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A few weeks ago here in L.A., there was a controversy over the Silent Movie Theatre, an honest to gob movie house here that shows nothing but silent era films, deciding to show D.W. Griffiths "Birth of a Nation". After some heated protest, the showing was cancelled. Below is one of the more fascinating debates i've read or heard regarding art, censorship and race in a long time if not ever.

Yeah, I know G-man is gonna rake me over the coals for length. I however didn't want to edit it on account of there was pretty much nothing not worth considering in the article.

I suppose I should say that I don't agree with censorship in the slightest, regardless of how distasteful the content is. Rather, i beleive that films like BOAN should be put into the light and not shunned away as cultural embarassments in the way Warner has done with their 40's era cartoons and their racist stereotypes. It's history. And regardless if it emboldens bigots or not, I think history should have an honest face and not be glossed over so later generations can get nothing but the warm fuzzies thinking of the past.

So yeah, it may enbolden racists. But it serves to remind those who aern't that this is the legacy we all live with.

What boggled my mind is that D.W. Griffiths' father fought in the Civil War. Somehow for me, that brought the Civil War that much closer to my own time if you consider that the last of the silent era stars have just recently died in the past 2 decades. So instead of seeing The Civil War as ancient history that happened over a century and a half ago, it brought it up to me as being only 3 or 4 lifetimes ago. And if you see it that way, IMO then it's not some long long ago event that people are told is ancient history that they need to get over. Those attitudes are undobtedly carried over and it'll take more than the lifetimes of 3 or 4 generations to completely erase.

So no, I didn't agree with the NAACP on this. Nor did I agree with the heavy handed tactics used to stop it's showing. I partially agree with having context added afterwards but I also tend to think people can add their own context themselves.


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The Worth of 'A Nation'

D.W. Griffith's epic has seared emotions for almost 90 years. A pioneering work of filmmaking? A shameful racist diatribe? In many ways, it has relevance for 2004.

Decried from Day One
Sep 19, 2004

By Greg Braxton, Times Staff Writer

On Aug. 9, a rare public showing of D.W. Griffith's 1915 Civil War epic, "The Birth of a Nation," was abruptly canceled. The owner of the Silent Movie Theatre had received threats of arson and worse in anonymous phone messages, and activists and community groups, including the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, had called for protests.

Two weeks later, in an attempt to comprehend the continuing controversy surrounding the film, the Los Angeles Times held a screening and subsequent round-table discussion. Invited to participate were film scholar and historian David Shepard, who helped produce the film's release on DVD and had been scheduled to introduce the screening at the Silent Movie Theatre; community activist and KPFK-FM radio host Earl Ofari Hutchinson, who held a news conference outside the theater that night; UCLA history professor Ellen Dubois; and Aaron McGruder, creator of the acerbic comic strip "The Boondocks" and coauthor with filmmaker Reginald Hudlin of a graphic novel titled, coincidentally, "Birth of a Nation." Times staff writer Greg Braxton moderated.

The screening of Shepard's own print of the film, with live accompaniment by musician Rick Friend, lasted more than three hours. It was uncomfortable, and not only because of the hard Times auditorium chairs. Among the images in the film:



A scene set in the black-majority South Carolina House of Representatives of 1871, in which barefooted legislators swig from pint bottles and eat fried chicken.

A young white woman leaping from a cliff to her death rather than be touched by a black soldier who has pursued her.

An extended close-up of "America's Sweetheart" Lillian Gish bound and gagged, a threatening black fist near her face.

Hooded Ku Klux Klan members riding to the rescue of a white family and, in another scene, with guns drawn, preventing black voters from going to the polls.

And yet the filmmaking craft is undeniable. There are moments of great emotional tenderness as well as masterfully choreographed battle scenes and thrilling action editing.

The discussion that followed was heated. Accusations of disrespect and long-windedness flew across the table. Two participants threatened to leave. There were tangential skirmishes on issues from media ownership to the presidential campaign to ignorant audiences. But ultimately, there was agreement — that 90 years later, "The Birth of a Nation" still has the power to stun, and that the legacy of slavery in this country has yet to be resolved.



A CROSS TO BEAR
The original movie poster depicts a Klan member charging into the fray.
(Bison Archives)







FRONT ROW SEATS
UCLA history professor Ellen Dubois, left, "Boondocks" creator Aaron McGruder, activist Earl Ofari Hutchinson and film preservationist David Shepard discussed the film.


