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i know we've talked about this once before, but...
in the superman/thor thread, thor's hammer's inscription was mentioned (about whoever is worthy enough could lift the hammer).
who in comics would adhere to that statement?
could batman lift it? martian manhunter?
what are the qualifications the hammer sees as worthiness?
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Well,only a very few have lifted Thor's hammer.
Beta Ray Bill
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I suppose worthy qualities would really fall under "Thor-like " qualities.Honor,loyalty,warrior-born,medeival speech maybe.I'm not sure what the exact qualifications were for someont ot heft the hammer.
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I seem to recall that a villian was also able to lift it. I'm not a big Thor fan but, I remeber seeing that somewhere.
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i agree with your definition, allan
i think that someone like superman, tho certainly worthy enuf for damn near anything to us, would more than likely not make the grade in the eyes of a norse warrior.
wonder woman, however, would be perfect for that.
possibly batman or aquaman, as well.
orion? i dunno.
captain marvel is a good pick, tho. when he picked up the hammer, did his suit get all thor-ish, like wondie's did during the crossover?
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Seems that I remember Wonder Woman picking it up,or am I nuts? I'd say Superman would for certain qualify.
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Yeah, Wonder Woman already picked it up, in the "DC vs. Marvel" crossover.
Surely Superman would be worthy. Batman "might" be able to lift it, but I doubt he'd ever try.
I can see Steel lifting it, perhaps Barry Allen as well.
That's about it, really.
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Yes, WW lifted it in the Amalgram thing.
Loki had the dwarves make Storm a Thor hammer in the Asgard Wars arc in X-men / New Mutants from the 80s, and she was able to wield it.
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Forgot about Wonder Woman,the 90's were such a blur.Yeah Storm wielded a similar Uru hammer but it was made for her,so whether she would lift Thor's hammer or not is uncertain but I would probally say yes since she has or had the qualities.Again,I'm not sure Superman would be able to lift it.Sure he's good & all to a fault but even Balder the Brave(the Asgardian who most resembles Superman's characteristics)can't lift Thor's hammer,nor can any other Asgardian save Odin & Tiwaz(Thor's Granddaddy).Like I said...the "worthiness" falls under who is most like Thor.
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I suppose you might have a point there. Mark Waid adressed one of Superman's primary weaknesses in Kingdom Come, his inability to rationalize the use of extreme violence, to sacrifice, to compromise, under any circumstance. Wonder Woman, a warrior, is more than willing to do whatever it takes in battle, and I would bet Thor shares that trait.
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yeeup!
which is also why i'd more readily accept batman lifting it, than superman.
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Eh, maybe, but in that regard Batman is a lot like Superman. He does everything he can to save absolutely every life, no matter who it is. He's not someone that buys into the "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" philosophy.
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The only Hammer Batman could lift, is MC Hammer!
I think Superman and MM could!
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I'd personally love to see Roarshach (Watchmen) toting Thor's hammer. It'd never happen, but would be so friggin' sweet!
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He still would have been nailed by Manhattan.
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The only Hammer Batman could lift, is MC Hammer!
but he cant touch this
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Batman could definitely lift it.
I heard Aquaman mentioned. He couldn't do it I'm guessin'. He cares more for a certian group of individuals more than he does others. JLA was just more like a job to him than a 'reach out and touch your fellow bi-ped program'.
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That's PAD's Aquaman... he's back to his old underwater Superman self now.
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Hard to say. Perhaps he could be considered noble, but in comparison others are way more noble. He goes out of his way to slaughter bad guys whereas others make it their duty to kill no one. At least I think. I'm not exactly sure how Marvel philosophy works. On that note, I don't think Frank Castle could lift it.
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No way Bats could lift it.
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Why not Spider-Man? He's noble, and he's no stranger to sacrifice, and when the chips are down, he doesn't quit (I'm specifically thinking of that one story from the 60's or 70's where this building collapses and he's holding it up for people to get clear, all the while having this nifty little inner monologue.)
Others? Captain Marvel (the REAL one), Barry Allen, maybe one or two more.
Superman? No. He did lift it during Avengers/ JLA, but Thor said that was Odin bending the rules a tad.
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all the while having this nifty little inner monologue.)
Nifty?
