. However you choose to interpret Batman's MO, it's not the same as recognizing whether or not he exists as a persona.
This isn't me being facetious or petty, Nolan really did make a point of selling this movie based on Batman being a "person." i.e. He wanted to write about a Bruce Wayne and not a Batman. This isn't just Year One; it's Year One with a Bruce Wayne who knows Joe Chill was the killer. That just morphs everything.
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the joker's "definitive" origin in comicdom, "the killing joke", saw him as a regular guy until falling into acid, and thus he "ran along with it." i think thats a crap definitive origin, but whatever -- at the very worst, its the movie taking from the source material.
Actually, the entire point of the book was to say that's what could have happened since its fit Joker's caveat of a "bad day" scenario.
But in any event: Whether or not any of us think he went crazy post- or pre-dip, the point is that he was never defined as a dude who smiled because his mouth was screwed up that way. His personality has always been about the dude who was smiling 'cuz he wanted to.
Ledger's Joker, on the other hand, is rather superficial. All attitude, very little apparent substance.
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whats more, i dont think we really know what the persona of the joker is pre-scarring. or even how he got the scar. maybe he did it himself? maybe he was just a fucked up guy in his early life? maybe he microwaved cats? maybe, like two-face, and/or theoretically like the "TKJ" joker, he was crazy all along but hid it, until his outter shell matched his insides, and his craziness spilled to the forefront.
To point: Nolan's crafting Joker's image based on the wound. If they hadn't thought of the sliced up face idea, they probably wouldn't have bothered even if the character they were thinking of was crazy.
It just seems to me that they're making extreme efforts to break away from the psychological and emphasize shock tactics more than anything else. And that confuses me; what's wrong with having basically normal looking people who are crazy as opposed to visually disgusting and scary figures? It makes me feel like I'm watching "The Batman" series where all of the enemies are made as monstrous and physically abnormal as possible for the sake of contextualizing the archetypes for the kiddies who watch the show.
Pariah its a movie interpretation of a comic book, which means it does not have to fit 100% into any comic book criteria.
Fine. But what I'm trying to say is that, even with all the change people apply to their individual takes on Batman, there's still consistency that I would personally like to see and that I feel would add to the overall value of the characters.
For example: Of all the writers of Batman and all their different styles, I don't think anyone was willing to touch his origin like Nolan did. Mike Barr's Joe Chill story was at least set years after the incident.
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
how is that wrong, though? its similar to the comics, its an interesting spin on the mythos... whats bad with this?
Uuuhh.....It sucked.
Philosophy and Morality itself isn't a bad thing of course, but people don't go see Batman movie's for metaphysical nuance. The whole absorption of philosophy through extraneous elements thing was the worst part about the original movie and made it way too abstract. Subtle development of his own personality through his own observations would have been preferable to everyone else sticking their oar into Bruce Wayne's personality (see also: Falcone, Racheal, Ra's, Alfred). In the origin story, that's exactly what Batman did in the first place, so it would have fit better. Although, like I said, I acknowledge that Nolan rearranged the origin so there'd just be Bruce Wayne with a suit, so it wouldn't work the same way it did with Batman. But at the same time, that doesn't make it an involving or gripping story.
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as others have said, there really is no "real batman" yet. at least that is how i interpret this series thus far. its a miller year one, not a miller dark knight.
That was my point: Nolan hasn't made a real Batman. However you choose to interpret Batman's MO, it's not the same as recognizing whether or not he exists as a persona.
This isn't me being facetious or petty, Nolan really did make a point of selling this movie based on Batman being a "person." i.e. He wanted to write about a Bruce Wayne and not a Batman. This isn't just Year One; it's Year One with a Bruce Wayne who knows Joe Chill was the killer. That just morphs everything.
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the joker's "definitive" origin in comicdom, "the killing joke", saw him as a regular guy until falling into acid, and thus he "ran along with it." i think thats a crap definitive origin, but whatever -- at the very worst, its the movie taking from the source material.
Actually, the entire point of the book was to say that's what could have happened since its fit Joker's caveat of a "bad day" scenario.
But in any event: Whether or not any of us think he went crazy post- or pre-dip, the point is that he was never defined as a dude who smiled because his mouth was screwed up that way. His personality has always been about the dude who was smiling 'cuz he wanted to.
Ledger's Joker, on the other hand, is rather superficial. All attitude, very little apparent substance.
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whats more, i dont think we really know what the persona of the joker is pre-scarring. or even how he got the scar. maybe he did it himself? maybe he was just a fucked up guy in his early life? maybe he microwaved cats? maybe, like two-face, and/or theoretically like the "TKJ" joker, he was crazy all along but hid it, until his outter shell matched his insides, and his craziness spilled to the forefront.
To point: Nolan's crafting Joker's image based on the wound. If they hadn't thought of the sliced up face idea, they probably wouldn't have bothered even if the character they were thinking of was crazy.
It just seems to me that they're making extreme efforts to break away from the psychological and emphasize shock tactics more than anything else. And that confuses me; what's wrong with having basically normal looking people who are crazy as opposed to visually disgusting and scary figures? It makes me feel like I'm watching "The Batman" series where all of the enemies are made as monstrous and physically abnormal as possible for the sake of contextualizing the archetypes for the kiddies who watch the show.
Pariah its a movie interpretation of a comic book, which means it does not have to fit 100% into any comic book criteria.
Fine. But what I'm trying to say is that, even with all the change people apply to their individual takes on Batman, there's still consistency that I would personally like to see and that I feel would add to the overall value of the characters.
For example: Of all the writers of Batman and all their different styles, I don't think anyone was willing to touch his origin like Nolan did. Mike Barr's Joe Chill story was at least set years after the incident.
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
how is that wrong, though? its similar to the comics, its an interesting spin on the mythos... whats bad with this?
Uuuhh.....It sucked.
Philosophy and Morality itself isn't a bad thing of course, but people don't go see Batman movie's for metaphysical nuance. The whole absorption of philosophy through extraneous elements thing was the worst part about the original movie and made it way too abstract. Subtle development of his own personality through his own observations would have been preferable to everyone else sticking their oar into Bruce Wayne's personality (see also: Falcone, Racheal, Ra's, Alfred). In the origin story, that's exactly what Batman did in the first place, so it would have fit better. Although, like I said, I acknowledge that Nolan rearranged the origin so there'd just be Bruce Wayne with a suit, so it wouldn't work the same way it did with Batman. But at the same time, that doesn't make it an involving or gripping story.
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as others have said, there really is no "real batman" yet. at least that is how i interpret this series thus far. its a miller year one, not a miller dark knight.
That was my point: Nolan hasn't made a real Batman. However you choose to interpret Batman's MO, it's not the same as recognizing whether or not he exists as a persona.
This isn't me being facetious or petty, Nolan really did make a point of selling this movie based on Batman being a "person." i.e. He wanted to write about a Bruce Wayne and not a Batman. This isn't just Year One; it's Year One with a Bruce Wayne who knows Joe Chill was the killer. That just morphs everything.
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the joker's "definitive" origin in comicdom, "the killing joke", saw him as a regular guy until falling into acid, and thus he "ran along with it." i think thats a crap definitive origin, but whatever -- at the very worst, its the movie taking from the source material.
Actually, the entire point of the book was to say that's what could have happened since its fit Joker's caveat of a "bad day" scenario.
But in any event: Whether or not any of us think he went crazy post- or pre-dip, the point is that he was never defined as a dude who smiled because his mouth was screwed up that way. His personality has always been about the dude who was smiling 'cuz he wanted to.
Ledger's Joker, on the other hand, is rather superficial. All attitude, very little apparent substance.
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whats more, i dont think we really know what the persona of the joker is pre-scarring. or even how he got the scar. maybe he did it himself? maybe he was just a fucked up guy in his early life? maybe he microwaved cats? maybe, like two-face, and/or theoretically like the "TKJ" joker, he was crazy all along but hid it, until his outter shell matched his insides, and his craziness spilled to the forefront.
To point: Nolan's crafting Joker's image based on the wound. If they hadn't thought of the sliced up face idea, they probably wouldn't have bothered even if the character they were thinking of was crazy.
It just seems to me that they're making extreme efforts to break away from the psychological and emphasize shock tactics more than anything else. And that confuses me; what's wrong with having basically normal looking people who are crazy as opposed to visually disgusting and scary figures? It makes me feel like I'm watching "The Batman" series where all of the enemies are made as monstrous and physically abnormal as possible for the sake of contextualizing the archetypes for the kiddies who watch the show.
I've never been so certain of a movies awesomeness as I am right now.
The pubic hair that collects in the shower drain is a hell of alot better than Gigli! What's your point? Ghost Rider was a nauseating abomination of a movie. It ranks up there with Elektra, Batman&Robin, Superman IV, and Catwoman...
Why would I not stick up for a movie I have already said I enjoyed in the past? I mean, its not like you have never stuck up for something you like (read Beardguy) when other people slag it off!
I must have missed a rehearsal somewhere along the way.
Don't worry about it. It involved my charm, and a musical number with Ray Adler. I think it might have even been cut at the last minute. Wait for the Director's Cut...
Heath Ledger was found dead Tuesday at a downtown Manhattan residence in a possible drug-related death, police said. He was 28.
NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said Ledger had an appointment for a massage at the Manhattan apartment believed to be his home. The housekeeper who went to let Ledger know the masseuse was there found him dead at 3:26 p.m.
Hey folks, Harry here... There's a lot of rumors swirling around right now in regards to Heath and where his involvement with THE DARK KNIGHT was. I got it confirmed from a source involved in Post-Production on THE DARK KNIGHT. Heath's post work was complete. He had indeed finished it...there will be no-dubbing on Heath in THE DARK KNIGHT - his performance was finished.
selfishly i (along with the who's online obsessor) am a little curious (concerned?) about how this, y'know, pesky death thing will disrupt advertising of the movie. will WB be afraid (and perhaps rightfully so) of depicting the joker all super creepy and dark and such in the pre-movie promos?
like, the "why so serious" poster, with the bloody smile... have we seen the last of that?
I keep thinking back to the first Crow movie (which was, oddly enough, the LAST good Crow movie) and trying to remember how the studios handled that. Granted, that was well over a decade ago, and America has pussified a lot since then.
Marketers are soulless assholes who don't give a shit about what happened. They will continue to hype this movie no matter what. I think that they will tone down some of the ads and they won't advertise it as much but right now this movie doesn't need that. I was half joking with my previous comment. This movie has all the hype it will ever need now.
On a related note once I heard he died I couldn't stop thinking about his laugh from the trailer. I think this will add another whole dimension to the movie that will make the Joker even creepier.
I'm inclined to agree wtih Rex and TK-069, There was a danish airline who once said that there was no such thing as bad publicity.
And besides, even if there were I doubt this will hurt The Dark Knight, quite the contrary.
i think that a lot of people will see it just because of the morbid curiosity. Either way this will be one of those films that will probably spawn urban legends. Some "curse" killed him or his ghost is visible in a scene or there are some weird predictions of his death in certain scenes.
selfishly i (along with the who's online obsessor) am a little curious (concerned?) about how this, y'know, pesky death thing will disrupt advertising of the movie. will WB be afraid (and perhaps rightfully so) of depicting the joker all super creepy and dark and such in the pre-movie promos?
like, the "why so serious" poster, with the bloody smile... have we seen the last of that?
We can only hope.
It would RAWK if that movie went down in flames over this. Then Heath wouldn't have died for nothing.
By Christopher Nolan | NEWSWEEK Feb 4, 2008 Issue | Updated: 3:21 p.m. ET Jan 26, 2008
Heath Ledger, 28, Actor
Best known for his haunting, Oscar-nominated performance as Ennis Del Mar, one of the gay cowboys in 2005 ' s "Brokeback Mountain," Ledger was a massive young talent on the cusp of greatness when he died last week in New York. The native Australian, who is survived by his 2-year-old daughter, Matilda, had recently finished work on this summer's "Batman" sequel, "The Dark Knight," in which he plays a villain, the Joker. Christopher Nolan, the film's director, shared these memories:
One night, as I'm standing on LaSalle Street in Chicago, trying to line up a shot for "The Dark Knight," a production assistant skateboards into my line of sight. Silently, I curse the moment that Heath first skated onto our set in full character makeup. I'd fretted about the reaction of Batman fans to a skateboarding Joker, but the actual result was a proliferation of skateboards among the younger crew members. If you'd asked those kids why they had chosen to bring their boards to work, they would have answered honestly that they didn't know. That's real charisma—as invisible and natural as gravity. That's what Heath had.
Heath was bursting with creativity. It was in his every gesture. He once told me that he liked to wait between jobs until he was creatively hungry. Until he needed it again. He brought that attitude to our set every day. There aren't many actors who can make you feel ashamed of how often you complain about doing the best job in the world. Heath was one of them.
One time he and another actor were shooting a complex scene. We had two days to shoot it, and at the end of the first day, they'd really found something and Heath was worried that he might not have it if we stopped. He wanted to carry on and finish. It's tough to ask the crew to work late when we all know there's plenty of time to finish the next day. But everyone seemed to understand that Heath had something special and that we had to capture it before it disappeared. Months later, I learned that as Heath left the set that night, he quietly thanked each crew member for working late. Quietly. Not trying to make a point, just grateful for the chance to create that they'd given him.
Those nights on the streets of Chicago were filled with stunts. These can be boring times for an actor, but Heath was fascinated, eagerly accepting our invitation to ride in the camera car as we chased vehicles through movie traffic—not just for the thrill ride, but to be a part of it. Of everything. He'd brought his laptop along in the car, and we had a high-speed screening of two of his works-in-progress: short films he'd made that were exciting and haunting. Their exuberance made me feel jaded and leaden. I've never felt as old as I did watching Heath explore his talents. That night I made him an offer—knowing he wouldn't take me up on it—that he should feel free to come by the set when he had a night off so he could see what we were up to.
When you get into the edit suite after shooting a movie, you feel a responsibility to an actor who has trusted you, and Heath gave us everything. As we started my cut, I would wonder about each take we chose, each trim we made. I would visualize the screening where we'd have to show him the finished film—sitting three or four rows behind him, watching the movements of his head for clues to what he was thinking about what we'd done with all that he'd given us. Now that screening will never be real. I see him every day in my edit suite. I study his face, his voice. And I miss him terribly.
Back on LaSalle Street, I turn to my assistant director and I tell him to clear the skateboarding kid out of my line of sight when I realize—it's Heath, woolly hat pulled low over his eyes, here on his night off to take me up on my offer. I can't help but smile.
That's really nice to hear. It really seems like he was a great guy. In the movie business that is rare. He really nailed this part and this may become the DEFINITIVE Joker after this movie. Just like Bale's Batman is becoming the DEFINITIVE Batman. (sorry Pariah)
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
That's really nice to hear. It really seems like he was a great guy. In the movie business that is rare. He really nailed this part and this may become the DEFINITIVE Joker after this movie. Just like Bale's Batman is becoming the DEFINITIVE Batman. (sorry Pariah)
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
That's really nice to hear. It really seems like he was a great guy. In the movie business that is rare. He really nailed this part and this may become the DEFINITIVE Joker after this movie. Just like Bale's Batman is becoming the DEFINITIVE Batman. (sorry Pariah)
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
That's really nice to hear. It really seems like he was a great guy. In the movie business that is rare. He really nailed this part and this may become the DEFINITIVE Joker after this movie. Just like Bale's Batman is becoming the DEFINITIVE Batman. (sorry Pariah)
Sorry for what?
That this movie will now be the standard for Batman and the Joker. He is Bruce Wayne first.....Batman second.
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
Originally Posted By: Pariah
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
That's really nice to hear. It really seems like he was a great guy. In the movie business that is rare. He really nailed this part and this may become the DEFINITIVE Joker after this movie. Just like Bale's Batman is becoming the DEFINITIVE Batman. (sorry Pariah)
Sorry for what?
That this movie will now be the standard for Batman and the Joker. He is Bruce Wayne first.....Batman second.
*Smack!*Bitch, if I wanted your opinion I'd pull the cock from your mouth and shake you by the hair until you vomit, got it?!!!
Wha... I um...uh...
Wow.
I believe your correct response should have been: "Sorry daddy". thats what rex's mom says when she gets outta line and I have to remind her of her place...
*Smack!*Bitch, if I wanted your opinion I'd pull the cock from your mouth and shake you by the hair until you vomit, got it?!!!
Wha... I um...uh...
Wow.
I believe your correct response should have been: "Sorry daddy". thats what rex's mom says when she gets outta line and I have to remind her of her place...
Good job Courtney! I laughed at that one. See what happens when you actually put some effort into your posts?
Heath Ledger lives on - as an evil 6-inch figurine. The Post got a sneak peek at the action figures for this summer's upcoming Batman flick "The Dark Knight," in which Ledger stars as the psychotic villain The Joker .
Although the doll is being unveiled less than a week after Ledger's funeral, his family stands behind the company's decision to go ahead with marketing the collectible.
Mattel will be selling two versions of the Joker doll, both of which hit store shelves in May.
The first retails for $7.99 and features a rocket launcher that can be placed in the Joker's hand.
The second (pictured), a slightly larger, more detailed version created by famed action-figure designers the Four Horsemen, sells for $10.99 and comes with a toy knife.
Cliff Annicelli, editor of Playthings magazine, said he believes Ledger's death will definitely increase sales of the Joker figure, especially among adults.
Mattel will probably rely on comic book stores, instead of toy stores, to sell most of the figurines, he added.
Adrienne Citrin, of the Toy Industry Association, played down extra sales associated with Ledger's death.
The Joker and other "Dark Knight" figurines will be on display at the American International Toy Fair this weekend at the Javits Center.
That's my first thought; but then again, why go through the trouble of doing a redesign? I remember the Spidey toys being closer to the comic versions than that.
How many different versions of the same transformer came out over the last year or so? That shit was the best selling toy for boys over the holiday season. People will eat this shit up.
If they make a video game out of the movie expect his and all of Batmans enemies to show up.
I understand what Doc is saying, however. If the goal was just to make a toy to throw in the line and sell to boys, why go to the trouble and cost of a resdesign? The fact that they mocked up an action figure in what looks, basically, like a Nolanized version of the character would seem to point up that he appears in the film.
With that being said, I wouldn't get too excited about him being in the film. Given we already have the Joker, Two Face and the mobster character (Maroni?), I can't see him getting a lot of screen time.
How many different versions of the same transformer came out over the last year or so? That shit was the best selling toy for boys over the holiday season. People will eat this shit up.
If they make a video game out of the movie expect his and all of Batmans enemies to show up.
The Transformers variants were all of characters who appeared in the movie. Why make a variant of a character who doesn't? Also, from what's been shown of this toy line, there'll be the same shitload of variants that have absolutely nothing what-so-ever to do with this movie like the SCUBA Batman, etc.
Again, I don't really believe that the above pictured character is in the movie; but I still gotta wonder why the additional trouble was made to make it outside of the comic book mold as well as why there aren't other well known characters also.
said spoiled character also isn't really a batman character. if they were making clayface and penguin figures, thats one thing. but this guy being associated with that world is a little more suspect that its an actual spoiler.
(and, as an aside, he could very easily have a smaller "enforcer" / "boba fett" type role for one of the established biggies)
The Transformers variants were all of characters who appeared in the movie. Why make a variant of a character who doesn't?
No, some of them were from the video game, they even had "as seen in the video game" under their name. As far as merchandising and marketing goes its all the same thing.
The Dark Knight has launched a new wave of viral marketing. Simply head on over to I Believe in Harvey Dent and enter your e-mail address if you want to join in the fight to save Gotham City. You should receive an auto-response from Dent very quickly. The next step has yet to be revealed, but instructions are to keep checking Dent's site. I hope this campaign will feature threatening voice mails again -- I like getting death threats from Gotham's crooked cops!
The last campaign was in December, revealing the new trailer and poster. What do you think we'll see this time? Given who's leading this one, I wonder if we will finally get a glimpse of Two-Face. (Other than the action figure, of course.)
I suspect this will be the first of many viral campaigns focused on Dent -- it is the first we have had since Heath Ledger's tragic death and it is significantly Joker-less. Will we see the Joker online again before the movie hits theatres? Am I wrong in hoping that we will?
Last year at the Independent Spirit Awards, Aaron Eckhart spilled the beans on Harvey Dent, telling MTV News that the key to his performance was in finding “the tension…the similarities” between Batman and Two-Face. This year, he told us what he found.
“Well, they’re both crime fighters,” he said. “They both care about law and order. They both care about Gotham City. Although they come from different backgrounds, they share certain things. Pausing, he added, “[Things that] I cannot tell you about.”
Anybody who’s ever read a “Batman” comic book knows what some of those things are – admitting them would be a non-spoiler spoiler, akin to saying Harry Potter and Voldemort are both orphans. If you’re familiar at all with the source material, chances are you know this already.
So what could it be in Nolan’s universe that demands secrecy? It would have to be something specific to the movie, right? Something not in any other Batman incarnation. Something like…Assistant District Attorney Rachel Dawes?
Could it be that both men share a love for the spunky brunette?
For his part, Eckhart’s not talking.
“I can’t comment on anything. I’m sorry. You gotta ask, but literally, if I ever want to work in this town again, I cannot say anything to you,” he teased, smiling. “[Chris Nolan] is a good man, but he’s a tough man.”
One thing Eckhart would reveal, however, is that he shares a scene in the film with the Joker. While we endlessly discussed the effectiveness of Ledger’s performance after the first trailer arrived, Eckhart says there can be no debate – Ledger’s work will “blow [you] away.”
“I had a wonderful time working with Heath. I had the chance to watch him shine in this movie,” Eckhart said. “I am glad that I was able to be in the same room and watch him work.”
They updated http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com! Which is great, because I got a voicemail asking me to vote Dent for District Attorney today at work. Totally made my day.
We don't know much about Aaron Eckhart's performance as Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight, do we? Let's change that.
Forget Tommy Lee Jones's one-note butchering of the character in Batman Forever, Christopher Nolan is experimenting with a fascinatingly schizophrenic depiction of Two-Face that will blend sane and insane line readings from Eckhart. Basically, Nolan shot complementary takes of Eckhart in Two-Face makeup so he could visually represent the duality of Dent in a less cartoony fashion. What Nolan's doing doesn't sound all that far removed from the Gollum/Smeagol model, though the obvious difference here is that Dent isn't motion-capture; he's a fifty-fifty split of the same actor giving two wildly divergent performances in the same shot. And because he has two takes of each scene, Nolan has the luxury of shaping Eckhart's performance in post; it's just a matter of switching the dial between normal Harvey and bug-fuck Two-Face. Again, both will be present in the shot, but only one will dominate the poor bastard's conflicted consciousness at any given moment. The technical audacity required in pulling this off may be the reason Two-Face was held back in the trailer.
This is just one of many creative decisions that's got folks over at the Warner Brothers lot giddy about July 18th. Given the... er, informed speculation I've heard regarding The Joker's more sinister actions in the film, I'll be shocked if this film doesn't encounter some trouble with the ratings board. Still, the dark tone doesn't surprise me nearly as much as Dent's prominent role in the narrative; it sounds like it's his vanity (pre-Two-Face) that brings The Joker's wrath down on Batman.
Everything I'm getting on Nolan's film is coming in piecemeal, but trust me on this: The Dark Knight is going to play rough. There may be more to come, but I may sit on it for fear of spoiling the film any further.
We don't know much about Aaron Eckhart's performance as Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight, do we? Let's change that.
Forget Tommy Lee Jones's one-note butchering of the character in Batman Forever, Christopher Nolan is experimenting with a fascinatingly schizophrenic depiction of Two-Face that will blend sane and insane line readings from Eckhart. Basically, Nolan shot complementary takes of Eckhart in Two-Face makeup so he could visually represent the duality of Dent in a less cartoony fashion. What Nolan's doing doesn't sound all that far removed from the Gollum/Smeagol model, though the obvious difference here is that Dent isn't motion-capture; he's a fifty-fifty split of the same actor giving two wildly divergent performances in the same shot. And because he has two takes of each scene, Nolan has the luxury of shaping Eckhart's performance in post; it's just a matter of switching the dial between normal Harvey and bug-fuck Two-Face. Again, both will be present in the shot, but only one will dominate the poor bastard's conflicted consciousness at any given moment. The technical audacity required in pulling this off may be the reason Two-Face was held back in the trailer.
This is just one of many creative decisions that's got folks over at the Warner Brothers lot giddy about July 18th. Given the... er, informed speculation I've heard regarding The Joker's more sinister actions in the film, I'll be shocked if this film doesn't encounter some trouble with the ratings board. Still, the dark tone doesn't surprise me nearly as much as Dent's prominent role in the narrative; it sounds like it's his vanity (pre-Two-Face) that brings The Joker's wrath down on Batman.
Everything I'm getting on Nolan's film is coming in piecemeal, but trust me on this: The Dark Knight is going to play rough. There may be more to come, but I may sit on it for fear of spoiling the film any further.
