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OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.

THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due.

Mandating that everyone get insurance is bullshit. As pointed out, comparing mandatory health insurance to state required auto insurance is bull as I only need auto insurance if I own and drive a car. I don't need it for a fucking bicycle or a pair of shoes. It's just another way to tax the public.

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Yet if you're uninsured and get sick you'll go to an emergency room that will treat you. That's expensive health care and the if that person doesn't pay their bill that expense is passed on to the rest of us.

Mandatory "travel" insurance will be next. The fascists here are already trying to find a way to tax people on bikes.

Why not apply this principle to other areas of social policy as well? For example, we could deal with the problem of homelessness by passing a law requiring everyone to have a home, and levying thousands of dollars in fines against those who fail to comply.

MEM do you think there should be a surtax on homosexuality as homosexual sex has been identified as the leading cause of the spread of AIDS? Or do your views on what is a taxable sin only apply to people that do things that you dont do? As a liberal I already know your answer, but it will be fun to hear it from you.

The day after the most important speech of his presidency , Barack Obama had the satisfaction of a poll showing that one in seven Americans who watched it had changed their minds to back his health reforms. But there was little sign of a shift among the small group of senators who may decide the fate of his proposals.

While Democrats and a majority of voters welcomed a speech that demanded universal, affordable health insurance as a “moral” choice, congressional Republicans remained united in their scepticism about how Mr Obama would pay for it.

There was one possible exception — which may prove crucial as the Administration seeks the crucial 60th vote in the Senate, where Edward Kennedy’s recent death has deprived the Democrats of a solid majority.

Although Olympia Snowe, a Republican senator, said she wished that the President had ruled out the idea of a state-run insurance plan, she signalled her continued backing for a so-called public option as a fallback if private insurers failed to reform.
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1 in 7? if thats good news, i'd hate to see the bad!

That's really only about 4.5 million Americans if the results were based off of those who actually watched the speech.

Poll: Obama's Speech Buoyed Public Support

A CBS News poll shows that Americans now give him the best marks of his presidency on handling health care, but they're still divided over whether he's clearly explained his plan. And only 22 percent of those asked said the reforms now being considered would help them personally.

The day after Mr. Obama's congressional address, CBS re-interviewed 678 adults first questioned in a poll conducted August 27-31.


(CBS)Last week, just 40 percent of these adults approved of how the president was handling health care. More, 47 percent, disapproved. After the speech, 52 percent said they approved and only 38 percent said they disapproved. Those are the best assessments for Mr. Obama's handling of health care shown all year by CBS News Polls.

President Obama's speech was particularly successful in unifying Democrats. Now, 85 percent of them approve of his handling of health care.

Approval rates also rose among independents and Republicans, but independents are still divided and only 17 percent of Republicans approve of the president's health care actions.
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Like I've said before, his popularity always goes up after a major speech. Once people towel themselves off and realize what he said they go back to disagreeing with him.

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Health Care Reform
Support for Health Care Reform Jumps to 51%, Highest Total Yet
Support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats continues to grow following the president's speech to Congress last Wednesday night. It has now risen to the highest level yet measured, and, for the first time, shows a slight uptick in support among Republicans and voters not affiliated with either party.

Fifty-one percent (51%) of all voters nationwide now favor the plan while 46% are opposed. In June , as the public debate was just beginning, 50% favored the plan and 45% were opposed.

Support for the plan fell over the summer and reached a point where 53% of voters opposed it. However, in the days following the president's speech, support for the plan has been moving up on a fairly consistent basis.

Still, the intensity gap continues to favor those who oppose the plan. Currently, 28% Strongly Favor the proposed reform while 38% are Strongly Opposed. (see day-by-day numbers ). In late August, 23% were strongly in favor of the plan and 43% were strongly opposed.

Rasmussen Reports will continue tracking support for the proposals on a daily basis over the next several days and will release new updates each morning at 9 EDT. It remains to be seen how long the bounce will continue, how high it will go and where the numbers will settle.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll is another indicator of the speech's impact. Obama has received a personal bounce in his approval ratings since Wednesday. Job Approval ratings are updated each morning at 9:30 EDT.

Bounces from a speech take time to develop in part because only about 15% of Americans actually watched it. Most learn about it from the news coverage of the past several days or from discussions with family and friends.
(Want afree daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook .

Initially, the increases in support were restricted to Democrats. However, today's update is the first to register modest gains among both Republicans and unaffiliated voters. Forty-seven percent (47%) of unaffiliated voters now favor the plan while 50% are opposed. Those figures include 19% who Strongly Favor the plan and 38% who are Strongly Opposed.
Premium Members can see full demographic crosstabs for results released today , Sunday , Saturday , Friday, Thursday and, for comparison, late August .

Fifty-five percent (55%) now say that health care reform is at least somewhat likely to pass this year. That's the highest total yet and includes 19% who say passage is Very Likely.

I guess that's it then! This is how we greet the end of the Republic.....with emoticons?!?

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll is another indicator of the speech's impact. Obama has received a personal bounce in his approval ratings since Wednesday....

I like Mondays