An abridged transcript:

Can you briefly sum up your assessment, your personal assessment of the value of this film?

Shepard: I think the film is a pioneering work historically. I think the film sums up the level of motion picture art as of 1915. I think the film is a political film, which makes a statement that people listened to, probably for the first time in the history of motion pictures. There it is in three sentences.



Earl, you say you've seen this film several times.

Hutchinson: Probably one of the best assessments I ever heard, someone said to me one time about "Birth of a Nation," and this is a film historian/filmmaker, "Why in God's name did one of the great cinematic gems, in terms of innovative techniques, in terms of editing, in terms of influence, from an artistic standpoint" — we'll get to the political in a minute — "why did it have to be, also, one of the most racist films, if not the most racist film, ever made?"

If this had been a third-rate film, a 10th-rate film, a lousy film, we wouldn't be sitting here now talking about it. It would have long since been buried, it would have long since been forgotten. But because it did break such new ground, and because it had such an overwhelming impact politically, in terms of the racial mores of the time, that just drove it. As a matter of fact, I would even take it a step further. Probably the two greatest films in American cinematic history are also two of the most racist, racially stereotypical and loaded films. "Birth of a Nation" obviously is one. The other one, "Gone With the Wind." Basically, where you see the Southern view of America, the Southern view of race, the Southern view of the Civil War.

I think the other thing that gives ["The Birth of a Nation"] a lot of power and resonance is the stereotypes that are propagated. We see some of those same stereotypes that are still having a life of their own, 90 years later. African Americans are portrayed as clowns and buffoons — we still see a lot of that today in certain areas of art and certainly we see that in some sitcoms and movies. The criminality — we see that. The dysfunctionality — we see that. The ignorance — we see that. The sexual degeneracy of African Americans. Those things are very aptly depicted by Griffith, and guess what? They still have a life of their own today.



Ellen, have you ever seen this film before?

Dubois: No.


So what was your reaction?

Dubois: Incredibly interesting. I absolutely agree with Earl, which is, one of my reactions is to the power of the film — which, by the way, I don't think is an argument not to see it. To me, the equivalent is, we do see [Leni Riefenstahl's 1934 Nazi propaganda film] "Triumph of the Will," because it helps us to understand anti-Semitism. And conversely, in 50 years we're going to want people to look at Fox [News] so that they understand how the world we are in got to be.

Now, the big point I want to make is, I don't see this film as a film historian, so my case is not the same as David's. It's not that it's important for the history of film. I think it's important for the history of the United States, and I think it's important to understand that it doesn't tell us about the Civil War era. It tells us about the early 20th century, and a period that is crucial in translating the heritage of slavery and Reconstruction into something that lives in modern post-slavery America.

So this also connects with what you're saying, [Earl]. I felt that the movie really tells us, you should pardon the expression, how far we've come. We cannot see "Birth of a Nation" without seeing it as a racial film. There's a lot of ways in which I think the people who [first] saw it, saw it as a film about war and bloodshed, and the racial framework of the film is so unquestioned — for instance, that intermarriage is disgusting. It's just there, as if people who intermarry produce monster mulattoes. I'm a historian of women, actually, and one of the things that was interesting to me is how much race and sex are interrelated here. The roles that women take, that way that race takes on a sexual form, and sex as a racial expression — I would just adore showing this film to students and teaching them to see what's in it.



Aaron, have you ever seen this film before?

McGruder: I've seen the highlights. We studied "Birth of a Nation" at the University of Maryland — we didn't watch the whole film, but we certainly discussed it, read about it and saw clips. So part of why I'm a little bit lukewarm to this whole discussion is because in 2004, we're going to sit around and we're all going to say stuff probably that has already been said and written a million times, and we're just going to keep repeating it over and over again. We're going to talk about the film's significance with regard to Hollywood, and then we'll talk about how it's not historically accurate, but, and we'll delve into how the stereotypes continually exist. So I'm like, what next?

What strikes me about watching the film is that I actually thought it showed how far we haven't come, given that the right wing still uses the exact same tactics to win its case. They still pretend like everything they did to blacks, blacks somehow are doing to them — that they are embattled, that they are struggling against some kind of unfairness, that God is on their side. But the thing that really strikes me about this and "Gone With the Wind," and this is the part that I don't hear people talking about, is that, way beyond the degradation of black people, what this film also pioneered, and I think we continue to see to this day as well, is the delusions of grandeur that the white man has. It's not just about how he tears down the black man, it's how he builds himself up. Both depictions, black and white, are equally unrealistic.