How does a face being half burned qualify as "cartoony?" The whole reason he was burned in the first place was so he would suffer character conflicts based on how he perceived himself.
Nolan's standards for realism are retardulous. It's like he won't be happy until he's done as much counter-intuitive crap to the Batverse as possible.
We don't know much about Aaron Eckhart's performance as Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight, do we? Let's change that.
Forget Tommy Lee Jones's one-note butchering of the character in Batman Forever, Christopher Nolan is experimenting with a fascinatingly schizophrenic depiction of Two-Face that will blend sane and insane line readings from Eckhart. Basically, Nolan shot complementary takes of Eckhart in Two-Face makeup so he could visually represent the duality of Dent in a less cartoony fashion. What Nolan's doing doesn't sound all that far removed from the Gollum/Smeagol model, though the obvious difference here is that Dent isn't motion-capture; he's a fifty-fifty split of the same actor giving two wildly divergent performances in the same shot. And because he has two takes of each scene, Nolan has the luxury of shaping Eckhart's performance in post; it's just a matter of switching the dial between normal Harvey and bug-fuck Two-Face. Again, both will be present in the shot, but only one will dominate the poor bastard's conflicted consciousness at any given moment. The technical audacity required in pulling this off may be the reason Two-Face was held back in the trailer.
This is just one of many creative decisions that's got folks over at the Warner Brothers lot giddy about July 18th. Given the... er, informed speculation I've heard regarding The Joker's more sinister actions in the film, I'll be shocked if this film doesn't encounter some trouble with the ratings board. Still, the dark tone doesn't surprise me nearly as much as Dent's prominent role in the narrative; it sounds like it's his vanity (pre-Two-Face) that brings The Joker's wrath down on Batman.
Everything I'm getting on Nolan's film is coming in piecemeal, but trust me on this: The Dark Knight is going to play rough. There may be more to come, but I may sit on it for fear of spoiling the film any further.
How does a face being half burned qualify as "cartoony?" The whole reason he was burned in the first place was so he would suffer character conflicts based on how he perceived himself.
Nolan's standards for realism are retardulous. It's like he won't be happy until he's done as much counter-intuitive crap to the Batverse as possible.
We don't know much about Aaron Eckhart's performance as Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight, do we? Let's change that.
Forget Tommy Lee Jones's one-note butchering of the character in Batman Forever, Christopher Nolan is experimenting with a fascinatingly schizophrenic depiction of Two-Face that will blend sane and insane line readings from Eckhart. Basically, Nolan shot complementary takes of Eckhart in Two-Face makeup so he could visually represent the duality of Dent in a less cartoony fashion. What Nolan's doing doesn't sound all that far removed from the Gollum/Smeagol model, though the obvious difference here is that Dent isn't motion-capture; he's a fifty-fifty split of the same actor giving two wildly divergent performances in the same shot. And because he has two takes of each scene, Nolan has the luxury of shaping Eckhart's performance in post; it's just a matter of switching the dial between normal Harvey and bug-fuck Two-Face. Again, both will be present in the shot, but only one will dominate the poor bastard's conflicted consciousness at any given moment. The technical audacity required in pulling this off may be the reason Two-Face was held back in the trailer.
This is just one of many creative decisions that's got folks over at the Warner Brothers lot giddy about July 18th. Given the... er, informed speculation I've heard regarding The Joker's more sinister actions in the film, I'll be shocked if this film doesn't encounter some trouble with the ratings board. Still, the dark tone doesn't surprise me nearly as much as Dent's prominent role in the narrative; it sounds like it's his vanity (pre-Two-Face) that brings The Joker's wrath down on Batman.
Everything I'm getting on Nolan's film is coming in piecemeal, but trust me on this: The Dark Knight is going to play rough. There may be more to come, but I may sit on it for fear of spoiling the film any further.
How does a face being half burned qualify as "cartoony?" The whole reason he was burned in the first place was so he would suffer character conflicts based on how he perceived himself.
Nolan's standards for realism are retardulous. It's like he won't be happy until he's done as much counter-intuitive crap to the Batverse as possible.
Thats funny, and there was me thinking it said he was wearing the Two Face make up to make it less cartoony, not that he wasnt wearing the Two Face make up! Stop being gay!
The billboards arrived without fanfare or explanation in more than a dozen major cities last May. Bearing two simple catchphrases, "Harvey Dent for district attorney" and "I believe in Harvey Dent," they featured a photo of a stately Dent (imagine Eliot Spitzer with a shock of blond hair) against an American flag.
But within 72 hours, each billboard had been defaced by identical graffiti: The candidate's eyes were scrawled over with black rings, his lips crudely rouged with a smeary, clownlike grin. As well, each of the placards' messages had been altered to read: "I believe in Harvey Dent TOO."
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On March 12, a rally for the fictional D.A. candidate was broken up by Chicago police who seemed perplexed by volunteers handing out Harvey Dent bumper stickers, buttons and T-shirts.
n December, followers noted a mysterious countdown on whysoserious.com that instructed viewers to travel to 22 real-world addresses in cities from coast to coast to pick up a "very special treat" under the name "Robin Banks" (get it?).
Turns out the addresses were bakeries in possession of cakes bearing phone numbers spelled out in icing. Many of those who called the number recoiled in confusion when the cake in front of them began to ring - cell phones encased in "Gotham City Evidence" bags had been baked inside, each containing a phone charger, Joker paraphernalia and explicit instructions to keep the phone with them at all times. In addition to enlisting the players as the Joker's minions, the devices conveyed invitations to special screenings of newly cut Dark Knight Imax trailers.
"Wow. You really took the cake! Now put the icing on it," the note says.
Here's a Harvey Dent from "Concerned Citizen for a Better Gotham" button sent out in the mail:
A lot of things in a campaign look differently from the inside. Take the current media wildfire. Now, there's not a shred of evidence linking Harvey Dent to any questionable behavior. But the media is creating such a ruckus that from the outside, it's impossible to see anything else.
Well, I can tell all of you that the Dent campaign is still going strong. We're still committed to bringing Harvey Dent's message of change to every corner of this city.
Harvey Dent is not letting the smear campaign impact our campaign. He's continuing to do what a candidate does -- and he's continuing to lead the charge against the corruption that's destroying our city.
So rest assured -- this campaign is not over. Indeed, it has hardly begun. We WILL take Gotham back.
4/9 PRESS CONFERENCE TO BE STREAMED LIVE ON SUNDAY APRIL 13TH AT 3:00 PM (EDT).
Harvey Dent realizes that the slanderous and untrue charges trumped up by a mysterious group never seen before in Gotham politics has distracted from the real issues facing Gotham - how to make our city safe again and fight the crime and corruption that is endangering our future. I Believe In Harvey Dent will hold a press conference on Sunday, April 13th at 3:00 pm (EDT) for an important announcement regarding the campaign. The audio of this event will be streamed live on this website.
CLARIFICATION The Gotham Machinists Union has not “withdrawn their endorsement” of Harvey Dent for DA. Their spokesmen clarified that the endorsement has merely been “suspended” for the time being. The Harvey Dent campaign looks forward to the continued support of the Gotham Machinists Union.
DONUT SUPPLIER NEEDED The Harvey Dent campaign lives and breathes off its volunteer crew. Hundreds of Gotham citizens have joined the campaign to change our city. But this week, our donut donor stopped donating donuts to us. And as anyone who has worked on a campaign knows, if the volunteers are the life’s blood of a campaign, then donuts are the life’s blood of the volunteers. If any of you know of a donut donor who would like to get involved in the campaign to take Gotham back, please have them contact the campaign. Thank you.
Early audience screenings of new Batman movie The Dark Knight have left viewers stunned thanks to an unfortunate scene featuring late actor Heath Ledger's The Joker playing dead in a bodybag.
The unsettling scene has prompted studio bosses at Warner Brothers to consider cutting the footage from the sequel when it hits cinemas on full release in July (08).
Writing on BlogLog.Globo.com, one internet critic, who claims a source saw the film recently, writes, "My secret agent between the Armani suits saw a super private session for The Dark Knight and came out drooling.
"It will be a great success, he guarantees, the gadgets... are crazy and Heath Ledger... delivered, got himself into the role and it's unrecognisable. There will be no other Joker after him."
But the blogger claims audience members were a little taken aback by one scene, where Ledger's character plays dead "inside a body bag".
He adds, "It caused adverse reactions in the audience, for obvious reasons. It will possibly be cut. (I hope not!)"
Warner Brothers publicists were unavailable for comment as WENN went to press. (c) WENN
You are such a faggot. Just because some overreactionary blogger doesn't like something doesn't mean you have to spread his bullshit all over these boards.
It's amazing that people can watch Heath Ledger being taken out in a body bag ad nauseum on TMZ and the E! channel but get all squeamish to see Ledger ACTING it out on film.
You are such a faggot. Just because some overreactionary blogger doesn't like something doesn't mean you have to spread his bullshit all over these boards.
While I do agree Jermery is gay, its a newsworthy story, so shut the fuck up! This was what we were all worried about when the cunt died, that they would start hacking the film up!
And if you go back and read the blog, the blogger says he hopes they dont cut the scene, it was the audience that didnt like it!
4/9 PRESS CONFERENCE TO BE STREAMED LIVE ON SUNDAY APRIL 13TH AT 3:00 PM (EDT).
Harvey Dent realizes that the slanderous and untrue charges trumped up by a mysterious group never seen before in Gotham politics has distracted from the real issues facing Gotham - how to make our city safe again and fight the crime and corruption that is endangering our future. I Believe In Harvey Dent will hold a press conference on Sunday, April 13th at 3:00 pm (EDT) for an important announcement regarding the campaign. The audio of this event will be streamed live on this website.
CLARIFICATION The Gotham Machinists Union has not “withdrawn their endorsement” of Harvey Dent for DA. Their spokesmen clarified that the endorsement has merely been “suspended” for the time being. The Harvey Dent campaign looks forward to the continued support of the Gotham Machinists Union.
DONUT SUPPLIER NEEDED The Harvey Dent campaign lives and breathes off its volunteer crew. Hundreds of Gotham citizens have joined the campaign to change our city. But this week, our donut donor stopped donating donuts to us. And as anyone who has worked on a campaign knows, if the volunteers are the life’s blood of a campaign, then donuts are the life’s blood of the volunteers. If any of you know of a donut donor who would like to get involved in the campaign to take Gotham back, please have them contact the campaign. Thank you.
HARVEY DENT CAMPAIGN MOVES HEADQUARTERS
Due to circumstances beyond our control, the Harvey Dent for DA campaign is temporarily moving out of its campaign headquarters. As of today, the Headquarters will be situated in the guest house behind the house of Allan Cypes, the media manager for the campaign. We are still committed to electing Harvey Dent and taking back Gotham from the forces of darkness, crime, and corruption.
UPDATE: The press conference was cancelled due to a hostage situation. From the campaign site:
HARVEY DENT: GOTHAM'S WHITE KNIGHT
Today's press conference was unexpectedly cancelled due to a hostage crisis located at a nearby deli. In a selfless move, Mr. Dent entered the premises, exchanged himself for a woman who was being held at gunpoint, and negotiated the successful release of the remaining patrons in the restaurant. Watch this site for updates. We will release more details when they become available.
Click here to download the raw audio captured from the crisis.
You are such a faggot. Just because some overreactionary blogger doesn't like something doesn't mean you have to spread his bullshit all over these boards.
While I do agree Jermery is gay, its a newsworthy story, so shut the fuck up! This was what we were all worried about when the cunt died, that they would start hacking the film up!
And if you go back and read the blog, the blogger says he hopes they dont cut the scene, it was the audience that didnt like it!
You can't expect someone with a degree in "cleaning up shit" to have good reading comprehension.
You are such a faggot. Just because some overreactionary blogger doesn't like something doesn't mean you have to spread his bullshit all over these boards.
While I do agree Jermery is gay, its a newsworthy story, so shut the fuck up! This was what we were all worried about when the cunt died, that they would start hacking the film up!
And if you go back and read the blog, the blogger says he hopes they dont cut the scene, it was the audience that didnt like it!
You can't expect someone with a degree in "cleaning up shit" to have good reading comprehension.
I'm actually not certain of their legitimacy. The new release date makes sense -- I mean, what better time than just before a holiday to release a film?
Friends, my entire campaign I've talked about how this campaign is a struggle for this city's soul. On the one hand, there are those people who prey on the innocent citizens of Gotham. On the other hand, there is our movement to take back Gotham from crime and corruption.
At Rossi's Deli, we saw that struggle play out. Play out inside the head of the hostage taker, Sgt. Frank Notaro. Some are calling him a "crazed smear cop" but he encapsulates the choice facing us. Do we continue to allow our worst nature to lead us? Or do we take a chance on hope?
That's the choice I laid out to Frank Notaro. And he responded. He released an innocent, terrified girl. He turned himself in. And he is now talking to the police about mob involvement in the smear campaign against me.
That's the real lesson of the incident. We must, all of us, have the courage to hope. If we have the power to change ourselves, if we have the power to change one person, then we have the power to change Gotham.
Candidate for DA Dana Worthington Comments on Events at Rossi's Deli
Everybody is talking about the events at Rossi's Deli on Sunday. I want to be the first to commend Harvey Dent for his bravery, courage, and compassion. Even in the middle of a hard-fought campaign, I think it's important to acknowledge true valor. What Harvey Dent did by putting himself at risk to free that poor, poor woman is something all Gothamites can be proud of. Thanks to him, the hostage, Jenna Hanover- Oates, was released alive and well. She is a true survivor, and on that day, Harvey Dent became a true hero.
But one woman did not survive. Mary Breitup. Every death of a fellow human being is like a little death of all of us. Even if we've experienced terrible and tragic deaths, it never gets any easier. I'm so sad for the Breitup family. My heart goes out to the Breitup children. Who will stop this madness? When will it ever end?
We don't know what happened inside that deli. But we do know that there was yet one more victim left dead, Mary Breitup, beautiful, tragic, hard-working Mary Breitup. What a tragic tale she tells, losing her handsome husband Karl to the shoot-out at Betty's House of Pies and then losing her own life at Rossi's Deli. And the children suffer most of all. Who will take care of the children? What will they remember of their parents?
If I could have reached out to Mary, if I could have contacted her, if I could have whispered in her ear, "Go! Save your life! Go hug your kids!" I would have. I would have done everything in my power to get through to her, to save her from the twists and tragedies of fate.
But we live in Gotham. All of our lives are hanging on a thread. Things must change.
This is certainly no time for politics. But if you vote for me, I will work my heart out to make sure there are no more victims like Mary Breitup.
4/15 DENT'S CRAZED, MEDIA-MAD CRUSADE AGAINST GOOD COPS KILLS MARY BREITUP AFTER KILLING HER HUSBAND GPD OFFICER KARL BREITUP
We are all grieving from the loss of a Gotham citizen during the tragic event's at Rossi's Deli on Sunday. All of us here send out our deepest regrets to the family of Mary Breitup, her parents, and sisters, and especially her two lovely children Andrew, 5, and Joseph, 8.
Nobody can excuse Officer Frank Notaro's conduct. Let us not forget Sargeant Notaro's heroism. He won the Gotham Medal of Commendation for saving innocent bystanders in May of last year. Now in jail, Sgt. Notaro is surely suffering still from the tragic events of Sunday.
But questions remain. What set the stage for the incident? What would drive a good cop to take such an action? The truth is that Harvey Dent set the stage for this tragedy with his insane, mad quest to put good cops in jail. It was Harvey Dent who put Sgt. Notaro in an impossible position. First, as Notaro testified, Harvey Dent offered him "cash money to lie" about a good cop that Dent wanted jailed for another big headline.
Then, Dent swore he was going to prosecute Notaro himself when Notaro refused. So Frank Notaro was under an enormous amount of pressure. And then, when Sgt. Notaro had the courage to go public with the truth about Dent, the Dent machine laid the dirtiest smears imaginable on Notaro, calling him a corrupt liar.
So who's responsible for Mary Breitup's death? Harvey Dent is. Just as he was responsible for the death of Mary's husband, Karl, who died in a scandalous shoot-out during another one of Dent's runaway prosecutions. Harvey Dent has killed two wonderful Gotham citizens, who were in love with each other. Harvey Dent has left their two children orphans. Harvey Dent should be ashamed of himself.
One of the most incredible parts about being the founder of Concerned Citizens for a Better Gotham was meeting the incredible police officers who joined up. This message is for them.
To do what they did – to speak truth to power – took guts. People like Frank Notaro, an officer who stood up to the powerful and the elites, who stood up to Harvey Dent's machine of intimidation and brutality, showed an incredible courage. An incredible braveness. They knew that they would be attacked viciously. Their motives questioned. But they knew that they had to speak out.
Now, the backlash against them may be violent. It may be brutal. But each man knows his duty. Each man knows what he must do for his honor. That's why Concerned Citizens for A Better Gotham was founded. Honor.
Thanks, and Keep the Faith
Joseph Candoloro, Founder, Concerned Citizens for a Better Gotham
maybe batman is on trial. and the DA has to choose between following the letter of the law and getting batman convicted or following his heart and setting him free. i see jude law as batman, chris rock as the DA, and m. emmet walsh as the judge and the baliff (twin brothers).
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
maybe batman is on trial. and the DA has to choose between following the letter of the law and getting batman convicted or following his heart and setting him free. i see jude law as batman, chris rock as the DA, and m. emmet walsh as the judge and the baliff (twin brothers).
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
maybe batman is on trial. and the DA has to choose between following the letter of the law and getting batman convicted or following his heart and setting him free. i see jude law as batman, chris rock as the DA, and m. emmet walsh as the judge and the baliff (twin brothers).
Keep your slash fic fantasies to yourself, Mister.
People are receiving calls from the Gotham Voters Survey.
Quote:
Last night I received a phone call from the Gotham Voters Survey. Taking an opinion poll regarding Harvey Dent's campaign for District Attorney. An automated service asked initially how warm my feelings were towards Harvey Dent, 0 being not warm at all and 9 being very warm. Then I was asked how important several factors are to my feelings towards him, such as if I learned he had the lowest prosecution rate of all Gotham's assistant DAs, or if he had been treated from a psychiatric disorder, or if I learned he had a personal relationship with someone tied to organised crime, or if he had failed to file income tax reports. Then I was asked how warm my feeling were now for Mr Dent. Seems like someone at the Voters Survvey dept. is on the side of the Concerned Citizens For A Better Gotham.
Also, a new trailer was premiered at the New York Comic Con. Talk is that it will be in front of Iron Man
Why? Nobody with a job could go to any of these things. Rex is the only option, and I doubt his basement-skin can stand the sun's rays long enough to participate! Plus, I don't think any of those are for Buttfuck, Ohio (or wherever he lives).
Why? Nobody with a job could go to any of these things. Rex is the only option, and I doubt his basement-skin can stand the sun's rays long enough to participate! Plus, I don't think any of those are for Buttfuck, Ohio (or wherever he lives).
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
But Sneaky's also used to braille, so she's actually got the advantage.
I don't think it'll be yet another trailer, Jerms. I hope not. People got bowling balls and half-burnt coins! A new trailer? Are they DENSE? I'm the goddamned TK.
I may go. But where in the FUCK would there be a Bat/Joker sighting in Daly fucking City???
Well the coordinates point to inside Navy Pier, which is why I think it's something on the IMAX there. But there are convention halls there too. That could be where all the Joker goons will be. But I dunno.
yeah it was good. I managed to meet up with some joker painted folks on monday. followed the clues to the movies. got cavity searched to make sure after they took all the cell phones. then they showed it. I had tears...
Iron Man came out last week. Kwink went to go see it on Saturday.
Originally Posted By: rex
The official release date is next friday. She probably saw an early screening.
Aye, I did and it was the awesome, but that geekfest is for the other thread. I will say this, though: Iron Man really set the bar high for comic book movies - it may well give Dark Knight a serious run for its money for the best comic book movie of the summer.
Ok, now catching up on this thread - the Harvey/Two Face pics are fucking phenomenal, btw...
will comicfolk complain if his face is burned off by fire (as the trailer seems to indicate) and not acid?
Where was that? he was laying in some kind of acid and screaming. where was the fire from?
I thought he was laying in acid too (you see the drum emptying just beforehand), but I spose it could be some kinda flammable liquid thats about to be set fire to (possibly indicated by the explosion just afterwards).
Either way, who gives a shit (shut up Pariah) as long as the movie kicks as much arse as it looks like it will!
I thought he was laying in acid too (you see the drum emptying just beforehand), but I spose it could be some kinda flammable liquid thats about to be set fire to (possibly indicated by the explosion just afterwards).
I believe that certain types of acid are, in fact, flammable. If so, there's no contradiction. He's lying in acid, the acid catches fire and blows up.
will comicfolk complain if his face is burned off by fire (as the trailer seems to indicate) and not acid?
Where was that? he was laying in some kind of acid and screaming. where was the fire from?
there's a scene of someone dumping over a container of liquid, and a scene of harvey half laying in the liquid. in the scene where harvey is in the liquid, he just says "no" as if something is about to happen, not like something is currently happening.
...which... ok, is major reading into it, but thats what it looks like. at the very least, he's currently in that liquid and he's fine (i.e; not two-faced).
i guess maybe it could be, like, some crazy two-part joker acid that the joker hasn't added the second part two, or maybe its the mob having him lay in paint thinner they're about to light... who knows. i just thought it looked like not acid, and an (eventual) fire burn.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Either way, who gives a shit as long as the movie kicks as much arse as it looks like it will!
JOKER'S WILD: LEDGER DOLLS FLY OFF SHELVES: Toy peddlers are laughing all the way to the bank with Heath Ledger's Joker doll selling out at New York stores. Droves of people lined up early at the Toys "R" Us store in Times Square.
Junior Brown looks, and sings, like a classic 1950s-era cowboy singer, but plays guitar like a cross between Link Wray and Dick Dale with a bit of Jimmy Page and Stevie Ray thrown in.
I bought a straight jacket to go in with the rest of my costume for when I dress up and geek out for the premier. It's ugly and ill-fitted. gonna have to work on that.
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The Bat-plan was simple: Base-jump off one Hong Kong skyscraper, smash through the window of another, grab the Chinese crime boss, then hitch a drag chute to a passing C-130 cargo plane for a daring aerial escape. And on to Gotham! An instant, no-fuss extradition in the best tradition of American vigilantism. Just another working day for Batman and, presumably, just another feat of digital wizardry for the visual effects team. Except for one thing: Christopher Nolan, director of The Dark Knight, wanted to do it for real.
Which is a funny thing to want when you're making a lavish superhero sequel here in the heyday of the greenscreen. And certainly not an easy thing to get, 88 stories above a juddering megacity on the other side of the world. "They spent weeks in preproduction working out a way to hang the stuntman from one helicopter and have a second helicopter following him with the camera," says Wally Pfister, the movie's director of photography. Two choppers and a stuntman on a string — all to make a comic- book hero seem as credible on film as Frank Serpico or The French Connection's Popeye Doyle. All to make a comic-book movie speak the cinematic language of crime thrillers.
And not a moment too soon. While today's action heroes routinely come dressed in shades of the giddy synthetic (à la Spider-Man and Iron Man), movie fans have gorged on digital eye candy — and, perhaps fearing retinal diabetes, now they're cutting back (Speed Racer, anyone?). Still, gritty naturalism is no small leap for the spandex genre. It's a mood more identified with art noir and the prestige pic, the kind of cinema built to attract Oscars, not mass audiences.
Nolan wants to clothe that grim aesthetic in a cape and cowl — and then project it onto an enormous wraparound screen. He's the first Hollywood director to shoot key sequences of a major feature in Imax, the giant-screen film format still known mainly for whopping nature documentaries. For Nolan, reality beats the hell out of gee-whiz special effects. But keeping it real doesn't come cheap: The $180 million flick is Warner Bros.' biggest summer tent pole, and after Speed Racer's flameout, its only box-office hope.
The studio should take heart. Nolan has a cogent Theory of Applied Batmatics: Insist on reality — no effects, no tricks — up to the point where insisting on reality becomes unrealistic. Then, in postproduction, make what is necessarily unreal as real as possible. "Anything you notice as technology reminds you that you're in a movie theater," Nolan explains. "Even if you're trying to portray something fantastical and otherworldly, it's always about trying to achieve invisible manipulation." Especially, he adds, with Batman, "the most real of all the superheroes, who has no superpowers."
How "real" are we talking here? When Nolan unveiled a six-minute Knight prologue on Imax screens last December (a twisty bank heist with a jarring Joker reveal), it was clear that his cinematic vision owes more to director Sidney Lumet than golden-age DC comics. You can feel the tension of Lumet's 1975 Dog Day Afternoon and Michael Mann's 1995 drama, Heat.
Nolan had an ally in Pfister, his collaborator on every film since the 2000 sleeper hit Memento. "When I was a kid, that bank heist scene in Dog Day Afternoon was real," Pfister recalls. "It was that whole time around The French Connection and Bullitt and The Seven-Ups. That's what Chris was going for. Only we were shooting in Imax, this format where you're used to seeing beautiful sunsets and helicopter shots of gazelles running across mountainsides. Instead, we've got machine-gun fire and Heath Ledger."
