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Nope, nothing to worry about there!

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We are all in big trouble.


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Can you be more specific, anything specific that Trump actually said, with a lucid quoted source, to justify any fear of Trump?

Because from what I see, it's THE DEMOCRATS who are the threat to our Constitutional republic.
And THE DEMOCRATS who are trying to establish a one-party authoritarian socialist-Marxist police state.



Democrats in speeches and their actions over the last 20 years or so, and especially the last 5 years, have PRECISELY SAID this is what they intend to do, and have actually done. DEMOCRATS who have weaponized the FBI, DOJ, IRS and other federal agencies

Democrats who rigged the 2020 election, and then intimidated and imprisoned anyone who even asked for a re-count.

By comparison, after the 2000 Bush vs. Gore disputed election, there were THREE re-counts in front of the global media.

But after the 2020 election, the voting machines were immediately wiped and given new software, there were missing flash-drives that left in question hundreds of thousands of votes. Hardcopy paper ballots, that are required by federal election law to be kept on file for 22 months for precisely such a re-count, were shredded by Democrat election supervisors in election centers nationwide,in the weeks immediately after the Nov 2020 elecion, so no re-count was even possible.
And political leaders and judges were threatened by Democrat secretaries of state with loss of their positions and imprisonment if they even asked for a re-count or pursued any legal action toward an audit or election review.



Then THE DEMOCRATS put up a barbed wire fence and 20,000 armed National Guard around the U.S. Capitol.

Then THE DEMOCRATS had an inaugural ceremony where only 1,000 people were permitted to attend, and with 20,000 National Guard in attendance, there were 20 armed guards for every person who attended.

And the message was clear: If you EVEN QUESTION the election or Democrat-Bolshevik control, you will be shot. Or you will be thrown in jail, in cruel conditions, without even clean drinking water or flushing toilets, without even the ability to shower or shave, held indefinitely without due process or trial.
And if you even ask to see a lawyer, you will be beaten by Democrat-Bolshevik Trump-hating guards in your cell for doing so.
If you even tell family or anyone on the outside about the jail conditions, that will get you a beating in your cell as well, and/or solitary confinement.
If you had cancer or some other condition before arrest, you were denied medications until your cancer came completely back.




The FBI has approximately 17,000 agents. And of that number, 5,000 were assigned to investigating and prosecuting the January 6th protesters, over 90% of whom arrested were just peacefully protesting, and were at most guilty of "trespassing" or "parading" in the Capitol, not of any violent offenses.
But the Democrat police-state FBI added on federal charges to maliciously prosecute them of "disrupting a federal proceeding" to give them YEARS in jail for what should have at most been a $300 fine.

FBI head Christopher Wray in Senate hearings 3 years ago said that 60% of the FBI's resources were devoted to "domestic terrorism".
Which is to say, Republicans, in the 97% Democrat-donating FBI and DOJ's effort to label all political opposition to their Democrat-Bolshevik abuses as "domestic terrorism".

And in that 60% of FBI resources fighting "domestic terrorism" are thousands more FBI and DOJ agents assigned to police-state investigation of parents just voicing objection at PTA meetings to "woke" indoctrination of their children in schools, who were then subject to 6AM FBI raids and imprisonment.
Or at the very least, trials and prosecution by the FBI that would cost them between $400,000 and $750,000 on average each, just defend themselves.
Even without ending in jail time, a Democrat-Bolshevik FBI prosecution is in itself a deliberate torment of conservative-Republican dissenters WHO HAVE COMMITTED NO CRIME.

Likewise FBI prosecution of peaceful pro-life activists, subject to the same 6 AM armed FBI-raid treatment.

Likewise the same malicious prosecution of dozens of Trump cabinet officials, such as Paul Manafort, Rick Grimes, Michael Caputo, Roger Stone, Peter Navarro, Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, and counless others, including Donald Trump Jr.
And then FOUR SIMULTANEOUS MALICIOUS PROSECUTIONS of Trump himself, WHILE Trump was campaigning for president in 2020.

So please tell me again, WHICH PARTY are the oppressors and the threat to Constitutional freedoms?
It sure looks to me like it's the authoritarian socialism-worshipping FBI-abusing Democrat-Bolsheviks who are the threat.

And not Trump, who is actually working to restore our Constitutional freedoms and national sovereignty, not destroy them, as the Democrat party is.

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You’re part of Trump’s cult so when he just gave an interview where he literally says the title of this thread out loud you of course are confused.


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Just imagine the uproar from supposed conservatives if a democrat president tried playing this game of “not knowing “.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You’re part of Trump’s cult so when he just gave an interview where he literally says the title of this thread out loud you of course are confused.

Eat shit, M E M. I'm not part of a "Trump cult", and there is no Trump cult.
That's just a propaganda talking point YOUR Democrat-Bolshevik cult tries to sell, to demonize Trump and any Republican opposiion, when in truth what Trump offers is common sense and restoration of Constitutional rights.

Trump in the given interview says he's not a Constitutional scholar or an expert in Constitutional law, that he relies on some of the best Constitutional lawyers to study the issues and advise him on how to best preserve the Constitution, to pursue policy consistent with Constiutional law and precedent.
And yet Democrats and the Democrat-Bolshevik liberal media spin that as "TRUMP WANTS TO ABANDON THE CONSTITUTION"panicpanic
Well, that's just a vicious Democrat lie, and not even close to reality of what Trump said, or what Trump is doing.

And meanwhile, for the last 20 years at least, Democrats have become "Democratic Socialist" BOLSHEVIKS, who have NO interest in preserving the Constitution, or preserving 250 years of Constittutional legal precedent.
And while Democrats GIVE LIP SERVICE ONLY to rule of law, for rubes like you who believe their propaganda, what Democrats REALLY are doing is trying to gut our Constitutional checks and balances.

