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From Senator Ted Cruz on the Senate floor, a sample of what you'll never see in mainstream media coverage of the shutdown.




This is all because Sen. Chuck Schumer is virtue-signalling for the Uber-Left Democrat Bolsheviks, because he is inevitably going to be primaried by Alexandra Ocasio-Perez.

Schumer will be replaced anyway, so he is causing a lot of pointless pain for millions of people, for nothing.
Just because he can. The Democrat-Bolshevik way.

The oher two Democrat Senators who prevented this kind of jump off the deep end in years past (Kirstyn Sinema, and Joe Manchin) were pressured out by the Democrat-Left.
So now there's no one left in the DNC but the hard-Left crazies. No one left to sop them from running wild. A least till the next election.

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I wouldn’t pin your hopes on the next election WB unless your party tries to void the results. Your party and its leader are just rotten.


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Senate Democrats cave, open path to reopening government
Several Senate Democrats crossed the aisle despite getting no guaranteed deal on Obamacare subsidies


  • by Alex Miller ,and Leo Briceno, Fox News, November 9, 2025

    The Senate took a massive step forward on its way to reopening the government on Sunday, with a group of Senate Democrats caving and joining Republicans in their bid to pass a revamped plan to end the shutdown.

    Signs that the shutdown, which entered its 40th day, could be ending became more and more clear as the day went on, particularly with the unveiling of a bipartisan package of spending bills that lawmakers hope to attach to a modified bill to reopen the government.

    Eight Senate Democrats crossed the aisle to mark the first step in the GOP’s quest to end the shutdown. Many of the lawmakers that splintered from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., were among those engaged in bipartisan talks over the last several weeks.

    Among the defectors were Sens. Angus King, I-Maine, John Fetterman, D-Pa., Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., Maggie Hassan, D-N.H., Jacky Rosen, D-Nev., Tim Kaine, D-Va., and the number two Democrat in the Senate, Dick Durbin, D-Ill.


    "The question was, does the shutdown further the goal of achieving some needed support for the extension of the tax credits? Our judgment was that it will not," King said. "It would not produce that result. And the evidence for that is almost seven weeks of fruitless attempts to make that happen."

    Schumer and Senate Democrats long stayed the course that they would only vote to reopen the government in exchange for a solid deal on extending expiring Obamacare subsidies.

    But the solution developed over the last several days included nothing of the sort. While there were some wins in the updated continuing resolution (CR), like reversals of some of the firings of furloughed workers undertaken by the Trump administration and guaranteeing back pay for furloughed workers, there was no guaranteed victory in sight on the Obamacare issue.

    That means that Senate Democrats effectively caved with little to show for their healthcare push, save for the guarantee of a vote on the subsidies from Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., which was reflected in the updated CR.




But the lunatic fringe, which is to say the Democrat majority, was perfectly content to continue the shut-down through Thanksgiving and further into the Christmas season, crippling the commercial airlines, and businesses, and federal employees, and ALL U.S. CITIZENS through the busiest and most festive and economically important time of the year.
Which is to say, political suicide for the Democrat-Bolshevik party, wih no plan or exit strategy.
And 8 Democrat Senators finally came to that realization.


Further, Obamacare has been a failure since it began, and has required multiple federal bailouts since it began (much like the U.S. Postal Service does on a regular basis).
It has increased medical costs, and decreased the availability of healhcare. It WAS DESIGNED from its creation to collapse, and force the destruction of the private healthcare system, and to force a Federal promised o lower costs, but in truth was secretly planned by Democrats to do exactly what it has done, to damage privae healthcare and make it unaffordable, to require a federal takeover of the healthcare system, to create another public-sector way for he Democrat-Bolshevik party to control all our lives, on the path to a Democrat-controlled one-party authoritarian government. It was designed to initially collapse in 2017, after which a planned Hillary Clinton presidency would implement federal takeover of the healtthcare system, that Democrats deliberately designed and orchestrated to fail toward that end.