Nolan's use of Imax is the natural fulfillment of an experiment he launched with Batman Begins in 2005. That film depicted Batman's dogged, bruising rise from angry rich kid to driven crime fighter, and it hinted at the consequences of embracing one's inner demon, even in the service of good. Begins ended with a warning: Batman has escalated the war. His presence ensures the rise of equally quixotic, equally obsessed adversaries. One of these leaves a calling card at murder scenes: a joker. Batman promises the police he'll look into it. In The Dark Knight, he does, and it looks right back at him, with the leering, paint-smeared face of the late Heath Ledger. Eight stories tall. Cruel reality mashed up with the comic-book carnivalesque — unvarnished, without the comforting buffer of f/x. In an Imax theater, your eyes can't wander off Nolan's enveloping canvas and can't easily dismiss what they're seeing as trickery. Maybe that's the most special effect of all.
For the new movie, his designers built a full-size, working motorbike called the Batpod, which zips around on two fat spheroid wheels. According to star Christian Bale, it's a cruel mistress; only one stuntman managed to stay in the saddle. "If you ride it like a bike, you won't be riding it very long," the actor says, speaking from painful experience. But spills aside, Bale definitely caught Nolan's naturalism bug: When he heard that his stunt double, Buster Reeves, was prepping for an aerial shot atop the Sears Tower, he pulled rank. "I said to Buster, 'No you're not. You get to do a lot of fantastic stunts. You're not taking that one away from me.'"
"So we got an Imax shot of Christian Bale as Batman standing on top of the Sears Tower," Pfister says. "Here we are with our principal actor standing on the edge of one of the tallest buildings in the world. I think a lot of people will assume that's CGI." Perhaps, but when you see the shot (featured in the first trailer), your eye instinctively detects something different, something thrilling and rare: photographic reality.
Settling for anything less, Nolan feared, would send the Batman franchise back into camp and mummery. That's why he transported his hero to the very real city of Hong Kong. Unfortunately, the real world has its drawbacks. "The Chinese government was a nightmare in terms of filming stuff," Pfister sighs. "They wanted to limit the amount of helicopter activity over the city."
And Nolan needed helicopters. He especially wanted to minimize digital meddling in those high-altitude Imax sequences. His reasons were both aesthetic and practical: Imax film stock is enormous, roughly 10 times the size of 35-mm celluloid, and it soaks up a vast amount of visual information. Those dimensions are what make the image so rich and sharp, even spread over a screen the size of a blimp hangar. While conventional films are digitized at 2K resolution (2,000 pixels across), or 4K at most, adding visual effects to Imax footage requires digitizing each frame at up to 8K. In other words, the difficulty and expense of doing f/x rise exponentially with the size of the negative.
But even superheroes and movie directors sometimes have to compromise: In the end, Chinese authorities refused to budge, and the skyscraper jump was digitized. (But the C-130 preparing to snatch Batman into the sky? That's real.) "Sometimes you do end up replacing a filmed shot with visual effects," Nolan says. "And there's kind of a see-I-told-you-so among the effects guys. But if we had started out with that, it wouldn't have looked the same. Because we photographed something, we have a benchmark standard to hold to, even if we change things. Even the film's CG shots are rooted in some kind of photographic reality." For instance, Nolan adds a layer of actual human-generated camera-operating motions to digital effects shots — kind of like deliberately scratching the negative. He says it restores "the human element of choice: the little corrections, little imperfections. Certain uncertainties."
The Joker pic looked great. This one not so much. Bats needs to stand up straight, not slouch his shoulders and, whenever possible, the scene should be set so that he appears to be the tallest person in the room (think pretty much every Neal Adams drawing of Batman and the commissioner standing around a crime scene with the GCPD).
The Joker pic looked great. This one not so much. Bats needs to stand up straight, not slouch his shoulders and, whenever possible, the scene should be set so that he appears to be the tallest person in the room (think pretty much every Neal Adams drawing of Batman and the commissioner standing around a crime scene with the GCPD).
Bale has said he likes his Batman to be slouched like that, ready to strike always prepared. I don't care if he's the tallest guy in the room because that's just genetics.
I don't care if he's the tallest guy in the room because that's just genetics.
Obviously, in real life. But in terms of framing a shot and a particular narrative guys like Adams, Rogers, etc., learned a long time ago it looks better to have Batman typically taller than the others.
And that doesn't look like he's 'ready to strike'. It looks like he's tired from all the rubber and plastic hanging off him.
Off topic but, I am watching Batman Begins right now and the part where Katy Holmes kept her nipples hard for the whole rescue scene should have been nominated for an Oscar.
Off topic but, I am watching Batman Begins right now and the part where Katy Holmes kept her nipples hard for the whole rescue scene should have been nominated for an Oscar.
they left the probes in from the scientology scan.
LOS ANGELES (AP) Heath Ledger is getting a fond tribute from his collaborators on "The Dark Knight" The end credits of the "Batman Begins" sequel include a farewell note to Ledger, who died in January from an accidental overdose of prescription drugs; and to special-effects technician Conway Wickliffe, who was killed last September in a stunt-car accident.
"In memory of our friends Heath Ledger & Conway Wickliffe," reads the tribute included in the credits, which went up Thursday on the Warner Bros. publicity Web site.
Ledger plays the villainous Joker in "The Dark Knight," who begins a reign of terror on Gotham City that pits him against conflicted hero Batman (Christian Bale).
Arriving in theaters July 18, the movie reteams Bale with director Christopher Nolan and returning co-stars Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman and Gary Oldman. Joining the cast are Aaron Eckhart and Maggie Gyllenhaal.
Beginning months before Ledger's death, his frenetic performance and demented-clown makeup have been a cornerstone of the marketing campaign for the film.
"I needed a phenomenal actor, but he also had to be someone unafraid of taking on such an iconic role," Nolan says in the production notes for "The Dark Knight." "Heath created something entirely original. It's stunning, it's captivating. ... It's going to blow people away."
LOS ANGELES (AP) Heath Ledger is getting a fond tribute from his collaborators on "The Dark Knight" The end credits of the "Batman Begins" sequel include a farewell note to Ledger, who died in January from killing himself with drugs; and to special-effects technician Conway Wickliffe, who was killed last September in a stunt-car accident.
"In memory of our friends Heath Ledger & Conway Wickliffe," reads the tribute included in the credits, which went up Thursday on the Warner Bros. publicity Web site.
Ledger plays the villainous Joker in "The Dark Knight," who begins a reign of terror on Gotham City that pits him against conflicted hero Batman (Christian Bale).
Arriving in theaters July 18, the movie reteams Bale with director Christopher Nolan and returning co-stars Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman and Gary Oldman. Joining the cast are Aaron Eckhart and Maggie Gyllenhaal.
Beginning months before Ledger's death, his frenetic performance and demented-clown makeup have been a cornerstone of the marketing campaign for the film.
"I needed a phenomenal actor, but he also had to be someone unafraid of taking on such an iconic role," Nolan says in the production notes for "The Dark Knight." "Heath created something entirely original. It's stunning, it's captivating. ... It's going to blow people away."
By REUTERS Published: June 30, 2008 Filed at 2:48 p.m. ET
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - He hired actor Heath Ledger to portray a frightening villain whose chaotic life threatens audiences, and Chris Nolan, director of new Batman movie "The Dark Knight," says he got exactly what he wanted.
The film marks one of the final big-screen appearances for Oscar nominee Ledger, who died in January of an accidental drug overdose at 28, and his portrayal of the villainous Joker has wowed audiences in early screenings.
"We both saw it (the part) exactly the same way," Nolan told Reuters in an interview on Sunday. "It had to be very frightening, very much a force of anarchy, someone completely devoted to chaos and the idea of ripping down the world around him for his own amusement."
At a Saturday showing in Los Angeles for reporters, cast and crew, there was an audible gasp of shock from some audience members when Ledger's evil Joker first appears on screen during a tense bank heist in the opening sequence.
With his scraggly matted hair, chalky-white scarred face, smudged raccoon eyes and drunkenly-applied blood-red lipstick -- all the more disturbing when worn with a neat shirt, tie and vest -- Ledger seemed to have tapped into his darkest, deepest demons, only to channel them back into a malevolent anti-hero.
In the movie based on the "Batman" comics, the Joker orchestrates a series of murders, kidnappings and bombings in an attempt to bring Gotham City to its knees, and it's up to Batman (Christian Bale) to stop him.
Ledger's villain is a far cry from the campy Joker that Jack Nicholson portrayed back in 1989's movie, "Batman."
LEDGER'S LEGACY
Nolan said he had wanted to work with Ledger "for some time," and that his portrayal of a taciturn gay cowboy in 2005's "Brokeback Mountain," which earned Ledger a best actor Oscar nomination, made Nolan believe he could tackle any role.
"There's nothing done (in "Brokeback") for vanity or the audience. He plays a lonely introvert, and plays it sincerely, which is kind of heartbreaking and so bold," Nolan said.
Ultimately, Ledger may be best remembered as a sensitive, gifted actor who in a few brief years exhibited an impressively broad range of talent from the tanned hunk of "A Knight's Tale" to the murderous nihilist of "The Dark Knight."
He seemed equally at home in roles as a charming uber-lover in "Casanova," an eager-to-fight 18th century teenager in "The Patriot," and a California surfer in "Lords of Dogtown." Other films included "Ned Kelly" and "Monster's Ball."
Nolan said he met with Ledger to discuss The Joker before a script was even ready, and the actor and director began crafting a villain directly inspired by "punk influences and films like 'A Clockwork Orange."'
"Then, Heath went off and did a lot of work to create this iconic character that's still human enough to be frightening, because if he's not human, you won't believe in him," Nolan said. "He did it in a complex way and is terrifying in it."
But as strong as Ledger's performance appears to be for now -- critical reviews await the movie's debut on July 18 -- Nolan called it "bitter-sweet" that this is the actor's last role.
"Inevitably there'll be this sense of, 'What could he have achieved if he'd lived?' And that's the heartbreaking thing about it, to see somebody achieve such greatness and have all that potential tragically cut short."
My friend and I were discussing this last night. How much of people's awe over Ledger's Joker is going to be his actual performance; and how much is going to be the fact that he died before it was released. I can't help but think about Brandon Lee and The Crow.
The Toyota team have joined forces with Warner Bros. Pictures, in a deal that will see the Japanese squad adopt a new look at the British Grand Prix.
With the imminent release in cinemas of the latest sequel of the Batman saga, The Dark Knight, Toyota's cars and their drivers' overalls will feature artwork from the movie.
The deal also means the Batmobile and Bat-Pod vehicles will be on show at Silverstone during the weekend.
The Batmobile will even take to the track on Thursday evening for a demonstration run alongside the TF108.
CBR News received this afternoon another package from the organization identifying itself as Citizens For Batman. The contents included stickers, a T-shirt and keychain, along with a small note from a Brian Douglass, who indicates that a “major show of force” will be demonstrated on July 8, and that more information can be gleaned from citizensforbatman.org, where there is a countdown clock and a blog tracking the Batman’s activities.
Visitors may be able to deduce some intent from the postings on the site's message board.
so, ok. batman vs the joker. upcoming. what are your thoughts on the ultimate ending to the fight via film? does the joker live, set to return in another flick (which... i guess... 'd need itself a new actor). does the joker plummet to his death ala batman '89? does batman kill him? whatcha think is the ultimate big screen batman vs. joker conclusion?
so, ok. batman vs the joker. upcoming. what are your thoughts on the ultimate ending to the fight via film? does the joker live, set to return in another flick (which... i guess... 'd need itself a new actor). does the joker plummet to his death ala batman '89? does batman kill him? whatcha think is the ultimate big screen batman vs. joker conclusion?
Killing him would totally go against the point of Batman Begins. I think the Joker should be killed by Gordon. Gordon is a cop and cops are allowed to kill at times without crossing the moral line that Batman killing anytime would cross. On a side note I really hated the ending of No Man's Land. Joker kills a cop, Gordon's own wife, after mass killings and paralyzing Gordon's daughter and he doesn't kill him? At that point Gotham wasn't part of the US and subject to any laws. It was silly for the writers to set that situation up without killing the Joker.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
so, ok. batman vs the joker. upcoming. what are your thoughts on the ultimate ending to the fight via film? does the joker live, set to return in another flick (which... i guess... 'd need itself a new actor). does the joker plummet to his death ala batman '89? does batman kill him? whatcha think is the ultimate big screen batman vs. joker conclusion?
Killing him would totally go against the point of Batman Begins. I think the Joker should be killed by Gordon. Gordon is a cop and cops are allowed to kill at times without crossing the moral line that Batman killing anytime would cross. On a side note I really hated the ending of No Man's Land. Joker kills a cop, Gordon's own wife, after mass killings and paralyzing Gordon's daughter and he doesn't kill him? At that point Gotham wasn't part of the US and subject to any laws. It was silly for the writers to set that situation up without killing the Joker.
Agreed! I hated the end of No Man's Land. Sarah was one of my favorite characters. What I remember most though is that I was relatively new to Message Boards at the time having just discovered the DCMBs and not yet knowing of this place. Well anyways I was so upset at the end of NML that I went right to the DCMBs and posted one of my first ever threads and it was titled "WHY DID THEY KILL SARAH?" I posted it on the day the issue came out and I innocently thought nothing of the thread title. Because quite honestly if you haven't read the fucking comic yet why would you go to a MB to talk about it. Well I was lambasted by all the douchebags like Lord of Chaos and Justin D. Peeler and JYD.......I then swore from that day on to always try and spoil comics for people.
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
so, ok. batman vs the joker. upcoming. what are your thoughts on the ultimate ending to the fight via film? does the joker live, set to return in another flick (which... i guess... 'd need itself a new actor). does the joker plummet to his death ala batman '89? does batman kill him? whatcha think is the ultimate big screen batman vs. joker conclusion?
Killing him would totally go against the point of Batman Begins. I think the Joker should be killed by Gordon. Gordon is a cop and cops are allowed to kill at times without crossing the moral line that Batman killing anytime would cross. On a side note I really hated the ending of No Man's Land. Joker kills a cop, Gordon's own wife, after mass killings and paralyzing Gordon's daughter and he doesn't kill him? At that point Gotham wasn't part of the US and subject to any laws. It was silly for the writers to set that situation up without killing the Joker.
Agreed! I hated the end of No Man's Land. Sarah was one of my favorite characters. What I remember most though is that I was relatively new to Message Boards at the time having just discovered the DCMBs and not yet knowing of this place. Well anyways I was so upset at the end of NML that I went right to the DCMBs and posted one of my first ever threads and it was titled "WHY DID THEY KILL SARAH?" I posted it on the day the issue came out and I innocently thought nothing of the thread title. Because quite honestly if you haven't read the fucking comic yet why would you go to a MB to talk about it. Well I was lambasted by all the douchebags like Lord of Chaos and Justin D. Peeler and JYD.......I then swore from that day on to always try and spoil comics for people.
That is how I became PJP.....the douchebag.
on that day for the first time in my adult life i was proud of america.
Los Angeles (E! Online) - Just call him the Crack of Dawn Knight.
Movie theaters are adding 6 a.m. opening-day showings of The Dark Knight to meet demand created by sold-out midnight and 3 a.m. screenings.
"It's normal for movies like to this start at midnight," says Chad Hartigan, a box office analyst for Exhibitor Relations Co.
But 6 a.m. screenings?
"That's not normal," Hartigan says.
There are no hard numbers for how many theaters will stay open as the witching hour turns to the rise-and-shine hour at 6 a.m. on July 18, when The Dark Knight debuts. Overall, Hartigan says he expects the movie to play at 3,800-3,900 theaters during its opening weekend.
According to Ted Hong, vice president of marketing for the online ticket service Fandango, the unusual 6 a.m. show times are indicators of unusually strong interest.
"The Dark Knight is our fastest selling film in wide release this year," Hong says. "It trumps Iron Man, Sex and the City, Indiana Jones [and] WALL-E at the same point in their sales cycles—and it's even outpacing last year's Spider-Man 3 and Pirates [of the Caribbean: At World's End]."
Per Fandango, The Dark Knight will bow dark and extremely early in midnight showings on more than 1,500 screens. (Fandango and E! Online are both owned by Comcast.)
The service says "many" of those 12 a.m. screenings are sold out in cities both expected (New York, the model for Batman's troubled Gotham City) and not (Boise, Idaho; Council Bluffs, Iowa; etc.). MovieTickets.com, another online ticketing service, reported a total of 140 Dark Knight sell-outs as of today.
In a summer led by the $311 million-grossing Iron Man, The Dark Knight has been regarded as the blockbuster to beat. A sequel to Christopher Nolan's hit franchise reboot, Batman Begins, the new movie is receiving ecstatic early reviews—Variety called it "enthralling"—and Oscar buzz for the late Heath Ledger for his performance as the seriously unhinged Joker.
As early as two weeks ago, three weeks before the July 18 debut, Fandango was reporting "dozens" of premiere-night sell-outs. As of 10 a.m. this morning, still a good eight days before B-Day, The Dark Knight was accounting for 51 percent of all tickets sold by the service. At MovieTickets.com, the film was doing more business than six of that company's Top 10 all-time hits, including The Passion of the Christ and the second Star Wars prequel, Attack of the Clones.
Says Hong: "All indicators point to [next Thursday] as a very busy night at theaters across the country."
I want to avoid spoilers like Mary Kate Olsen avoids food. I'd like to see the movie on the 18th but it depends on a lot of things cause that's going to be a busy weekend.
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
so, ok. batman vs the joker. upcoming. what are your thoughts on the ultimate ending to the fight via film? does the joker live, set to return in another flick (which... i guess... 'd need itself a new actor). does the joker plummet to his death ala batman '89? does batman kill him? whatcha think is the ultimate big screen batman vs. joker conclusion?
Killing him would totally go against the point of Batman Begins. I think the Joker should be killed by Gordon. Gordon is a cop and cops are allowed to kill at times without crossing the moral line that Batman killing anytime would cross. On a side note I really hated the ending of No Man's Land. Joker kills a cop, Gordon's own wife, after mass killings and paralyzing Gordon's daughter and he doesn't kill him? At that point Gotham wasn't part of the US and subject to any laws. It was silly for the writers to set that situation up without killing the Joker.
Agreed! I hated the end of No Man's Land. Sarah was one of my favorite characters. What I remember most though is that I was relatively new to Message Boards at the time having just discovered the DCMBs and not yet knowing of this place. Well anyways I was so upset at the end of NML that I went right to the DCMBs and posted one of my first ever threads and it was titled "WHY DID THEY KILL SARAH?" I posted it on the day the issue came out and I innocently thought nothing of the thread title. Because quite honestly if you haven't read the fucking comic yet why would you go to a MB to talk about it. Well I was lambasted by all the douchebags like Lord of Chaos and Justin D. Peeler and JYD.......I then swore from that day on to always try and spoil comics for people.
That is how I became PJP.....the douchebag.
And, thus, a legend was born...
and, yeah, i hated the end of NML too - Gordon should have shot the joker after all that. ricockulous.
Oh, and I am taking the day off from work to see this opening day on IMAX. No work AND Batman? Yay!
Verizon needs to get the 70's Wonder Woman theme as a ringtone choice. Joe Mama needs to get on that and quick.
Isn't there software for Blackberries that would allow you to download it off YouTube or something?
Um, you realize that I am just happy that I know how to use e-mail, right? So, everything else is just complicated. For me, anyways. No, really, ask Uschi, she'll tell you.
I've found it online, but I've heard that once certain companies have your number they'll text the shit out of your fone with ads which is something I don't want.
Um, you realize that I am just happy that I know how to use e-mail, right? So, everything else is just complicated.
Yeah, I know you're computarded. But I was thinking maybe someone you know in NYC or even Uschi could download it of YouTube for you or something if, in fact, Blackberries allow you do that (I have a Treo so I'm not sure what BB's do and don't do).
Um, you realize that I am just happy that I know how to use e-mail, right? So, everything else is just complicated.
Yeah, I know you're computarded.
hey!
Awww, fuckit, it's true...
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But I was thinking maybe someone you know in NYC or even Uschi could download it of YouTube for you or something if, in fact, Blackberries allow you do that (I have a Treo so I'm not sure what BB's do and don't do).
Do you like the treo? I'm thinking of getting something new...
I've had two Treos, one running on the Windows platform and one running the Palm platform, and I liked both better than the blackberry.
If you run Outlook as your email and scheduling software the Windows treo syncs pretty effortlessly with your computer. If you have an Apple, the Palm treo works well.
I'd recommend either. In fact, at my old job, the IT department replaced all the blackberries with Treos because they were just better.
There's software you can buy too. I bought it for my Motorola so I can edit mp3s that I have to load them on my phone. It's how I got the Looney Tunes theme as my ringtone. It's awesome!
Ultimate Jaburg53 cool Moderator Asshole Extraordinaire 15000+ posts Thu Jul 10 2008 09:22 PM Reading a post Forum: Media Thread: Batman: The Dark Knight casting, news and rumors
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Whodi! she better be on some decent shit after. Or i'm ordering another two mixed litters to block out her talking about not having armpit hair anymore.
the joker has now hacked the official movie site, leaving "HA HA"s all over the place. he's also written comments on top of all of the downloads and photos and such. this one made me laugh a lot:
the joker has now hacked the official movie site, leaving "HA HA"s all over the place. he's also written comments on top of all of the downloads and photos and such. this one made me laugh a lot:
Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man innocent User Meet Christian Singles in your city. 10000+ posts Tue Jul 15 2008 12:11 AM Reading a post Forum: Media Thread: Batman: The Dark Knight casting, news and rumors
"I refuse to see Batman Begins because I'm 99.999% sure I'll hate. After reading the script, I already know for sure that Nolan and Goyer changed the origin and hurt the representation of the character. Nolan purposefully wanted him to develop as Bruce Wayne in a batsuit rather than Batman. Instead of developing his own morality, he had Bruce Wayne take various ones from others to define his character and round down Batman into a "symbol."
This movie's probably not gonna fix the errors of the first. And Joker's being presented in the same vein as well. More a symbol than a real personality--Presented more by his scars than his desire to laugh. There's no way I'm giving Nolan and Goyer's "realism" fest a reprieve."
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"I refuse to see Batman Begins because I'm 99.999% sure I'll hate. After reading the script , I already know for sure that Nolan and Goyer changed the origin and hurt the representation of the character. Nolan purposefully wanted him to develop as Bruce Wayne in a batsuit rather than Batman. Instead of developing his own morality, he had Bruce Wayne take various ones from others to define his character and round down Batman into a "symbol."
This movie's probably not gonna fix the errors of the first. And Joker's being presented in the same vein as well. More a symbol than a real personality--Presented more by his scars than his desire to laugh. There's no way I'm giving Nolan and Goyer's "realism" fest a reprieve."
you forgot to log in as your Pariah id. I seriously don't get the people who bitch about these movies from reading the scripts or hearing about the plots. It's one thing to complain beforehand, but the movie is out and damn near every critic and hardcore Batman fan agreed that Batman Begins was the best live action adaptation of the character ever done. Of course Batman is a symbol, that's why he wears the fucking costume with a symbol on the chest instead of running around as a ninja. The whole point in the first film is that a man can be corrupted or killed, but a symbol can't. The idea in the sequel is that Batman raised the stakes, and now normal criminals aren't enough and the costumed crazies are born. It's the classic argument about the cause and effect of superheroes and their villains. It treats the genre as an intellectual action film instead of just a CGI wankfest that most superhero films can be.
sorry. forgot to mention that came from the dcmb's from a poster named "pariah01"
the part in quotes? ok, but you seemed to agree with it. and don't tell uschi to leave you be. you're not fit to be left be by uschi. she is a leaver of be on a scale you can not ever hope to imagine. if she were to leave you be her be would leave you so be it would make your brain explode to just add up one tiny percent of the be that she has left you. I said good day!
New York Daily News: New Batman movie soars: As the Joker in 'The Dark Knight,' the late Heath Ledger is so horrifically riveting you can't take your eyes off of him.
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Originally Posted By: K-nutreturns
heh.
"I refuse to see Batman Begins because I'm 99.999% sure I'll hate. After reading the script , I already know for sure that Nolan and Goyer changed the origin and hurt the representation of the character. Nolan purposefully wanted him to develop as Bruce Wayne in a batsuit rather than Batman. Instead of developing his own morality, he had Bruce Wayne take various ones from others to define his character and round down Batman into a "symbol."