And through violence, intimidation and deception, establish Democrat "socialist"/Marxist ONE PARTY RULE over the United States, and doing so incredibly, in THE NAME of "preserving demoocracy", TO ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN Constitutional rule of law, to impose Stalinist control over the country, where they never lose another election, to impose their will on every citizen.
hrogh Democrat-Bolshevik one-party rule, destroying all fossil fuel industry and usage, no gas-powered cars, 9 dollars a gallon gas due to Democrat-Bolshevik policy, no gas stoves, no water pressure in showers, imposing water use resrictions, "carbon-credit" restricitons on air conditioning and electricity, transgender craziness rammed down parents' throats against their will so they don't' even have choice to raise their children with their own values, where parents don't even have the right to protect their daughters (or sons) from being raped or murdered by transgender males or illegal immigrants in their schools.

Does THIS Democrat-Bolshevik policy... sound like "Constitutional freedoms"?!?
You know the answer. But you won't ever answer honestly.

Democrats are the party of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, open borders, George Soros-brand globalism, Saul Alinsky-brand deception and intimidation, Barack Obama-brand weaponization of FBI, DOJ, CIA, IRS and all federal agencies, and Joe Biden/Kamala Harris- brand using FBI to arrest thousands of your political opponents and imprison them without even due process.

And/or bankrupting of Trump supporters, of bankrupting Republicans more broadly, of imprisonment an malicious prosecution of January 6th PEACEFUL protesters, of peaceful pro-life activists, of parents at PTA meetings protesting "woke" indoctrination of their children in schools.
All subject to FBI arrest and prosecution.
No debate permitted in a Democrat-Bolshevik system, just put them in jail and bankrupt them with FBI prosecutions (costing an average $400,000 to 750,000 per case, or in the case of someone like Donald Trump or Michael Flynn, legal fees into the millions).
To intimidate any other peaceful dissent away.

As I've cited before, the 97% Democrat-donating FBI, according to Christopher Wray himself in Senate hearings testimony, now devotes 60 percent of their resources to fighting "domestic terrorism".
Which is to say any Republican opposition to their one-party Democrat-Bolshevik power, that a Democrat-weaponized FBI maliciously propagandizes as a violent "threat to democracy".
When in fact it is THEY THE DEMOCRATS, AND THE DEMOCRAT WEAPONIZED FBI, WHO ARE THE ACTUAL THREAT TO DEMOCRACY.

And that is a consistent Marxist / Bolshevik tactic, going back to Lenin and Stalin: To label your conservative opposition as doing what YOU YOURSELVES are doing.



But yeah, Trump is a threat to the Constitution, right..... rolleyes

And DEFINITELY NOT the Democrats who used the FBI, DOJ, CIA and NSA to illegally spy on Trump and surveil his campaign staff since at least 2016, using fake illegal FISA warrants and other illegal FBI abuses of power (for which FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmih was convicted of, by the way. And he was just the tip of the iceberg).

DEFINITELY NOT the Democrat-weaponized FBI that sent spies and fake "Russian asset" moles into Trump's campaign, to frame him and trick him or his staff into breaking laws, FBI using fake Russian e-mails, and FBI-provided fake information about Hillary Clinton (which Trump and his staffers didn't fall for, and actually reported these offers back to the FBI , not knowing it was FBI trying to frame them).

DEFINITELY NOT the FBI and Biden White House and DOJ who are the threat to democracy. Who indicted Trump with FOUR simultaneous fake lawsuits for made-up criminal charges that no oher defendent in U.S. legal history has EVER been charged with, or ever will be again.
WHILE TRUMP WAS CAMPAIGNING FOR PRESIDENT no less, to put pressure on Trump to drop out, burying Trump in nearly a billion dollars in legal fees and penalties.

DEFINITELY NOT the FBI and Secret Service who are the threat to the republic, who set up Trump for a JFK-like assassination attempt on July 13th.
And then again on a West Palm Beach golf course just 2 months later. And almost a year later these federal agencies can tell us virtually nothing about these two would-be assassins. Because these federal agencies have a hidden role in what happened, and don't ever want the facts to come out.



Trump was decisively elected A SECOND TIME in Nov 2024 (third time, actually, before the 2020 election was rigged) with a clear and overwhelming mandate, and THESE DEMOCRAT-BOLSHEVIKS using every last dirty trick to obstruct Trump as president, are obstructing the clear will of the people.
And the false narrative otherwise is just Democrat-Bolshevik smoke and mirrors, trying to deceive the public, to again move us back toward Democrat-Bolshevik authoritarian one-party rule.

Well... almost 100% of Trump voters in Nov 2024 say they would vote for him again, more enduring post election support than any other president.
They aren't buying the Newspeak from George Orwell's liberal media.

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President Donald Trump, a little more than 100 days after taking the oath of office, questioned whether he had a duty to uphold the Constitution and the Fifth Amendment right to due process as he expressed frustration on judicial pushback to his mass deportation effort.

During a wide-ranging interview with NBC News "Meet the Press" moderator Kristen Welker, Trump was asked if he agreed with Secretary of State Marco Rubio that citizens and noncitizens alike are entitled to due process.

"I don't know," Trump responded. "I'm not a lawyer. I don't know."

Welker noted that the Fifth Amendment, which states in part that "no person" shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," says as much.

"I don't know," Trump repeated. "It seems it might say that, but if you're talking about that, then we'd have to have a million or 2 million or 3 million trials. We have thousands of people that are some murders and some drug dealers and some of the worst people on earth, some of the worst most dangerous people on earth, and I was elected to get them the hell out of here and the courts are holding me from doing it."


Asked a final time if, as president, he needed to uphold the Constitution, [clear ABC News spin: } Trump again deflected.

"I don't know. I have to respond by saying, again, I have brilliant lawyers that work for me, and they are obviously going to follow what the Supreme Court said," in what's become a new standard answer in interviews when confronted with similar questions about what the law requires him to do.