Now, here's the problem with the idea that this film creates an opportunity for discussion: Americans are predominately ignorant. We don't read. We don't really have any knowledge of history. And so there is not going to be any intelligent discussion, on the whole, outside of this room.



Well, I don't think it's the film that we discuss so much as the reaction to this film.

McGruder: Whenever I hear "Why are we watching it? Why are we still talking about it?" it's always, "Well, it's going to be a great discussion." And I say, to hell with the discussion. Because people liked Archie Bunker — not because they understood that it was an attack on racism, they liked him because he was a racist. That's how America is. It's still like this to this day. People don't listen to Rush Limbaugh to have an intelligent discussion on race. They listen to Rush Limbaugh because they hate black people and they find some entertainment that supports that.



But people didn't find Archie Bunker dangerous. The reason the screening didn't take place at the Silent Movie Theatre is because there was such an overwhelming protest against it.

McGruder: Nobody has a right to do that.



Do you feel that this film should be seen in a public place?

McGruder: No, not if the people don't want to! Somehow, we keep acting like there's something called free speech in this country. It doesn't exist. Stuff gets censored by communities and private corporations all the time. It happens every other week in my strip.

Dubois: And we defend and promote it?

McGruder: I say that we can't be hypocritical and act like we have to show this because America shows everything, because we never hide anything, we never destroy things that we find offensive and we never bury the truth.

[… after some skirmishing on censorship and Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" …]



Let me take it over to David for a minute. How often is this film seen at all? How often is it seen publicly? What happens when it's exhibited in a public forum?

Shepard: Well, I've not for many years heard of a situation in which it was not exhibited because of prior restraint. When it is exhibited, it's usually seen, I think, as a historical curiosity, but it's widely available on video and DVD. The film is out of copyright. I produced a DVD edition of it, which has been among the most commercially successful things that we ever did, and I actually had to be talked into doing it. I did it along with a half-hour documentary that I think presents the film in a very balanced way, but I'm surprised how many copies it sold. There's no way, of course, to know how many people have seen it, have rented it, have copied it, have passed it on to other people, but it certainly does seem to still have a life, at least on the margins.

McGruder: And I would venture to say that all these people are not going out and buying this film for the sake of academic discussion. This is a film that ultimately makes white people feel good about being white, and that type of thing always sells.

[… after more skirmishing over lengthy answers, and a threat of leaving the table …]



Hutchinson: I think the censorship issue is a big issue, and has to be addressed.

Let me ask this, then: Do you feel that this is a dangerous film and there are circumstances in which it should not be seen?

Hutchinson: Yes, films can be dangerous. They pluck on emotional chords. They can infuriate. They can make political statements, and they in fact can do great damage. "Birth of a Nation," when it did come out, and I'm sure you're aware of this, the NAACP mounted massive protests against this film. By the way, not in New York, but here. The first protest was not in New York or Boston, but in Los Angeles. The second thing is, about the film, it was a recruiting tool for the Ku Klux Klan. We saw an explosion after that of not only Klan violence — lynchings, beatings and so forth — but also the expansion of the Klan.

McGruder: People died because of this film.

Hutchinson: You're absolutely right about that, Aaron. And also, [as] you mentioned about Southerners, the Klan, white men, it did consciously and deliberately put them on a pedestal, elevate their politics, stature, their image. Griffith was very clever. He knew what he was doing.

I want to come back to this, though. Are there any circumstances ever that this film shouldn't be shown? I would say no. And from Day One, our position [on the Silent Movie Theatre screening] was: If you're going to show the film, it should be done under certain circumstances, where you're there, a professor, historian, to actually give it the balance and put it in perspective. Yes, it could have educational value, as a testament of what went on then, a look at America, but also, as Aaron is saying, what we can still see 90 years later in America.

Let me ask Aaron this: You were visibly reacting to the film while it was going on.

McGruder: Yeah.



Don't you think that white audiences and black audiences could view this film and see some of the attitudes and the politics being presented as so over the top and so grossly exaggerated that it wouldn't carry any power?