This movie's probably not gonna fix the errors of the first. And Joker's being presented in the same vein as well. More a symbol than a real personality--Presented more by his scars than his desire to laugh. There's no way I'm giving Nolan and Goyer's "realism" fest a reprieve."
you forgot to log in as your Pariah id. I seriously don't get the people who bitch about these movies from reading the scripts or hearing about the plots. It's one thing to complain beforehand, but the movie is out and damn near every critic and hardcore Batman fan agreed that Batman Begins was the best live action adaptation of the character ever done. Of course Batman is a symbol, that's why he wears the fucking costume with a symbol on the chest instead of running around as a ninja. The whole point in the first film is that a man can be corrupted or killed, but a symbol can't. The idea in the sequel is that Batman raised the stakes, and now normal criminals aren't enough and the costumed crazies are born. It's the classic argument about the cause and effect of superheroes and their villains. It treats the genre as an intellectual action film instead of just a CGI wankfest that most superhero films can be.
i never seen why the wankfest about keeping the origin/character exactly like the comic. if you want the comic buy the freaking comic, there is a reason why comics sell in the tens of thousands and movies are seen by millions, it's a different medium with a different audience, yes there is crossover but just like straight comic adaptations of movies suck, straight movie adaptations would suck as well....
I agree changes can, and should, be made when the material is outdated or doesn't work in the different medium.
At the same time, I want a certain fealty to the core of the character and what works.
The only thing that really bugs me about all the Batman movies, including Nolan's (but not enough to not enjoy the films), is that they over-armor Batman with bulky armored and/or plastic looking costumes. I'd rather once they use a suit that looks more traditional (sort of like what they designed for the "Dead End" fan film).
Batman isn't Iron Man.
Also, saying "if you want a comic, buy the freaking comic" is good advice...except when the movie or TV show hits big and DC decides to change the comic book to capitalize on the movie or TV show (case in point: Superman and Smallville) (though, after "Batman RIP", changing the comic books to be more like the movies might be a godsend).
Overall, however, I agree with BSAMS, et al. It's unrealistic to expect (at least in a live action film) a movie that is 100% like any comic book (or book, or any other source material).
"Batman: The Dark Night" is reportedly selling out in theaters across the US two days before it even opens.
According to The Hollywood Reporter, movie ticket Web sites like MovieTickets.com are reporting 700 shows have already sold out.
That number tops advance tickets for other blockbusters. It's three-times as much as "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" sold, and twice as much as "Spider-Man 3" and "Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" sold.
The only thing that really bugs me about all the Batman movies, including Nolan's (but not enough to not enjoy the films), is that they over-armor Batman with bulky armored and/or plastic looking costumes. I'd rather once they use a suit that looks more traditional (sort of like what they designed for the "Dead End" fan film).
That's just one of those things that would kind of stick out in a movie. For Superman, it's okay; but for Batman people might expect him to be more cautious when going up against guys with guns and acid.
That's just one of those things that would kind of stick out in a movie. For Superman, it's okay; but for Batman people might expect him to be more cautious when going up against guys with guns and acid.
James Bond, Indiana Jones, Rambo, John McClane and most other "action" movie heroes do that all the time without wearing bulky body armor. I don't believe audiences would less willing to accept it in a movie based on a comic book, given its one of the conventions of the character.
Also, even if you're going to have the character wear body armor, because it's a movie with sci-fi/fantasy elements there's no reason the character can't wear a suit that looks more like traditional costume and just call it "high tech" body armor. If audiences accept the Batmobile and all the other gadgets they would certainly accept a more lightweight costume design.
However, like I said, it doesn't bother me so much that it ruins my enjoyment of the films. I just wish they'd go another way with the costume design and stop rehashing a decision that was made twenty years ago to hide the fact that Michael Keaton was out of shape.
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Take 10 years off, travel the world, learn martial arts, return to collect a fortune and dedicate your life to ridding Oakland of crime...you might get into shape.
my next day high is just as high as my moments after high! i still can't stop thinking of the movie and various parts i made sweet love to.
my box office expectations are huge, as well, though im not sure if it can hit spidey-level. spidey had kid appeal, this movie i think was so "realistically" intense that it wouldn't resonate in the same fashion to younger fans. plus, the nearly 3-hour check in makes it much more difficult to keep the turnstiles running at the theaters.
to the point of "realism" in the film... i really, really, really loved that whole perspective. it was as if this was an actual movie with twists and plot turns and believable reactions to stuff, that just happened to feature a guy with a cape and another with some makeup. everyone's portrayal was just so goddamn spot on. i'm back in the theaters tomorrow, and i can't wait!!
after watching the trailers 5 and 6 hundred times a piece, i was nerdily able to notice that they used different shots for similar scenes in the actual film. for example, the "here's my card" line in the trailer sounds and looks slightly different from the one in the movie. sane with the "kill... the bat man part."
i don't care, either way, just something i noticed.
my box office expectations are huge, as well, though im not sure if it can hit spidey-level. spidey had kid appeal, this movie i think was so "realistically" intense that it wouldn't resonate in the same fashion to younger fans. plus, the nearly 3-hour check in makes it much more difficult to keep the turnstiles running at the theaters.
Yer prolly right...however, I think that a lot of people that might not ordinarily go see a "comic book movie" will check it out due to the well desrved hype of Heath Ledger's performance...as far as the running time, so many theaters are showing it on 5 or more screens that I don't think it will matter that much. I also don't think it will beat Spidey but I say it will come damnclose.
at the theater harley and i made love at last night, it was literally on every screen. every imax, every regular. for each, they had a 12:00, 12:05, 12:10, 12:15, and 12:30 (no love for :20, :25 i guess) and then hit'em all again at 3:00 am.
if they keep that up for another weekend or two, that'd definitely make up for the 3 hour time.
weekend predictions?
the record for a weekend is spidey 3 with $151 mil. can batman hit $155?
the record for one day: spidey 3 with $59 million. imma say batman tops that with $64 million for today.
I'm still giddy. And had the hardest time staying asleep this morning!
I had the hardest time getting to sleep. I was almost late for work this morning. I'm riding on about 3 hours of sleep. But it was worth it. In-fucking-tense. The batpod, Jim Gordon, Harvey, Rachel, the parts I tried to predict, and the parts that had me on the edge of my seat. It was all perfect. The rest of the audience was cool to sit with too. Everyone gasped, laughed, and cheered at the right moments.
Originally Posted By: K-nutreturns
oh and before the movie came out i wasnt to big on the bat-pod. but the wall u turn changed that. quickly.
I just saw it a few hours ago and it was amazing. Not much to add with what everyone else said but just a damn good crime drama and action thriller. Ledger deserves what ever awards he gets. And quite honestly I really loved the Dent character.
One of my favorite Joker parts was when he was in the interrogation room with the cop trying to push the cops buttons asking him how many of his friends he killed....... when the cop said 6 friends were dead cause of him Joker playfully acts surprised and proudly mouthed the word 6. funny yet disturbing stuff.
Quick question at the end with Bats gordon and two-face....when bats saves gordon's son and and throws two face and himself off the building and then gordon helps two face back up while bats held him...... how did two-face fall down? Did he try to save bats when he saw him slipping? it happened so fast I missed it.
another funny joker moment was when he was on top of the pile of money and shouts "where is the Italian!" I almost pissed myself for some reason I found that very funny.
One review I read in a Jersey paper called the bank robbery the best bank heist since Heat.....they were right.
Yes, but they're making it more realistic! I mean, there's no Joker venom! I could stretch and believe he could piece together the bullet, but to have a finger print on it too?! Fuckin, yeah right!
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"The Dark Knight" set a one-day box office record with $66.4 million on opening day, Warner Bros. head of distribution Dan Fellman said Saturday.
The movie's Friday haul surpassed the previous record of $59.8 million set last year by "Spider-Man 3." "The Dark Knight" might break the opening-weekend record of $151.1 million, also held by "Spider-Man 3."
so, with spoilers, do you think the joker would have reprised his role down the line had heath not been deadger?
...eh? eh?
and, to that point, do you think future batfilms will reference the joker, perhaps using superman returns-like brando effects? or a new actor? or just a brief mention from arkham?
Ledger was insanely good. But quite honestly there are some other pretty fucking good actors that when you throw some make up on them they will be able to at the very least mimic Heath's Joker. Ledger will always be known as the one that created that character though. But they may do another movie with another actor.
so, with spoilers, do you think the joker would have reprised his role down the line had heath not been deadger?
...eh? eh?
and, to that point, do you think future batfilms will reference the joker, perhaps using superman returns-like brando effects? or a new actor? or just a brief mention from arkham?
PJ was right...they can get some other actor to reprise the role but, I don't think that they will. Since this is the last role before he died and since he's been universally applauded for his performance, I think that they'll let the role die with him. They may reference him or even show him as Rob suggests but I don' think you'll see the character as an integral part of the movie again.
On a side note, I thought that there was a hint that Catwoman may be in the next one...when bruce is speaking to Lucious about the new batsuit and asks will it stop a dog. Lucious mentions that it will stop a cat...to me that seemed an odd line unless it was foreshadowing.
Given this franchises penchant for realistic vilians, who do you guys see as the next foe? Riddler would be OK. I'd like tyo see Mr. Zzazs(sp). It would also be cool if Talia showed up to continue the Ra's Al Ghul storyline...maybe she could even be a Catwoman tyoe of character until they confront each other.
Saw it again earlier with everyone that hadn't seen it. It's like Gob took everything cool about Batman and wrapped it up in a nice two and a half hour package. The very last line and end gave me more goosebumps than the first time.
finally saw it. just amazing. Joker was scary, really scary, because everything he did was possible. He was like an amped up Zodiac killer spreading terror with a few words. The different origins added to the creepiness by stripping away a solid normal past. Also the scars and make up were great, because it was all too possible. He turned citizens into killers through fear. Harvey Dent was very likable, he was honest and good, Gotham's hero. I liked the idea that Batman isn't supposed to be a hero, he's supposed to do his job even if he is despised. I liked the grief-inspired insanity, you can't totally call him a villain. Bale was great again. He really has the dichotomy of his character nailed. I loved the daft Bruce who ran the stop light and saved the lawyer act. I loved the way he has evolved as Batman using a crime lab and becoming a detective. The action was great, it felt real, you could feel the lack of cgi. The plot was clever, the crimes were clever, it fucking rocked on every level possible.
Mr.Zsasz was in Begins. He's a hired thug for the mob, briefly shown in a courtroom, but he is there.
Yeah, I remember that. He was shown so briefly that you could bring him back easily. The only problem is he's basically unknown outside of the comic fandom. Does he drive the next movie the way the Joker did this one?
Or was it the performance by Ledger and the viral campaign that really drove this movie?
Batman will get X amount of viewers anyways, if you make a good mivie that will drive the crowd. I think if Ledger had played any character and died he woulda had the same impact, Joker or not. Begins was a huge movie without a marquee villain.
Batman will get X amount of viewers anyways, if you make a good mivie that will drive the crowd. I think if Ledger had played any character and died he woulda had the same impact, Joker or not. Begins was a huge movie without a marquee villain.
True. But I gotta believe some folks went out of the curiousity factor and the fact that they know who the Joker is in relation to the Batman mythos. If Ledger had played the Cluemaster, let's say...would those casual folks have come out even if all other circumstances were the same?
"The Dark Knight" set a one-day box office record with $66.4 million on opening day, Warner Bros. head of distribution Dan Fellman said Saturday.
The movie's Friday haul surpassed the previous record of $59.8 million set last year by "Spider-Man 3." "The Dark Knight" might break the opening-weekend record of $151.1 million, also held by "Spider-Man 3."
according to box office mojo, "the dark knight" has also just set the all-time opening weekend record with an estimated $155+ million
Did you really expect to steal from us and then just walk away?!
.... Yeah?
one of my favorite bits of dialogue. I also love the scene where he's casually walking away from the hospital and then starts scrambling like hell when there's a 'malfunction'.
Batman will get X amount of viewers anyways, if you make a good mivie that will drive the crowd. I think if Ledger had played any character and died he woulda had the same impact, Joker or not. Begins was a huge movie without a marquee villain.
True. But I gotta believe some folks went out of the curiousity factor and the fact that they know who the Joker is in relation to the Batman mythos. If Ledger had played the Cluemaster, let's say...would those casual folks have come out even if all other circumstances were the same?
I gotta believe as characters Batman is the main draw, I mean if you are a Batman fan, you are a Joker fan mostly. If Ledger had played the Cluemaster, and it was written as well and he performed it as well and this was all buzzed post mortem then yes I think it would. The comic crowd is a small fraction of the movie going public, the buzz was for Ledger being dead and giving a great performance, not that the fact he was playing the Joker.
Media By Numbers' OFFICIAL DARK KNIGHT RECORDS SO FAR (in order of occurrence):
1 - LARGEST NUMBER OF OPENING THEATRES WITH 4,366 (MORE THAN THE 4,362 DEBUT THEATRES OF PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: AT WORLD'S END IN 2007).
2 - BIGGEST MIDNIGHT PREVIEW GROSS WITH $18.489 MILLION IN 3,040 THEATRES (BEATS STAR WARS EPISODE III: REVENGE OF THE SITH AND ITS $16.9 MILLION IN 2,915 THEATRES IN 2005).
3 - BIGGEST IMAX MIDNIGHT PREVIEWS SET AN NEW RECORD WITH $640,000 (INCLUDED IN THE $18.489 MILLION PREVIEW NUMBER).
4 - BIGGEST SINGLE-DAY GROSS IN BOX-OFFICE HISTORY WITH $67.850 MILLION (BESTS THE $59,841,919 SET BY SPIDER-MAN 3 IN 2007).
5 - BIGGEST OPENING WEEKEND GROSS IN BOX OFFICE HISTORY WITH $155.340 MILLION (BESTS THE $151,116 MILLION SET BY SPIDER-MAN 3 IN 2007).
6 - BIGGEST OPENING WEEKEND GROSS FOR AN IMAX RELEASE IN BOX OFFICE HISTORY WITH $6,214,061 MILLION IN 94 THEATRES WITH $66,107 PER THEATRE. (BESTS THE $4.7 MILLION SET BY SPIDER-MAN 3 IN 2007.) IMAX SHOWING AT FULL CAPACITY $1.9 MILLION ON SATURDAY ALONE.
7 - BIGGEST OPENING WEEKEND OF 2008 WITH $151.340 (BEATS INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL'S $101.137 MILLION FROM MAY 23-25, 2008)
8 - BIGGEST JULY OPENING EVER (BEATS PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MAN'S CHEST'S $135,634,554 ON JULY 7, 2006).
A friend of mine was upset at the idea that Batman Begins scrapped what was done before and started fresh. She said nothing can beat the first one with Keaton. This should have changed her mind.
A co-worker of mine feels the same way WRT the new movies scrapping the old ones. I don't get that - BB and TDK are so superior to what came before it that you can't even compare the movies.
A co-worker of mine feels the same way WRT the new movies scrapping the old ones. I don't get that - BB and TDK are so superior to what came before it that you can't even compare the movies.
There's no accounting for taste or, sometimes, nostalgia.
My only complaint is that it was vastly different from the comic book. So I look at it as a sort of "Elseworlds" Batman story, where it was very well done, but not the characters I recognize.
To me it was more like an episode of Law and Order than a typical Batman movie. Focused on crime, politics, and fielding the media, while trying to capture and hold the criminals, rather than fanciful superhero costumes and gadgets. Most of Batman's gadgets were like military hardware, for fighting a one-man war. Extremely violent, for a Batman movie. And in some ways reminded me of the movie Collateral (with Tom Cruise as a philosphical hit-man), with its exploration of good and evil, and human nature and motivation.
The Joker was misanthropic, out to prove that people could be driven to any evil, particularly murdering each other, to save themselves. He tells the city in a broadcast that if they kill one man, he won't bomb the entire city. He tells people on two ferry boats that if one blows up the other, that they will be spared. It was very timely in that the Joker is reinvented as a bomber-terrorist. And beyond psychological warfare, bombing people is his only power.
I'd love to have Usama Bin Ladin watch this movie, and after wonder if he, too, Joker-like, is the embodiment of senseless evil.
I still question the choice of Christian Bale as Batman, which I consider a weak link in the movie, especially his Clint-Eastwood-like whispered lines as Batman, presumably to disguise his voice, which just sounded silly to me. But I still love Bale's performance in two earlier roles, Spielberg's 1988 movie Empire of the Sun(as a W W II prisoner of the Japanese in Hong Kong, where Bale wasn't even in puberty yet, and thus unrecognizable to how he looks now) and his role in the 1993 movie Swing Kids. Michael Caine as Alfred is one of my favorite touches.
The others I thought all gave good performances. It was about as realistic as you could make a Batman movie.
In other Dark Knight business, I just got back from Six Flags where there is a new indoor DK coaster. The setup before the ride was cool, but the ride itself was too much like a roller coaster you'd see at a town festival. It sucked. Yeah.
"The Dark Knight" set a one-day box office record with $66.4 million on opening day, Warner Bros. head of distribution Dan Fellman said Saturday.
The movie's Friday haul surpassed the previous record of $59.8 million set last year by "Spider-Man 3." "The Dark Knight" might break the opening-weekend record of $151.1 million, also held by "Spider-Man 3."
according to box office mojo, "the dark knight" has also just set the all-time opening weekend record with an estimated $155+ million
batman is now the new premier champ.
next up: titanic!
the actual opening weekend total was even higher than the estimate: $158 million
"The Dark Knight" set a one-day box office record with $66.4 million on opening day, Warner Bros. head of distribution Dan Fellman said Saturday.
The movie's Friday haul surpassed the previous record of $59.8 million set last year by "Spider-Man 3." "The Dark Knight" might break the opening-weekend record of $151.1 million, also held by "Spider-Man 3."
according to box office mojo, "the dark knight" has also just set the all-time opening weekend record with an estimated $155+ million
batman is now the new premier champ.
next up: titanic!
the actual opening weekend total was even higher than the estimate: $158 million
yeah but keeping a marmot, an amphibious creature in city limits isn't exactly legal.
How about a magic trick? [Slams a pencil into the table standing upright] I'm going to make this pencil disappear. [Gambol's henchman tries to attack him; in one swift motion he slams the man's head into the pencil, forcing the entire pencil through his eye socket. The man falls over dead.] Taa-daa! It's...it's gone.
Saw it yesterday. Awesome movie. Very dark, and daring, including the ending. Only beef is that the sound was so frigging loud. Nothing wrong with the music or the special effects, just too damn loud.
Query:
Which villain should appear in the next movie?
Should there be a Robin? Would that be plausible/fit in the dark tone of the movies?
with that one little mishapen kid from the first movie, and gordon's son in this one, its a definite concern that one of them could grow up to be a storyline robin. i think the tone of the movies is a little too grim, particularly this latest one. its certainly not something i'd like to see added. but nolan has been awesome for the first two -- so maybe he's clever enough to work out a good usage in the third movie. or, if he's only signed on for two, maybe hte new guy will throw robin in there schumacher style
i think catwoman could be a good choice for the next villain. bruce is currently without a love interest, and she's probably the next popular in the rogue hierarchy. they do then run the risk of comparisons, again, to the 90s films, and worse yet, the halle berry film.
not sure whatever villain would really fit this darker style. maybe a DKR mutant gang? having the two big guns joker and ra's come and go really sets the bar pretty high. there's not even a two-face left to continue that story more.
Nolan said that its too early for a Robin. He said that if he was in a movie it wouldn't be until the fifth or sixth one of the new series. That's one of the reasons why everyone said that the little boy from the first one would turn out to be Robin.
I just got back from seeing it for the first time.
I went to a 3:30 pm matinee, thinking the theater wouldn't have that many people in it.... and it turned out it was probably 3/4 full by the time the film started. Wow. No doubt in my mind this movie is going to CONTINUE breaking records.
I won't rehash all the well-deserved love for the film that everyone here who's already seen has put forth. Great cast, great special effects, great story.
If I had to mention the one moment that gave me the geekgasm it was the scene at the end with the 'bat sonar' where they finally gave Batman opaque eye lenses! That was so FUCKING cool.
If I had one complaint, I thought they could have ditched the "blackmail subplot, and cut the film.
Finally a great big shout out to Aaron Eckert who, with all due respect to the rest of the cast, positively owned as Harvey. I knew what was going to happen to his character. Hell, I've know for approximately 35 years. But Eckert's work as Harvey was so good, I kind of sort of didn't WANT it to happen.
G-man, I'm surprised you failed to mention that the only American members of the cast were killed off while the Brits and Australian were left alive.
And yeah Eckert is a great actor. I have only seen him in this and Thank You For Smoking, but these two films alone warrant him A List status for the talent he has.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
G-man, I'm surprised you failed to mention that the only American members of the cast were killed off while the Brits and Australian were left alive.
Not so, since Morgan's Freeman's character lives.
Also, if you start factoring in "real life", you can't really say the Australian was "left alive," and further, given their respective political views, I'd say Gary Oldman is more of an American than Maggie Gyllenhaal at this point.
I went to a 3:30 pm matinee, thinking the theater wouldn't have that many people in it.... and it turned out it was probably 3/4 full by the time the film started. Wow. No doubt in my mind this movie is going to CONTINUE breaking records.
i've been checking boxofficemojo.com a lot this week. TDK was pulling in about $20 mil every single week day after its monster premier. 20 mil is what most movies would kill for over an opening weekend, not a wednesday nearly a week after debut. so very cool.
its already surpassed batman begins box office gross, and i believe has crossed the 250 mil line before this weekend will be tallied.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
G-man, I'm surprised you failed to mention that the only American members of the cast were killed off while the Brits and Australian were left alive.
Not so, since Morgan's Freeman's character lives.
Also, if you start factoring in "real life", you can't really say the Australian was "left alive," and further, given their respective political views, I'd say Gary Oldman is more of an American than Maggie Gyllenhaal at this point.
Morgan Freeman was fired. And I'm counting events controlled by the film makers, not events which happened off-screen. And last I checked his wikipedia page says:
Quote:
Gary Leonard Oldman (born March 21, 1958) is an English actor
I went to a 3:30 pm matinee, thinking the theater wouldn't have that many people in it.... and it turned out it was probably 3/4 full by the time the film started. Wow. No doubt in my mind this movie is going to CONTINUE breaking records.
i've been checking boxofficemojo.com a lot this week. TDK was pulling in about $20 mil every single week day after its monster premier. 20 mil is what most movies would kill for over an opening weekend, not a wednesday nearly a week after debut. so very cool.
its already surpassed batman begins box office gross, and i believe has crossed the 250 mil line before this weekend will be tallied.
do you know if it has surpassed Burton's Batman and Batman Forever? I know those were high record grossers.
The question was how it compared to Burton's film. That film is almost twenty years ago and ticket prices were lower. It is typical when comparing modern films to older ones to adjust the gross for inflation to determine comparative success.
See, after a good night's sleep, you're less testy and better able to understand what we were talking about. I'm glad you're feeling better, BSAMS old friend.
I'm just glad you're more alert today. Hope all is well.
Anyway, back to the movie itself. Another thing that gave me a chuckle was the fact that the guy who played the Mayor was also "Bat Manuel" from the live action "Tick."
I'm just glad you're more alert today. Hope all is well.
Anyway, back to the movie itself. Another thing that gave me a woody was the fact that the guy who played the Mayor was also "Bat Manuel" from the live action "Tick."
Batman buried his rivals at the North American box office for a second weekend on Sunday, racing past $300 million in a record 10 days.
The Caped Crusader's blockbuster outing, "The Dark Knight," sold an estimated $75.6 million worth of tickets during the three days beginning Friday, taking its total to $314.2 million, distributor Warner Bros. Pictures said.
A week after it scored a record-breaking $158 million opening, "The Dark Knight" added a new title to its impressive list of superlatives: the best second weekend, surpassing the holiday-boosted $72 million haul of 2004's "Shrek 2."
The $180 million movie, which stars Christian Bale as Batman and late actor Heath Ledger as the anarchic Joker, has reportedly been drawing strong repeat business, and also has piqued the interest of people who avoid superhero flicks or rarely go to the movies at all.
"The Dark Knight" now ranks as the second-biggest movie of the year, just behind the $315 million haul of "Iron Man," and the 23rd-biggest of all time.
The previous speed record for a $300 million film was 16 days set by "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" in 2006. The next target is $400 million, which took "Shrek 2" 43 days to reach. Warner Bros. distribution president Dan Fellman predicted "The Dark Knight" would take just 18 days to reach that milestone.
"Where we go from there, it's uncharted waters," Fellman said.
The last movie to break $400 million was the 2006 "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie, which ranks No. 6 on the all-time list with $423 million. The 1997 epic "Titanic" leads the field with $601 million.
Not surprised. As mentioned above, I went to a 3:30 pm matinee yesterday and the place was 3/4 full....and that was the third or forth showing of the day.
Not surprised. As mentioned above, I went to a 3:30 pm matinee yesterday and the place was 3/4 full....and that was the third or forth showing of the day.
So the Life section of the USA Today today is saying that beating Titanic's 601 million is possible. It's been the fastest movie to 100 million, 200 million and 300 million and should reach 400 million in 18 days. Skrek2 hit 400 million in 43 days to give you an idea of how impressive that is. I believe Star Wars is the number 2 grossing movie at around 460 million so it should be able to beat that fairly easily.
