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The league of nations proved to be worthless, like I said nobody was willing to put their government at stake by declaring war over claims by the LoN. The LoN wasn't taken as seriously as the UN is today. The allies wouldn't occupy Germany for reasons that would be seen unjust by the world, their own people and the Germans themself. It has nothing to do with sissying out.

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 Originally Posted By: Juche
Besides that this is totally and completely uncomparable to the current situation with the US, I'm waiting for Iggy's (or whoever thinks they know better) counter argument.


Of course it's completely different.


"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

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 Originally Posted By: Juche
The league of nations proved to be worthless, like I said nobody was willing to put their government at stake by declaring war over claims by the LoN. The LoN wasn't taken as seriously as the UN is today.


Yes, it seems Iraq(under Saddam), Iran, Sudan, and North Korea are taking the UN very seriously.


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Easy. The reoccupation of the Rhineland by Hitler in violation of the Versailles treaty. Try again.


That wasn't enough reason for war. They didn't really want to go to war because they were simply not prepared and it wasn't seen as a huge threat, so they gave Germany the benefit ot the doubt. Their allies France had a strong military on paper, but in reality were very war weary and avoiding a military conflict with Germany at all cost so Britain would've been alone.


You're making our point for us. Letting your enemy know that you will avoid military conflict at all cost takes away your leverage. Just as they are doinf today. That is why Iran, North Korea and Chavez have ramped up more than their rhetoric.


Look youre a liberal tool, we accept that, but from now on quit making arguments that support our stance it makes this less fun.

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Juche, you are missing the point. It would've been an entirely different situation had the allies been proactive in confronting Hitler when he was breaking all the treaty provisions. He didn't have the military capabilities that he had by the time '39 rolled around. They could've just marched in from France. Put Hitler in his place. And, roll out. Pretty much, they just should have listened to Churchill.

Instead, they took the Obama route and believed they could dialogue with Hitler. They made concessions that made them look weaker each time the capitulated to one of Hitler's demands. And, with each capitulation, Hitler got bolder and his war machine got larger & better equipped.

It wasn't that they couldn't. It was a simply that they were afraid to. Sure, they didn't want another WWI. But, because of their inaction, they got something worse. Hell, even if they had marched on Germany in September of '39 then they probably could have taken Hitler then since most of his forces were focused on Poland. Instead, they waited for over a year for Hitler to attack them in the so-called Phony War.

I'm not for just taking the proactive solution everytime. But, when it comes to down to the likes of people like Il getting The Bomb, there is no time for talking. There cannot be concessions made. There can only be the elimination of the threat.

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1. Yes it's totally and completely different. You're talking the typical propaganda shit fox news made you believe now.

2. Yes, so that adds to my point that the LoN was taken even less serious, imagine that.

3. Eh, you still can't possibly compare Iran, North Korea and Venezuela to Nazi Germany. My point remains, Germany had done nothing yet to justify a war against them before 1938.

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3. Eh, you still can't possibly compare Iran, North Korea and Venezuela to Nazi Germany. My point remains, Germany had done nothing yet to justify a war against them before 1938.


see your making my point again. as you just said you cant compare Iran, and North Korea to Nazi germany. why? because they havent obliterated their neighbors yet. guess what until Germany did, they hadn't yet either.

after the fact its too late, millions are dead

how can you be so dense?.

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 Originally Posted By: Juche
1. Yes it's totally and completely different. You're talking the typical propaganda shit fox news made you believe now.



im pretty sure when i was learning history in high school there wasnt a FOX News.

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 Originally Posted By: iggy
Juche, you are missing the point. It would've been an entirely different situation had the allies been proactive in confronting Hitler when he was breaking all the treaty provisions. He didn't have the military capabilities that he had by the time '39 rolled around. They could've just marched in from France. Put Hitler in his place. And, roll out. Pretty much, they just should have listened to Churchill.

Instead, they took the Obama route and believed they could dialogue with Hitler. They made concessions that made them look weaker each time the capitulated to one of Hitler's demands. And, with each capitulation, Hitler got bolder and his war machine got larger & better equipped.

