RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Civil War III: Trump vs Musk, Which side are you on?

Marvel hasn't beaten the horse dead with CW3 yet, right? Anyway, what's everyone's take on this?

Goes to show what an absolute shithole 'Murica has turned into. Embarrassing those two assholes hold so much power and influence. Watching them publicly fight after dickriding each other makes your standard WWE storyline look good.

I can only hope that this country looks at these 2 pos and decide it’s time to flush the toilet.

Maybe now that Elon has flipped the Dems will stop busting up his cars and shooting up his dealerships. That's probably why they faked this whole fued.

https://deadline.com/2025/06/karine-jean-pierre-book-independent-1236423076/

KJP also flipped. Her flipping was probably just a stunt to sell her book. Ig and MEM,how many copies of her book are you getting?

Don’t fret Lothar, I’m sure your guys will get back together again. Trump is very old though and will probably get neutered in the midterms if republicans can’t stop people from voting.

LoTARD with the thread hijack attempt.

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First off, Trump didn't do anything wrong. He's trying to negotiate with all sides to get his large one-bill legislation past first, and then move on to other debt reduction in other legislation after.


I think Elon Musk, who is otherwise an unquestionably brilliant guy, just had a bad day and went thermonuclear with a bunch of posts on "X" to try and intimidate Trump to give him his way. Trump for months has given Musk unprecedented access to the White House for an un-elected, un-appointed person. And I think Musk, who is used to being an executive who has the ultimate power to eventually say "my way or the highway", and at some point Musk got fatigued with the tedious legislative negotiation process and had an unfortunate emotional outburst, that he particularly unfortunately chose to do very publicly on "X".

And I think Musk realized after the fact that he made a terrible mistake, and has quietly tried to reconcile with Trump.
But Trump is just going to take a while o cool off, or maybe Trump just truly is busy with other larger issues, such as the Gaza/Israel and Russia/Ukraine wars, and China negotiations, and discussions with Senators to get his legislation passed.
I think at some point Trump and Musk will reconcile, but some of what Musk said was highly personal, where Musk really went for blood in his "X" posts (alleging Trump was going to be prosecuted for his ties to Jeffrey Epstein and under-age girls, and calling for Trump to be impeached ), and the level of slander and hurt attempted on Trump is difficult to forgive, or a least to forgive quickly.
And I think the nature of Musk's "X" attacks on Trump will permanently diminish Trump's level of trust in Musk, that Musk publicly tried to cut into Trump that deeply.


Musk has a history of manic-depressive behavior that he has been open about. And has even admitted in the past that he self medicates with Ketamine when he "gets to a really dark place". Musk has a history of blowing up in a similar thermonuclear way with business associates, and with his previous wives. He works non-stop for days and weeks and months obsessively, and at some point he blows off some steam after being so relentlessly immersed in his projects. That is how he has accomplished so much, how he has become the richest man on Earth.
Last I looked, Musk was worth about 422 billion dollars.
The next closest is Jeff Besos at 220 billion, less than half of Musk's fortune. So even if Musk temporarily declines in value even 10 or 20 billion, he's still by far the wealthiest man on Earth.
And he's not just Richie Rich or Uncle Scrooge in a vault counting his billions, he's a genius who has earned it 10 times over. And with other technologies he is simultaneously developing now, such as Tesla, rockets and space exploration, Starlink, self-driving car technology, surgically implanted brain chips that will allow paralyzed people to move things with their minds alone (Neuro-link), and other developments with open-source AI technology.
Regardless of any temporary setbacks, Musk is positioned in the next few years to become the world's first trillionaire.

If Elon Musk did nothing else further in his life, he has still changed the world and improved millions of lives immeasurably. And he is far from done inventing even more new and world-changing technologies.

So... the guy had a very public tantrum, and said some bad stuff about Trump, that even Jeffrey Eptsein's former lawyer said was absolutely untrue, that there was nothing incriminating Epstein had on Trump, that Epstein freely admitted to lawyer Schoen on many occasions (and that it was not betrayal of attorney-client privilege for Schoen to disclose this, Epstein was very open and emphatic about it, on many occasions, Epstein wanted everyone to know Trump did nothing wrong.)
Whatever Musk's intent in the moment, he has not damaged Trump.

So Musk's life and advancements go on.

And Trump's life and advancements go on.

And whether they reconcile or not, the work of both goes on.
Although I think they will reconcile. There is a great deal of good in the world they can do together. It just may take a while.