I doubt it will break Titanic. That was a fluke that I don't think will be repeated. I want The Dark Knight to beat it but I don't think it will happen.
the new star wars films could have if they didn't concentrate so much on being bad.
this is the first film that actually has the real legs to do so. it has all the hype and franchise and star power support, plus the odd and rare little facet of being a well made movie. you can also throw in "news" as a factor, with ledger's death (spoilers!) bale's mommy beating and the self-providing story of this being "the" movie.
titanic had a run where it kept having 20 million weekends long after its debut hype. 6th sense and that fat pjp wedding movie did, as well. those are the flukes that get you into huge numbers. most of the notion is built upon repeat visits; people seeing the movie 2, 3, 4 times. so far, this seems like it can be that kinda movie, as a lot of the reports indicate people leaving thrilled and promising a return.
still, there's a loooong gap between 325 mil and star wars' second place 460, then another lo(ooo)ng game between that and 600.
If they had a scene of Leonardo DiCaprio dying a gruesome death it'd bust 600 mill without breaking a sweat. Hell, it could've got an oscar nod on that alone.
Oh don't act all suprised. Like anybody went to see Titanic to sit through a 3 hour love story on a boat.
with that one little mishapen kid from the first movie, and gordon's son in this one, its a definite concern that one of them could grow up to be a storyline robin. i think the tone of the movies is a little too grim, particularly this latest one. its certainly not something i'd like to see added. but nolan has been awesome for the first two -- so maybe he's clever enough to work out a good usage in the third movie. or, if he's only signed on for two, maybe hte new guy will throw robin in there schumacher style
I do hope Nolan will keep directing the movies, as long as he's keeping the steam. BTW, if an adult side-kick will be used then I'd prefer Nightwing.
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i think catwoman could be a good choice for the next villain. bruce is currently without a love interest, and she's probably the next popular in the rogue hierarchy. they do then run the risk of comparisons, again, to the 90s films, and worse yet, the halle berry film.
Catwoman would be cool, especially if Nolan could make her different from the 66's series, and Burton's and Pitof's respective movies.
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not sure whatever villain would really fit this darker style. maybe a DKR mutant gang? having the two big guns joker and ra's come and go really sets the bar pretty high. there's not even a two-face left to continue that story more.
I hope the Lasarus pit will be introduced to there will be some way to bring Ra's and Two-Face back.
Oooooh you forgot to mention Talia, Ra's daughter! She'd be awesome.
Any villain will be good as long as Nolan and Goyer are involved. Good writing can make a good movie great and that is what has happened to the first 2 Nolan Bat movies. They could use Calendar Man or this new douche Dr. Hurt and Nolan will make it cool.
i think catwoman could be a good choice for the next villain. bruce is currently without a love interest, and she's probably the next popular in the rogue hierarchy. they do then run the risk of comparisons, again, to the 90s films, and worse yet, the halle berry film.
Catwoman would be cool, especially if Nolan could make her different from the 66's series, and Burton's and Pitof's respective movies.
To me, Catwoman seems like the obvious choice, especially with the crack that Alfred made about cats in TDK.
She's a fairly "realistic" villain and seems the one most able to fit in with the world Nolan's created so far. Make her a jewel thief/martial artist with echoes of "the Bride" from "Kill Bill" (that is, a dangerous criminal, but one with a unique code of honor).
In addition, with Batman currently an "outlaw" it could set up a nice "temptation" plotline, in which Batman is drawn to Catwoman while at the same time growing tired of being thought of as a criminal without actually being one. He could start to wonder "if they're going to call me a criminal, why not have some fun and be one?"
Furthermore, as noted above, the previous love interest is dead so there's no reason not to have Bruce find himself attracted to a mysterious, dangerous, woman.
Finally, I wouldn't worry about the presence of Catwoman drawing comparisons to the Burton films (or even the Halle Berry crapfest). Both the Joker and Two-face were in the earlier series and that didn't stop Nolan from kicking ass with both characters.
At this point, I think they have to just forget about recasting the Joker and move on to new villains. Ledger's performance is that iconic.
About the only guy who might be able to follow in Ledger's footsteps at this point is Johnny Depp, but I can't see him wanting to take the role after Ledger.
Chewy Walrus said: I especially like the scarred nature of the smile. It really seems to fit the feel that Christopher Nolan was trying to get to in the first film.
I agree it makes sense to have his face all wacked out, but not like that. It was apparently supposed to be Joker slicing his face open after getting bleached and shit. Somehow I don't see THE Joker doing that. Plus, as he has been established up to now in the comics, he's quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.
Uschi said: [The Joker is] quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.
See, in my mind the Joker should just be absolutely horrifying. The comics with the Joker that I love are the one's where he's doing something absolutely insane for no rational reason... because there is no rationale in his mind. I'm not sure I would have a problem with the Joker mutilating himself personally... but I can see how other fans would. It's just the differences in our Joker preferences...
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Chewy Walrus said: I especially like the scarred nature of the smile. It really seems to fit the feel that Christopher Nolan was trying to get to in the first film.
I agree it makes sense to have his face all wacked out, but not like that. It was apparently supposed to be Joker slicing his face open after getting bleached and shit. Somehow I don't see THE Joker doing that. Plus, as he has been established up to now in the comics, he's quite debonaire and especially must be if he could ever hope to attain a hottie such as Harley. That kind of physical distortion and self-mutillation does not fit with Joker's character and I will be sorely dissappointed if they resort to it.
what do you think of it now?
GOOD POINT! Um, it worked beautifully in the movie. It rolled with the whole "making it realistical" jive. There's no Joker Venom, he's not bleached, but he's still mutilated. In the comics, however, and I mean the cannon comics (I'm very interested in Lee Bermejo's upcoming book), I prefer the bleached out guy. I've put my faith in Nolan and was well rewarded for holding my decision until after watching the film.
Also, I had the wrong idea when I wrote that bit. I thought he was gonna get dunked in chemicals still.
I'm with you I was always a a big fan of the bleached Joker.....but really I can't ever see Joker any other way then what Nolan created. It makes so much more sense to have normal skin and just put a little make up on for effect. The Nolan Joker for me is the new standard.....but that is just my opinion.
By the way I am enjoying reading this thread from the beginning. I can't believe it started in 2005.
yeah, but wasn't that before 2005? I think I remember making this thread because there weren't any and I thought too much time was passing without a thread about it.
At this point, I think they have to just forget about recasting the Joker and move on to new villains. Ledger's performance is that iconic.
About the only guy who might be able to follow in Ledger's footsteps at this point is Johnny Depp, but I can't see him wanting to take the role after Ledger.
I've heard a lot of talk about Depp becoming the next Joker, but I don't think I'd wanna see that. I think the most likely thing would be to just phase him out like they do with villains in the comic. For a few issues, villains will be lying low/injured/incapacitated/incarcerated/institutionalized until they ultimately come up with a new plan. Why wouldn't this work in the movies?
nah, Joker got six cop-friends at least, plus Rachael, plus the cop in the hospital, plus the Bus driver...
but they were created for the film and therefore had no inherent value to fans. it only counts when a comic character is killed. I guess Batman killed Two Face so the score PJP got was "Batman: 2 Joker: 0."
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Originally Posted By: Uschi
nah, Joker got six cop-friends at least, plus Rachael, plus the cop in the hospital, plus the Bus driver...
but they were created for the film and therefore had no inherent value to fans. it only counts when a comic character is killed. I guess Batman killed Two Face so the score PJP got was "Batman: 2 Joker: 0."
Well, Joker almost killed Gordon! He get's a half point there!
Back onto the subject of TDK/possible villains in the sequels... I suspect (okay, I hope) Dent is still alive; the coin landed with the unscarred head up before the fall, and there was the whole "broken legs" scene with Maroni earlier that made me doubt that he's really dead. There's been a lot of talk of Catwoman. The two best actresses I can think of for Catwoman are actually Rosario Dawson and Eva Mendes, both largely for the same reasons -- they can be seductive, a little crazy, and a bit bad. See Gail in "Sin City" and... er. Whatever the detective dame's name was in "Once Upon A Time in Mexico" to see what I mean. There's also been talk of The Riddler. Fuck. That. Another distinct possibility (one I'd be quite disappointed in) is casting an "older" Joker and basically recreating DKR. But that'd mean Robin. Robin bad. Plus, I really don't think anyone can hold a candle to Ledger's performance.
Back onto the subject of TDK/possible villains in the sequels... I suspect (okay, I hope) Dent is still alive; the coin landed with the unscarred head up before the fall, and there was the whole "broken legs" scene with Maroni earlier that made me doubt that he's really dead.
there's actually a big theory going for this on the internet, where a lot of people doubt that dent really died.
it got a little twisted when, months later, dent's brother posted saying that it was true, but still, there's a chance it was a fake death.
could anyone see Hush working In Nolans begins verse in a 3rd movie?
very Human origin (as much as i hate the character.) and like harvey, and Halo... Rache'ls death could have pushed him over the edge..
and i wish they had scripted in the killing joke one bad day speech/dialog into heath's joker at the end of the movie.
Another theme explores the possibility that Batman is just as insane as the criminals he faces ("You had a bad day once, am I right?" the Joker asks him, after which the Joker himself replies with "I know I am. I can tell. You had a bad day and everything changed."), but manifests insanity in a different way. In an interview, Alan Moore summarized the theme: "Psychologically Batman and the Joker are mirror images of each other."[2]
Oh man oh man oh man, "Magic! I'm gonna make this pencil disappear!" *SLAM* "hmm!"
Yes. Yes. Yes. That was the exact moment of the movie where I knew he had it. This was THE Joker.
So, I finally saw the film today. It was not only the very best comic book movie I have ever seen, it was one of the best movies of all time. Flawless. One-hundred-percent flawless, in my opinion. It couldn't have been any better.
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to the point of "realism" in the film... i really, really, really loved that whole perspective. it was as if this was an actual movie with twists and plot turns and believable reactions to stuff, that just happened to feature a guy with a cape and another with some makeup. everyone's portrayal was just so goddamn spot on.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
finally saw it. just amazing. Joker was scary, really scary, because everything he did was possible. He was like an amped up Zodiac killer spreading terror with a few words. The different origins added to the creepiness by stripping away a solid normal past. Also the scars and make up were great, because it was all too possible. He turned citizens into killers through fear. Harvey Dent was very likable, he was honest and good, Gotham's hero. I liked the idea that Batman isn't supposed to be a hero, he's supposed to do his job even if he is despised. I liked the grief-inspired insanity, you can't totally call him a villain. Bale was great again. He really has the dichotomy of his character nailed. I loved the daft Bruce who ran the stop light and saved the lawyer act. I loved the way he has evolved as Batman using a crime lab and becoming a detective. The action was great, it felt real, you could feel the lack of cgi. The plot was clever, the crimes were clever, it fucking rocked on every level possible.
Pro have you seen Iron Man? Ypu said Dark Knight was the best superhero flick youve ever seen?
I think this was awesome and rates as number 2 for me, but I really think Iron Man was a better superhero flick.
Yeah, I absolutely loved Iron Man. Thought it was rock-solid. I guess I would have to categorize them as Iron Man being the most fun comic book movie I've ever watched, but TDK as the "best"......meaning for me, the most fulfilling in terms of entertainment/movie...the closest to art I've ever seen a comic book commercial franchise get.
Comparing them is, literally, night and day for me. Both equally fantastic for what they bring to the screen...
Pro have you seen Iron Man? Ypu said Dark Knight was the best superhero flick youve ever seen?
I think this was awesome and rates as number 2 for me, but I really think Iron Man was a better superhero flick.
Yeah, I absolutely loved Iron Man. Thought it was rock-solid. I guess I would have to categorize them as Iron Man being the most fun comic book movie I've ever watched, but TDK as the "best"......meaning for me, the most fulfilling in terms of entertainment/movie...the closest to art I've ever seen a comic book commercial franchise get.
Comparing them is, literally, night and day for me. Both equally fantastic for what they bring to the screen...
like you said two very different movies, hard to compare. i went back and saw iron man for a second time, i'll likely wait for DVD on DK, though moreso because it was so long. in my mind Iron Man was more entertaining so I give it the edge.
Yeah, both TDK and IM are excellent, but in different ways. It's impossible for me to say which was a better film.
Also, I went back and saw TDK last night. If anything, it held up to a repeated viewing.
I would agree that there's two minor holes in the film:
(1) the scene at the fundraiser, namely, after Batman jumped after Rachael, what kept Mr. J from killing everyone in the place in an effort to find Harvey; (2) after Rachael and Harvey were taken hostage, why did Batman tell Gordon he (Batman) would go after Rachael and then go after Harvey instead?
Still, I have a feeling the answers to both questions were cut for time and will show up in an extended DVD.
Another crowded showing, BTW. This movie is going to stay big.
The Batman blockbuster "The Dark Knight" hauled in $43.8 million to rank as Hollywood's top movie for the third-straight weekend, fending off "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor," which opened a close second with $42.5 million.
"The Dark Knight" has soared to a $394.9 million haul in just 17 days, according to studio estimates Sunday. The Warner Bros. release should sail past the $400 million mark by Monday or Tuesday, said Dan Fellman, head of distribution for Warner.
I would agree that there's two minor holes in the film:
(1) the scene at the fundraiser, namely, after Batman jumped after Rachael, what kept Mr. J from killing everyone in the place in an effort to find Harvey;
I don't really consider that a hole, as much as a plot decision. Batman took out the goons, and the police were on their way (I think). Why would he stay around when it looked like Harvey wasn't there at all and the authorities were coming?
My question about that scene was: How on earth did Batman survive that fall with her? Did he fire a line I didn't see?
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(2) after Rachael and Harvey were taken hostage, why did Batman tell Gordon he (Batman) would go after Rachael and then go after Harvey instead?
That to me was the hardest part to believe. I know he had the cape which acted as a parachute but still...she landed on top of him and he took the full brunt of the impact of 2 people landing.
I fell down some stairs in 2004 as many know and got 2 very bad herniated discs from it. So at the very least I would imagine he would need some disc surgery at some point in the near future.
Pro have you seen Iron Man? Ypu said Dark Knight was the best superhero flick youve ever seen?
I think this was awesome and rates as number 2 for me, but I really think Iron Man was a better superhero flick.
My take on it is that Iron Man is the best comicbook superhero movie, but DK was the better movie. I consider the Batman films to be less like a comic book hero, and more of a reality based superhero movie. Yeah, DK was still high in the fantasy stakes, but so far removed from the over the top super heroics of Spidey, FF, Iron Man and Supes etc.
Storywise, DK was easily the better story, but was not really like watching a comic book come to life.
Simple fact is though, with movies like those two, we are all winners! (except Pariah, but he is retarded anyway)
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That to me was the hardest part to believe. I know he had the cape which acted as a parachute but still...she landed on top of him and he took the full brunt of the impact of 2 people landing.
I fell down some stairs in 2004 as many know and got 2 very bad herniated discs from it. So at the very least I would imagine he would need some disc surgery at some point in the near future.
How much armour was you wearing? I'm betting I have had bike crashes with heavier impacts than your fall, yet have not damaged any of my discs...thats what difference armour makes!
the most appealing factor to me about iron man, as pro said, was that the movie was fun -- which is an aspect missing from most all super hero movies lately (that, and the traditional super hero theme song). i also loved the origin of the character, as well as downey's defining portrayal. i think i might have even liked the movie more if it ended after he blew up the terrorist guys. the movie's overall story was a little weak towards the end, after establishing iron man, and i thought the final battle was pretty lame. that should be a big enough scar on the film for me to not like it at all, but the first hour or so of the film was so goddamn good, they could actually be ignored.
comparatively, i think tdk was without question a better film.
though, if i were ranking an all time best movie list, i'd probably put batman begins above both of them. even though i think, confusingly, TDK was a better movie, i'd rank BB higher because it was the definitive origin retelling of batman, and the movie that revolutionized the character / genre.
I think the pacing of DK was far better than Begins as the whole origin thing slowed Begins down. Free from that kind of baggage, there were very few lulls in the storytelling.
Joker, we never got, and never wanted an origin, which was great. And Two-Faces origin was so ingrained into the plot, and strung out over the whole movie, that it was never a distraction.
I think one thing Dark Knight showed is that you can have a multitude of characters and plot points, without it becoming bogged down and half finished (see Spidey 3).
One of the things I was incredibly happy to see was the death of Rachel. That was one character I hated in both films, and was glad to see the back of!
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if i'da done that, I'd put the pencil through the eye socket. where, y'know, it woulda gone in, not broken off 'cause pencils ain't stronger than skull.
"The Dark Knight" is still on the tip of everyone's tongue. But now, instead of folks breathlessly asking each other if they've seen it, talk has turned to speculation over Batman's next foe. Who's it gonna be?
iVillage is reporting that the Caped Crusader may take on the Riddler in "Batman 3." According to the rumor mill, Johnny Depp might sign on to play the nefarious super-criminal. But caveat emptor—this could be just as false as the one about Crispin Glover playing the Joker.
Slashfilm notes that there are additional possibilities floating around. For instance, Phillip Seymour Hoffman may play the Penguin or Angelina Jolie could don Catwoman's skin-tight suit. Truth or fiction, fanboys around the world must be having a heart attack at the mere possibility.
Still, the "official" rumor mill is just one of the ways superfans are checking in on the next Batman flick. Many seek the scoop themselves. We've noticed impressive searches on "batman 3 rumors," "dark knight sequel casting rumors," and "batman's next villain."
That last query is very telling. People clearly want to know the answer, but we doubt even the filmmakers have decided. To that end, may we offer the studio execs this humble piece of Search-informed advice: Go with Catwoman. She's far-and-away the most popular baddie and there are already a slew of searches on possible cast members including Jessica Biel, Amy Adams, and, wait for it, Maggie Gyllenhaal. Do fans think Rachel Dawes, Bruce Wayne's one-and-only, was really the Catwoman all along?
"The Dark Knight" is still on the tip of everyone's tongue. But now, instead of folks breathlessly asking each other if they've seen it, talk has turned to speculation over Batman's next foe. Who's it gonna be?
iVillage is reporting that the Caped Crusader may take on the Riddler in "Batman 3." According to the rumor mill, Johnny Depp might sign on to play the nefarious super-criminal. But caveat emptor—this could be just as false as the one about Crispin Glover playing the Joker.
Slashfilm notes that there are additional possibilities floating around. For instance, Phillip Seymour Hoffman may play the Penguin or Angelina Jolie could don Catwoman's skin-tight suit. Truth or fiction, fanboys around the world must be having a heart attack at the mere possibility.
Still, the "official" rumor mill is just one of the ways superfans are checking in on the next Batman flick. Many seek the scoop themselves. We've noticed impressive searches on "batman 3 rumors," "dark knight sequel casting rumors," and "batman's next villain."
That last query is very telling. People clearly want to know the answer, but we doubt even the filmmakers have decided. To that end, may we offer the studio execs this humble piece of Search-informed advice: Go with Catwoman. She's far-and-away the most popular baddie and there are already a slew of searches on possible cast members including Jessica Biel, Amy Adams, and, wait for it, Maggie Gyllenhaal. Do fans think Rachel Dawes, Bruce Wayne's one-and-only, was really the Catwoman all along?
Any rumours at this point are purely speculation, and totally pointless! I doubt there is anything thats even been remotely decided yet apart from the fact Bale will be Batman.
yeah, i really hate those types of bullshit articles. ...despite the fact that i posted it here. its just a fluff piece about speculation, with nothing even remotely concrete. the ideas they threw out were no different, and no better, than anything we've said here
i think catwoman is the best choice. and i wouldn't even mind having ra's return, along with talia, to have two chicks on the scene for brucie. maybe angelina as talia, and eva mendes as selina?
We are in agreement that Catwoman is probably the best choice. She has mainstream appeal and isn't "too unrealistic" for Nolan and co. to use. The Riddler wouldn't be bad, either.
But, I also think that they could bring back Two-Face. I think I read one of the producers saying that his dead/alive status was left ambiguous just in case they decided to bring him back in the third film. If nothing else, it would be great to have a sub-plot of him pushing the Batman and Gordon to the breaking point in trying to keep the wool over the people of Gotham's eyes.
I also think they may have been hinting at this when Bruce was asking if the armour would protect him from dogs, and Lucius said it would protect him from cats!
I've always said Crispin Glover would be an awesome Riddler! And yeah, Angelina as Catwoman and Eva as Talia. I see no problem with that at all. Ever...
i would still watch it with Angelina Jolie but I wouldnt be as eager too, they have had some really great villain performances and I hate to see them cast a hack in the role.
The problem with Angelina Jolie as Catwoman is that you don't then have "Catwoman" on screen, you have "Angelina Jolie in a Catwoman costume" onscreen.
One of the best things about Nolans' films has been his casting. Instead of putting obvious A-list superstars in the parts, he gives us up and coming actors (Bale, Eckhert, Ledger) or really talented character actors (Oldman), all of whom are skilled at vanishing into a role, as opposed to turning the role into a variation of their usual characters. (Note: Liam Nielson as Ras might be an exception to that rule, but even Neilsen is more of a character actor than not at this point).
Jolie would look good in the suit, and she's a decent actress and action star. However, having her as Catwoman seems more like the kind of casting that gave us Nicholson as the Joker, DeVito as Penguin and Arnold as Mr. Freeze, namely, the insertion of the "obvious superstar actor" into the part.
she has never exhibited the ability to play anything with any depth, she would be perceived as a caricature, the third movie really has to hit on all cylinders not to be considered a failure, and casting a subpar actress for a crucial role is not the way to go....
Tons of spoilers (although I think at this point, most who will read this thread know there are spoilers in it!)
. My 2 cents:
*it's weird to compare Jack's Joker to Heath's Joker. It's kind of apples and oranges. One was cartoony and funny, the other was intense and just completely nuts. Like a happy, funny drunk vs. a scary drunk. And in Jack's defense, at that point in his career and at that age, it was hard to watch him and forget he was Jack. Heath had the advantage of being much younger, and not having nearly as much of a public perception of/familiarity with him (plus he didn't have a super distinctive voice the way Jack Nicholson does). Also, I really liked Michael Keaton as Batman...a few people said he was too old to play the role, but Christian Bale is 34 and Keaton was what, in his late 30s?
*I agree that Maggie Gyllenhaal was miscast. Sure, they didn't need to get a beautiful girl to play the part...but I was distracted thinking, "Whoa, Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent both desperately want this girl? WHY? She's not that pretty, not that interesting."
*A few people have brought up Aaron Eckhart...I thought he was excellent as well. While the Heath overdosing aspect is getting a lot of attention for the movie, to me Heath wasn't necessarily the star in the movie. I enjoyed watching Harvey Dent's "man who will save the city" thing, but then it gets twisted when Rachel dies. I thought of Christian Bale and Aaron Eckhart as having equally important parts in the movie. I actually kind of even thought Aaron Eckhart surpassed Christian Bale.
*I didn't mind the voice Christian Bale put on as Batman. To me it wasn't particularly distracting.
*With the Heath Ledger hype, let's not rewrite history...yes, his death ABSOLUTELY has gotten this movie a tremendous amount of attention. But in the months before his death, there was a lot of fanboy talk about him in the role. People were posting the first shots of him in the makeup, etc., and saying, "Oooh, Heath Ledger as the Joker, now THAT will be interesting! Wonder what he'll do with that? He was so good in Monster's Ball, etc."
*The scene with the Joker walking away from the hospital was fucking weird and creepy and funny, all at once. But the part that got to me was when he was in the car (I think it was in the police car?), sticking his head out the window while there was no sound...that made me shiver. It reminded me of what he said to Harvey in the hospital about being a dog chasing a car, but if he caught up to the car he wouldn't know what to do with it...just completely nonsensical to stick his head out the window like that, like a dog.
*The scenes towards the end with the snipers and the hostages and Morgan Freeman doing all the computer stuff to figure out what floors people were on...that was kind of disorienting. I found myself going, "Wait, what?" and trying to figure out what the hell was going on. It was going so fast. (But I'll readily admit, I don't see a whole lot of action movies because they move so fast that it's often hard to follow...I'm the asshole in the theater who's asking the friend next to me, "Wait, is that the same guy who killed the other guy in that last scene?" Haa...I think Jerry Seinfeld did a stand-up joke about that, and I am SO that moron.)
*Harvey's make up was incredibly disgusting and yet I couldn't look away.
*Yes to whoever said Bruce's gf was built like a model and not a ballerina. With those huge boobs, she was actually built more like a porn star!
she has never exhibited the ability to play anything with any depth, she would be perceived as a caricature, the third movie really has to hit on all cylinders not to be considered a failure, and casting a subpar actress for a crucial role is not the way to go....
Perfect example was the movie Alexander, which for all its faults, was a serious film. Granted the film was pretty awful all round, but her inability to do an accent other than Russian (thats what it sounded like), and totally wooden delivery of all her lines, made for probably the worst role in the whole film. And for my money, to be singled out in a film that is all round badness, says something.
