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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,452990,00.html
TOKYO — General Motors Corp., a struggling U.S. automaker, will sell its entire stake in Suzuki Motor Corp. for $230 million to raise cash, the Japanese company said Monday.
Suzuki said it would buy back a 3.02 percent stake from the American auto giant, which is seeking a $25 billion government lifeline, together with Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, to weather the deepening economic crisis.
Hit by the worst sales slump in more than 25 years and frozen credit, GM has warned that it might not survive through year's end without the U.S. government's financial support.
Suzuki said GM's stake sale was necessary for the ailing American automaker to raise capital, but the Japanese company insisted it would continue a business partnership with GM.
"We fully understand the necessity for GM to raise cash," Suzuki chairman and chief executive Osamu Suzuki said in a statement. He said he was in close contact with GM chief executive Rick Wagoner, and the two companies would keep joint projects, including the development of hybrid vehicles and a joint venture for sports utility vehicles in Canada.
The GM-Suzuki partnership dates to 1981 but those ties loosened after GM sold a 17 percent stake in Suzuki in 2006, leaving it with 3 percent.
How can Suzuki afford this? Aren't they losing billions because of the recession too? Oh wait, their government doesn't bail them out, so they have to run a tight business.
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I thought the issue was whether the auto industry bailout is good or bad? How come it's been diverted to a discussion about where the money will come from and who came up with the idea? Unless there is a new proposal the money is coming from the original bailout that Bush proposed & passed biparisanly. Since it's been known to sicken people here at the RKMBs I brought it up purely to inform, because I care so far only 300 billion of the 700 billion has been released. The other 400 billion will be released only if necessary and has to be voted on. I think now it is clear that any bailout money was a total waste and has done nothing to hep the average person. The bank bailout money was supposed to be used to buy toxic mortgages and assets and also banks were supposed to use that money to lend to consumers and other banks.......NONE of that has happened. They are using it to buy other banks, pay bonuses, buy bank stock, some are just sitting on it and others are doing things with the money that would sicken you like AIG. NO MORE MONEY FOR BAILOUTS! Let them fail or go bankrupt and reorganize.
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We've already given the Big 3 $25 billion in loans for their fuel efficiency programs. If Obama and the Dems are so concerned with keeping the Big 3 and their unions afloat, maybe they should allow those companies to use that money as a bailout rather than for the fuel efficiency programs. Just a thought.
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Why Bankruptcy Is the Best Option for GM: Chapter 11 would better preserve the valuable parts of the company than an ad hoc bailout.
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The bankruptcy thing seemed to work ok with the airline industry but cars are a little bit different than say purchasing an airline ticket.
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Union reps have already said that they won't consider pay cuts. CEO's have said that they won't change their business strategies. Just giving them money now is throwing good money after bad. Bankruptcy will at least force them to restructure their companies in a way that they have to in order to survive, including renegotiating the union deals that are dragging them down.
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...which is exactly why the Democrat leadership prefers a bailout: as a way to protect their big-labor supporters.
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Report: Obama to Control Half of $700B Bailout: White House reportedly tells Paulson that Bush will leave $350B untouched when he leaves office Jan. 20.
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But he did so well with the first half!
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http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/insurers-seek-buy-lenders-bailout-money/ Four insurance companies on Friday moved to buy lenders in order to gain access to money from the Treasury Department’s $700 billion-plus bailout program, in another sign that the insurance industry may be vulnerable in the financial crisis.
Those four insurers -- Hartford Financial Services Group (HIG), Genworth (GNW), Lincoln National (LNC) and Netherlands-based Transamerica parent Aegon (AEG) -- all worked to get their bids in for government help before the Friday application deadline.
Hartford said it has applied to the Office of Thrift Supervision to become a savings and loan holding company, and has applied to participate in Treasury’s Capital Purchase Program. Hartford said it believes it’s eligible for a capital purchase of between $1.1 billion and $3.4 billion under current Treasury guidelines.
In order to make itself eligible for the CPP, Hartford moved to buy for $10 million the parent company of Sanford, Fla.-based Federal Trust Bank, a federally chartered savings bank insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Hartford said it would provide an additional amount to recapitalize the bank.
Aegon, which already received EUR3 billion in aid from the Netherlands last month, said it wants to buy Suburban Federal Savings Bank of Crofton, Md., according to a report from Bloomberg News.
