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"The Give Act" to reform the National Service Laws. Some key provisions:
  • * Government the right to require individuals to give 3 years service under the guise of “volunteer” service

    * It talks about uniforms and “camps.” They revise the word “camps” and call it “campus.” There is language about Seniors and Community organizations.

    * “leverage Federal investments to increase State, local, business, and philanthropic resources to address national and local challenges

    * encourage national service efforts to address pressing national challenges, such as improving education for low-income students, increasing energy conservation, and improving the health, well-being, and economic opportunities of the neediest individuals in the Nation;

    * expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities, including during the summer months, to improve the education of children and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community to children and youth throughout the United States;

    * increase service opportunities for our Nation's retiring professionals

    * encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities

    * Civilian Community Corps shall be called the "National Civilian Community Corps"

    * the Director determines appropriate "Uniforms"

Take note of the Miscellaneous Section (Title VI) of the Bill:

  • (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.


Remember when Der Kommisar was running for President and said this:

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I will refuse this. So when I stop posting here after this thing is passed, it's because I'll be in jail.

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Why can't you guys rely on your military? Why not just strengthen the military instead of creating a civilian army?

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Don't be stoopid. We need a strong civilian institution to protect us, and that's what Obama is giving us. It's not like we have things like the National Guard, Coast Guard, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Agency, Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, Secret Service, or US Marshal's like other nations have.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Stripping away the partisan perspective, what is this really?


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From what I've seen so far, Obama's plan to increase 'voluntary service' is to force school systems to require service or withhold funds from them. That will force students into service or they won't graduate and be jobless. There is also a big question mark over the whole 'civilian national security force'.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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President Obama's campaign Web site announces the "Organizing for America Pledge Project," which asks Americans to take the following pledge:

  • I support President Obama's bold approach for renewing America's economy.

    I will ask friends, family, and neighbors to pledge their support for this plan.


Nothing creepy and psuedo-dictatorial about any of this. Nope.

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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
Why can't you guys rely on your military? Why not just strengthen the military instead of creating a civilian army?


Our Constitution bars the military from civilian law enforcement. This is a way for the thought police to enforce their views on others with the strength of the military.

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You know who else had his own civilian police force?




















Hitler


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He seemed more likable.

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His spiritual leader also said we should kill all the jews.


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Ironic.

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 Originally Posted By: thedoctor
From what I've seen so far, Obama's plan to increase 'voluntary service' is to force school systems to require service or withhold funds from them. That will force students into service or they won't graduate and be jobless. There is also a big question mark over the whole 'civilian national security force'.


So is this a civilian militia or a capital works workforce creation scheme to keep people employed (Hoover Dam -esque)?


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Don't know. A lot of it seems to be a way for the taxpayers to pick up the tab for spreading the DNC talking points in schools and such rather than public works. He's being very coy about what he really wants.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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There's a link somewhere here from a proposal Obama supported before on this subject. It was a lot of re-education for youth on social matters the left supports.

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Taxes to spread philosophy? I really don't like that. Government supported programs on politically-charged perspectives are an abomination. Its as bad as "Just Say No' and the self-deceiving abstinence program. Its the place of government to stop disease, keep people employed, or whatever, but not the place of government to jam its thinking down people's throats.


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As near as I can tell, it's a continuation and expansion of the programs that exist in some schools and colleges whereby students are forced to participate in "public works" or "community service" projects. The projects are, of course, selected by, and supportive of, whatever agenda the officials in charge of same deem 'worthy.'

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There is also the program to put people in schools to plug leftist ideals in the classroom. I have no problem with Obama wanting to create a volunteer force to help Vets and such, but I am against using taxpayer money to indoctrinate kids with political ideology.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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House Readies Passage of Volunteerism Bill Critics Call Pricey, Forced Service
  • The legislation would create 175,000 "new service opportunities" under AmeriCorps, bringing the number of participants in the national volunteer program to 250,000. It would also create additional "corps" to expand the reach of volunteerism into new sectors, including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Futures Corps and Veterans Service Corps, and it expands the National Civilian Community Corps to focus on additional areas like disaster relief and energy conservation.

    But the bill's opponents -- and there are only a few in Congress -- say it could cram ideology down the throats of young "volunteers," many of whom could be forced into service since the bill creates a "Congressional Commission on Civic Service."