Quite frankly, when people talk about Jolie, they rarely talk about anything other than her breasts. Scarlett Johannson and Jennifer Connelly have proved you can have big tits and still actually act!
she has never exhibited the ability to play anything with any depth, she would be perceived as a caricature, the third movie really has to hit on all cylinders not to be considered a failure, and casting a subpar actress for a crucial role is not the way to go....
Perfect example was the movie Alexander, which for all its faults, was a serious film. Granted the film was pretty awful all round, but her inability to do an accent other than Russian (thats what it sounded like), and totally wooden delivery of all her lines, made for probably the worst role in the whole film. And for my money, to be singled out in a film that is all round badness, says something.
Quite frankly, when people talk about Jolie, they rarely talk about anything other than her breasts. Scarlett Johannson and Jennifer Connelly have proved you can have big tits and still actually act!
she has never exhibited the ability to play anything with any depth, she would be perceived as a caricature, the third movie really has to hit on all cylinders not to be considered a failure, and casting a subpar actress for a crucial role is not the way to go....
Perfect example was the movie Alexander, which for all its faults, was a serious film. Granted the film was pretty awful all round, but her inability to do an accent other than Russian (thats what it sounded like), and totally wooden delivery of all her lines, made for probably the worst role in the whole film. And for my money, to be singled out in a film that is all round badness, says something.
Quite frankly, when people talk about Jolie, they rarely talk about anything other than her breasts. Scarlett Johannson and Jennifer Connelly have proved you can have big tits and still actually act!
have you seen The Prestige....it is one of my favorite movies. Nolan directed it and Johanson is in it.
Finally got around to seeing it today as every other time I planned to see it, shit happened. Really fucking good. Eckhart was A #1 Duke of New York as Dent. Great character work from everyone. Great story. The little nuances Ledger gave the Joker really rounded out the character: licking the insides of his wounds with his tongue, the look of disappointment when the Bat-line stopped his fall, his pretend prancing at the fund raiser. What I really like is that Batman is still evolving. It would have been easy to let the character continue on as he was at the end of the last movie, but this Batman is still learning and growing. He's still becoming a better hero for Gotham even to the point of sacrificing himself.
And, in a movie full of great lines, my favorite is, "Let me get this straight: You think that your client, one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who beats criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck."
As far as future villains, I had posted this on the Insurgent boards; but I don't know where they got off to. Easy Batman rogues to adapt to Nolan's more realistic Gotham: Firefly, Deadshot, Professor Hugo Strange, and Deathstroke the Terminator.
Firefly. Garfield Lynns Firefly. I've always thought he'd be great for a movie. Hell, his character worked in Hollywood pyrotechnics. Or, as G-Man (i think) mentioned, Mr.Zsasz would be AWESOME to, uh, flesh out.
...There's been a lot of talk of Catwoman. The two best actresses I can think of for Catwoman are actually Rosario Dawson and Eva Mendes, both largely for the same reasons -- they can be seductive, a little crazy, and a bit bad. See Gail in "Sin City" and... er. Whatever the detective dame's name was in "Once Upon A Time in Mexico" to see what I mean...
I can't stand Mendez. She was horrible in Ghost Rider and barely adequate in her other roles. She was only good in Training Day cause of her titties and lack of dialogue.
Pro, after the great commercial and critical success of TDK, do you really want the series to take a step backwards and cast an actress solely because she's hot?
Mendez can be seductive and hot as hell, but she's got to be able to play crazy. Jolie is a bland actress...isn't she pregnant again? If Catwoman is to be in the next bat-movie, she should be played by someone without a lot of star power.
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
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Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
she has never exhibited the ability to play anything with any depth, she would be perceived as a caricature, the third movie really has to hit on all cylinders not to be considered a failure, and casting a subpar actress for a crucial role is not the way to go....
Perfect example was the movie Alexander, which for all its faults, was a serious film. Granted the film was pretty awful all round, but her inability to do an accent other than Russian (thats what it sounded like), and totally wooden delivery of all her lines, made for probably the worst role in the whole film. And for my money, to be singled out in a film that is all round badness, says something.
Quite frankly, when people talk about Jolie, they rarely talk about anything other than her breasts. Scarlett Johannson and Jennifer Connelly have proved you can have big tits and still actually act!
have you seen The Prestige....it is one of my favorite movies. Nolan directed it and Johanson is in it.
Moving away from Pro's love of the Halle Berry Catwoman movie, I liked all the little things in TDK that shows that Nolan and his brother actually did some comic book reading in writing the script. The Bat-Man militia was straight out of Millers DKR. The changing Joker origins concept that Moore introduced in the Killing Joke. The 'Joker Killings' assignations seemed really inspired by the very first Joker story. Like I said with Batman Begins, Nolan has found a good way to balance the comic book with an interesting movie world.
I dont think big tits are the be all and end all of Catwoman. I think what they need is someone who can act, is sexy but can also play a tough character. I dont think anyone would be surprised that my first choice would be Charlize Theron, but I can think of several other actresses who might be able to play a role like this:
Mila Jovovich Christina Ricci Anne Hathaway Evangaline Lily Eliza Dushka Ali Larter Jennifer Connelly Scarlett Johansen
Moving away from Pro's love of the Halle Berry Catwoman movie, I liked all the little things in TDK that shows that Nolan and his brother actually did some comic book reading in writing the script. The Bat-Man militia was straight out of Millers DKR. The changing Joker origins concept that Moore introduced in the Killing Joke. The 'Joker Killings' assignations seemed really inspired by the very first Joker story. Like I said with Batman Begins, Nolan has found a good way to balance the comic book with an interesting movie world.
The bit when they found Brians body (the guy in the hockey pad Batsuit) reminded me of another story. I think it was called The many deaths of Batman, where bodies were turning up wearing bat costumes!
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
I can't stand Mendez. She was horrible in Ghost Rider and barely adequate in her other roles. She was only good in Training Day cause of her titties and lack of dialogue.
Moving away from Pro's love of the Halle Berry Catwoman movie, I liked all the little things in TDK that shows that Nolan and his brother actually did some comic book reading in writing the script. The Bat-Man militia was straight out of Millers DKR. The changing Joker origins concept that Moore introduced in the Killing Joke. The 'Joker Killings' assignations seemed really inspired by the very first Joker story. Like I said with Batman Begins, Nolan has found a good way to balance the comic book with an interesting movie world.
The bit when they found Brians body (the guy in the hockey pad Batsuit) reminded me of another story. I think it was called The many deaths of Batman, where bodies were turning up wearing bat costumes!
I do think that, with the more realistic approach of these films, that the sheer body count that the Joker was racking up made him a much more frightening foe than how he's previously been portrayed in adaptations. Given the fact that everything he did was plausible and not really that over the top adds to that. The whole bit where he's trying to turn average citizens into murders by threatening to blow up hospitals and ferries is also a bit reminiscent of The Killing Joke in the fact that 'it only takes one bad day'.
Moving away from Pro's love of the Halle Berry Catwoman movie, I liked all the little things in TDK that shows that Nolan and his brother actually did some comic book reading in writing the script. The Bat-Man militia was straight out of Millers DKR. The changing Joker origins concept that Moore introduced in the Killing Joke. The 'Joker Killings' assignations seemed really inspired by the very first Joker story. Like I said with Batman Begins, Nolan has found a good way to balance the comic book with an interesting movie world.
The bit when they found Brians body (the guy in the hockey pad Batsuit) reminded me of another story. I think it was called The many deaths of Batman, where bodies were turning up wearing bat costumes!
Was the guy's name Brian? Oh and read this
It's got people getting murdered that were dressed as Batman and heavily brainwashed to believe they were Batman. I think that's where Bruce Timm got the idea to use for Return of the Joker.
Nolan and his brother actually did some comic book reading in writing the script
i only knew the brother was involved after hearing an interview with bale regarding the movie. what was his actual role? does he get a credited title (i dont want to look it up)
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
The changing Joker origins concept that Moore introduced in the Killing Joke.
i also don't want to look this up, but i think the multiple origins were better told in mad love -- i actually never liked the part of killing joke where they went so detailed into the joker's "supposed" red hood origin.
still, i love how they were simply able to "get away" with the joker having no definitive origin or back story or even an acid dip. he just was, and no one had a problem with it. awesome.
i only knew the brother was involved after hearing an interview with bale regarding the movie. what was his actual role? does he get a credited title (i dont want to look it up)
i also don't want to look this up, but i think the multiple origins were better told in mad love -- i actually never liked the part of killing joke where they went so detailed into the joker's "supposed" red hood origin.
Joker says at the end, during the candid moment, that he actually isn't sure what happened... sometimes he rememebers it one way, sometimes it's another. In Mad Love (which I read for the first time a couple of weeks ago) he doesn't actually talk about his origin, he simply talks about his father. Still, I guess that could have influenced the first origin he tells in the movie...
he tells harley a story, but then batman spoilers it (spoilers!) by telling harley that the joker has told a million different versions, naming the one she heard and two other examples
No Pro, the difference is, he didnt say tits were the only important thing. You on the other hand did, so we all know you love the Halle Berry Catwoman film!
i also don't want to look this up, but i think the multiple origins were better told in mad love -- i actually never liked the part of killing joke where they went so detailed into the joker's "supposed" red hood origin.
I didn't like the idea that the Joker had an origin either, but the bit that Mxy talked about where the Joker admits that the story changes all the time makes it work. The way I view the whole story is that the Joker knows Batman is Bruce Wayne and has probably figured out that it was the death of Wayne's parents that started the transformation into Batman. The Joker, considering himself and Batman linked, creates a similar story of 'one bad day' in an attempt to solidify that connection.
No Pro, the difference is, he didnt say tits were the only important thing. You on the other hand did, so we all know you love the Halle Berry Catwoman film!
Pro's wife told me the story about how he camped out in front of the movie theater to get tickets to the Catwoman midnight showing when it opened even though the theater management kept telling him there wasn't one.
No Pro, the difference is, he didnt say tits were the only important thing. You on the other hand did, so we all know you love the Halle Berry Catwoman film!
Yeah Pro! You like shitty films with T & A.....go watch a porno!
Charlize Theron Mila Jovovich Christina Ricci Anne Hathaway Evangaline Lily Eliza Dushka Ali Larter Jennifer Connelly Scarlett Johansen
I hate to say it, but I think Jolie would be better than any of those choices.
You have no taste!
Don't get me wrong. They're all varying degrees of hotness, and some are good, if not better, actresses than Jolie. But, with the possible exception of Theron, none of them say "Catwoman" to me.
Ricci, Dushku, Hathaway and Johannson all seem too young to me. Connolly has never, from what I've seen, ever been able to play anything but the girl next door (even if that girl's strung out on heroin and going ass to ass). I don't think Larter, Jovovich or Lily are very good actresses (meaning they probably have Pro's vote).
So that leaves, basically, Theron. However, I think she has most of the same baggage that Jolie has.
Or, you can listen to Pro and bring back Halle Berry for a TnA tour-de-force and destroy the franchise all over again.
I don't think Larter, Jovovich or Lily are very good actresses (meaning they probably have Pro's vote).
Which is exactly what I said. Congratulations Generic Republican Mouthpiece. You have served your function.
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Or, you can listen to Pro and bring back Halle Berry for a TnA tour-de-force and destroy the franchise all over again.
Why not add Clooney and Schumacher, too? I mean, if you're going to go all 6th Grade on me, why stop at the most ridiculous possibility?
Meanwhile, how about Kate Blanchette or Helena Bonham Carter? What about the fat chick from Misery? They're all "acclaimed" actresses, so they must fit exactly what you're talking about, right?
Meanwhile, how about Kate Blanchette or Helena Bonham Carter? What about the fat chick from Misery? They're all "acclaimed" actresses, so they must fit exactly what you're talking about, right?
Meanwhile, how about Kate Blanchette or Helena Bonham Carter? What about the fat chick from Misery? They're all "acclaimed" actresses, so they must fit exactly what you're talking about, right?
Considering most of us pointed out that there are hot chicks who can act as well, you have failed, Pro.
As a side note, have I ever told you that you remind me of Scarface from Half Baked?
She's got big tits. You said that's all you care about.
My exact quote was this:
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
That's all I want from a movie Catwoman. T&A.
I never said anything about "big tits". But, I realize that you don't like dealing in facts because it cuts your arguments down to, basically, your opinion, so I'll ask you to address my original quote about Kate Blanchette, Helena Bonham Carter, and Kathy Bates. All accomplished actresses. All in the same league, if not better, than Ledger or Bale. So, don't they fit your criteria?
Originally Posted By: the G-man
BTW, I'm highly amused that Pro thinks he insulted me by calling me a republican,
No you're not. You wouldn't mention it if you were actually "amused". It, in fact, bothers you. That's why you made it a point to comment on the fact.
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not to mention the fact he tried to drag politics into the thread.
Upset I beat you to it for once? How does it feel being on the other end?
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Considering most of us pointed out that there are hot chicks who can act as well, you have failed, Pro.
Oh really?
What's "hot"? How do you measure someone's acting ability? What if I disagree with the list of actresses you guys made? I didn't see a single name that made me think they could do any better of a job than Jolie. In fact, I saw quite a few that would be worse (Charlize Theron? Not a chance). So, how did any of you, in any way, address my point? I mean, other than just disagreeing with my opinion (as I do you) and, thus, deciding I was wrong?
See, one movie does well, and suddenly fanboys claim that Batman is fucking Shakespeare. I'm not saying Jolie is the best actress on the planet. But, in my mind, she's a close to the sultry-sex of Catwoman you're going to get. But, hey, that's just my opinion. As it has been.
Now, how about Dame Judith Dench as Catwoman? She's an incredibly acclaimed actress?
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As a side note, have I ever told you that you remind me of Scarface from Half Baked?
Yes, yes...hilarious...and Chris Elliot, and every other fringe actor that you like to think reminds you of me somehow. I'm certain all two of you will get the inside joke. Have fun with that...
She's got big tits. You said that's all you care about.
My exact quote was this:
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
That's all I want from a movie Catwoman. T&A.
I never said anything about "big tits". But, I realize that you don't like dealing in facts because it cuts your arguments down to, basically, your opinion, so I'll ask you to address my original quote about Kate Blanchette, Helena Bonham Carter, and Kathy Bates. All accomplished actresses. All in the same league, if not better, than Ledger or Bale. So, don't they fit your criteria?
Ok, so you say you want ass as well...big fucking difference. Funny thing is, when I watch a movie it has to actually be a half decent movie, and have some decent acting in. When I want T&A, thats why they invented porn.
Its nothing about you cutting my argument down, its about you saying that a catwoman film should just be T&A, and doc pointed out that you must by that logic have enjoyed the Halle Berry version, as that was its only redeeming features!
You have then got all pissy because you dont like people making fun of you, when at any other time (or against anyonelse) you would have laughed it off like the joke it was. And thats what it was Pro, a joke, and if you really cant see past that and want to keep throwing out pointless names (all the names I picked were based on them being good to great actresses, attractive and could play both a sexy role while still being somewhat edgy) purely based on acting ability, which was not what any of us had said. Most of us have agreed that you need a balance between talent and acting ability, not one or the other (or are you saying my list is full of ugly women?).
Your top choice for Catwoman isn't Kathy Bates. It's Kim Kardashian. She's got big tits AND ass.
Sure, she's famous only for a sex tape and famous parents, but that ought to be enough to calm the fire in your vag.
So, because you couldn't actually address my facts and points, you just brush me off by throwing an insult at me? Congrats G. You have now successfully lived up to the caricature you're known for.
And, btw, I never said anything about "republican stooge". Those are your words, not mine...
Yeah, seriously, rex actually used to be one of the cooler posters here.
Then, about four or five years ago, he became really angry and bitter. I think it was about the time he realized that he wasn't leaving the basement, or socklisa, anytime soon.
Once in a while, the old rex comes back. I liked that guy.
Ok, so you say you want ass as well...big fucking difference. Funny thing is, when I watch a movie it has to actually be a half decent movie, and have some decent acting in. When I want T&A, thats why they invented porn.
Well, then your choices and opinions are clear. They don't have anything to do with mine, though.
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Its nothing about you cutting my argument down, its about you saying that a catwoman film should just be T&A, and doc pointed out that you must by that logic have enjoyed the Halle Berry version, as that was its only redeeming features!
I don't think I ever addressed anything to you? That was all towards G-Man and Doc. And, besides, by the same logic, then Kathy Bates would make an excellent Catwoman, since she's the caliber of actress you guys are going for...
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You have then got all pissy because you dont like people making fun of you, when at any other time (or against anyonelse) you would have laughed it off like the joke it was. And thats what it was Pro, a joke, and if you really cant see past that and want to keep throwing out pointless names (all the names I picked were based on them being good to great actresses, attractive and could play both a sexy role while still being somewhat edgy) purely based on acting ability, which was not what any of us had said. Most of us have agreed that you need a balance between talent and acting ability, not one or the other (or are you saying my list is full of ugly women?).
I never got pissy with you. I just get tired of the same "generalizing engine" everyone seems to run on. Every single person in this conversation has known me for long enough to know exactly what I was saying, and what I meant. The Halle Berry joke was not only not funny, it made no sense, and was merely said to distract from my original opinion. That's all.
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Now go scrub your vagina!
I'll remind you of the same the next time you get all pissy with someone here...
Yeah, seriously, rex actually used to be one of the cooler posters here.
Then, about four or five years ago, he became really angry and bitter. I think it was about the time he realized that he wasn't leaving the basement, or socklisa, anytime soon.
Once in a while, the old rex comes back. I liked that guy.
Funny how that was about the time when you started editing my posts and sending me PMs telling me how to post.
OKAY dammit. That's it. I said I was done with this argument, so I am. I'm too irritated by real-world things right now. I'm backing off. Again. No sincere insult meant to anyone. Except G-Man, of course...
Yeah, seriously, rex actually used to be one of the cooler posters here.
Then, about four or five years ago, he became really angry and bitter. I think it was about the time he realized that he wasn't leaving the basement, or socklisa, anytime soon.
Once in a while, the old rex comes back. I liked that guy.
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Funny how that was about the time when you started editing my posts and sending me PMs telling me how to post.
Even if that were true and/or the causation, given I quit being a mod nearly two years ago, what's your excuse now?
Ok, so you say you want ass as well...big fucking difference. Funny thing is, when I watch a movie it has to actually be a half decent movie, and have some decent acting in. When I want T&A, thats why they invented porn.
Well, then your choices and opinions are clear. They don't have anything to do with mine, though.
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Its nothing about you cutting my argument down, its about you saying that a catwoman film should just be T&A, and doc pointed out that you must by that logic have enjoyed the Halle Berry version, as that was its only redeeming features!
I don't think I ever addressed anything to you? That was all towards G-Man and Doc. And, besides, by the same logic, then Kathy Bates would make an excellent Catwoman, since she's the caliber of actress you guys are going for...
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You have then got all pissy because you dont like people making fun of you, when at any other time (or against anyonelse) you would have laughed it off like the joke it was. And thats what it was Pro, a joke, and if you really cant see past that and want to keep throwing out pointless names (all the names I picked were based on them being good to great actresses, attractive and could play both a sexy role while still being somewhat edgy) purely based on acting ability, which was not what any of us had said. Most of us have agreed that you need a balance between talent and acting ability, not one or the other (or are you saying my list is full of ugly women?).
I never got pissy with you. I just get tired of the same "generalizing engine" everyone seems to run on. Every single person in this conversation has known me for long enough to know exactly what I was saying, and what I meant. The Halle Berry joke was not only not funny, it made no sense, and was merely said to distract from my original opinion. That's all.
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Now go scrub your vagina!
I'll remind you of the same the next time you get all pissy with someone here...
I'm sorry but you addressed everyone that agreed with thedoctor and G-Man that your "T&A" comment was ridiculous. And you still come back with Kathy Bates being fine when we have constantly said, it should be a combination of acting and looks, which you have either ignored or you think Kathy Bates is hot.
And then I spose you did address things to me, when you got all butt hurt about the photoshop.
The Halle Berry joke was and is funny, because many of us found it funny. Sorry you did not, but thats what makes it now even funnier.
Sorry you have lost your sense of humour has gone the same way as your hair. Does this mean we are in for one of your annual posts about what is wrong with this board?
OKAY dammit. That's it. I said I was done with this argument, so I am. I'm too irritated by real-world things right now. I'm backing off. Again. No sincere insult meant to anyone. Except G-Man, of course...
isn't it possible that the talents behind the film (nolan and crew) could craft an otherwise bubble-gum actor/actress into a believable role? i mean, how excited were you guys about heath ledger's films and acting ability prior to the joker? (g, was he on nicktoons?) he wasn't an unknown before that, he was shit before that!
yes, the halle berry catwoman film was atrocious. filled with shit and so much more. but the schumacher batfilms were, too. uma thurman as poison ivy, no fun. uma thurman as kill bill? at the very least, a believable improvement (though not hot)
so maybe eva mendes or jolie would turn out as a shit choice, who knows. but i dont think its a foregone conclusion that the movie / role would turn out bad, with the side bonus that, hey... at least there's t&a.
I also believe that with right script and a genius director they can make any actor look good even bad ones. These guys are damn good at what they do so I'm sure it will be good no matter who they choose. I could see them picking Johanson since Bale and Nolan worked with her on the Prestige. He likes to stick with what he knows sometimes.
valid. she was teh shit. but also not hot, so she had zero value! (when i saw the movie in the theaters with my father, even he turned to me and said bruce wayne should be doing way better)
but i think katie holmes had the same "shit potential" gamble going into the film as, say, heath ledger.
i mean, how excited were you guys about heath ledger's films and acting ability prior to the joker? (g, was he on nicktoons?) he wasn't an unknown before that, he was shit before that!
Originally Posted By: the G-man on 07/31/06
I can live with the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker
From what I understand, Ledger, while making run of the mill Hollywood fodder, was also well known and respected for his indy work as well. The Brothers Grimm, Monster's Ball, and Brokeback Mountain are all movies that he received great reviews and acclaim for.
he tells harley a story, but then batman spoilers it (spoilers!) by telling harley that the joker has told a million different versions, naming the one she heard and two other examples
Yeah! A million different daddy stories, but not origins.
I can live with the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker
"i can live with [that]" isn't exactly excitement about the casting. at best, its mediocre pre-praise of a part that turned out to be amazing. which, really, is just an extension of the mentality that something that seems out of place and destined for terrible can surprise you with the right direction, script, and performance.
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
From what I understand, Ledger, while making run of the mill Hollywood fodder, was also well known and respected for his indy work as well. The Brothers Grimm, Monster's Ball, and Brokeback Mountain are all movies that he received great reviews and acclaim for.
monster's ball also won berry an oscar ...which didn't translate to her catwoman performance.
he tells harley a story, but then batman spoilers it (spoilers!) by telling harley that the joker has told a million different versions, naming the one she heard and two other examples
Yeah! A million different daddy stories, but not origins.
i looked at them as similar notions, i.e; "i act like this because, one day, something fucked up happened."
didn't explain the white skin, i guess, but the cracked persona would fit in.
he tells harley a story, but then batman spoilers it (spoilers!) by telling harley that the joker has told a million different versions, naming the one she heard and two other examples
Yeah! A million different daddy stories, but not origins.
i looked at them as similar notions, i.e; "i act like this because, one day, something fucked up happened."
didn't explain the white skin, i guess, but the cracked persona would fit in.
Nah, it was pretty common family abuse stuff, from what I recall. He was just using that to get Harley's sympathy. I believe he also told a happy story about the one time his dad took him ice skating or something.
he tells harley a story, but then batman spoilers it (spoilers!) by telling harley that the joker has told a million different versions, naming the one she heard and two other examples
Yeah! A million different daddy stories, but not origins.
i looked at them as similar notions, i.e; "i act like this because, one day, something fucked up happened."
didn't explain the white skin, i guess, but the cracked persona would fit in.
Nah, it was pretty common family abuse stuff, from what I recall. He was just using that to get Harley's sympathy. I believe he also told a happy story about the one time his dad took him ice skating or something.
No, that was the one where his dad takes him to a circus and laughs at the clowns, so Li'l J puts on his dad's trousers and pratfalls, tearing the seat of the pants, and wakes up 3 days later in the hospital after his dad kicks the shit out of him.
I think the Red Hood, regardless of what happened before it, is Canon -- that shitty 60's storyline with the new process to restore the original color to burned fibers, Robin breaks his finger and has his whole arm in a cast and burns the hair from the Hood, then it comes back green, so they figure the new thing don't work, then we find out at the end Joker is in a barn and laughs, telling them Hey he IS the Red Hood! Whatever he was before then, that's when he became Joker.
The Red Hood stuff is the Silver Age origin of the Joker. Moore played off of that for The Killing Joke, but still leaving it open to be true or not. I, as I've said, interpret it as another of Joker's fabrications.
But I thought Batman remembered that bit too, even in Killing Joke. I might be wrong.
There's always the B:TAS origin too, where he was a thug. Or the one from Case File (Bat:B&W Dini and Ross) from Harley's perspective... I forget that one exactly.
Bats doesn't remember it in Killing Joke, he does in a later story that makes the mistake of acknowledging the wife story. But it's not Moore, so I don't care. The Bat-Man sucks.