Legal experts told ABC News that the Fifth Amendment does not make any distinction between citizens and noncitizens. The Supreme Court has held that illegal immigrants are afforded due process rights under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

So Trump said he's not a Consttitutional scholar, that he's going to follow the law,.
That since he himself is not an expert on Constituional law, he has many lawyers under him who are Constitutional law scholars, to advise him how to best address the issues raised, and comply with Constitutional law and with Supreme Court rulings.
That he was elected with a mandate to deport the 20 million illegals who had contempt for our lawwhen entering th country, BUT ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE FULL CONSTITUIONAL PROTECTIONS AND TRIALS, DESPITE THAT THESE ILLEGALS NEVER HAD ANY RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION IN THE YEARS THEY WERE ILLEGALLY HERE COMMITTING CRIMES AND PREYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS, MANY OF THEM REPEATEDLY ILLEGALLY RE-ENTERING THE COUNTRY EVEN AFTER ALREADY BEING LEGALLY DEPORTED PREVIOUSLY.

In the case example of Kilmar Obrega Garcia, he was
1) pulled over in Tennessee by police, pulled over with 8 illegals over-packed in the car, and police determined he was human trafficking, Garcia was carrying $1500.00 in cash in an envelope, for payment to traffick them, he was driving in a car licensed to another known human trafficker.
2) In another incident Garcia, adorned in gang clothing and gang tattoos, was arrested by Maryland police in the company of multiple other known MS -13 gang members.
3) A judge in court later determined Garcia was an MS-13 gang member.
4) And an appeals judge also ruled Garcia was a gang member.

And yet you (and the oh-so-neutral objective reporters a ABC News, see all this and say Donald Trump is a threat to democracy and didn't give this guy his 5th Amendment rights (which by the way, is U.S. law Garcia never respected during all the years he was in his country illegally.)

Forgive me, but that makes absolutely no sense.

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CNN reporter Kaitlan Collins linked on "X" to defense fund page for murderer Luigi Mangione, then quietly deleted the post


These are the liberal media reporters trusted to give us neutral/objective facts about Trump or other political issues.

Just saying.



And Kaitlan Collins still has a job and still hosts a show on CNN, no penalty for this egregious bias and craziness !

Likewise Kristen Welker on ABC News.
She has been proven over and over not to be an objective reporter.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/17/kristen-welker-next-debate-moderator-has-deep-democrat-ties/

ABC News has an ulterior agenda, and that agenda is to destroy Trump, by whatever distortion of the facts they can pull off. Not just one person at ABC News, but the entire network.

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Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, and the other Democrat "defenders of democracy"...



Justice Roberts condemns Schumer's comments targeting Gorsuch, Kavanaugh


NOT AT ALL inciting mob violence against specifically named Supreme Court justices who rule against Democrat positions on abortion or gay/trans issues, not at all...

NOT AT ALL Democrats inciting leftist activists who protest and scream outside conservative Supreme Court justices' homes 24/7 day and night, or have actually tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh, or follow the justices' school-age children to and from their schools, for intimidation purposes, or worse.

Or the Democra mob who smashed the front door of Tucker Carlson's home off its hinges, and terrorized Carlson's wife and children inside.

The Democrats are the self-proclaimed defenders of freedom.
Except they idolize Stalin, Castro, Che Gueverra, Mao Tse Tung, Saul Alinsky and Hugo Chavez.
On up through the Clintons, the Obamas and their White House staffs. They admire, follow, and even openly quote these Marxists and their mob intimidation tactics as standard methods to achieve Democrat political victory, and silence opponents.

But yeah, Trump is evil. And these guys are the TRUE defenders of democracy panic !

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"Create a crowd, push back on them..."


Rep. Mad Maxine Waters.
Again, CLEAR endorsement of mob intimidation and violence. The Democrat-Bolshevik way.

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Rep. Ayanna Pressley, 2020:"There needs to be unrest in our streets as long as there's unrest in our lives"


Ayanna Pressley, advocating BLM violence nationwide in wake of George Floyd's death.



Sen. Cory Booker inciting violence: "Get up in the face of some congresspeople"



Kamala Harris on BLM violence: "It will not stop, it SHOULDN'T stop"



How the Democrat party "defends the Constitution".
By burning the country to the ground.

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You’ve joked about pelosi getting attacked with a hammer and attacked law enforcement for talking about j6ers assaulting them. I see you for what you are and actually support. I have principles, you have your party.


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Originally Posted by Wonder Boy


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President Donald Trump, a little more than 100 days after taking the oath of office, questioned whether he had a duty to uphold the Constitution and the Fifth Amendment right to due process as he expressed frustration on judicial pushback to his mass deportation effort.

During a wide-ranging interview with NBC News "Meet the Press" moderator Kristen Welker, Trump was asked if he agreed with Secretary of State Marco Rubio that citizens and noncitizens alike are entitled to due process.

"I don't know," Trump responded. "I'm not a lawyer. I don't know."

Welker noted that the Fifth Amendment, which states in part that "no person" shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," says as much.

"I don't know," Trump repeated. "It seems it might say that, but if you're talking about that, then we'd have to have a million or 2 million or 3 million trials. We have thousands of people that are some murders and some drug dealers and some of the worst people on earth, some of the worst most dangerous people on earth, and I was elected to get them the hell out of here and the courts are holding me from doing it."


Asked a final time if, as president, he needed to uphold the Constitution, [clear ABC News spin: } Trump again deflected.

"I don't know. I have to respond by saying, again, I have brilliant lawyers that work for me, and they are obviously going to follow what the Supreme Court said," in what's become a new standard answer in interviews when confronted with similar questions about what the law requires him to do.