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Snarf can't lift it. A god of thunder does not say "nifty".
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What's wrong with nifty? I ask you.
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Verily, Snarf, if thee would be stormbringer, thee may not speaketh the word "nift" as a verb and be the wielder of Mjonir.
And Peter Paker does not have warrior in him. But I think Wolverine is a prime candidate - the samurai ethic does it for him. Same probably goes for Daredevil.
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no chance for spidey. not if he's written properly. he's the complete opposite of "warrior." i still maintain the stance that superman is also un worthy in this regard. i don't see muchuva chance for daredevil, either.
wolverine is interesting, and would probably fit. he has viking-like rage, and at least in some tellings, a militant background to add to his warrior persona. i don't know if he's the type of character, though, that the god's would favor, however.
wonder woman is a guarantee. as is captain america (which has already happened, correct?). i'd say batman would rank high enough, as well.
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no chance for spidey. not if he's written properly. he's the complete opposite of "warrior." i still maintain the stance that superman is also un worthy in this regard. i don't see muchuva chance for daredevil, either.
wolverine is interesting, and would probably fit. he has viking-like rage, and at least in some tellings, a militant background to add to his warrior persona. i don't know if he's the type of character, though, that the god's would favor, however.
wonder woman is a guarantee. as is captain america (which has already happened, correct?). i'd say batman would rank high enough, as well.
i would say batman is just as bad or good a candidate as superman. their "warriorness" is about equal, as i see it. heroes? yes. warriors? questionable.
i also don't think daredevil, spidey, or wolverine have a chance. they are all too human and hold too many faults in character to weild the hammer of gods.
i'd like to say the real captain marvel is worthy. he does, after all, hold the power of gods and the wisdom of solomon, but i'd say he's only slightly less iffy as supes and batman.
captain america is a much more likely candidate, and if you're all right, this fact has already been "proven". though he's often compared to batman, i believe he has experiences as a soldier that would make the difference. he's fought in a number of wars. he has killed and would do so again when batman would not. that makes him a warrior.
same for wonder woman. moreso for wonder woman.
i don't know enough about aquaman to agree or disagree. has he ever done anything warrior-like?
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That Angel bloke who was a member of the JLA could probably have lifted it,cant remember his name right now.
I'd also say that pre-Emerald Dawn Hal could have lifted it,back in the day when he was fearless not neurotic!
Connor Hawke would also be a fairly good candidate.
Thanagarian Hawkman might also have a lot of the necessary qualities.
Spidey,Wolvey & Daredevil are all mentally weak,with them either suffering from doubt,breakdowns or animalistic behaviour!
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Thinking about it,most Marvel characters have serious character flaws that would exclude them from picking the hammer up,DC has more "perfect" characters!
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What about Carter Hall? He's got that warrior mentality....
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Yes, to both of you. Hawkman is a good pick.
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i would say batman is just as bad or good a candidate as superman. their "warriorness" is about equal, as i see it. heroes? yes. warriors? questionable.
Jeez, how the hell are we defining "warrior"?
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I think Batman would qualify as a warrior general, except that he spends too much time in the shadows to be a warrior hero. In a sense, he's more an avenger than a hero.
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Hurm......The Batman was created to be a monster that stops crime. And when he was prepared enough, he started to fight it because he needed to as per his function. Overtime though, I think his surroundings have gotten to him and he fights for more than that. I mean, I'm sure he's become a hero along the way.
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How would the Asgardian Gods define 'worthy'?
I once started a fic where Frank Castle got his hands on Mjolnir, but abandoned it.
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Thinking about it,most Marvel characters have serious character flaws that would exclude them from picking the hammer up,DC has more "perfect" characters!
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What about Carter Hall? He's got that warrior mentality....
Si. Good pick indeed.
You know who else has the same warrior mentality? Adam Strange, when taken back to basics. He's been written more as the troubled hero lately, however, and I don't see him lifting it.
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i would say batman is just as bad or good a candidate as superman. their "warriorness" is about equal, as i see it. heroes? yes. warriors? questionable.
Jeez, how the hell are we defining "warrior"?
What Dave said.
One of the qualifications to lift the hammer, in my eye, is that the hero must be a leader at heart. At his heart, Batman is a loner, not a leader.
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