It wasn't that they couldn't. It was a simply that they were afraid to. Sure, they didn't want another WWI. But, because of their inaction, they got something worse. Hell, even if they had marched on Germany in September of '39 then they probably could have taken Hitler then since most of his forces were focused on Poland. Instead, they waited for over a year for Hitler to attack them in the so-called Phony War.

I'm not for just taking the proactive solution everytime. But, when it comes to down to the likes of people like Il getting The Bomb, there is no time for talking. There cannot be concessions made. There can only be the elimination of the threat.


You mean with or without France as an ally? Because the British infantry divisions really wouldn't stand a chance against Germany in 1936. And French weren't going to join them.

They did however honor their independence guaranteement of Poland when Germany invaded it in 1939. And they did attack Saarland then, with quite a numerical advance. However they didn't get very far and retreated again in their heavily defended maginot line, thinking they'd stop Germany without many problems if they were going to attack. However nobody knew of German's new blitzkrieg tactics yet, being able to attack from the weaker defended Belgian border and occupying Paris before they even realised it.

But what you're suggesting, is that we should be as afraid of Iran/North Korea now, as were were of Germany. But you can't compare these, the world is much more unified now, nothing like the devided world in the 30's.

The only reason Il has that bomb, is to make a fist against the overwhelming opposition they're facing in the world. They're not going to commit suicide by using it, they don't have any allies. Germany could get help from Italy, Japan and possibly even Brazil, Spain and the USSR if they wanted.

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you really are a stupid fucknut. you didnt read the article last week about Iran sending experts to Korea, or Chavez supplying uranium top Iran?


liberals are so dumb.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
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3. Eh, you still can't possibly compare Iran, North Korea and Venezuela to Nazi Germany. My point remains, Germany had done nothing yet to justify a war against them before 1938.


see your making my point again. as you just said you cant compare Iran, and North Korea to Nazi germany. why? because they havent obliterated their neighbors yet. guess what until Germany did, they hadn't yet either.

after the fact its too late, millions are dead

how can you be so dense?.


What can Iran do? They have no a-bomb. Israël alone could take them on. Of course that would lead into more conflicts with possesed territories keeping them busy for the next 100 years so it's not in either country's interest to attack each other.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
you really are a stupid fucknut. you didnt read the article last week about Iran sending experts to Korea, or Chavez supplying uranium top Iran?


liberals are so dumb.




No, obviously I didn't read the FoxNews site.

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 Originally Posted By: Juche
 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
you really are a stupid fucknut. you didnt read the article last week about Iran sending experts to Korea, or Chavez supplying uranium top Iran?


liberals are so dumb.




No, obviously I didn't read the FoxNews site.


its easy to be close minded when you chalk every news story in the world to FOX, it was everywhere.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
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you really are a stupid fucknut. you didnt read the article last week about Iran sending experts to Korea, or Chavez supplying uranium top Iran?


liberals are so dumb.




No, obviously I didn't read the FoxNews site.


its easy to be close minded when you chalk every news story in the world to FOX, it was everywhere.


I must have completely missed it then. It's a typical story that FoxNews would blow up with their fearmongering. I wonder how they could discover such a thing though.

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are you sure your username wasnt supposed to be Douche?

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Please leave this thread if you're only coming up with this kind of shit. How old are you? 8?

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just one of a million examples that passed by while your head was in the sand:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gaKLKWeiS0G-fs2dlJmCZCEwZUqwD98GEGFO0

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A look at North Korea's missile arsenal:

_ ADVANCED TAEPODONG-2: Under development. Potential range of about 5,000 miles (8,000 kilometers), putting the U.S. west coast, Hawaii, Australia and eastern Europe within striking distance. North Korea says this, and all Taepdong missiles, are launch vehicles for satellites, though satellite and missile technologies are considered interchangeable.

_ TAEPODONG-2: Three-stage rocket with potential range of more than 4,100 miles (6,700 kilometers), putting Alaska within striking distance. First two stages are liquid-fueled, while the third is believed to be solid-fueled. Similar to Iran's Safir-Omid space launch vehicle, the rocket suggests extensive cooperation between the two nations. U.S. and South Korean officials say the North launched a Taepodong-2 rocket in April but it landed in the ocean. South Korean officials said the rocket's second stage splashed down about 1,900 miles (3,100 kilometers) from its launch pad. That is far better than a 2006 launch of a missile that fizzled 42 seconds after liftoff.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124347081988160711.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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WASHINGTON -- Signs of growth in North Korea's nuclear program and the country's increasing isolation are renewing fears about Pyongyang's ability and need to smuggle weapons of mass destruction around the world, said U.S. and United Nations officials.