Legal experts told ABC News that the Fifth Amendment does not make any distinction between citizens and noncitizens. The Supreme Court has held that illegal immigrants are afforded due process rights under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

So Trump said he's not a Consttitutional scholar, that he's going to follow the law,.
That since he himself is not an expert on Constituional law, he has many lwyers under him who are Constitutional law scholars, o advise him how to best address he issues raised and comply with Constitutional law and with Supreme Court rulings.
That he was elected with a mandate to deport the 20 million illegals who had contempt for out law entering, BUT ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE FULL CONSTITUIONAL PROTECTIONS AND TRIALS, DESPITE THAT THESE ILLEGALS NEVER HAD ANY RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION IN THE YEARS THEY WERE ILLEGALLY HERE COMMITTING CRIMES AND PREYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS, MANY OF THEM REPEATEDLY ILLEGALLY RE-ENTERING THE COUNTRY EVEN AFTER ALREADY BEING LEGALLY DEPORTED PREVIOUSLY.

In the case example of Kilmar Obrega Garcia, he was 1) pulled over in Tennessee by police, pulled over with 8 illegals over-packed in the car, and police determined he was human trafficking, Garcia was carrying $1500.00 in cash for payment to traffick them, he was driving in a car licensed to anoher known human trafficker.
2) In anoher incident Gargia, adorned in gang clohing and gang tattoos, was arrested by Maryland police in the company of muliple other known MS -13 gang members.
3) A judge later determined he was an MS-13 gang member.
4) And an appeals judge also ruled he was a gang member.

And yet you (and the oh-so-neutral objective reporters a ABC News, see all this and say Donald Trump is a threat to democracy and didn't give this guy his 5th Amendment rights (which by he way, he never respected during all the years he was in his counrty illegally.)

Forgive me, but that makes absolutely no sense.

Trump is a threat to democracy. The Supreme Court weighed in here and said the administration needs to facilitate Garcia’s return. Instead of complying, Trump has tried pushing a photoshopped image with gang tattoos as real, stated he could return Garcia if he wanted to, and now pretends to not understand the clear meaning of the Constitution. Constitutional rights are not dependent on if Trump decides they’re inconvenient. Yet here he is doing exactly that.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You’ve joked about pelosi getting attacked with a hammer and attacked law enforcement for talking about j6ers assaulting them. I see you for what you are and actually support. I have principles, you have your party.

I joked about an ironic situation, where lawless corrupt insider trader Democrats like Nancy and Paul Pelosi, who cheer on Marxist revolutionary Antifa and BLM thugs, tearing down statues nationwide of Washingon, Jefferson and Lincoln, ended up being victimized by the same radical leftists and illegal immigrants that THEY cheered on being let in this country, that ended up endangering them too.
Along with endangering every other American in the country.


I attacked four FAKE police officers who were actually Democrat operatives, four specific Capitol police officers who testified in scripted false-narrative hearings.
Officers who are Democrat leftists, who behaved as Democrat operatives in House hearings about the January 6th incident at the Capitol.
Where these 4 officers read statements in House subcommittee hearings, that they clearly themselves did not write, and in fact mispronounced words and phrases that laughably were clearly outside their own vocabularies, and CLEARLY not their own words.

I condemned them, and still do, because they exaggerated or completely misrepresented what actually occurred, to conform it to a Democrat lying narrative of January 6th, demonizing the overwhelmingly PEACEFUL Trump supporters.
And the few incidents of violence and rioting that day, are proven to be committed by the many FAKE Trump supporters, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, among them John Earle Sullivan and at least 20 of his Antifa Salt Lake City group (evidenced in many of their own posted videos of January 6th).
At least 20 DHS undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters.
At least 20 FBI undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters.
And at least 10 DC Metro Police officers undercover disguised as Trump supporters.

And these are just the false-flag agents that we know of, that were admitted to being sent by these agencies.
The plan was to frame Trump supporters as violent, to trick ACTUAL Trump supporters o follow them, through smashed open windows, and have them enter the Capitol to do more vandalism.
But that FBI/Democrat plan didn't work.
When the 40,000 hours of Capitol surveillance video was finally released, virtually all the Trump supporters were released from jail, PROVEN innocent of any violence.

Despite that none of them were guilty of violence, and were at most guilty of "parading" or "trespassing" in the Capitol building, that SHOULD HAVE only gotten them at most a $300 fine, a malicious (97% Democrat) FBI and DOJ tacked on federal charges of "interrupting a government proceeding" that got them each way disproportionate YEARS of jail time.
Overcharged and badly mistreated in jail with no due process given, 1200 of the 1500 pleaded guilty to charges they were innocent of, just to end their ordeal. Many of them, unable to work while incarcerated for up to 2 and a half years, lost their homes to foreclosure, and lost their businesses and jobs, in addition to the enormous court cost of the FBI prosecuting them.

For NO REASON, other than to prop up a Democrat false narrative that Trump supporters are violent and dangerous, intended by FBI and the Biden administration to make Trump toxic to voters, and assure Trump would not be able to run for election again in 2024.
How did that work out?



And it is only perpetuated false narrative from piece of shit lying Democrat-activist zealots like you that are trying to keep that PROVEN false narrative alive at his point.

1500 innocent Trump supporters who just peacefully stood around waving flags, and outside were pounded with concussion grenades and tear gas by police (or people disguised as police, possibly FBI) to try and make them riot.
People (probably FBI agents ) disguised as Trump supporters who smashed windows on the Capitol building, who moved away police barriers and waved ACTUAL Trump supporters to go in, to basically create more entrances to get Trump supporters inside the Capitol.
To frame them, in a false-flag operation, by FBI [agents provocateur.

Harry Dunn, a black officer, lyingly fronted an incendiary Democrat narrative that Trump protesters in a crowd of thousands, over and over called him "nigger", but with dozens of cel phone cameras recording, and TV cameras from a Trump-hating news media rolling, NOT ONE has ever come forward to show the n-word used EVEN ONCE on him, so ABSOLUTELY NOTHING exists to prove this vicious lie. He just read a lying script he didn't even write alleging it, in Democrat-Bolshevik January 6th Committee testimony.