Genworth intends to buy Inter Savings Bank of Maple Grove, Minn., a spokesman from the Office of Thrift Supervision told Bloomberg. The OTS spokesman added that Lincoln National, which is based in Philadelphia, is seeking to acquire Newton County Loan & Savings of Goodland, Ind.
Hartford isn’t interested in buying Federal Trust Bank unless the purchase will give it access to government bailout money: its statement said that Hartford’s purchase of FTB “is contingent on Treasury's approval of The Hartford's participation in the CPP, approval of the acquisition by the shareholders of Federal Trust Corporation, and the Office of Thrift Supervision's approval of The Hartford's application to become a savings and loan holding company.”
Hartford took pains to present itself as a healthy and viable company that was simply being prudent amid the financial downturn.
"We are taking these actions as a strong and well-capitalized financial institution looking for maximum flexibility and stability," Ramani Ayer, Hartford's chairman and chief executive officer, was quoted as saying in the company’s press release. "Securing capital at the terms available through the Capital Purchase Program could be a prudent course in this market environment and would allow us to further supplement our existing capital resources."
Insurers of all stripes have come in for scrutiny after the near-collapse of American International Group (AIG) and as the financial crisis continues. This is why bailouts are bullshit.
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Sure glad I didn't move to California when I had the chance. I have so much family and friends here that when it completely collapses, which it will, we'll be able to help each other.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081118/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown#full Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke waged a stout defense on Capitol Hill Tuesday of their management of a $700 billion financial bailout just one week after the administration abandoned the original strategy behind the rescue.
Focusing the program on infusing billions into banks — and possibly other types of companies — to pump up their capital and bolster lending to customers was deemed a faster and more effective approach to stabilizing the financial system than buying rotten assets from financial institutions, the centerpiece of the original plan, Paulson said.
Buying those toxic debts would have required a "massive commitment" of the bailout money, Paulson said in testimony before the House Financial Services Committee. As economic and financial conditions quickly worsened, it became clear that the first installment of the money — $350 billion — for that purpose "simply isn't enough firepower," he said.
It's crucial that the administration be nimble in assessing changing conditions and adapt the bailout strategy accordingly, the Treasury chief said. "If we have learned anything throughout this year, we have learned that this financial crisis is unpredictable and difficult to counteract," Paulson said.
Last week, Paulson changed course and said the government would not use any of the $700 billion to buy bad assets from banks. That had been the focus of the plan Paulson and Bernanke originally pitched to lawmakers.
Going forward, the ability of Treasury to use the bailout program for capital injections and to take other steps to stabilize the financial system — including any actions needed to prevent the disorderly failure of a major financial institution — "will be critical for restoring confidence and promoting the return of credit markets to more normal functioning," Bernanke told the panel.
Paulson said the department will focus on rolling out a capital injection program to pour $250 billion into banks in return for partial ownership stakes in them. Treasury on Monday confirmed that it supplied $33.56 billion to 21 banks in a second round of payments. That followed the initial $125 billion allocated to nine of the country's largest banks, and brought the total earmarked payments to $158.56 billion.
Treasury also will search for new ways to boost the availability of auto loans, student loans and credit cards, which have been become harder to get due to the credit crisis.
Specifically, the department along with the Federal Reserve, is exploring using some of the bailout money to bankroll a new loan facility designed to help companies that issue credit cards, make student loans and finance car purchases. Paulson said he expected putting up only a "relatively modest share" of the bailout money for this facility.
Paulson repeated his opposition to using some of the bailout money to provide guarantees for mortgages at risk of falling into foreclosure, another huge source of distress for the economy.
In a break with the administration, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair, also testifying before the panel, pressed anew for using $24 billion of the bailout money to help some American households avoid foreclosure. As foreclosures mount, the government is "clearly falling behind the curve," she said.
So far, the Treasury Department has pledged $250 billion for banks and has agreed to devote $40 billion to troubled insurer American International Group_ its first slice of funds going to a company other than a bank. That leaves just $60 billion available from Congress' first bailout installment of $350 billion.
Paulson said he is not planning to initiate another capital injection program beyond those already announced. Thus he's unlikely to tap the remaining $350 billion before the Bush administration leaves office on Jan. 20. That would mean the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama would decide whether and how the money should be spent.
The idea behind the capital injection program is for banks to use the money to rebuild reserves and lend more freely to customers. However, banks do have the leeway to use the money for other things, such as buying other banks, paying dividends to investors or bonuses to executives. That has touched a nerve with some lawmakers.
