Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy


It should be pointed out, Jaburg, that the New York Times and Washington Post wouldn't publish those cartoons in 2006 that parodied Islam. Hypocritically, they censored themselves and wouldn't publish them, even just to give their audience an informed perspective of what the controversy and cartoons were. Even as they bemoaned repressed freedom of speech.



No major US news outlets published them.


While I think that was cowardly of the U.S. media, it was out of fear of violence from muslims.
As I recall, most of them linked in their articles to sites that did show all the cartoons, that I and others linked and posted here on the RKMB boards.



 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
I don't think this is all muslims.

It's like any group of like minded insane people with weapons.

They could be inspired by the Quaran, the Bible, or the Beatles but they are the same thing.



I think we're usually in agreement, Jaburg, but on this issue, I don't know how you come to the conclusion that most of Islamic practitioners don't endorse Islamic jihad and violence.

In the previous Islam, a religion of peace topic, I cited a 2003 Washington Post article that said hundreds of thousands of muslim students either left U.S. colleges or didn't come here, in solidarity with the Al Qaida terrorists.
And that between 30% and 50% of the people in muslim countries began boycotting U.S. products after 9-11-2001, even after their leaders asked them not to, and said it will not hurt the U.S. economy, and will only hurt their own economies.

Further, an article I posted from the Anti-Defamation League cited the spike in anti-Semitism in EVERY WESTERN NATION that muslims immigrate to, whether Europe, Canada, the U.S., or Australia. The assault of Jews in the streets, Jewish grave desecration, vandalism and burning of synagogues. Also a spike in gang rapes of women, and in "honor killings" of women. I've personally known two American women who married muslim men, and divorced them in less than 5 years because they were beaten.

So I think the case is definitely made for the vast support among muslims for islamic violent jihad.


As has been pointed out on these boards for years, when a "Christian" bombs an abortion clinic, almost 100% of Christians, far from supporting it, roll their eyes with embarrassment and disown the action as not representative of Christian beliefs and teachings. Likewise the extremely rare incidents like the Guyana tragedy of Rev. Jim Jones, or David Koresch's Branch Davidian cult. They are disowned, not celebrated.

Contrast that with what happened after 9-11-2001, with tens of thousands of Palestinians (and those are just the ones who were filmed!) cheering and dancing in the streets like they'd won the World Cup. And that is consistent with the way they celebrate in the streets any time Israeli civilians are killed as well.
Likewise the boycotts in every muslim nation of U.S. products, and leaving/not-attending U.S. schools that I cited above, in solidarity with Al Qaida.

In fairness, a large minority in Iran among the younger generation want to abolish the Islamic government there and establish a more pro-Western culture, and even risked their lives in a "Green Revolution" toward that end a few years ago (many of whom were slaughtered and imprisoned.)
And in TIME magazine (in an issue with a cover story, circa 2003-2004, asking "Is Saudi Arabia our friend?") they cited that even in Saudi Arabia, in the heart of Islam, 50% of the population despises Sharia law and would like to see it abolished.

Yes, a large percentage oppose Islamic violence. But quantifiably, a vast percentage, if not a majority, in even the most educated muslim cultures, passively or directly support muslim violence, and are pushing for Sharia Law in Europe and the U.S., and establishing "no-go" free zones independent from Western democracy.