All four officers have been proven to be Democrat liars, acting as political operatives and not as police officers. Their social media showed them all four to be extremely partisan Democrats, who HATED Trump and Republicans, long before events of January 6 2021.

Michael Fanone, in incendiary rhetoric in a CNN interview said "Republicans are a cancer that needs to be carved out." Who then became a highly paid CNN contributor for several years.
Harry Dunn, whose social media posts showed him in a Black Lives Matter t-shirt, and another appearing a a Black Lives Matter rally with his son. With dozens of posts calling Trump aand all Republicans racist. If he still works for the Capitol Police, he must be intensely hated by every other officer in the department.


I previously commented on all this, repeatedly, and linked directly to the full testimony. These guys are liars, Democrat shills, no more.

And I love how Democrats are the party of BLM and Antifa, who hate cops and want to de-fund police departments nationwide.
THE FEW COPS YOU DEFEND ARE PROPS, to use only as a weapon, to attack your political opposition with a false narrative.
Only in cases like this do you EVER defend police and put on a show of righteous indignation. Only to sell your Democrat-Bolshevik narrative do you briefly PRETEND to be on the side of police officers.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy


What was said:

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President Donald Trump, a little more than 100 days after taking the oath of office, questioned whether he had a duty to uphold the Constitution and the Fifth Amendment right to due process as he expressed frustration on judicial pushback to his mass deportation effort.

During a wide-ranging interview with NBC News "Meet the Press" moderator Kristen Welker, Trump was asked if he agreed with Secretary of State Marco Rubio that citizens and noncitizens alike are entitled to due process.

"I don't know," Trump responded. "I'm not a lawyer. I don't know."

Welker noted that the Fifth Amendment, which states in part that "no person" shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," says as much.

"I don't know," Trump repeated. "It seems it might say that, but if you're talking about that, then we'd have to have a million or 2 million or 3 million trials. We have thousands of people that are some murders and some drug dealers and some of the worst people on earth, some of the worst most dangerous people on earth, and I was elected to get them the hell out of here and the courts are holding me from doing it."


Asked a final time if, as president, he needed to uphold the Constitution, [clear ABC News spin: } Trump again deflected.

"I don't know. I have to respond by saying, again, I have brilliant lawyers that work for me, and they are obviously going to follow what the Supreme Court said," in what's become a new standard answer in interviews when confronted with similar questions about what the law requires him to do.

Legal experts told ABC News that the Fifth Amendment does not make any distinction between citizens and noncitizens. The Supreme Court has held that illegal immigrants are afforded due process rights under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

So Trump said he's not a Consttitutional scholar, that he's going to follow the law,.
That since he himself is not an expert on Constitutional law, he has many lawyers under him who are Constitutional law scholars, o advise him how to best address he issues raised and comply with Constitutional law and with Supreme Court rulings.
That he was elected with a mandate to deport the 20 million illegals who had contempt for out law entering, BUT ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE FULL CONSTITUIONAL PROTECTIONS AND TRIALS, DESPITE THAT THESE ILLEGALS NEVER HAD ANY RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION IN THE YEARS THEY WERE ILLEGALLY HERE COMMITTING CRIMES AND PREYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS, MANY OF THEM REPEATEDLY ILLEGALLY RE-ENTERING THE COUNTRY EVEN AFTER ALREADY BEING LEGALLY DEPORTED PREVIOUSLY.

In the case example of Kilmar Obrega Garcia, he was 1) pulled over in Tennessee by police, pulled over with 8 illegals over-packed in the car, and police determined he was human trafficking, Garcia was carrying $1500.00 in cash for payment to traffick them, he was driving in a car licensed to another known human trafficker.
2) In anoher incident Garcia, adorned in gang clothing and gang tattoos, was arrested by Maryland police in the company of multiple other known MS -13 gang members.
3) A judge later determined he was an MS-13 gang member.
4) And an appeals judge also ruled he was a gang member.

And yet you (and the oh-so-neutral objective reporters a ABC News, see all this and say Donald Trump is a threat to democracy and didn't give this guy his 5th Amendment rights (which by he way, he never respected during all the years he was in this country illegally.)

Forgive me, but that makes absolutely no sense.

Trump is a threat to democracy. The Supreme Court weighed in here and said the administration needs to facilitate Garcia’s return. Instead of complying, Trump has tried pushing a photoshopped image with gang tattoos as real, stated he could return Garcia if he wanted to, and now pretends to not understand the clear meaning of the Constitution. Constitutional rights are not dependent on if Trump decides they’re inconvenient. Yet here he is doing exactly that.


Garcia clearly is an MS-13 gang member, and there is NO WAY you can rationalize away the evidence I cited, you can only try to deceitfully front a carefully worded LOOPHOLE around the facts I cited.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is CLEARLY an MS-13 gang member, and an El Salvadoran citizen with no legal status or right to be in the United States.
Garcia has repeatedly been stopped and arrested committing gang crimes, in the company of other MS-13 gang members, wearing gang tattoos and gang clothing, and been previously deported as an illegal gang member, before illegally re-entering the U.S. again.
And Garcia has already been evaluated by a judge, and then an appellate judge, as a non-citizen El Salvadoran gang member to be deported.
He has no right to further U.S. legal process or protection.

The photos of Abrego Garcia's gang tattoos are not "photo-shopped", that's just another Democrat false narrative. Garcia's girlfriend in her social media posts photo-shopped TO TRY AND COVER UP his ACTUAL gang tattoos.
Garcia on his knuckles has 4 gang symbols for the characters M, S, 1, 3.
And while Trump seemed to think it literally said MS-13, and not symbols that spelled out the same thing, the tattoos on his 4 knuckles DO spell out MS-13 in coded letters familiar to any gang member, or to any police invesigator familiar with gangs.

