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So how is it that Musk can shut down services in Ukraine to aid Russia without Trump being ok with it? Need I say what happened was pure evil and the ones behind it besides Musk need to be tried and punished.


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Musk authorized Starlink to be used for civilian purposes. Ukraine/Zelenskyy broke that agreement and used it for military purposes.
Musk is not aiding Russia, he is enforcing the conditions he made in advance with Ukraine, when giving them his technology. Musk does not want to be part of the war, only to help the civilian people stuck in it.

I think Putin is an evil guy, who has caused mass destruction and civilian slaughter. And also caused the pointless death and maiming of hundreds of thousands of his own soldiers and civilians, in a pointless war. As I've said before, even if Putin were able (in the period he had the advantage) to conquer Ukraine, he would face years or decades of resistance at enormous cost, until eventually forced to give it up and withdraw.

And I don't think Ukraine should be forced to give up one acre of territory in negotiation with Russia. Ukraine now has the advantage, and is for the first time exacting a huge toll on the Russian military, and on the Russian economy. Possibly causing the collapse of Russia, or a least of the Putin regime.

I'd like to see a post-Putin regime that allies with Europe and the U.S., and Russia would benefit greatly from that economically. And Russia could pivot to an alliance with the West against China. This war is just an awful drain of lives and resources, that will inevitably be abandoned by Russia.

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Looking at what Musk has said vs the Trump administration on the slow down in Ukraine, both sides seem to be claiming not to be responsible for the decision. Musk has said that Trump is ultimately responsible for those types of slow downs, the WSJ is reporting that it was more a Musk decision. Neither is taking the blame. This intentional slow down did aid Russia in its war on Ukraine. As did Trump’s decision to buy Russian oil. I find it hard to believe our government would let Musk do something like that unless they okayed it. I think Musk either got permission or was even asked by Trump to basically aid Russia in this way.

If it was somehow just Musk and the us government really has no control over that type of power, that needs to change! It’s pretty dangerous to let one unelected person have that much power. I really don’t think that’s the case here though. Sadly I think Trump gave Musk the ok. Ukraine has been hitting Russian data centers and energy. This resulted in an at least a temporary drop in Russian bot activity and higher fuel prices. Trump would see those as threats to republicans with the midterms.


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Less han 24 hours afer my last post, Elon Musk opted o restore Sarlink and other tech services to Ukraine.

Ukraine's Starlink restored as Elon Musk claims Kyiv violated terms of service 'to kill people'
SpaceX CEO says company has done more to defend Ukraine than any private firm 'by far'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uk...-kyiv-violated-terms-service-kill-people



So that undermines your talking points. Despite that Ukraine violated the terms he conditioned Starlink service to Ukraine on, it appears Musk is more concerned about saving lives than about Ukraine keeping their terms.

You know who serves Russia, M E M?
Your Democrat propaganda machine.

And by the way, as I've cited before, U S aid to Ukraine far eclipses aid from all the nations of the E U combined.
What the EU purchases in Russian oil, is on the net far more than they give in aid to Ukraine.
So on the net, the E U nations are actually supporting Russian genocide, rather than Ukraine.

So aid to Ukraine really amounts to... Trump.
And Musk.


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