I like the part in Mask of the Phantasm where they see Joker's old thug picture and paint the smile on. Darkwing Duck!
he tells harley a story, but then batman spoilers it (spoilers!) by telling harley that the joker has told a million different versions, naming the one she heard and two other examples
Yeah! A million different daddy stories, but not origins.
i looked at them as similar notions, i.e; "i act like this because, one day, something fucked up happened."
didn't explain the white skin, i guess, but the cracked persona would fit in.
Nah, it was pretty common family abuse stuff, from what I recall. He was just using that to get Harley's sympathy. I believe he also told a happy story about the one time his dad took him ice skating or something.
No, that was the one where his dad takes him to a circus and laughs at the clowns, so Li'l J puts on his dad's trousers and pratfalls, tearing the seat of the pants, and wakes up 3 days later in the hospital after his dad kicks the shit out of him
aye. the "(gary) abusey" kinda stuff was all what lead to the joker's current character persona, at least according to the stories.
I can live with the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker
"i can live with [that]" isn't exactly excitement about the casting. at best, its mediocre pre-praise of a part that turned out to be amazing. which, really, is just an extension of the mentality that something that seems out of place and destined for terrible can surprise you with the right direction, script, and performance.
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
From what I understand, Ledger, while making run of the mill Hollywood fodder, was also well known and respected for his indy work as well. The Brothers Grimm, Monster's Ball, and Brokeback Mountain are all movies that he received great reviews and acclaim for.
monster's ball also won berry an oscar ...which didn't translate to her catwoman performance.
Thats neither here nor there, you said he was a crap actor and had only made poor films.
Jolie, has yet to do anything that she has had any real aclaim for. Even her serious roles such as Gia, have hardly met with huge praise for her acting abilities.
You can probably pull films out of just about any good or great actors resume, that was a stinker, but this does not detract from the rest of their resume.
Look at the cast of the Nolan Bat films. Pretty much every main actor has had critical aclaim at some point, the only exception being Holmes, and how great was she in the movie?
Oldman, Gyllenhall, Ledger, Freeman, Eckhart, Bale, Caine, Neeson and Murphy all had acclaimed roles before they appeared in a Bat flick, they also had several less acclaimed roles as well. Now you can put b-movie actors into it, as shown with Hauer and Roberts, if you limit their involvement!
Pretty much any successful movie with Jolie in it, was highly unlikely to have been based on her talent. (obviously Tomb Raider was based on two of her talents).
Did Catwoman fail because of Berry, or did it fail because the film (and especially the story) was shit!
he tells harley a story, but then batman spoilers it (spoilers!) by telling harley that the joker has told a million different versions, naming the one she heard and two other examples
Yeah! A million different daddy stories, but not origins.
i looked at them as similar notions, i.e; "i act like this because, one day, something fucked up happened."
didn't explain the white skin, i guess, but the cracked persona would fit in.
Nah, it was pretty common family abuse stuff, from what I recall. He was just using that to get Harley's sympathy. I believe he also told a happy story about the one time his dad took him ice skating or something.
No, that was the one where his dad takes him to a circus and laughs at the clowns, so Li'l J puts on his dad's trousers and pratfalls, tearing the seat of the pants, and wakes up 3 days later in the hospital after his dad kicks the shit out of him
aye. the "(gary) abusey" kinda stuff was all what lead to the joker's current character persona, at least according to the stories.
Wanna know how I got these scars? My father was....a drinker. And a fiend. And one night he goes off crazier than usual. Mommy gets the kitchen knife to defend herself. He doesn't like that. Not. One. Bit. So, me watching, he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it. Turns to me and he says "Why so serious?" Comes at me with the knife,"Why so serious?" He sticks the blade in my mouth. "Let’s put a smile on that face!" And..... Why so serious?
Thats neither here nor there, you said he was a crap actor and had only made poor films.
and others said the same about berry / holmes / jolie. its all speculation, and, really, its difficult to say how well someone will do in a situation.
my argument is, that the creators of the movies have been so good, they can take most anyone and get the best out of them.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Jolie, has yet to do anything that she has had any real aclaim for. Even her serious roles such as Gia, have hardly met with huge praise for her acting abilities.
you mean aside from her oscar?
or emmy? or golden globes? (both kinds!)
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Did Catwoman fail because of Berry, or did it fail because the film (and especially the story) was shit!
i never saw it. cuz i thought it looked terrible. but from what little i did see in trailers and such, it seems like the direction of the movie was awful, not (necessarily just) hale berry.
Jolie, has yet to do anything that she has had any real aclaim for. Even her serious roles such as Gia, have hardly met with huge praise for her acting abilities.
To be fair, she's actually a pretty well-regarded actress by both critics and her peers. She won an Oscar for "Girl Interrupted," and has been nominated and/or won numerous other acting awards, including the Golden Globes, Screen Actors Guild and the National Board of Review. Of course, that's for her "serious" movies, not the action flicks.
And, unlike Halle Berry, she didn't win because of affirmative action.
She's at least as well-regarded as Charlize Theron.
My only real beef with her as Catwoman is that, if anything, she's become too much of a "persona" in her own right and I'd prefer someone a little more "up and coming" who doesn't bring a lot of precoceived image to the film.
What do Oscars actually count for in this day and age? Girl interrupted? Is that even remotely famous?
well, if you're discrediting her acting awards and accolades, what are you valuing? you said she's yet to receive acclaim, and she's done quite the opposite.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
And Rob, please point out in this thread where anyone here has said Berry is not a good actress.
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From what I understand, Ledger, while making run of the mill Hollywood fodder, was also well known and respected for his indy work as well. The Brothers Grimm, Monster's Ball, and Brokeback Mountain are all movies that he received great reviews and acclaim for.
Brothers Grimm was decent, but I viewed it as a slight step up from Van Helsing. Monster's Ball was a great character movie, but uh...Ledger wasn't in it for long so I don't think that's a great one to base his career off of.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
And Rob, please point out in this thread where anyone here has said Berry is not a good actress.
oy.
Originally Posted By: the G-man
And, unlike Halle Berry, she didn't win because of affirmative action.
Originally Posted By: the G-man
I don't think Berry is a good actress. I think Jolie is a better actress.
One was not him saying she was a bad actress, the other was made after I asked that question. Plus, both comments were made by G-Man, which really does not count for much!
What do Oscars actually count for in this day and age? Girl interrupted? Is that even remotely famous?
well, if you're discrediting her acting awards and accolades, what are you valuing? you said she's yet to receive acclaim, and she's done quite the opposite.
I am not talking about awards and prizes, as some of the most highly regarded actors over the years have taken forever to win an oscar.
Acclaim doesnt just come from awards, it comes from articles in print or tv. It comes from people talking. It comes from polls.
The fact that G-Man pointed out that Berry won her award because she was black, proves that people dont necessarily win because they are talented.
Perfect example is Girl Interupted. Jolie won an award for it, but who has actually seen this movie?
Perfect example is Girl Interupted. Jolie won an award for it, but who has actually seen this movie?
so you discredit, or at least belittle, the award systems through which she's won, and also haven't seen the movie where she gets some of her acclaim to even judge for yourself?
The Dark Knight has done it again. For the second straight weekend, despite trailing a new release for total North America box office receipts on Friday, the Warner Bros. smash made a Saturday-Sunday comeback to lead the domestic box office charts for the fourth consecutive weekend.
According to figures reported by boxofficemojo.com, the film tallied an estimated $26 million dollars for the 3-day frame, just 39% below its total last weekend in a continuing show of strong legs and a possible indicator it could eventually break the $500m mark by a healthy margin. Its cumulative total now stands at an estimated $442m, good for #3 on the all-time box office chart. Ironically enough (more on why below), the film will likely pass Star Wars to become the second-highest grossing film ever by the end of next weekend.
Its $26m take also ranks as the third best Fourth Weekend total in box office history, topped only by Titanic and 2002's Spider-Man.
This week's Friday-champ-but-weekend-runner-up was the Judd Apatow stoner-comedy Pineapple Express, which totaled an estimated $22.4m million for the Friday-Sunday frame. The Sony release probably cost itself the weekend win by opening to a combined $18m on Wednesday and Thursday, but Sony will take solace in a robust $40m total for the low budget ($27 million) production.
The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor tallied $16m, good enough for third place but a steep $60% decline from its opening weekend total. The Universal release has now accumulated $70.7m after ten day in theaters.
Looking ahead to next weekend it will be Batman vs. Jedi Knights as the animated feature Star Wars: The Clone Wars, along with the Ben Stiller/Jack Black/Robert Downey Jr. comedy Tropic Thunder (opening Wednesday) look to final knock The Dark Knight off its month-long perch.
Because ticket prices determine how much money the studio gets. Distribution deals with theaters usually (and especially for really big budget films) have the distributor (in this case Warner Bros.) getting a percentage of the ticket price (usually around 90% for opening weekend and declining each week the movie runs). The more money the studio makes, the more chance that there's gonna be a sequel.
Cuz the studios don't give a shit about how many people saw a movie. They only care about how much money the movie makes them. Keeping track of the actual number of tickets sold would cost money. Money for a number the studios don't give fuck all about.
If they are going to have Catwoman in the next Batman movie (Dark Batman Returns Forever and Robin?) she should be played by Helena Bonham Carter. I can't think of anyone better for the role.
The DreamWorks-Paramount comedy "Tropic Thunder" — with Ben Stiller, Robert Downey Jr., Jack Black and Tom Cruise — debuted at No. 1 with $26 million, bumping "The Dark Knight" to second place after four weekends on top, according to studio estimates Sunday.
The Warner Bros. Batman flick pulled in $16.8 million to raise its total to $471.5 million. "The Dark Knight" passed the original "Star Wars" ($461 million) and now stands as No. 2 on the all-time domestic charts, behind only "Titanic" ($600.8 million).
Taking inflation into account, "The Dark Knight" trails both movies in actual tickets sold, however. "The Dark Knight" would need to gross about $900 million to match the number of admissions for "Titanic" and about $1.2 billion to equal "Star Wars."
Warner Bros. expects "The Dark Knight" to top out at about $530 million domestically, said Dan Fellman, the studio's head of distribution.
If they are going to have Catwoman in the next Batman movie (Dark Batman Returns Forever and Robin?) she should be played by Helena Bonham Carter. I can't think of anyone better for the role.
she's 8 years older than Christian Bale, they rarely have that kind of age difference in movies unless the man is the older one.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: rex
If they are going to have Catwoman in the next Batman movie (Dark Batman Returns Forever and Robin?) she should be played by Helena Bonham Carter. I can't think of anyone better for the role.
she's 8 years older than Christian Bale, they rarely have that kind of age difference in movies unless the man is the older one.
Who says Catwoman couldnt be an older, more experienced masked adventurer?
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: rex
If they are going to have Catwoman in the next Batman movie (Dark Batman Returns Forever and Robin?) she should be played by Helena Bonham Carter. I can't think of anyone better for the role.
she's 8 years older than Christian Bale, they rarely have that kind of age difference in movies unless the man is the older one.
Who says Catwoman couldnt be an older, more experienced masked adventurer?
hollywood. I don't care personally, but you know they would never cast an older actress as the sexy romantic interest in a hollywood film. I'm really surprised they recast a better acted, but not so attractive, rachel.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Who says Catwoman couldnt be an older, more experienced masked adventurer?
that also goes against the idea that Batman "changed things."
How does it? Since when was Batman a cat burglar? Batman is the first superhero/vigilante, it doesnt mean there were not masked people before. Also, Joker was already in existance during the first film, and seemed to exist either simultaneously with Batman, or even exist before Batman!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: rex
If they are going to have Catwoman in the next Batman movie (Dark Batman Returns Forever and Robin?) she should be played by Helena Bonham Carter. I can't think of anyone better for the role.
she's 8 years older than Christian Bale, they rarely have that kind of age difference in movies unless the man is the older one.
Who says Catwoman couldnt be an older, more experienced masked adventurer?
hollywood. I don't care personally, but you know they would never cast an older actress as the sexy romantic interest in a hollywood film. I'm really surprised they recast a better acted, but not so attractive, rachel.
I am sure that there are plenty of older women roles in Hollywood if you really look!
Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that the fact she's all but married to Tim Burton would be enough for the producers to disqualify her, given their efforts to disassociate from the Burton films.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Who says Catwoman couldnt be an older, more experienced masked adventurer?
that also goes against the idea that Batman "changed things."
How does it? Since when was Batman a cat burglar? Batman is the first superhero/vigilante, it doesnt mean there were not masked people before. Also, Joker was already in existance during the first film, and seemed to exist either simultaneously with Batman, or even exist before Batman!
I'm not trying to explain it away within the logic of the continuity, I'm guessing at the film maker's intentions for the series by having the Joker say that.
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I am sure that there are plenty of older women roles in Hollywood if you really look!
Don't get me wrong, she's still very attractive. I would wank to her in the catwoman suit. But hollywood is hollywood. I just don't see them casting a woman who is currently 42, and would be 45 by the time the next film is released. Also Carter specifically is Tim Burton's wife. I can't see her doing a series that is constantly being compared to her husband's series. And keep in mind her husband did a version of Catwoman.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Thinking about it, Scott and Jean in the X-Men jumps out straight away!
granted, and she was hot. but that's the exception. and she was only 35 at the time of the first film, still young.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Margot Kidder was 4 years older than Christopher Reeve!
She was 30, Reeve was pretty young when he took the role. The point isn't necessarily the age difference, it's that Carter is in her mid-40's and Batman films are big hollywood blockbusters. I just can't see Warner Brothers greenlighting that kind of casting for their big summer movie. And I only mentioned the age difference because Bale is in his mid-30's, not like Reeve and Marsden who were in their 20's at the time.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that the fact she's all but married to Tim Burton would be enough for the producers to disqualify her, given their efforts to disassociate from the Burton films.
yeah, can you imagine the awkward dinner conversation? "I love the script, they treat catwoman like a complex character instead of some bitch in a tight leather suit." "..."
Or, worse yet, she'd show up on the set with "notes" and "sketches" for Nolan about how "her" character should be a quirky misfit with goth tendencies and not a semi-realistic athletic cat-burglar.
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Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: rex
If they are going to have Catwoman in the next Batman movie (Dark Batman Returns Forever and Robin?) she should be played by Helena Bonham Carter. I can't think of anyone better for the role.
she's 8 years older than Christian Bale, they rarely have that kind of age difference in movies unless the man is the older one.
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'Dark Knight' swings past $500 million mark: Batman's rich alter-ego Bruce Wayne has added half a billion dollars to his riches. "The Dark Knight" on Sunday became the second movie in Hollywood history to top $500 million at the domestic box office, raising its total to $502.4 million, according to estimates from distributor Warner Bros.
The Titanic record of 600 million is unlikely but I bet if Ledger gets a nomination for an Oscar and they re-release the movie in January and market it properly it could make some more dough.....maybe even break the record.
She's looked better in other movies. She looked like an old hag in this one. Especially since she replaced someone that looks fifteen years younger than her.
She's looked better in other movies. She looked like an old hag in this one. Especially since she replaced someone that looks fifteen years younger than her.
She was the hotness in "Secretary." She was pretty cute in that Will Ferrell movie also (the one where his life is being narrated-I can't recall the name right now).
'The film hit that mark in just over six weeks, half the time it took "Titanic," which reached $500 million in a little more than three months. "Titanic," the biggest modern blockbuster, remains No. 1 on the domestic charts with $600.8 million.'
"Factoring in today's higher admission prices, "The Dark Knight" would need to take in about $900 million to match the number of tickets sold by "Titanic.""
Thing is, inflation isn't so striking as all that in 10 yrs. So it literally costs more per ticket now, and the equation ought to weight the ticket sales that way.
"Factoring in today's higher admission prices, "The Dark Knight" would need to take in about $900 million to match the number of tickets sold by "Titanic.""
Thing is, inflation isn't so striking as all that in 10 yrs. So it literally costs more per ticket now, and the equation ought to weight the ticket sales that way.
i think the people who write those stories are feminazis, they always mention dark knight isnt close with inflation, but never mention that Titanic isnt close to Gone With The Wind with inflation.
'The film hit that mark in just over six weeks, half the time it took "Titanic," which reached $500 million in a little more than three months. "Titanic," the biggest modern blockbuster, remains No. 1 on the domestic charts with $600.8 million.'
"Factoring in today's higher admission prices, "The Dark Knight" would need to take in about $900 million to match the number of tickets sold by "Titanic.""
Thing is, inflation isn't so striking as all that in 10 yrs. So it literally costs more per ticket now, and the equation ought to weight the ticket sales that way.
i think the people who write those stories are feminazis, they always mention dark knight isnt close with inflation, but never mention that Titanic isnt close to Gone With The Wind with inflation.
Not to mention they won't even recognize that 9/11 changed everything. Even the ways we adjust for inflation!
Oh, and just for the record, have ticket prices in the US really increased that much? Ticket prices here have probably only gone up between £1.00 to £1.50 in 10 years.
The cinema I go to is about £8 for a ticket right now, but was no less than £6.50 10 years ago.
"Factoring in today's higher admission prices, "The Dark Knight" would need to take in about $900 million to match the number of tickets sold by "Titanic.""
Thing is, inflation isn't so striking as all that in 10 yrs. So it literally costs more per ticket now, and the equation ought to weight the ticket sales that way.
Yeah. They ought to rate these things like the recording industry does with record sales. They rate by units sold, not the price of the album.
If the RIAA ranked albums the same way the movie industry ranks films, inflation would mean that Britney Spears was a more successful artist than Elvis, Bob Dylan or the Beatles.
the theater in town here lets students in for $2.75 with their bgsu id, even for new releases. there was one in columbus that did the same thing for osu students. I wonder if I should ask for the same grad-student discount they give me at the bookstore...
I used to get a movie ticket for about $4.50, iirc. Non-matinee. Now it's closer to $9.00 -- $12- for IMAX. And theaters used to take student ids for discount. Now they only take military and senior citz.
I really can't tell you. Ten years ago, I was still a stoner punk teenager sneaking into movies.
Depending on the theater you're going to, it's really easy to sneak in to a movie. Prices have gone up quickly around here. Less and less places are honoring the student discount (which I'll use until the day I die). So if I'm going to be paying $8.50 or more to see a movie, you bet I'll be sneaking in my own food and drink.
Sneaking in your own food and drink is a definite must do. My only somewhat exceptions to this are the Nickelodeon (a local independent theater) and the Monetta Drive-In. I'll sneak a soda into the Nick, but only because I spend the bulk of my allotted concessions money on the great buckets of beer specials that they have. Monetta, while I do have to sneak in alcohol, is the last drive-in in SC so I cough up the extra cash to help keep it afloat.
Sneaking in your own food and drink is a definite must do. My only somewhat exceptions to this are the Nickelodeon (a local independent theater) and the Monetta Drive-In. I'll sneak a soda into the Nick, but only because I spend the bulk of my allotted concessions money on the great buckets of beer specials that they have. Monetta, while I do have to sneak in alcohol, is the last drive-in in SC so I cough up the extra cash to help keep it afloat.
pretty sad when you have to drink at a movie theatre to enable your Alcoholism.....
$7.25 or $8.25 depending on which theater. The more expensive one is nicer and a fifteen minute walk from where I live. Its a couple dollars cheaper during the day and there's a $1.50 theater that's pretty decent. They allow backpacks since everyone here is on bike so I always sneak in food.
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
The Titanic record of 600 million is unlikely but I bet if Ledger gets a nomination for an Oscar and they re-release the movie in January and market it properly it could make some more dough.....maybe even break the record.
Sneaking your own food into the cinema? Thats pretty gay. You can take whatever you want into the cinemas here (food and drink wise), they dont have rules forcing you to buy their overpriced shit, thankfully!
Yeah, well the theaters claim they stay alive due to the food sales. Makes sense 'cause it's $20- for 2 soda, corn, and a box of candy. Thats $5-, real world price.
You couldn't take your own food into the cinema here, until someone sued them for that a few years ago. Now they still give you shit about it, but if anyone says anything you can just say "Oi! Shut up or I'll sue you!" and they go hide.
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I thought eckhart's performance was excellent. but I guess if nolan is trying to move away from certain comic cliches, 'surprise! he secretly survived off panel!' would be as good as any to start with.
But Harvey didn't have to survive off panel. There was nothing in his death that made it completely unrealistic that he would have lived, especially after the scene where Batman dropped Maroni from a similar distance with the statement that a fall from that height wouldn't be fatal.
True, but the "Harvey is dead" statement comes directly from Aaron Eckhart.
Of course, I wouldn't put it past Nolan to have Eckhart and company start spreading that rumor so that his return in the next film is a surprise.
Ekhart contradicts himself anyway. He states a fact that Dent will not be back, but then goes on to say that nothing has been decided about the movie.
How can he say with any conviction that Dent will not be back? The only thing he would be able to say is he would not be back as Dent if he has already decided he does not want to return.
Of course, as G-Man said, it could all be smoke and mirrors, to cover up any storylines from the next film, especially after all the stuff that they circulated prior to the last film.
Like TDK, nothing will be certain until we all see it, so any speculation or rumour is pointless at this moment in time!
during a random read through of some pages here, there were two points brought up a few times that i wanted to discuss:
1) that the whole "hong kong" thing didn't need to happen
in addition to providing some very, very kickass scenes (diving off the skyscraper, the hookshot, etc) i think the driving purpose of this scene was to stress batman's heroic role not only to gotham, but the world. ironically two fold, it also served the purpose of proving to harvey dent how great / important batman was. it was an example of how harvey could use batman to solve a problem he couldn't solve himself -- the money was purposefully taken out of gotham, out of dent's reach.
2) the "timing" of the hookshot was a bit too perfect
first off, that seems a little movie nitpicky to me. but, even still, the timing works out. for starters, batman did wait by the broken window for a few pauses, as the beacon calling in the plane had its chance to ...well, beacon. and secondly, the entire thing was timed: before leaping into the building, batman shot the glass where he'd escape with timed explosives. he, presumably, gave himself enough time to hop in, grab the chinamen (who was the issue) and bounce.
during a random read through of some pages here, there were two points brought up a few times that i wanted to discuss:
1) that the whole "hong kong" thing didn't need to happen
in addition to providing some very, very kickass scenes (diving off the skyscraper, the hookshot, etc) i think the driving purpose of this scene was to stress batman's heroic role not only to gotham, but the world. ironically two fold, it also served the purpose of proving to harvey dent how great / important batman was. it was an example of how harvey could use batman to solve a problem he couldn't solve himself -- the money was purposefully taken out of gotham, out of dent's reach.
2) the "timing" of the hookshot was a bit too perfect
first off, that seems a little movie nitpicky to me. but, even still, the timing works out. for starters, batman did wait by the broken window for a few pauses, as the beacon calling in the plane had its chance to ...well, beacon. and secondly, the entire thing was timed: before leaping into the building, batman shot the glass where he'd escape with timed explosives. he, presumably, gave himself enough time to hop in, grab the chinamen (who was the issue) and bounce.
so there.
For point one, yes! It enforced the aspect that although Batman works with the law, he still works outside it.
For point two. What people are also missing the point of, is this is based on fact and was actually done, so yes, of course the timing would be spot on as thats how it was planned. You wouldnt plan something like that and not have your timing spot on.
Do people think that when anyone does some crazy stunt in real life, that they dont work things out so timing etc is perfect?
More importantly, it's part of the whole conceit of Batman (not to mention James Bond, Indiana Jones, Die Hard and about a million other action movies) that those "perfect timing" things work out when the plot requires it.
With nearly a billion dollars in the bank since the film’s July release, Warner Bros. has announced that its box office juggernaut “The Dark Knight” will be hitting store shelves December 9 as a two-disc special edition, available in both standard DVD and high-definition Blu-ray (as well as a special “Batpod Edition”).
Trumpeting over three hours of bonus material, the collection will include a bevy of special features including two documentaries surrounding the film, the character and his gadgets, six episodes of “Gotham Tonight” (”Gotham Cable’s premiere news program”), Joker cards, concept and poster art, production stills, and more.
Where does a person pre-order this stuff? I tried Amazon and signed up to get an e-mail notification, but now I can't even find the sucker on a search. wtf?
Where does a person pre-order this stuff? I tried Amazon and signed up to get an e-mail notification, but now I can't even find the sucker on a search. wtf?
Where does a person pre-order this stuff? I tried Amazon and signed up to get an e-mail notification, but now I can't even find the sucker on a search. wtf?
I preordered from Amazon!
i'm retarded at that search. all apologies. but I checked again, it still says it'll e-mail me when available. that's not the same as pre-order, I don't think...
according to box office mojo, this was the first weekend since it's premiere that "dark knight" was not in wide-release (which they say means less than 250 theaters)
the last day of the film's 98-day run was thursday, october 23rd, where it made $43,381 to reach the (thus far) final total of $527,526,286.
The mayor of an oil-producing city in southeastern Turkey, which has the same name as the Caped Crusader, is suing helmer Christopher Nolan and Warner Bros. for royalties from mega-grosser "The Dark Knight."