The ruling to not deport Garcia was because when that ruling was made in 2019, Abrego Garcia appealed deportation to El Salvador at that time, despite being a criminal and guilty, because he alleged at the ttime a rival gang in El Salvador would kill him (which was in itself an admission that he was a member of MS-13).
But 6 years later, the other gang no longer exists, so that humanitarian reason for not reporting him as a gang member no longer is valid. He is a cittizen of El Savador.

But if honoring that technicality from 2019 (over a rival gang threat that no longer exists) , Abrego-Garcia could still be deported to any other country in the world.
If Trump were to get Garcia released from his current El Salvador prison (where he belongs) Trump could extradict Garcia back to the U.S., and then immediately deport Garcia to any other country.
But Trump cannot extradict him unless the president of El Salvador were to release Garcia, and he won't.



Trump is not a "threat to Democracy", THE DEMOCRAT-BOLSHEVIK PARTY is a threat to democracy. Democrats are trying to establish authoritarian marxist/socialist one-party rule over the United States, and as abundantly demonstrated, the Democrats control federal agencies and maliciously use federal agencies to harass, arrest, prosecute and jail their political opponents.
And the Democrat party uses Anttifa and BLM to further intimidate and silence their political opposition.
With a 97% Democrat FBI and DOJ that will not prosecute them, that just emboldens BLM/Antifa and other Democrat/Leftist radicals to further acts of intimidation and violence.

Your Democrat-Bolshevik party let in at least 20 million illegals in the last 4 years, with NO vetting, NO criminal background check, NO screening for disease.
And now you say that these 20 million, admitted through NO legal process or respect for our laws.... are allowed to stay in the U.S. with the protection of laws they clearly have no regard for?!?
NO.
Deport them immediately, as quickly as possible. That is the mandate Trump was elected on.
And anything alleged beyond that is just smoke and mirrors by a deep state trying to obstruct Trump's clear mandate, and throw a lifeline to the Democrat-Bolshevik party's controlled demolition of the United States. .

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You’ve joked about pelosi getting attacked with a hammer and attacked law enforcement for talking about j6ers assaulting them. I see you for what you are and actually support. I have principles, you have your party.

I joked about an ironic situation, where lawless corrupt insider trader Democrats like Nancy and Paul Pelosi, who cheer on Marxist revolutionary Antifa and BLM thugs, tearing down statues nationwide of Washingon, Jefferson and Lincoln, ended up being victimized by the same radical leftists and illegal immigrants that THEY cheered on being let in this country, that ended up endangering them too.
Along with endangering every other American in the country.


I attacked four FAKE police officers who were actually Democrat operatives, four specific Capitol police officers who testified in scripted false-narrative hearings.
Officers who are Democrat leftists, who behaved as Democrat operatives in House hearings about the January 6th incident at the Capitol.
Where these 4 officers read statements in House subcommittee hearings, that they clearly themselves did not write, and in fact mispronounced words and phrases that laughably were clearly outside their own vocabularies, and CLEARLY not their own words.

I condemned them, and still do, because they exaggerated or completely misrepresented what actually occurred, to conform it to a Democrat lying narrative of January 6th, demonizing the overwhelmingly PEACEFUL Trump supporters.
And the few incidents of violence and rioting that day, I see as provably committed by the many FAKE Trump supporters, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, among them John Earle Sullivan and at least 20 of his Antifa Salt Lake City group (evidenced in many of their own posted videos of January 6th).
At least 20 DHS undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters.
At least 20 FBI undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters.
And at least 10 DC Metro Police officers undercover disguised as Trump supporters.

And these are just the false-flag agents that we know of, that were admitted to being sent by these agencies.
The plan was to frame Trump supporters as violent, to trick ACTUAL Trump supporters o follow them, through smashed open windows, and have them enter the Capitol to do more vandalism.
But that FBI/Democrat plan didn't work.
When the 40,000 hours of Capitol surveillance video was finally released, virtually all the Trump supporters were released from jail, PROVEN innocent of any violence.

Despite that none of them were guilty of violence, and were at most guilty of "parading" or "trespassing" in the Capitol building, that SHOULD HAVE only gotten them at most a $300 fine, a malicious (97% Democrat) FBI and DOJ tacked on federal charges of "interrupting a government proceeding" that got them each way disproportionate YEARS of jail time.
Overcharged and badly mistreated in jail with no due process given, 1200 of the 1500 pleaded guilty to charges they were innocent of, just to end their ordeal. Many of them, unable to work while incarcerated for up to 2 and a half years, lost their homes to foreclosure, and lost their businesses and jobs, in addition to the enormous court cost of the FBI prosecuting them.

For NO REASON, other than to prop up a Democrat false narrative that Trump supporters are violent and dangerous, intended by FBI and the Biden administration to make Trump toxic to voters, and assure Trump would not be able to run for election again in 2024.
How did that work out?



And it is only perpetuated false narrative from piece of shit lying Democrat-activist zealots like you that are trying to keep that PROVEN false narrative alive at his point.

1500 innocent Trump supporters who just peacefully stood around waving flags, and outside were pounded with concussion grenades and tear gas by police (or people disguised as police, possibly FBI) to try and make them riot.
People (probably FBI agents ) disguised as Trump supporters who smashed windows on the Capitol building, who moved away police barriers and waved ACTUAL Trump supporters to go in, to basically create more entrances to get Trump supporters inside the Capitol.
To frame them, in a false-flag operation, by FBI [agents provocateur.

Harry Dunn, a black officer, lyingly fronted an incendiary Democrat narrative that Trump protesters in a crowd of thousands, over and over called him "nigger", but with dozens of cel phone cameras recording, and TV cameras from a Trump-hating news media rolling, NOT ONE has ever come forward to show the n-word used EVEN ONCE on him, so ABSOLUTELY NOTHING exists to prove this vicious lie. He just read a lying script he didn't even write alleging it, in Democrat-Bolshevik January 6th Committee testimony.

