seems pretty likely that he'll take the election overall, when all is said and done.
at the very least, im happy that it (at least as of now) seems to be a large margin for a definitive, "unified" win. im hoping that'll make this a good decision.
if he does win, with the house and senate and all the kings horses pointing towards the left, it'll be difficult for him to remain "centered", i'd think, as it would for anyone in that position.
but, here's to hoping for good things in the next few years. if obama can be the next jfk, i'm all for it. better relations externally, better directions internally... whatever it takes. i'm pro a positive change.
Its strange how people remember JFK's Presidency fondly, yet he never really achieved anything of any more significance than most Presidents.
im far from an expert on the subject, but i think history showed he faced more in 3 years than most two-term presidents. but far and above that, his placement in office kick started an iconic shift that led to a prouder nation, as a whole.
i don't know if obama has that same potential, or at least don't believe it as much as others have. but that's the hope and potential he's running towards, and i'd readily support and accept that.
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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921
"If Jesus came back and saw what people are doing in his name, he would never never stop throwing up." - Max von Sydow, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
FOX has now said that Obama will be our next president with the west coast states all going to Obama.
Well, if FOX NEWS said it, it HAS to be true!
Obama, after all, is just a man. Like Jesus.
Old men, fear me! You will shatter under my ruthless apathetic assault!
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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921
"If Jesus came back and saw what people are doing in his name, he would never never stop throwing up." - Max von Sydow, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
Old men, fear me! You will shatter under my ruthless apathetic assault!
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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921
"If Jesus came back and saw what people are doing in his name, he would never never stop throwing up." - Max von Sydow, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
FOX has now said that Obama will be our next president with the west coast states all going to Obama.
Dammit McCain won!
-Promod
And I, for one, welcome our new socialist overlords and would like to remind them that I endorsed Glorious Leader Obama several weeks ago.
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Old men, fear me! You will shatter under my ruthless apathetic assault!
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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921
"If Jesus came back and saw what people are doing in his name, he would never never stop throwing up." - Max von Sydow, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
Its strange how people remember JFK's Presidency fondly, yet he never really achieved anything of any more significance than most Presidents.
im far from an expert on the subject, but i think history showed he faced more in 3 years than most two-term presidents.
more than Bush? more than Franklin D. Roosevelt?
within the ranking system that is impossible to judge? i'd rate it higher than bush, on a par with fdr. you're free to think otherwise, that's a much deeper subject to get into. still, even if you disagree, i think my original point holds.
Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
but far and above that, his placement in office kick started an iconic shift that led to a prouder nation, as a whole.
you think that Vietnam was a proud time in the US internally and externally? you realize he escalated that right?
jfk's involvement and control with vietnam is also a much more involved discussion than just this thread.
i think it's also somewhat irrelevant to that specific point, which was more so meant to be a comparison of elections and shifts, rather than full campaigns and terms.
My new favorite Obama praise song- "It is the will of God"- "The world loves Obama"
Okay, let me think. When was the last time anyone broke out into song about George Bush, with hippy flute-players dancing for joy? Hmmmm. I'm drawing a blank. This particular song has a nice, hypnotic "whirling dirvish" vibe to it, good for enchanting the masses. Obama (may he be praised) is love.
but your whole point about JFK is romanticized fluff, which is fine, but I really hope Obama is much more than JFK, but more like an FDR. If not for the early death JFK would be a footnote.
but I really hope Obama is much more than JFK. {SNIP} like an FDR.
then, in your honor, i shall alter my original statement to something like your tailored quote above.
my whole thinking, be it fdr or jfk or whatever comparison you want to make, is that there is clearly a shift going on here. some are for it, some are against it, that's natural. but its clearly there and its clearly decisively big. sure, maybe now, its just the "hope" type fluff that campaign promises can only deliver, but i am readily jumping on board if he can follow through on bringing the positive changes.
but your whole point about JFK is romanticized fluff, which is fine, but I really hope Obama is much more than JFK, but more like an FDR. If not for the early death JFK would be a footnote.
Actually, JFK cut taxes and built up the military. From a policy standpoint he much more in common with Reagan than he did FDR or, presumably, Glorious Light Obama.
And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack. 2,506,410.81 CAD Rack points
McCain gave a nice concession speach. While I didn't vote for him there really isn't any joy in seeing him lose.
he's a class act. it really was overtly gracious, in the true "country first" notion he wanted to live up to.
The post mortems will be interesting and I fully expect the center-left media to claim that he lost it with Palin. In reality, however, he probably lost it when he tried to be a 'statesman' during the bailout and it failed.
McCain gave a nice concession speach. While I didn't vote for him there really isn't any joy in seeing him lose.
he's a class act. it really was overtly gracious, in the true "country first" notion he wanted to live up to.
The post mortems will be interesting and I fully expect the center-left media to claim that he lost it with Palin. In reality, however, he probably lost it when he tried to be a 'statesman' during the bailout and it failed.
my guess is the key "fail factors" would probably look something like: bush, economy, "new mccain", palin, in that order.
McCain gave a nice concession speach. While I didn't vote for him there really isn't any joy in seeing him lose.
he's a class act. it really was overtly gracious, in the true "country first" notion he wanted to live up to.
The post mortems will be interesting and I fully expect the center-left media to claim that he lost it with Palin. In reality, however, he probably lost it when he tried to be a 'statesman' during the bailout and it failed.
I got to disagree, G-Man. What cost McCain the election was that he couldn't run from the shadow of Bush. He lost it when he said the fundamentals of the economy are strong within hours of banks collapsing. He lost for many reasons. His campaign was terrible for most of the time.
But, more than anything, he lost it when most of the top conservative commentators rallied against him early on and then really only gave him support in such a way that scream 'the only reason we are doing this is because he isn't Barack Obama.' More than anything, I think that is what cost him his campaign.