McGruder: I know very personally the power of fiction. If you understand the psychology of your audience, you can sell them anything. I sell angry black politics to 20 million white people a day. The problem is that once something becomes real, meaning you put it in print, you shoot it out to the world — once it's real and in your head, you go, "Well, some part of it has to be true. I mean, they can't just make it all up, right?" It's an old black-and-white [film], it's about history, and so it ingrains notions in your head. You go, "Well, I'm sure somebody kicked their shoes up in the Legislature and took a sip of alcohol," or "Maybe the slaves were kind of happy, because they seemed to be dancing."

And that's why I think it's a lot more dangerous than we are giving it credit for. A lot of people got killed because of this movie. My gut reaction, when I see people defending it and wanting to talk about it in a certain context and all, is it just reinforces to me that our lives and our history and everything that we are about just has very little value in this country. Because I could very easily pick up a camera and make the equivalent of this movie in reverse, and I would like to see if everyone was talking about how there should be no censorship. America has a very interesting way of censoring ideas, and that is to prevent them from ever getting made and distributed in the first place.



[… after further skirmishing over monopolization of the discussion, and a counter charge of impatient "huffing and puffing," and another motion to leave the table …]



Ellen, what do you think about the sophistication of today's young people or today's audiences in terms of whether Hollywood —

Dubois: I know how uneducated people are, and their ability to read media and see what they see. [To McGruder:( Maybe the difference is you're a cartoonist and I'm an educator. I do believe that people should learn how to develop skills to be able to see things more deeply and more clearly. I really hate the idea that it's all lies and we just get to pick the lies that we like better — I feel particularly terrified of that approach to reality in August of 2004.

I actually think about how this film can be seen by ignorant, uneducated white people, which is, you try to describe what the history of racism was in this country and they don't really believe you. And perhaps you're going to find what I say really untenable, but the historical nature of the racism in this film is such that I do think when regular, not academically sophisticated people, both black and white, see it, they'll be horrified by it. And I think that's helpful, because it teaches them. It's one of the reasons that I think people need to learn about slavery over and over and over again, freshly and with power.

McGruder: In the abstract, I agree. I guess the problem is, having attended a variety of schools since I was born, some largely black, most predominantly white, some public, some private, I don't see where slavery is being taught properly. I don't see where America is exploring the horrors of slavery. And again, a lot of this, in terms of the psychology of slavery and the psychology of white America today, it's not just about trying to convince the world that we are not animals, it's about also trying to convince the world that the white man is not God. And it's not just about bringing us up — somebody has to take the white American down a notch or two.

Now, if we actually taught what racism and slavery were really like in this country when kids are young, instead of I have to specialize in Afro-American studies and then at 19 or 20 somebody will tell me what really went down, then I would say this argument is correct, that we can see this film, and we're an intelligent, literate society. But we don't have that education. You have to go out of your way to find it. We don't equip Americans to intelligently analyze anything, anything at all!

Dubois: How will we do that?

McGruder: I think what we do is, we take a hard look at the news media, and the corporations behind it, and the money that is behind the information we receive. I think we take a hard look at the educational system in this country and then, in 20 years, you might be able to show this movie and have an intelligent discussion about it.

Dubois: Twenty years?

McGruder: The point is, without that, showing the movie is only going to breed hate.

David, when you have seen this screened, or seen it in any sort of form, what is the reaction?

Shepard: As far as I know, it's only run in, essentially, museums and semiacademic kinds of settings. In fact, to me, the protest that precluded the screening at the Silent Movie Theatre was a huge backfire — 220 people would have seen it, at a place which is dedicated to the presentation of silent movies. I was told that there were long waiting lists to get copies from Blockbuster. It made an event which would not otherwise have occurred.

McGruder: When you say that somebody is going to stand up when you screen this film and put it in the proper historical context, I'm wondering who that is and what their proper historical context is, because my historical context could be slightly different. If you start by saying this movie got a lot of innocent people killed —

Shepard: How do you know that?

McGruder: Well, there's a great book called "Without Sanctuary" [by James Allen et al]. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's a photo documentary of lynching in this country. [People] were being lynched because of this idea of the black male rapist, a very commonly used justification for killing innocent people. This image of the white woman throwing herself off the cliff to save herself from this crazy black Kobe Bryant type was ingrained in society at the time, and became a justification for the slaughtering of innocent human beings. Now, that's the historical context I would put it in.



Earl, what do you want to say about censorship?