All four officers have been proven to be Democrat liars, acting as political operatives and not as police officers. Their social media showed them all four to be extremely partisan Democrats, who HATED Trump and Republicans, long before events of January 6 2021.

Michael Fanone, in incendiary rhetoric in a CNN interview said "Republicans are a cancer that needs to be carved out." Who then became a highly paid CNN contributor for several years.
Harry Dunn, whose social media posts showed him in a Black Lives Matter t-shirt, and another appearing a a Black Lives Matter rally with his son. With dozens of posts calling Trump aand all Republicans racist. If he still works for the Capitol Police, he must be intensely hated by every other officer in the department.


I previously commented on all this, repeatedly, and linked directly to the full testimony. These guys are liars, Democrat shills, no more.

And I love how Democrats are the party of BLM and Antifa, who hate cops and want to de-fund police departments nationwide.
THE FEW COPS YOU DEFEND ARE PROPS, to use only as a weapon, to attack your political opposition with a false narrative.
Only in cases like this do you EVER defend police and put on a show of righteous indignation. Only to sell your Democrat-Bolshevik narrative do you briefly PRETEND to be on the side of police officers.

You call actual law enforcement officers who were savagely attacked and injured by MAGA “fake” if they speak up about it. You worship the guy who pardoned his violent supporters that attacked them. I watch the videos of those officers being beaten by Trump supporters and read your sad pathetic political attacks on them and it’s pretty clear where you stand.

The Supreme Court ruled on Garcia that the government needs to facilitate his return. Trump clearly isn’t doing that. And it’s not just Garcia. Others are being swept up too with no due process. So we very much have an admistration that wants to get around the constitution and is blatantly ignoring the Supreme Court. Trump is a threat to democracy as he is actively breaking and ignoring laws and the plain language in the constitution itself.


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Originally Posted by M E M
You call actual law enforcement officers who were savagely attacked and injured by MAGA “fake” if they speak up about it. You worship the guy who pardoned his violent supporters that attacked them. I watch the videos of those officers being beaten by Trump supporters and read your sad pathetic political attacks on them and it’s pretty clear where you stand.

The Supreme Court ruled on Garcia that the government needs to facilitate his return. Trump clearly isn’t doing that. And it’s not just Garcia. Others are being swept up too with no due process. So we very much have an admistration that wants to get around the constitution and is blatantly ignoring the Supreme Court. Trump is a threat to democracy as he is actively breaking and ignoring laws and the plain language in the constitution itself.

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  • I attacked four FAKE police officers who were actually Democrat operatives, four specific Capitol police officers who testified in scripted false-narrative hearings.
    Officers who are Democrat leftists, who behaved as Democrat operatives in House hearings about the January 6th incident at the Capitol.
    Where these 4 officers read statements in House subcommittee hearings, that they clearly themselves did not write, and in fact mispronounced words and phrases that laughably were clearly outside their own vocabularies, and CLEARLY not their own words.

    I condemned them, and still do, because they exaggerated or completely misrepresented what actually occurred, to conform it to a Democrat lying narrative of January 6th, demonizing the overwhelmingly PEACEFUL Trump supporters.
    And the few incidents of violence and rioting that day, I see as provably committed by the many FAKE Trump supporters, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, among them John Earle Sullivan and at least 20 of his Antifa Salt Lake City group (evidenced in many of their own posted videos of January 6th).
    At least 20 DHS undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters.
    At least 20 FBI undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters.
    And at least 10 DC Metro Police officers undercover disguised as Trump supporters.

    And these are just the false-flag agents that we know of, that were admitted to being sent by these agencies.
    The plan was to frame Trump supporters as violent, to trick ACTUAL Trump supporters to follow them, through smashed open windows (smashed by undercover FBI false-flag agents), and trick actual Trump supporters to enter the Capitol and do bad acts.
    But that FBI/Democrat plan didn't work.
    When the 40,000 hours of Capitol surveillance video was finally released, virtually all the Trump supporters were released from jail, PROVEN innocent of any violence.

    Despite that none of them were guilty of violence, and were at most guilty of "parading" or "trespassing" in the Capitol building, that SHOULD HAVE only gotten them at most a $300 fine, a malicious ( 97% Democrat ) FBI and DOJ tacked on federal charges of "interrupting a government proceeding" that got them each way disproportionate YEARS of jail time.
    Overcharged and badly mistreated in jail with no due process given, 1200 of the 1500 pleaded guilty to charges they were innocent of, just to end their ordeal.
    Many of them, unable to work while incarcerated for up to 2 and a half years, lost their homes to foreclosure, and lost their businesses and jobs, in addition to the enormous court cost of the FBI prosecuting them.

    For NO REASON, other than to prop up a Democrat false narrative that Trump supporters are violent and dangerous, intended by FBI and the Biden administration to make Trump toxic to voters, and assure Trump would not be able to run for election again in 2024.
    How did that work out?



    And it is only perpetuated false narrative from piece of shit lying Democrat-activist zealots like you that are trying to keep that PROVEN false narrative alive at his point.

    1500 innocent Trump supporters who just peacefully stood around waving flags, and outside were pounded with concussion grenades and tear gas by police (or people disguised as police, possibly FBI) to try and make them riot.
    People (probably FBI agents ) disguised as Trump supporters who smashed windows on the Capitol building, who moved away police barriers and waved ACTUAL Trump supporters to go in, to basically create more entrances to get Trump supporters inside the Capitol.
    To frame them, in a false-flag operation, by FBI agents provocateur.

    Harry Dunn, a black officer, lyingly fronted an incendiary Democrat narrative that Trump protesters in a crowd of thousands, over and over called him "nigger", but with dozens of cel phone cameras recording, and TV cameras from a Trump-hating news media rolling, NOT ONE has ever come forward to show the n-word used EVEN ONCE on him, so ABSOLUTELY NOTHING exists to prove this vicious lie. He just read a lying script he didn't even write alleging it, in Democrat-Bolshevik January 6th Committee testimony.