Huseyin Kalkan, the pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party mayor of Batman, has accused "The Dark Knight" producers of using the city's name without permission.
"There is only one Batman in the world," Kalkan said. "The American producers used the name of our city without informing us."
No one from the town of Batman has explained why it took so many years to take legal action. Batman first appeared as a comicbook character in 1939 and the "Batman" TV series started in 1966. Tim Burton's first bigscreen rendition for Warner Bros. came out in 1989. Undoubtedly the fact that "Dark Knight" is about to pass the $1 billion mark at the B.O. played a part in stirring the ire of the Turkish hamlet.
The mayor is prepping a series of charges against Nolan and Warner Bros., which owns the right to the Batman character, including placing the blame for a number of unsolved murders and a high female suicide rate on the psychological impact that the film's success has had on the city's inhabitants.
Former natives of Batman are also said to have encountered obstacles when attempting to register their businesses abroad.
The mayor is working on gathering evidence he claims will show that the city of Batman predates the 1939 debut of Bob Kane's superhero in DC Comics.
"We are only aware of this claim via press reports and have not seen any actual legal action," a Warner Bros. rep said in a statement.
While the town of Batman has suddenly shown great interest in the property, there's no evidence that the citizenry has ever shown much loyalty to the Caped Crusader -- not even on Halloween.
The mayor of an oil-producing city in southeastern Turkey, which has the same name as the Caped Crusader, is suing helmer Christopher Nolan and Warner Bros. for royalties from mega-grosser "The Dark Knight."
Huseyin Kalkan, the pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party mayor of Batman, has accused "The Dark Knight" producers of using the city's name without permission.
"There is only one Batman in the world," Kalkan said. "The American producers used the name of our city without informing us."
No one from the town of Batman has explained why it took so many years to take legal action. Batman first appeared as a comicbook character in 1939 and the "Batman" TV series started in 1966. Tim Burton's first bigscreen rendition for Warner Bros. came out in 1989. Undoubtedly the fact that "Dark Knight" is about to pass the $1 billion mark at the B.O. played a part in stirring the ire of the Turkish hamlet.
The mayor is prepping a series of charges against Nolan and Warner Bros., which owns the right to the Batman character, including placing the blame for a number of unsolved murders and a high female suicide rate on the psychological impact that the film's success has had on the city's inhabitants.
Former natives of Batman are also said to have encountered obstacles when attempting to register their businesses abroad.
The mayor is working on gathering evidence he claims will show that the city of Batman predates the 1939 debut of Bob Kane's superhero in DC Comics.
"We are only aware of this claim via press reports and have not seen any actual legal action," a Warner Bros. rep said in a statement.
While the town of Batman has suddenly shown great interest in the property, there's no evidence that the citizenry has ever shown much loyalty to the Caped Crusader -- not even on Halloween.
This movie is now in second run theaters but I doubt it will will make enough money there to make a difference.
The DVD comes out soon. I'm starting to believe that we will see a re-release around oscar time if its nominated for anything.
I've heard a lot of people say that this movie is the comic book movie equivalent of The Departed. If it does as well as the Departed did I expect comic book movies to be even bigger than they are now.
I've heard a lot of people say that this movie is the comic book movie equivalent of The Departed.
That seems like a strange analogy to me. Gangster flicks have been critically acclaimed for years and Scorcese gangster movies are almost always Oscar nominated.
I would think a better analogy would be that this is the comic book movie equivalent of "Stagecoach" in that it elevated the western out of the "B" movie genre and into the mainstream of critical acclaim.
I wouldnt say that the Spidey films, X-Men films, the original Superman film, the Burton Batman film and a whole host of others, were viewed as b-movies. Ditto for Begins as well!
My explanation of the analogy was imprecise. I'll rephrase.
"Stagecoach" elevated the western genre out of the catagory of "B" movie to critical heights previously unheard of for that genre.
"The Dark Knight" did the same thing, insofar as it elevated the comic book movie out of the catagory of "popcorn" flick into critical heights previously unheard of for that genre.
I thought Batman Begins was the first comic book movie that wasn't a B movie. In my opinion it was the first movie that didn't rely on the comic to be good. You could have gone in there knowing nothing about Batman and enjoy it.
I thought Batman Begins was the first comic book movie that wasn't a B movie. In my opinion it was the first movie that didn't rely on the comic to be good. You could have gone in there knowing nothing about Batman and enjoy it.
I know enough people who knew nothing about comics other than the names of a big few characters, and are huge fans of films like X-Men, Blade, the 89 Batman film, Spiderman etc
I dont think there have been any comic book films that rely on you knowing anything about the comic books, in fact thats often been what fanboys moan about, the fact that the films are geared to those that dont read comics.
This movie is now in second run theaters but I doubt it will will make enough money there to make a difference. The DVD comes out soon. I'm starting to believe that we will see a re-release around oscar time if its nominated for anything.
On January 22nd, 2009, the nominees for the 2009 Academy Awards will be announced. Clearly, Warner Bros. is confident that a) THE DARK KNIGHT will be one of the five Best Picture nominees, and b) the ensuing excitement amongst fans will be enough to drive them back to the theater for one last celebratory screening. At the end of this second run, once you factor in those inflated IMAX admissions, another $77 million might be possible. $1 billion worldwide, on the other hand, is guaranteed (it's only $4 million shy at the moment).
all the oscar buzz talk that i ever read was typically solely about ledger and best supporting actor -- i never thought it would be in the typically elitist-ish* best picture category. (* to comedies, action films, and typically any movie not featuring someone retarded or handicapped in some fashion). but, fuck yeah, i'll see it again in theaters!
LOS ANGELES - As the box-office bankroll climbed for " The Dark Knight " last summer, the Hollywood consensus was that a posthumous nomination for Heath Ledger was the Batman blockbuster's best Academy Awards hope.
Now that critics have gotten a peek at all the last-minute Oscar contenders, "The Dark Knight" has emerged as a solid contender for best picture and best director for Christopher Nolan .
Web sites such as TheEnvelope.com and Awardsdaily.com rank Nolan and Ledger among key Oscar contenders and list "The Dark Knight" alongside best-picture possibilities such as Ron Howard 's "Frost/Nixon," Gus Van Sant 's "Milk" and David Fincher's " The Curious Case of Benjamin Button ."
"Far be it for me to try and predict, and I think that anybody looks like a (jerk) if you really try to predict what people are going to vote for. But certainly, for me, I think that the serious contenders in this movie in my mind are Heath, Chris for director because he's done an extraordinary job, and I do believe best picture, as well," " Dark Knight " star Christian Bale said Wednesday night at a cocktail reception for the filmmakers and critics.
It's unusual for an action flick to climb into the company of Hollywood 's year-end prestige pictures, with Oscar voters tending toward highbrow literary works rather than comic-book adaptations. Among the action films that made the best-picture cut at the Oscars were the three " Lord of the Rings " movies and " Raiders of the Lost Ark ."
But building on the critical and commercial success of 2005's " Batman Begins ," the sequel elevated the superhero genre to a new high, with critics ranking "The Dark Knight" as one of the year's best films.
"It is a genre movie, but I think it goes beyond it with the themes in this movie," said "Dark Knight" co-star Aaron Eckhart . "It's an important movie sociologically. I feel like in this day and age, with terrorism and with the cancers of the city and people trying to find a voice within their own city, this is an important film.
"But it's a Batman film, so it has that going for it. It has that going against it."
With about $1 billion in worldwide theatrical grosses, "The Dark Knight" arrives on home video Tuesday, two days before the Golden Globe nominations , where the movie could gain some Oscar momentum if it scores well there.
Ledger, who died in January of an accidental prescription drug overdose, is considered a likely supporting-actor nominee for his diabolical performance as Batman nemesis the Joker. Oscar nominations come out Jan. 22, the one-year anniversary of Ledger's death.
"I'd like to think he would be very quietly proud of the fact that people really responded to it in the way he'd intended, were moved by the performance," Nolan said. "As far as Heath goes, any and every validation of the success of his performance is a great source of pride to me and relief to me that I've done my end of getting his performance out there."
they're starting to promoting the buhgezus out of the DVD now.
if i had to make a singular complaint about anything "dark knight" related, it'd be the picture they so often use (and is even a DVD cover option) of the batpod ...that... drove through a building? or something? and is crashing through a window, to then fall on the camera. ...again, or something.
Actually, Rob, about the only scene in the movie I hated was when Bats spun the Bat Pod on the wall after he flipped the truck...I thought it was over the top and dumb.
Batman has helped put Chicago back on Hollywood's radar, especially with the high-profile productions of "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" having been filmed here in the last few years.
But the new two-disc DVD of "The Dark Knight" sheds little light on Chicago as Gotham City.
Or on much else.
The movie translates spectacularly well onto the smaller screen, and the late Heath Ledger's menacing turn as the Joker remains a riveting, hypnotic performance. His line at the end of the movie, "I've got a feeling we're going to be doing this for a long time," is haunting, given Ledger's premature death in January at age 28.
But by modern standards, "The Dark Knight's" DVD package and extras are -- with apologies to the Joker -- laughably thin.
A few of the features (especially "Batman Unmasked" on the Blu-ray version) appear to be repackaged TV pieces meant to promote the movie before its release.
Nevertheless, a few minutes of behind-the-scenes footage of the armored car chase on Lower Wacker Drive on the feature "Evolution of the Knight" will be of interest to Chicagoans. Shots of an outdoor dry run of the Batpod chase sequence stunts (possibly in rural England), including a test of the famous end-over-end flip of a semi, later duplicated on LaSalle Street, are worth watching.
But that's about it. Other mildly interesting components include six larger-format IMAX scenes, and a featurette with composer Hans Zimmer talking about crafting the Joker's musical cue.
Director Christopher Nolan provides no commentary track, and even stranger, no one mentions the loss of Ledger. This is odd, considering the talk of a posthumous Academy Award for best supporting actor.
Nolan gave his "Memento" a lavish DVD treatment, complete with a re-edited version of the film only accessible when viewers solve a puzzle. With the mischievous persona of the Joker built into "The Dark Knight," ample opportunity exists for mischievous DVD Easter eggs and a wide array of featurettes.
Given the stature of the film, which ranks No. 2 behind "Titanic" on the all-time domestic box office charts, "The Dark Knight" deserves more. So do fans. Someone light up the Batsignal.
i never understood the appeal of imax scenes that were watched outside of an imax theater. isn't that like providing surround sound through a mono speaker?
From looking at it, the scenes themselves have no extra footage in them, they are just a different (more annoying) aspect ratio. Its just a big square box in the middle of your screen with black bars either side.
the zimmer featurette was more entertaining than informative, but if I didn't understand motivic development by now I'd have no business in this field. the article touched on it, and I was disappointed by the lack of location featurettes. it seemed like the spidey featurettes spent as much time talking about cleveland as new york as the tdk featurettes spent on chicago as gotham. and that ain't right. as the inventor of the ferris bueller field trip™, I would've enjoyed a more detailed walkthrough, since by my third viewing I was sitting through the exterior sequences like 'yup... been there... been there... hey, that's that one building...'
the unmasked featurette is a repackaged history channel special, and it's not bad, but they could have used the 'batman tech' special from about the same time and it would've been a lot more interesting to a lot of people. (if disc 2 isn't copy-protected I'm considering making my own smash-up features disc with both specials on it.) and all the imax stuff really isn't worth it unless you've got at least a 32" hdtv (really a 42" to see a major difference) and bitchin' home-theater sound. I'm still glad I bought it - the digital copies are useful as my video card is lined out to my tv and this saves me having to jockey the discs around. but unfortunately, it seems like the coolest thing about the edition I bought is that the mask packaging sort of matches the special-edition iron man case I have. hopefully they'll do a begins/dark knight set with a bunch more stuff crammed into it soon.
I agree with Rob on the Imax thing. The whole point of Imax is a huge screen and 3D. I don't see why anyone would want those shots on a DVD. Even if you had the biggest home theater setup on earth, why bother?
On the other hand, maybe the dearth of features is simply because Nolan didn't shoot that much extra stuff, especially in light of the Ledger death.
Probably the most entertaining thing they could have done was get Adam West and Jack Nicholson to do a voiceover commentary, moaning about how Bale and Ledger "stole" their characters.
Moviegoers in China will not get to experience Heath Ledger’s bone-chilling performance as the Joker in “The Dark Knight” — or any other aspect of the film for that matter. While “The Dark Knight” is already showing in Hong Kong, Warner Brothers has opted not to open it in China, or even offer it to government censors for their consideration, because of what the studio described as “prerelease conditions” and “cultural sensitivities,” The Associated Press reported. The studio may have been concerned that censors would be offended by scenes shot in Hong Kong, including those in which Batman nabs a gangster. Another potential point of conflict: the film includes a brief appearance by Edison Chen, above, the Hong Kong singer and record producer who appeared in sexually explicit photographs with several women that were posted on the Internet this year.
Jermery is making a challenge for the ultimate gayness title this year. Apparently its the first time Rob has felt scared that he might lose the title!
"The Dark Knight" soared away with every trophy it was nominated for Wednesday at the 35th annual fan-favorite CBS ceremony. The caped crusader flick won five awards, including favorite cast, superhero, action movie and on-screen matchup for Christian Bale's Batman and the late Heath Ledger's Joker.
"On behalf of all of the cast from the movie, thank you very much to the fans," said Bale. "Here's to Heath."
according to box office mojo, this was the first weekend since it's premiere that "dark knight" was not in wide-release (which they say means less than 250 theaters)
the last day of the film's 98-day run was thursday, october 23rd, where it made $43,381 to reach the (thus far) final total of $527,526,286.
currently listed at $531 million n'change, prior to this past weekend, which was sposda be a small re-release (though i didn't really see any buzz for it, did you?)
The re-release was originally planned to capitalize on an expected "Best Picture" nomination. When that didn't happen (the Ledger nom was pretty much a forgone conclusion) WB probably elected to not bother promoting it.
Why blame just "the Reader"? If Hollywood wasn't on it's typical "we have to show the gays we aren't homophobic" and/or "Muslims deserve our sympathy" fix "Milk" and "Slumdog Millionaire" probably wouldn't be there either.
Why blame just "the Reader"? If Hollywood wasn't on it's typical "we have to show the gays we aren't homophobic" and/or "Muslims deserve our sympathy" fix "Milk" and "Slumdog Millionaire" probably wouldn't be there either.
What has Slumdog Millionaire got to do with muslims?
Why blame just "the Reader"? If Hollywood wasn't on it's typical "we have to show the gays we aren't homophobic" and/or "Muslims deserve our sympathy" fix "Milk" and "Slumdog Millionaire" probably wouldn't be there either.
What has Slumdog Millionaire got to do with muslims?
The lead character is a Muslim and the whole reason he is a "slumdog" is because the Indians force their Muslims to live in a ghetto. He's an orphan because his mother is killed in an anti-Muslim riot.
i do this every time? who does the fucking laundry around these fucking boards? who has dinner ready every night while you are off playing on your web blog? WHO SET THROUGH EVERY FUCKING BATMAN WEBISODE? WHO ROB? WHO!?!?!?!?
Apparently, it's beginning to appear in odd places in Los Angeles, but nobody seems to know who's responsible for it.
Radio host Tammy Bruce posted some pictures of this odd creation at her blog Saturday morning (h/t Pamela Geller) leading me to investigate further.
At this point, all I could find on the subject was an April 25 article from Bedlam Magazine:
A poster of Barack Obama in Heath Ledger-style Joker make-up with the legend 'Socialism' beneath it has been popping up recently on surfaces around L.A. It does not appear to be in the same category as the many benign take-offs on the Shepard Fairey 'Hope' poster, such as the one by Australian James Lillis (more of a straightforward spoof that merely substituted a Shepardized image of Heath Ledger as Joker on the Obama poster).
Jesus H! What are we, islamic extremists? LET them put Mohammad in a bomb hat! Let them draw pictures of the president dressed up as a villain! FUCKALL WHO CARES?!
Felony Vandalism Charges Possible in Obama Joker Poster Case: A Florida teenager could find himself in a sticky situation as a state attorney prepares to review possible felony vandalism charges in connection to the posters depicting President Obama as the Joker
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Y'know, my friend is wearing a specially-made gown just like that one (Harley) for Armageddon in Melbourne, AU this week. She made the earrings and scepter herself. She is gonna meet up with Adam Hughes (at his request sorta... he sent her an immense high-res copy of the image for her to give her seamstress). She was dressed in another Harley costume there yesterday (day before?) and Seth Green ran up to her for a photo, then apparently ran away giggling like a fanboy. She is also going to SDCC next year, has a different Harley costume for every day, including the pink+purple sequined one from the Harley and Ivy comic where they go Hollywood. She also recently did a professional photo shoot in her bedroom, dressed in the little red nightgown from Mad Love (http://theprincessbee.deviantart.com/gallery/?12177422#Mad-Love ). At my suggestion, she is contemplating wearing THAT outfit one of the days at SDCC'10. She is also my wonderful Sex Worker friend. She also does pole-dancing and burlesque. You are all welcome (as it is only fair I get a "thank you" or two for providing this information in plenty time to make vacation arrangements).
Y'know, my friend is wearing a specially-made gown just like that one (Harley) for Armageddon in Melbourne, AU this week. She made the earrings and scepter herself. She is gonna meet up with Adam Hughes (at his request sorta... he sent her an immense high-res copy of the image for her to give her seamstress). She was dressed in another Harley costume there yesterday (day before?) and Seth Green ran up to her for a photo, then apparently ran away giggling like a fanboy. She is also going to SDCC next year, has a different Harley costume for every day, including the pink+purple sequined one from the Harley and Ivy comic where they go Hollywood. She also recently did a professional photo shoot in her bedroom, dressed in the little red nightgown from Mad Love (http://theprincessbee.deviantart.com/gallery/?12177422#Mad-Love ). At my suggestion, she is contemplating wearing THAT outfit one of the days at SDCC'10. She is also my wonderful Sex Worker friend. She also does pole-dancing and burlesque. You are all welcome (as it is only fair I get a "thank you" or two for providing this information in plenty time to make vacation arrangements).
There are two people in that pic. Which one is your friend?
Y'know, my friend is wearing a specially-made gown just like that one (Harley) for Armageddon in Melbourne, AU this week. She made the earrings and scepter herself. She is gonna meet up with Adam Hughes (at his request sorta... he sent her an immense high-res copy of the image for her to give her seamstress). She was dressed in another Harley costume there yesterday (day before?) and Seth Green ran up to her for a photo, then apparently ran away giggling like a fanboy. She is also going to SDCC next year, has a different Harley costume for every day, including the pink+purple sequined one from the Harley and Ivy comic where they go Hollywood. She also recently did a professional photo shoot in her bedroom, dressed in the little red nightgown from Mad Love (http://theprincessbee.deviantart.com/gallery/?12177422#Mad-Love ). At my suggestion, she is contemplating wearing THAT outfit one of the days at SDCC'10. She is also my wonderful Sex Worker friend. She also does pole-dancing and burlesque. You are all welcome (as it is only fair I get a "thank you" or two for providing this information in plenty time to make vacation arrangements).
There are two people in that pic. Which one is your friend?
I know you are old n shit, but there is only one person dressed as Harley in that pic.
Y'know, my friend is wearing a specially-made gown just like that one (Harley) for Armageddon in Melbourne, AU this week. She made the earrings and scepter herself. She is gonna meet up with Adam Hughes (at his request sorta... he sent her an immense high-res copy of the image for her to give her seamstress). She was dressed in another Harley costume there yesterday (day before?) and Seth Green ran up to her for a photo, then apparently ran away giggling like a fanboy. She is also going to SDCC next year, has a different Harley costume for every day, including the pink+purple sequined one from the Harley and Ivy comic where they go Hollywood. She also recently did a professional photo shoot in her bedroom, dressed in the little red nightgown from Mad Love (http://theprincessbee.deviantart.com/gallery/?12177422#Mad-Love ). At my suggestion, she is contemplating wearing THAT outfit one of the days at SDCC'10. She is also my wonderful Sex Worker friend. She also does pole-dancing and burlesque. You are all welcome (as it is only fair I get a "thank you" or two for providing this information in plenty time to make vacation arrangements).
There are two people in that pic. Which one is your friend?
I know you are old n shit, but there is only one person dressed as Harley in that pic.
Neither are her friend. Her friend will be wearing the same dress as the woman dressed as Harley.
Doesn't matter which one, I just hope whoever she is in that pic, that she will never sleep with Snarf.
Oh don't be so ignorant. She works with a group that provides whores for the handicapped. They need sex too. She won't sleep with Snarf because you need money first and he needs a job before he has money.
Uschi, it's cool that your chick up there helps "maintain" the handicapp. Yeah, jokes and all. But, seriously, that's an awesome service to provide. She has my respect...
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Time probably stopped for Superman and DC fans when news broke that Christopher Nolan was going to oversee Warner Bros' Superman reboot, and that David S. Goyer would be penning a new Man of Steel story. (Possibly even titled Man of Steel.) As Nolan is one of those quiet chaps, there's been little word on what he and Goyer plan to do, but he's broken his silence and given an interview with Hero Complex.
Nolan remains tight-lipped on Goyer's idea, but revealed that it came about as they hit an impasse on Batman 3. "He basically told me, 'I have this thought about how you would approach Superman.' I immediately got it, loved it and thought: That is a way of approaching the story I've never seen before that makes it incredibly exciting. I wanted to get Emma [Thomas] and I involved in shepherding the project right away and getting it to the studio and getting it going in an exciting way." He wasn't willing to discuss villains (though he said Mr. Freeze won't be in it) or what time period it'll be set in, though he denied all the Man of Steel rumors currently circulating. There's a Superman reboot, and Goyer is writing the script. That's all he'll say, the tease.
Ok, not quite. Nolan quickly quashed any idea that a new Superman movie will lead to a Justice League spinoff. Superman will exist in his own world of Metropolis, and have no conception of a world where other superheroes exists. "A lot of people have approached Superman in a lot of different ways. I only know the way that has worked for us that's what I know how to do .... Each [hero] serves to the internal logic of the story. They have nothing to do with each other."
As for Batman 3, it is picking up steam. Jonathan Nolan is hard at work on the script, and while Nolan won't say whether or not he'll direct, he still seems to have a lot of enthusiasm for Gotham City and is eager to bring his Batman saga to a close. That's something the rumor mill didn't reveal at all, and should calm the fanboy fears that he will abandon his creation. "I'm very excited about the end of the film, the conclusion, and what we've done with the characters," Nolan said. "My brother has come up with some pretty exciting stuff. Unlike the comics, these thing don't go on forever in film and viewing it as a story with an end is useful. Viewing it as an ending, that sets you very much on the right track about the appropriate conclusion and the essence of what tale we're telling. And it hearkens back to that priority of trying to find the reality in these fantastic stories. That's what we do."
Now let the rumor mill and fantasy casting begin. The silence was just the gathering of the geek storm, believe me.
sadly i have to agree with down syndrome boy. dont exactly see whats awesome (bollocks to the h) about it, especially compared to the IM2 trailer.
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Parys is correct
Never, ever say shit like that. If Pariah hates something, we must all like it, and if he likes something, we must all hate it. Thats the way its always been. This creates a huge paradox.
It probably has to do with the fact that Christian Bale himself is standing on the ledge of a skyscraper instead of a stunt double.
aye.
that whole scene of dark knight was kick ass, but seeing how portions of it were real (batman is real!) and not layers of CG, particularly in today's movie making, is aweshome.
Jesus H Christ, who the fuck is the idiot who wrote that? He starts out sounding like Batman hasnt been seen in a movie in a long time, then says "Since 2008". Then at the end, says the date is for years after Dark Knight "hits" theatres, which is future tense, suggesting the film hasnt been released yet.
Also, you would have to say the word sequel makes "followup" entirely redundant.
You want to talk moronic, that fat ginger retard over at AICN originally posted the release date as July 20, 2010 (he later went back and fixed it). There's about a hundred posts on his talkback now mocking him for it.
You want to talk moronic, that fat ginger retard over at AICN originally posted the release date as July 20, 2010 (he later went back and fixed it). There's about a hundred posts on his talkback now mocking him for it.
this is why people over 70 shouldn't use the internet. There are so many things out there that are way funnier than a typo. Have you seen youtube? Type in monkey. Guaranteed comedy gold.
Looks like Enzyte Bob/The Joker needs eyebrows!
Oye, who thought that was a good idea? 
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about signing up a bunch of fanboys and getting a theater to let us book a showing to ourselves on opening day. When Begins came out, I went in my BatGirl costume, of course, and the only other person there also dressed up was a 5 year old in his Batman pjs. I want to be in a crowd of geeks, goddamnit! I don't want to be the only one drooling and unblinking like I was at Begins! Plus, he bought the Comic store last October from the owner and I've been trying to come up with some ways for him to drum up more business.
So, I have a weakness for Scots.
I think Pro is lactating as well!
Have you seen this poster?