Locked-up lending is a prime reason why the U.S. is suffering through the worst financial crisis since the 1930s. All the fallout from the housing, credit and financial crises have badly hurt the economy, which is almost certainly in recession, analysts say.
Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the panel, has been tapped by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to draft an aid package for Detroit. The auto companies are seeking $25 billion for emergency loans.
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Thank you, Federal Government! Your intervention has saved us once again!
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Thank you, Federal Government! Your intervention has saved us once again! The main reason & the only reason this money got through was because of the devastating potential this could have. It was never going to be an instant fix or a perfect one.
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Actually, the whole selling point of the bailout was originally that something had to be done "immediately" to fix things or the economy would collapse. That sounds a lot like something that was intended to be an instant fix, even if only in the short term.
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Has the economy collapsed?
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According to chicken little (the media) it has.
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Make up your mind, MEM. Was it or was it not supposed to be an immediate fix?
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Please, MEM, point to anything that the bailout HAS done. Just saying that the economy hasn't collapsed isn't enough since there wasn't 100% agreement from economists that it would.
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Why should we look any further than today?
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Wall Street scared the politicians into giving them this money. Wall Street wants the government to be hands off so they can make money hand over fist until something goes wrong. Then Wall Street wants the government to step in and save them. That's why the market dropped so much after the first attempt failed. It was a way to push the government to do what they wanted.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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GM, Ford, and Chrysler need to answer why the US based Japanese factories are note needing a bailout.
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The Japanese aren't into the unions for massive health care and pension funds like the Big 3 are.
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Exactly. This is why the bailout is a band aid, they won't fix what ails them.
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 This single trip to DC cost tens of thousands of dollars(they flew to DC in luxury jets)......if they are hurting that bad, fly coach.
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Mitt Romney, writing in the New York Times, argues "Let Detroit go bankrupt." - IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.
Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.
The whole column makes a lot of sense. Too bad Romney didn't spend more time running for President on economic issues, instead of trying to pander to the religious right. He might have gotten a lot more support.
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A very well thought out column, it;s what I said but with punctuation and grammar!
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Interesting. According to the LA Times, Hollywood was earmarked money in bailout bill. The bill that was passed in October would provide tax breaks worth more than $470 million over the next decade for movie and TV producers that shoot in the U.S. Can we now stop pretending this is about helping the economy and wholly about throwing money at special interests?
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I was looking everywhere earlier for that. I noticed that the audience didn't laugh at the jokes at Congress's expense.
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Please, MEM, point to anything that the bailout HAS done. Just saying that the economy hasn't collapsed isn't enough since there wasn't 100% agreement from economists that it would. Has MEM been avoiding replying to this?
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He's awaiting official word from DEM HQ.
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Please, MEM, point to anything that the bailout HAS done. Just saying that the economy hasn't collapsed isn't enough since there wasn't 100% agreement from economists that it would. Has MEM been avoiding replying to this? There's rarely 100% agreement on anything. Clearly we just have different opinions on that being good enough. For me seeing two parties work together right before an election to get the bailout passed convinces me that it's not as simple of a matter that I think many of you are stuck on.
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The bailout was supposed to free up credit so that the average person can get more home loans and such. Experts are saying that that hasn't happened. It seems that the companies getting this money are either hording it or using it to continue buying up other institutions like themselves. Both parties coming together to throw money at the financial industry with very few provisions isn't a good enough outcome for me.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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There's rarely 100% agreement on anything. Clearly we just have different opinions on that being good enough. For me seeing two parties work together right before an election to get the bailout passed convinces me that it's not as simple of a matter that I think many of you are stuck on. Isn't this getting kinda tired for you? Whenever you run out of direct replies, you say it's all a matter of opinion or that there's some sort of undefinable complication in regards to the point of argument that keeps you from making a conclusion.
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The bailout was supposed to free up credit so that the average person can get more home loans and such. Experts are saying that that hasn't happened. It seems that the companies getting this money are either hording it or using it to continue buying up other institutions like themselves. Both parties coming together to throw money at the financial industry with very few provisions isn't a good enough outcome for me. That was another thing that nagged at me. Besides both parties working together on a bailout, this was/is hugely unpopular with voters. Nobody is like "hurrah! these guys that messed everything up are getting lots of money" While the bailout faltered the stock market heavilly reacted. I don't think that was some type of conspiracy at work. Their just that scared.
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