Hutchinson: I think censorship is inherently dangerous. I think it is a slippery slope. We protested some of the slapstick, insulting sitcoms, insulting films made by African American writers, directors, producers, and of course Hollywood, that also are loaded with the same kind of stereotypes — so we are equal opportunity, looking at stereotypes and calling it as we see it. But one thing we've always been careful of, and I wish everyone to be careful about "Birth of a Nation": If you go out there and say don't go see it, don't show it, I can tell you what's going to happen, right away.

Dubois: It's like telling a kid not to see something.

Hutchinson [to Shepard]: You said 220 people wanted to get into that theater and see it. Let me tell you, we were out there that night, and I can't tell you the venom from people that came up and said, "How dare you, how dare you stop us," not knowing that we weren't stopping them from going in to see it, just simply saying, "If you go in to see it, be informed about what you're seeing." I'm sure that you would have brought another perspective and balance.

Dubois: I want to respond to something Aaron said: the idea that the two points of view are that this has to be defended because it's a great moment in movie history and this can't be seen because it represents historical racism. I don't think those are the two positions. I think this movie should be seen because it represents the history of racism, not because it represents film.

McGruder: And what I'm saying is, I just don't care if it's not shown or not. I'm not saying ban it. I'm just saying I'm not going to fight to defend it, because I know so many things are never shown to the American people.



In terms of its continuing power and impact on society, what is the place of "Birth of a Nation" in the future?

Shepard: Let me answer this indirectly. When I was teaching, I used to ask large classes, hundreds of people, "How many people have read Sinclair Lewis? How many people have read Booth Tarkington?" Sinclair Lewis was the first American to win a Nobel Prize. These were major artists in their day. And essentially nobody has read them. You can ask a class of 300 people, "What is the significance of Dunkirk?" and if they're teenagers, nobody knows. So "The Birth of a Nation" is part of a tremendous accumulation of historical artifacts which by and large don't interest people today. And yet, like Booth Tarkington or Scott Fitzgerald, it has a place for those who are interested, and those who are interested probably have the critical skills to assess it.

Hutchinson: As long as we have a racial dynamic that's unresolved in this country, I think there will always be a place for "Birth of a Nation." And also "Gone With the Wind." I think they will always be seen, certainly by film buffs, critics, historians, sociologists, those that specialize in race relations, as the films, the crème de la crème of films that really show America, the racial face of America. How it's seen and interpreted, I don't know. It's going to be filtered through the eyes, the experiences, the brain, the life forces of the person that views it.

Shepard: Ninety years later.

Hutchinson: Ninety years later. Frankly, I think it's a shame that this kind of film is there. Not that it should be banned, not that it didn't make a statement, only in a sense it's still held up as the American icon. I would really like to have seen "The Godfather" being held up, but then of course, Italian Americans might have a dispute about that in terms of stereotypes.

Dubois: You can see that on HBO.

Just an aside, you know what I think would have been great? I think that instead of doing something that could be misrepresented as censorship, what should have happened is that the NAACP in L.A. use this as an opportunity to instruct people about the history of the NAACP, about the length of the battle against "Birth of a Nation." People don't know that battles against lynching are over a hundred years old. That could have flipped the whole experience.

Having said that, to answer your question, every college U.S. history textbook mentions "The Birth of a Nation." It has to. It's an event. I can't believe anybody here doesn't think that it needs to be there for people who are serious about learning about history. Now, the question is, where do you draw the line? Do I get to study it because I have a PhD, but it's so dangerous, like pornography, that somebody who doesn't have the credentials is not allowed?

Aaron, you get the final word.

McGruder: If this was 1915, and I had some position of authority, I would have stopped the movie from being seen. I'd have dragged all the filmmakers out in the street and shot them. That's me. But today, I think it's almost a moot point. In the same way that you see "Star Wars" in about every major blockbuster movie that comes out, I think both from a filmmaking perspective and from a racial perspective you see "Birth of a Nation" in everything. It has transcended movies and shaped the way America sees itself, its history and its black people, and irreversibly so.

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I would have put it in media but this to me was more a 'Deep Thoughts' topic.

So, thought?

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Here's the troubled history of the film itself:


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Decried from Day One

'The Birth of a Nation' sparked protests even before its premiere in Los Angeles, and the Ku Klux Klan saw a rise in membership upon its release.


'The Birth of a Nation'
(Bison Archives)


By Susan King, Times Staff Writer

Filmmaker D.W. Griffith was naively shocked by the angry protests over his Civil War epic, "The Birth of a Nation" — he even made the apologetic "Intolerance" the following year in response to the cries of racism. But the source material for his landmark 1915 film was steeped in hatred and prejudice.

