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The bodies of two U.S. soldiers found in Iraq Monday night were mutilated and booby-trapped, military sources said Tuesday.

Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker went missing after a Friday attack on a traffic control checkpoint in Yusufiya, 12 miles (20 km) south of Baghdad.

The sources said the two men had suffered severe trauma.

The bodies also had been desecrated, and a visual identification was impossible -- part of the reason DNA testing was being conducted to verify their identities, the sources said.

A tip from Iraqi civilians led officials to the bodies, military sources told CNN. The discovery was made about 7:30 p.m. Monday.

Not only were the bodies booby-trapped, but homemade bombs also lined the road leading to the victims, an apparent effort to complicate recovery efforts and target recovery teams, the sources said.
It took troops 12 hours to clear the area of roadside bombs. One of the bombs exploded, but there were no injuries.

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the G-man said:
Will all the liberals out there equivalating how Americans treat captured terrorists with how terrorists treat those unlucky souls they capture, please take the time to remind me when that last time was American soldiers did anything like this:

The bodies of two U.S. soldiers found in Iraq Monday night were mutilated and booby-trapped, military sources said Tuesday.

Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker went missing after a Friday attack on a traffic control checkpoint in Yusufiya, 12 miles (20 km) south of Baghdad.

The sources said the two men had suffered severe trauma.

The bodies also had been desecrated, and a visual identification was impossible -- part of the reason DNA testing was being conducted to verify their identities, the sources said.

A tip from Iraqi civilians led officials to the bodies, military sources told CNN. The discovery was made about 7:30 p.m. Monday.

Not only were the bodies booby-trapped, but homemade bombs also lined the road leading to the victims, an apparent effort to complicate recovery efforts and target recovery teams, the sources said.
It took troops 12 hours to clear the area of roadside bombs. One of the bombs exploded, but there were no injuries.

The terrorists captured two of our men, and what steps did they take?

The did not take them to a tropical island where captives are so well fed that almost all gain weight. Nor were they forced to put womens underwear on their heads, and they did not have fake blood thrown at them, or pull other fraternity/reality TV-grade tricks.

But I don’t hear liberals complaining about the actions of the terrorists, and how uncomfortable it must be for those captured by terrorists to be mauled with a power drill, or scorched with acetylene torches, or castrated, or beheaded, or hung, dangling from meat hooks while still alive, or raped with found objects.

No, the left can bear to shed no real, heart-felt words of sympathy, and they drop crocodile tears as they quickly use this occasion to bash both the Adminstration and the troops.

If we treat terrorists like anything other than privileged dinner guests it is torture by their sophomoric definition, and it’s the President’s fault. If terrorists, in turn, perform unspeakable acts of barbarity on our soldiers, it’s still the President’s fault.

Nothing is ever the fault of the terrorists, and the United States is never, ever in the right.

Oh, but I forgot: They "Support the Troops."

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r3x29yz4a said:

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the G-man said:
Will all the liberals out there equivalating how Americans treat captured terrorists with how terrorists treat those unlucky souls they capture, please take the time to remind me when that last time was American soldiers did anything like this:

The bodies of two U.S. soldiers found in Iraq Monday night were mutilated and booby-trapped, military sources said Tuesday.

Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker went missing after a Friday attack on a traffic control checkpoint in Yusufiya, 12 miles (20 km) south of Baghdad.

The sources said the two men had suffered severe trauma.

The bodies also had been desecrated, and a visual identification was impossible -- part of the reason DNA testing was being conducted to verify their identities, the sources said.

A tip from Iraqi civilians led officials to the bodies, military sources told CNN. The discovery was made about 7:30 p.m. Monday.

Not only were the bodies booby-trapped, but homemade bombs also lined the road leading to the victims, an apparent effort to complicate recovery efforts and target recovery teams, the sources said.
It took troops 12 hours to clear the area of roadside bombs. One of the bombs exploded, but there were no injuries.

The terrorists captured two of our men, and what steps did they take?