    The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including "whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation."

    Others say they are concerned that the increased funding will be used to promote one ideology over another.

    ...some critics on the right suggest that the president's push for national service goes too far, and the recent congressional steps toward expanding the federal role in volunteerism and "civilian service" smacks of a larger agenda. They point to a campaign speech the president made last July in which he suggested national security could be entrusted to a civilian force.

    "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded," Obama, who worked as a community organizer in Chicago early in his career, said during a Colorado Springs rally.

    "This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up," Obama said in the speech.

    "Senator Obama aims to tap into the already active volunteerism of millions of Americans and recruit them to become cogs in a gigantic government machine grinding out his social re-engineering agenda," Lee Cary of the conservative American Thinker wrote at the time about Obama's remarks.

    "(His words) were about turning America into one, giant, community organizer's sandbox at enormous cost to taxpayers," Cary wrote.

    The Senate is mulling over a similar piece of legislation, the "Serve America Act," sponsored by Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. It was given a special endorsement by the president in his address before Congress on Feb. 24.

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"Mandatory".

Mandatory armies are the worst - unmotivated soldiers are no match gainst professional soldiers.

How can you trust civil security or civic responsibility to a bunch of conscripts?


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I would think there will be some Constitutional challenges on forced service.

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I'm sure an Amendment could change any of that.

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 Originally Posted By: Stupid Doog
I'm sure an Amendment could change any of that.


....or enough leftists appointed to the Supreme Court.

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The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including "whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation."


Holy motherfucking God. That's scary.

Luckily I'm only a few semesters away from my BA, so my education isn't going to be held hostage by the government.

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Volunteering ... or Indoctrination? Senate votes to increase AmeriCorps — but some politically charged groups may benefit from extra funding

  • The Senate voted 78-20 to increase AmeriCorps to 250,000 from its current 75,000 positions. The legislation is expected to cost $6 billion over five years.

    The House could take up the bill as early as Monday, sending it then to President Obama for his signature.

    The package, called the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, or GIVE Act, encourages a broad range of Americans to give back to their communities. It would create five groups to help poor people, improve education, encourage energy efficiency, strengthen access to health care and assist veterans.

    It had widespread support on both sides of the aisle, but a small group of vocal opponents say the bill not only spends too much but could increase funding for ideologically driven groups.

    U.S. Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., initially tacked on an amendment to the House bill allaying such fears -- it prohibited for-profit political and labor groups that engage in legislative advocacy from receiving certain assistance under the plan.

    But conservatives cried foul after Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., submitted a substitute bill in the Senate stripping a lot of those provisions.

    "If we take the restrictions away, there's nothing keeping them from funding these kinds of groups," said Foxx spokesman Aaron Groen.

    Supporters say the program will yield benefits across the board -- assisting veterans, rebuilding homes and getting students involved in service, among other positives.

    Mikulski aide Rachel MacKnight said changes were made to the Senate version of the bill to earn "bipartisan support."

    But some conservative opponents are still not on board, saying the bill will allow taxpayer money to fund left-wing groups.

    Americans for Limited Government objected after the language in the Foxx amendment was taken out.

    "This is a bad deal for taxpayers, and there will be no way to enforce any prohibitions on the use of the funds once the money is in the coffers of the political organizations," ALG President Bill Wilson said in a written statement.

    The replacement language still prohibits participants from lobbying or organizing protests or engaging in other political activity. But ALG argued that government money could still end up funding those activities, since taxpayer funding could free up money elsewhere in the budget for political activities.

    Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., and Sen. David Vitter, R-La, tried to submit an amendment this week restoring the provisions Foxx had sought, but the move was tabled.

    DeMint spokesman Wesley Denton said the program is an example of "good intentions gone bad."


Let's recap. On one hand, the government is looking a newspaper bailout program that may lead to censoring the independent press through the use of government funds, with admonishments that the "free" press could not openly endorse policies or candidates.

On the other, it's spending billions of dollars in an effort to have various "community groups" and agencies endorse policies and, presumably, provide good publicity for incumbent politicians.

One government program would spend money to encourage government speech. The other would discourage private speech.

It really is a brave new world.


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