"Birth of a Nation" was based on a 1905 novel and 1906 play, "The Clansman: An Historical Romance of the Ku Klux Klan," by former North Carolina Baptist minister Thomas A. Dixon. It was the second volume in a trilogy in which Dixon extolled the superiority of the white race and the violent exploits of the KKK.


In "The Clansman," he wrote that he hoped to "teach the North, the young North, what it has never known — the awful suffering of the white man during the dreadful Reconstruction period. I believe that Almighty God anointed the white men of the South by their suffering during that time."

Griffith's father, a cavalry officer for the Confederacy, had returned home from the Civil War a broken man, and like Dixon, the Kentucky-born Griffith blamed Reconstructionists and Southern blacks for all of his family's misfortunes. And "The Birth of a Nation" was released just 50 years after the war's end, so the brutal conflict was still fresh in many citizens' minds. In 1915, the country was mired in lynchings in the South, and Jim Crow laws and resentment over the influx of Southern blacks moving to the big cities in the North.

Over the decades, the plot line and memorable performances of "The Birth of a Nation" have been overtaken by the film's blatant racism and the extreme acting styles of the white actors in blackface playing "uppity" former Southern slaves.

During his tenure at Biograph Studios, Griffith had not only developed sophisticated, innovative visual and editing techniques to tell his stories, but also elicited natural performances from his stock company of actors. And the same is true with "The Birth of a Nation." The massive cast — which includes Henry Walthall, Mae Marsh, Lillian Gish, Wallace Reid, Raoul Walsh and Donald Crisp — is uniformly excellent in this epic tale of two families, one from the North and one from the South, who are the best of friends before the war but find themselves fighting each other on the battlefields.

The Civil War, though, is just the beginning of the South's problems, with — as Griffith portrays them — illiterate blacks gaining control of the South Carolina Legislature and disenfranchising the whites. As his old "genteel" world is torn asunder, Confederate vet Ben Cameron starts the Ku Klux Klan. With his white-sheeted cavalry, he avenges the rape of two white women by African Americans — who are depicted as oversexed demons. The film's allegorical ending finds Christ's resurrection helping to heal the torn nation.

Even before the film — then titled "The Clansman" — premiered in Los Angeles on Feb. 8, 1915, the recently formed National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People protested its release. In fact, it opened in Los Angeles only after Griffith got a court injunction. The local censors had approved the film, but City Council members voted to suppress it because of its racist content. The film was retitled "The Birth of a Nation" when it opened in New York City the following month.

Riots and protests

The NAACP sent a scathing review of the film, describing it as "the meanest vilification of the Negro race," to more than 500 newspapers across the country and warned that riots could erupt if theaters showed it. In fact, riots and/or protests did erupt in Dallas, Boston, New York, Nashville, Philadelphia and elsewhere. The film wasn't even released in as many as eight states, including Kansas and Ohio. Meanwhile, the KKK saw a rise in membership after the film's release, and when it opened in Atlanta on Thanksgiving Day in 1915, 25,000 Klansmen paraded through the streets.

Despite the outcry, "The Birth of a Nation," which cost $500,000 to make and featured a cast of 18,000, ranked as the most profitable film for more than two decades, until "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" was released in 1937. In its 11-month run in New York City, 3 million tickets were sold. And the admission price was exorbitant for the time — $2 per ticket. Some estimates put the film's total gross at $60 million.

But the protests did have an impact. Two particularly offensive sequences were cut, including a love scene between a Reconstructionist senator and his mulatto mistress, and an introduction signed by Griffith, titled "A Plea for the Art of the Motion Picture," was added:

"We do not fear censorship, for we have no wish to offend with improprieties or obscenities, but we do demand, as a right, the liberty to show the dark side of wrong, that we may illuminate the bright side of virtue…. If in this work we have conveyed to the mind the ravages of war to the end that war may be held in abhorrence, this effort will not have been in vain."




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I don’t agree with censorship, but it’s naïve to think that people are not lead by what they see on film. Scottish nationalism shot up after the release of Braveheart, despite its historical inaccuracy.

I’m looking forward to the shocked reactions when a generation of Americans who grew up on Saving Private Ryan find out there were British troops fighting in WW2! But I digress.

This piece was clearly racist propaganda and unfortunately the elements of society that it was designed to appeal to still exist. You have to be careful as to how this material is exposed to people, making sure that context is careful explained.