But when Trump was elected in Nov 2016, that plan failed, and private healthcare was saved.

So... all this chaos with the current shutdown, in a desperate bid by Democrat-Bolsheviks to save the last evil piece of Obama's legacy, that doesn't deserve to be saved. Born as a deceittful Democrat Trojan Horse, maintained through several bailouts during years of Democrat control, and Democrat-extorted bailouts even during Republican years in control, despite its clear ongoing failure.
And now one last bid of deceit by Democrats in this latest destructive shutdown, to keep Obamacare barely going one last time. It was designed from its inception to collapse and fail, it doesn't deserve to be further subsidized, it deserves to die. Let it die. It will anyway, no matter how many federal bailouts are issued to keep it barely limping along.

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You make many hyper partisan accusations as usual. Obamacare has greatly expanded healthcare for our country. And healthcare has always gone up in cost like everything else has. To me the flaw is it doesn’t get rid of insurance companies. We pay extra for middlemen that offer zero value to our healthcare. Republicans now have all the cards. They made tax breaks for the very wealthy a priority but healthcare? They’ve never offered anything that was better. I don’t see them doing it now when they have the power to do so. It’s going to be a problem in the midterms as people are facing skyrocketing costs for their healthcare. And everyone will remember Trump using the shut down to make things even more painful. For democrats it’s true you have a lot of people angry that they backed down but I think you show why it going on would have been worse if they had kept it going into the holidays. Holding your own people hostage was never going to work with a president that doesn’t care or even relishes the harm it does. As it is now voters in red states are paying more for healthcare along with groceries and everything else and the democrats are going to win big.


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Obamacare has doubled the cost of healhcare for citizens.

And it has driven doctors out of family practice, and cut in half the number of doctors in private practice, and driven them to close heir offices and work for HMO's. All of which has skyrocketed the cost of medical care in he U.S.
It has also driven countless doctors to just retire from medical care, creating an even greater shortage of doctors.
For decades, I could call and see a doctor the same day I called, now doctors are in such short supply, I have to wait several days or a week to see one. And there are less qualified "physician's assistants" (nurses with a master's degree, less qualified, who can write prescriptions) and that is still not enough to fill the void of available doctors.

The only ones reaping enormous profits from heallhcare are the large medical insurance providers. And there are over 330,000 cases found where HMO's were taking payments directly from he federal government, for people who received no medical treatment, and didn't even know they were signed up for Obamacare (i.e., insurance fraud). And those are only the ones we know of, under a a Trump administraiton that for the first time since 2011 even CARES about this kind of fraud. Which means the fake payments for people not actually insured likely goes into the millions, once it will be fully investigated.

I PERSONALLY walked away from Obamacare, because I generally spend less than 2,000 a year on medical care, and yet my deductible would have been $6,000 a year. Which means I would have paid 6,000 a year for Obamacare, and yet would still pay up to 2,000 a years on acttual medical bills, and without any possible re-imbursement I'd actually be spending $8,000 a year insead of $ 2,000.

In Trump's first term, he was not able to fully abolish the Obamacare scam, but he DID eliminate the mandate tha forced ciizens o buy it.
Obamacare is like the U S Postal Service, it requires constant bailouts in the hundreds of billions. It doesn' work, it is costly a waste and a scam.

What part of hat sounds like a better healthcare system to you?

Sorry to confuse you with these FACTS.

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So Trump and friends basically sabotaged the system by letting people not have coverage. A smaller pool with more sicker people in it makes premiums more expensive. Democrats were trying to get as many people coverage and access to healthcare as possible. Republicans have never put together anything that looks appealing. Nothing that would get more people cheaper healthcare. With the republican party holding all the cards we’re winding up with more expensive healthcare with less people covered. Obamacare was a compromise to get more people access to healthcare instead of universal healthcare. Maybe after republicans destroy what we have, democrats will finally do universal healthcare. Insurance companies offer no value to the system, just added costs.


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