Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
I'm not going to join the discussion on the actual effects/benefits of the earth hour in terms of saving energy/fuel/private ryan/whatever.

I'm not going to be a dick to people who believe in something either. You can support earth hour as much as you want, but please don't look down on me just because I choose not to join it. I just have a problem with the concept. It's like those colored ribbon things: I wore a yellow ribbon to show my support for [insert cause]. I may even join a rally somewhere or throw a rock at a random soldier. But after that is all over, what's next? The status quo is unchanged.

You inconvenienced the opposition for about a day but after that you're left with nothing but a smug feeling that you "did your part". People who are aware that they are not doing their job is probably only slightly worse than People who believe they did their job even though they only did a fraction of it.

After Earth Hour, how many people who participated sold their power hungry multi core PCs and bought an Atom based HTPC that only consumes 25watts on full load? Or how many started unplugging every single unused electronic appliance in the house that is on standby? How many of these people stopped supporting big companies that obviously leave a big footprint on the country's energy consumption?

Or a different question: how many people who participated in the earth hour went back to their old ways like nothing ever happened, only to be Environmentally-aware and supportive the next year when earth hour comes again?

I actually believe that Earth Hour is more useful as symbol, and a powerful one at that. But my problem is that it fools people into thinking that they actually made a big difference.

I think the reason why it's such a huge hit is because it's very easy, I mean how hard can it be to turn off a light for a couple of hours? People think they turn off their lights for a few hours and the earth will be saved, not even bothering to check if it actually made a long term difference. It's instant justification for your worth as a human being.

You don't see the same amount of global support for things that will actually make a difference, like getting rid of power hungry appliances and vehicles (and I don't mean just gas guzzlers. Any car that runs on gas. Use a bike or something) or home cooking instead of depending on fastfood from companies that have large electricity consumptions. Because that would actually need effort and sacrifice, and who wants that? Screw all of that. Just turn off your lights for a couple of hours, BAM! EARTH SAVED.



Now, see, I can go along with this rationale far easier than I can the whole paranoia-driven "anti-Liberal" platform people take on this. Extremists point out the worst possible alternative for anything they oppose, versus the actual, rational, real consequences.

And let's be clear here: I don't support Earth Hour. Hell, I never even know it's "happening" unless someone like rex starts a Rage-Wank thread about it (fucking AWESOME phrase, Joe.... "rage-wank"...perfect description ). So, that's why I question why it's such a big deal whether it does or does not happen. The outcome is always the same. Kind of like voting for a Prez...no matter who you pick, the outcome is always the same: Shit.


I'm down with these rationales. I'm one of the first to turn off and un-plug things around the house when they are not in use. If it isn't a long journey to where I am going then I am more than happy to walk or ride my bike. Honestly, though...I cut a couple of extra lights on during earth hour. Sure, part of it is because I'm not the most liberal guy in the world. But, a large reason for that is that most of their so-called "viable solutions" seem just as illogical as pumping tons of pollution into the air. It is great that we can power up cities the size of Cleveland with wind power. What isn't great that to do so would require us to level a good 50,000 square miles or so to build enough to do it. As such, I can only see earth hour as a way to push an agenda that is probably just as retarded as "fossil fuel-philia." I would like real solutions but most of the current debate fits--to me--your comparison to electing a president. In the end, no matter which side you choose, you still get shit.

As for banning cars, the last people that were forced on to trains were the Jews. And, we all know how that worked out for them.

And, yes, Joe nailed it with rage-wank.