Originally Posted By: Pariah
My point was that it could develop into a trend and become something less optional. This kind of stuff gives precedent for DC/Warner to tell Rocksteady that they'd prefer more family exhibition within the story. At least with optional characters like Joker, I don't have to worry about that kind of stuff.


but that's a theory based on nothing. there's no indication robin will ever become a "starring role" in this game, this franchise, or future bat-titles. there's no indication that this was a move DC/warner brought to rocksteady. there's just as much credence to the theory that hugo strange will be batman's father. the only thing introduced is bonus content for those looking for it. playable robin, playable joker, playable catwoman... they're all the same little "oh, neat!" attributes. there's no reason to speculate beyond that, least of all to outright proclaim "[this now] sucks"

 Originally Posted By: Pariah
Your preferences aside, there's not really a great deal of credence for saying that she was a major factor of enjoyment for the majority of DKR readers. Not saying they didn't enjoy her presence, but that wouldn't mean she was a necessity for the book's positive reception--or at least, for as much positive reception that it received.


as said, i don't think she was necessarily a "selling point." batman is always the [only] selling point. but i think there's certainly intrigue about her character, and the story's evolving role of robin. carrie kelly was awesome, and i thought a great example of how robin could be well utilized. my suspicion is a large group of fans thought the same, and i can only assume frank miller, king of the "dark, grim, gritty, loner, rebel, crazy, kickass, rockstar-based-their-character-on-my" batman did as well, having created her. most certainly, i think she exceeded the role of being a "DC forced move; sucks" type.

 Originally Posted By: Pariah
As for Morrison: most of the people who bought his shit prior to Batman and Robin went on and on about how much they absolutely LOVED it (). If there was a pattern among readership similar to your own experience with his relatively recent stuff, I could better acknowledge your opinion as a reflection of the general feel towards his writing.


who knows what the general populous thinks. but, also, who cares?

any pre-conceived bias for the book is countered by the pre-conceived bias against it. did you ever give it an honest try?


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