    All four officers have been proven to be Democrat liars, acting as political operatives and not as police officers. Their social media showed them all four to be extremely partisan Democrats, who HATED Trump and Republicans, long before events of January 6 2021.

    Michael Fanone, in incendiary rhetoric in a CNN interview said "Republicans are a cancer that needs to be carved out." Who then became a highly paid CNN contributor for several years.
    Harry Dunn, whose social media posts showed him in a Black Lives Matter t-shirt, and another appearing at a Black Lives Matter rally with his son. With dozens of posts calling Trump and all Republicans racist. If he still works for the Capitol Police, he must be intensely hated by every other officer in the department.


    I previously commented on all this, repeatedly, and linked directly to the full testimony. These guys are liars, Democrat shills, no more.

    And I love how Democrats are the party of BLM and Antifa, who hate cops and want to de-fund police departments nationwide.
    THE FEW COPS YOU DEFEND ARE PROPS, to use only as a weapon, to attack your political opposition with a false narrative.
    Only in cases like this do you EVER defend police and put on a show of righteous indignation. Only to sell your Democrat-Bolshevik narrative do you briefly PRETEND to be on the side of police officers.

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Originally Posted by Wonder Boy, December 7 2023
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The clear script-reading by these officers of their alleged own "testimony", that they can't even read or pronounce, is ripe for ridicule. They absolutely were participants in a Democrat-Bolshevik narrative, NOT presenting facts, or even speaking in their own words.

Originally Posted by Wonder Boy, July 29, 2021



The full House Select January 6h Committee testimony, where these 4 officers reveal themselves to be shameless political operatives, just reading scripts they CLEARLY did not write themselves.
Humiliating themselves trying to read syntax and vocabulary words so clearly not their own that they COULD NOT EVEN PRONOUNCE THEM.

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Nobody was charged for being racist. These officers were brutally attacked by Trump supporters. We know this because we all watched it happen. POS shit Trump used his power to let his violent supporters off the hook. You can try to bs all you want but you support an evil corrupt pos.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
These officers were brutally attacked by Trump supporters.

"Antifa plants"!

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Nobody was charged for being racist. These officers were brutally attacked by Trump supporters. We know this because we all watched it happen. POS shit Trump used his power to let his violent supporters off the hook. You can try to bs all you want but you support an evil corrupt pos.

"We" watched one incident, at one door, involving a mob of about 100 guys in a hallway, confronting 5 uniformed Capitol police, who were dressed in riot gear, and after about 30 minutes, these 5 officers pushed the mob out of the hallway, and out of the Capitol building.

These officers WEREN'T seriously injured. They even joked about it in later videotaped interviews by the press.
They also didn't arrest anyone, so we don't even know who this mob were.
Actual Trump protesters?
Or Antifa , FBI, or DHS, or DC Metro Police officers, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, in a false-flag operation to FRAME Trump supporters?

I think evident points to option (B).



There were approximately 600 protesters who entered the Capitol building, through 3 different sets of double-doors in different parts of the Capitol building.
TWO of the double doors (I've posed videos of ACTUAL Trump protesters entering through those sets of doors) were held wide open BY UNIFORMED CAPITOL POLICE OFFICERS, who entered PEACEFULLY and were INVITED IN by the police.

There were approximately 600 protesters who entered the Capitol building, the overwhelming majority of whom were peaceful.
There were approximately 60 incidents of vandalism or violence charged.

And since January 6th 2021, FBI's own investigative reports indicate there were AT LEAST 20 "un-indicted co-conspirator" undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters in the crowd, there for still-undisclosed nefarious purposes, I would argue for the purpose of PRETENDING to be Trump supporters, toFRAME them for crimes they did not commit.
In addition, Department of Homeland Security in the months after admitted (as I linked, I think only to get ahead of what was going to come out about DHS anyway) that there were AT LEAST 20 MORE undercover DHS agents, als disguised also disguised as Trump supporters, and also there for still undisclosed reasons.

I also linked an admission by DC Metro Police that they ALSO had 10 undercover officers disguised as Trump supporters, for reasons still not disclosed.

And beyond that, there were also at least 20 more in the crowd including John Earl Sullivan and his Antifa Salt Lake City group, ALSO in the crowd, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, who have posted dozens of videos across every major social media forum, OPENLY GLOATING they were dressed as Trump supporters to get Trump supporters blamed for their own vandalism and violence, TO FRAME Trump supporters for their own actions.

I think there were many more government agents there disguised as Trump supporters, but these alone that they have admitted to, are at least 70 people disguised as Trump supporters, for only 60 charged criminal acts.

So I think it entirely possible that all the actual crimes committed that day (as opposed to the fake made up ones by FBI and DOJ, such as "trespassing, "parading" and "interrupting a federal proceeding" that should have at most cost them a $300 fine each, were turned by FBI's malicious prosecution into fake federal crimes that prosecuted them for 5 years or more in prison, that drove 5 innocent Trump supporters to suicide, and bankrupted and falsely imprisoned many more. )
And got 4 Trump supporters needlessly killed.



[size17pt]I think it entirely possible that most or all of the ACTUAL crimes were either committed by federal agents and police, and not Trump supporters, or were otherwise incited by federal agents.[/size] Every last ACTUAL Trump supporter was dragged in by FBI SWAT teams for prosecution. But many others clearly identtifiable in Capitol surveillance video, were never identified, never arrested, never prosecuted.

FBI only prosecuted FBI informant and clearly videotaped inciter Ray Epps because they could no longer hide his identity, and gave him a very light sentence, as contrasted with the severe sentences handed down to every ACTUAL Trump supporter.
Many others like Epps have never even been identified.
And with Kash Patel heading the FBI, and Dan Boningo as his assistant director, I want these persons identified, brought in, and their heads served on a silver platter.


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