RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Report: Israel Preparing to Strike Iran Without U.S. Consent

The fact is, we were effectively at war with the entire nation of Japan. Citizens were prepared to send out women, children and the elderly to fight us, not to mention dropping radioactive particles on the beaches....

I think the concept of us sending soldiers to put a boot up your ass for fucking or even thinking about fucking with the USA is a bit more frightening for terrorists than simply dieing in a possible atomic blast.

It's not because of our lack of the nuclear option being on the table. Don't forget the WTC bombings of the 90's or the Oklahoma City bombing which, though done by an American, is believed to have been funded by Muslim extremists.

The bomb is a last resort weapon.

Again your not reading my posts, terrorists aren't frightened of anything. If you think the guys who flew those planes are scared of a butt kicking your as naive as Snarf. I am talking about removing material support for them. Terrorist without safe havens or money aren't anymore dangerous than a racist redneck, he can spout hated all day but he doesn't have the means to carry it out.

Had they been nuked then, we wouldn't have had 9-11, no one would have harbored or financed them. Thank you for making my point.

Do you really think that Osama Bin Laden would be willing to strap a bomb onto himself to kill a bunch of US soldiers? I think he'd rather brainwash others into doing it than himself, just like all the other Al-Quaida leaders. And since we've been picking them off one by one, they haven't had a chance to come up for air to implement another attack on us.

Exactly, attack the homeland, get nuked.

Japan's Navy was depleted and the islands in ruin when we nuked them, so in the case of tit for tat warfare that you prescribe the last resort wasn't needed.

They would have still been financed, probably even more so. Maybe not by governments, but by the Muslims who would be shown that America is truly in a holy war with Islam.

We must be having two different conversations. Where are you getting I think Bin Laden would strap on a bomb? I've always maintained he is a coward who uses other people, what does that got to do with having States cut off support for Al Qaida?

But they were still capable of fending off a ground invasion and willing to do so would have cost millions of lives in the end.

My point is that a terrorist isn't just the guy on the plane or in the subway. As for your question about funding terrorist, see my post about yours.

The governments can stop the flow of money. If you don't think Saudi Arabia and Iran know who is sending the money then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

But in your last resort scenario there is no need to invade, the threat had been defeated. They no longer posed a threat. Besides, boots on the ground kicking ass would have made them decide not to ever attack again right?

But in your last resort scenario there is no need to invade, the threat had been defeated. They no longer posed a threat. Besides, boots on the ground kicking ass would have made them decide not to ever attack again right?

So are we shutting them down or not. You say not with nukes, which proves my point. If we nuked them this would be over. I respect the fact doc that you wanna believe that nuclear bombs are somehow more evil than crashing a plane into a building unprovoked killing thousands, but I'll never buy it.

Shut up Snarf!

Like I said, a ground war would have cost us dearly in US soldiers' lives. That's why Truman decided to use the bomb. He wanted to end the Japanese agression and take Japan, quite honestly, before the Soviets attempted it.

I can't honestly tell if you're really not understanding what I'm saying or just arguing for shits and giggles. Let me take your own 9/11 reference and put it into easier to understand terms. What did 9/11 do? It killed about 3,000 Americans, civilians, in a terrifying way that was made a media spectacle around the world. What happened shortly afterwards? When the sheer horror it hit every one of us with finally wore off, we got pissed. We got pissed, and we kicked ass.

So say we dropped the bomb on Afghanistan instead of a ground invasion. Regular ole Muslims like Ahmed the used camel dealer can see that America is truly the Great Satan that Osama and his pals have been saying we were. OPEC decides to reduce production to one barrel a day (an exaggerated figure, I know), and gas prices shoot up to over $50 a gallon. Russia says to itself, "Fuck! These crazy Americans are going to use a bomb for any little thing," and start placing their nuke carrying subs off our coastlines again, ready to push the button if it looks even remotely like we're going to fuck with them. Pakistan and India say, "Well, the US did it," and nuke the shit out of each other. Total chaos. Dogs and cats living together. And Snarf still won't be able to get laid.