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It would seem to me that, if any film was going to inspire a new generation of racists and KKK members, it won't be a 90 year old silent film.

Most teenagers I know won't even watch B&W movies from the 1960s, let alone this moldy old chestnut.

Furthermore, it appears that the film was shown in a setting that was clearly designed to put it in historical perspective and provide for discussion of its racist overtones.

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True, this is just one for film buffs really.

Christ, I have trouble get my friends to watch black and white films, and they're all reasonably intelligent twentysomethings!

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I really think a lot of the opposition against showing the film are moot, especially McGruder's. As has been said numerous times, the people who would watch this are people who already know about it, people educated in the historical and artistic facts surrounding it.

I remember when we studied D.W. Griffith in film school. He was really a brilliant filmmaker and pioneered may of the techniques that are basic to cinematography. My proffessor referrenced Birth of a Nation as being a master work. He also went into how racist and derogatory it was. I was educated on the context and significance of the film from both sides (the good and the bad). I now have an interest in seeing this movie based simply on its artistic merits and not to be indoctrinated by its racist message. Anyone else who would be interested to watch this film will already go in with foreknowledge of its content. Those who would walk away being influenced towards racial violence would be those that already have a disposition towards violence.


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Not only are McGruder's comments moot, I would argue that they are perhaps hypocritical.

Over the years, McGruder's comic strip has come under fire for allegedly fostering racial stereotypes (the young black "gangsta" rapper, the angry black kid, the ditzy blonde, etc.). McGruder, of course, points out that this is not his intent.

However, if people are as ignorant and potentially racist as he argues here, then shouldn't he consider that such people COULD take the wrong message from his strip and that his strip COULD foster unfortunate ethnic stereotypes?

After all, there is precedent for that: Norman Lear created Archie Bunker to ridicule bigots, only to discover that some people were listening to Archie and going "yeah, that guy makes sense."

Couldn't the same thing happen with the "Boondocks" cast...especially if people are as McGruder claims?

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Has anyone here seen this film besides me?

When the movie firsdt came out it acctually spurred the largest revivall in KKK history (larger than it's first incarnation) Durring the bloody battle scenes many hardened war vetrens weeped in the theater some even mistaking the realism for having acctually being fillmed at the war, but that was then some 80 years ago, the images don't inspire hate, but ridicule at the perposterous image of blacks and the cheesy heroics of the KKK. I don't see any point in showing this film for entertainment perposes, but if they show it in historical perspective then what's the problem? On the otherhand closing a film because of public outrage or even public ignorance or missunderstanding isn't the same as government censorship.


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I'd watch it.

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I'd watch it.




I'm confused, were you admonishing Moor to watch his comments or are you saying you'd watch the film?


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Just saying that I'd watch it. We posted close to each other (3 minutes) and his post didn't show up on the page when I read it.

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Just saying that I'd watch it. We posted close to each other (3 minutes) and his post didn't show up on the page when I read it.




Oh, it sounded like a threat


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True, this is just one for film buffs really.

Christ, I have trouble get my friends to watch black and white films, and they're all reasonably intelligent twentysomethings!




I tend to agree with that. Sheet, I had trouble getting friends of mine to watch a MODERN B&W film (Wings of Desire). They couldn't get past the lack of color, then when the subtitles kick in...fuggedaboutit!

Still, when I went to Amazon to provide a link to the DVD of BOAN, I happened to see this link there on the site:

Klanstore.com

What that link was doing being featured so prominently at such a reputable site as Amazon is beyond me. I guess there really are people still taking comfort in he overtly racist message of the film. Albeit a dwindling minority I hope.

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I have to go with Doc on this one. BoaN was unabashedly racist and bigoted - but it was tremendously influential for those on the other side of the camera. However wrong and corrupt the message of the film is, it is still a well-made film. I would go so far as to say there would have been no Gone With the Wind without Birth of a Nation. And I think that's what people who would see this film are looking for. Film students are frequently shown two well-made films that are shameless propaganda - the Russian master Eisenstein's Battleship Potemkin (Leninism's manifest destiny) and Alexander Nevsky (playing up historical hatred of the Germans). The idea here is not too much different. While the ideologies espoused in the films are certainly not ones we would advocate, the significance of the films lies in how they were made and how that influenced filmmakers to come.


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We donm't refuse to read Aristotle because he advocated slavery. Nor do we need to be a neo-Nazi in order to want to read Mein Kampf.


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