North Korea's arms trade has focused on Iran and Syria, countries Washington views as state sponsors of terrorism, as well as Libya.

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theres a billion more but i cant hold your hand on the internet.

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Just rumours. But even if it were to be true, what do you want the USA to do with this?

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Could you just stick with arguments please.

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Please try to defend yourself in this debate.

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There's no debate, you defended my points already. You made my case. Youre just too dumb to realize it.

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 Originally Posted By: Juche
Please try to defend yourself in this debate.


You are the one who seems to be having a hard time defending your position in this debate. Nothing you've said about Pre-WWII Germany and world politics helps your position. Instead, you've proved what everyone else was saying about the rest of the world being too scared to act and allowing Hitler to become a global threat. The fact is that the Allies had plenty of chances to stop Hitler before his military power grew and didn't. His simple act of building up his military forces was a direct violation of the treaty and enough of a reason to stop him. Now, we may not have to worry about fighting an armed forces like Hitler's with Korea or Iran, but we have to worry about countries with nuclear capabilities launching warheads on rockets or even possibly using suitcase bombs in cities.


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It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Please try to defend yourself in this debate.


You are the one who seems to be having a hard time defending your position in this debate. Nothing you've said about Pre-WWII Germany and world politics helps your position. Instead, you've proved what everyone else was saying about the rest of the world being too scared to act and allowing Hitler to become a global threat. The fact is that the Allies had plenty of chances to stop Hitler before his military power grew and didn't. His simple act of building up his military forces was a direct violation of the treaty and enough of a reason to stop him. Now, we may not have to worry about fighting an armed forces like Hitler's with Korea or Iran, but we have to worry about countries with nuclear capabilities launching warheads on rockets or even possibly using suitcase bombs in cities.



FOXNEWSNAZI!!!!!!!

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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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7 minutes, thats a cant have an original thought record!

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 Originally Posted By: thedoctor
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Please try to defend yourself in this debate.


You are the one who seems to be having a hard time defending your position in this debate. Nothing you've said about Pre-WWII Germany and world politics helps your position. Instead, you've proved what everyone else was saying about the rest of the world being too scared to act and allowing Hitler to become a global threat. The fact is that the Allies had plenty of chances to stop Hitler before his military power grew and didn't. His simple act of building up his military forces was a direct violation of the treaty and enough of a reason to stop him. Now, we may not have to worry about fighting an armed forces like Hitler's with Korea or Iran, but we have to worry about countries with nuclear capabilities launching warheads on rockets or even possibly using suitcase bombs in cities.


In 1936 there was no reason, they weren't scared. Treaties are often violated more or less, they didn't see it as a problem then. A war was not justified by then. In 1938 it could have been started but it wouldn't necesarily turn out well for the allies, so they didn't.

What's going on now is a sideshow on global level, it's in nobody's interest to start a war.

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sometime in the not too distant future juche will have a captive audience for his 'it wasn't in anyone's interest to start a war!' speech - they'll all be sealed in a fallout shelter somewhere...


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 Originally Posted By: Juche
In 1936 there was no reason, they weren't scared.


exactly! this is what you said about NKorea, and Iran. there is no reason. same as then people said there was no reason and ten years later there were millions of dead.

youve proved my point again.


this is too easy.

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Hahaha, so that is the only connection between now and then? There have been hundreds of occasions where war might have been broken out, but didn't, and everyone lived in peace again. I'm not alone on this either, I am convinced that the USA is more likely to invade Canada, than North Korea.

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see. it's easy.

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So you admit you're wrong?

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Hahaha, so that is the only connection between now and then? There have been hundreds of occasions where war might have been broken out, but didn't, and everyone lived in peace again. I'm not alone on this either, I am convinced that the USA is more likely to invade Canada, than North Korea.




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