The did not take them to a tropical island where captives are so well fed that almost all gain weight. Nor were they forced to put womens underwear on their heads, and they did not have fake blood thrown at them, or pull other fraternity/reality TV-grade tricks.

But I don’t hear liberals complaining about the actions of the terrorists, and how uncomfortable it must be for those captured by terrorists to be mauled with a power drill, or scorched with acetylene torches, or castrated, or beheaded, or hung, dangling from meat hooks while still alive, or raped with found objects.

No, the left can bear to shed no real, heart-felt words of sympathy, and they drop crocodile tears as they quickly use this occasion to bash both the Adminstration and the troops.

If we treat terrorists like anything other than privileged dinner guests it is torture by their sophomoric definition, and it’s the President’s fault. If terrorists, in turn, perform unspeakable acts of barbarity on our soldiers, it’s still the President’s fault.

Nothing is ever the fault of the terrorists, and the United States is never, ever in the right.

Oh, but I forgot: They "Support the Troops."

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you can't counter terrible acts with other terrible (but lesser acts). When we sacrifice principles for victory then the battle is lost.

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the G-man said:
You guys are proving my point. You are saying that what we did is just as bad as torturing, mutilating, beheading and booby trapping bodies.

It's not.

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When the enemy does something barbaric, they are lauded as heroes.

That's a big difference.

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the G-man said:
I think you metaphor fails. We are not there as vandals but as, for lack of better term, police officers.

Sure, we read about cases where the police do things that are wrong or illegal. But we don't use those acts to argue we should disband the police, or stop enforcing laws. Nor do we try to claim that those illegal police actions are causing crime.

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the G-man said:
While you were in there did you remember to bring us our sodas?

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r3x29yz4a said:
you know g-man this is why non of the other mods like you. yeah, i read the threads on the secret mod forum. try not being such a dick about things. to put it in terms you'd understand:
you're double parking your argument, and trying to block me in. well i won't pay more money to the meter of foolishness.
i'm writing you a citizen's ticket. requiring that you complete at least 200 posts of honesty or pay a 350 honest dollar fine.

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Beardguy57 said:
G Man, what I am saying is that you cannot become like your enemies. To some degree, we have, and there ARE US soldiers in Iraq now who have done terible things to the people there..it's documented in the news.

My point is to NOT become like the enemy..because then, you become the enemy, yourself.

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Pariah said:

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Beardguy57 said:
G Man, what I am saying is that you cannot become like your enemies. To some degree, we have, and there ARE US soldiers in Iraq now who have done terible things to the people there..it's documented in the news.

My point is to NOT become like the enemy..because then, you become the enemy, yourself.

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You make it sound like America is some sort of shining bastion of righteousness when it is most certainly not (and even if we did torture, I still don't see how we couldn't be righteous at the same time). Maybe to our citizens, but why to our enemies? We're just like any other country in this world trying to survive. Do you really think we can do that by preaching moral failings of a system that works? Do you enjoy being taken advantage of? Do you enjoy standing idly by why our soldiers get tortured beyond belief?

Outlawing torture is not going to keep other people from torturing. There's a little something called "deterrence". Look it up. I'd rather be feared than put on a meat-hook.

Furthermore, by what logic do you denounce torture? What's your reasoning for being against it towards enemy combatants?

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And when we find out that one of our soldiers has done something wrong we investigate, prosecute and punish them to say, in fact, that we aren't like that.

When the enemy does something barbaric, they are lauded as heroes.

That's a big difference.

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magicjay38 said:

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the G-man said:
And when we find out that one of our soldiers has done something wrong we investigate, prosecute and punish them to say, in fact, that we aren't like that.

When the enemy does something barbaric, they are lauded as heroes.

That's a big difference.

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I haven't heard anyone here laud the insurgents soldiers responsible for these deaths. Maybe you can point it out for me? Ray didn't. Beardguy didn't. I didn't.

I'm terribly sorry these to boys lost their lives in this manner and for the dubious policies of the administration. But it's war and what goes around comes around.

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