And DOGE goes on too, and has already identified at least $175 billion in fraud and waste, and at this stage DOGE investigators have not yet not even reviewed even 1% of the total U S national budget. The DOGE team Elon Musk started now continues as planned without him, by dozens of others. Musk had only planned to be part of it for 4 months to get it started, and it is continued now by others who are generously volunteering their valuable time as well. Where they, like Musk, are sacrificing time they could be using to further expand and build their own businesses and innovative technologies.

I think that is what set Musk off, that he spent four months of his time, that he literally could have earned tens of billions of dollars with, and that he further endured having Tesla cars and dealerships burned in hatred by the Democrat-Bolshevik Left.

That he endured all that, and after all those 16 and 20-hour days and weeks and months rooting out all that fraud and waste, the current negotiated bill seemed to him that Trump and the broader GOP (and certainly not the Democrats !!) didn't appreciate and utilize the work he did at great personal cost to reduce debt and waste.
And I'm sympathetic to that, but obviously, his "X" post rants were not the way to get past that road-block.

I hope that legislative obstruction will be gotten past in the long run.

And while the current legislation Rand Paul, Ron Johnson and others are saying is not enough, who are pushing for greater spending cuts and deficit reduction before the bill can be passed, I think the Republicans need to pass it with the reductions they can get now, with the narrow GOP House and Senate majorities they have, to then use that political capital to widen their majorities in the 2026 mid-term, and then go for further reductions when they have the numbers to do it.

What Trump is doing is very ambitious and high-stakes, on all fronts, and I think he will have much more leverage and popular support for greater legislative reforms 6 months or a year from now.

Man, that's hilarious in its deep irony.

The Democrat-Bolshevik party are the ones who try to deceive voters at every turn, and increasingly rely on intimidation and violence, and weaponization of government to indict and imprison their political opposition. Democrats in just the last 2 days SWATTed Kash Patel, the FBI director !
Just the latest Trump official to receive that treatment, thanks to the Democrat-Bolshevik party.
The same party orchestrating attacks on Tesla cars and dealerships, and calling for Elon Musk's assassination.
Calling for Trump's assassination.
Oh yeah, you guys on the Democrat side are SUCH defenders of democracy.

Look at what is happening right now in Los Angeles. The Democrat-Left protesters have been stepping up the violence there, attacking cops, throwing rocks and broken glass at them, blocking entire highways, escalating for 2 days, while mayor Bass and governor Newsom just sit on their hands and let it escalate.

And when Trump takes charge of the national guard that Newsom wouldn't... they ACCUSE TRUMP of causing things to escalate
And George Orwell's liberal media is propping up that fake narrative.

No.

The riots were already escalating in the days before Trump sent in troops, thanks to the same Democrat incompetents who let fires burn much of L.A. to the ground just a few months ago, and have even been preventing people from rebuilding their homes from THAT disaster.

In truth and fact, Trump is stopping the same escalation that happened in Milwaukee in 2020 and spread to 600 cities (which governor "Tampon" Tim Walz caused by his inaction for several days in 2020.) .
This is another issue where 80% of the public supports exactly what Trump is doing.

So Democrats are yet again stuck on stupid, on the 20-side of yet another 80-20 issue.

I like calling her "Cringe" Jean-Pierre.

Even CNN and MSNBC won't hire her.
She'll have to do an online video blog, like Joy Reid, Don Lemon, and Jim Acosta have sunk to, that maybe 10 people nationwide will ever look at.

Predictably, the Democrat party and liberal media are loving the Trump-Musk feud.

They hate Trump.
Because Elon Musk allied with Trump, they hate Musk. So naturally they're loving this feud, and salivating at the thought of a permanent rift between Trump and Musk, or Musk using his billions to attack Trump and Trump-aligned Republicans.

But Elon Musk has already extended peace offerings to Trump. So I think that Democrat fantasy is gone.

And just two weeks ago, Elon Musk said in televised interviews with both Sean Hannity (FOX), and then Greg Kelly (Newsmax), that he began supporting Trump because Democrats were setting the United States on a dangerous crazy-Marxist path to destruction and economic collapse, that only Trump was trying to course-correct the nation away from.

So I don't see Musk likely to ally with what he just described multiple times in nationwide media as the Democrat path to destruction, PARTICULARLY when Democrat activists are burning Musk's Tesla cars and dealerships, and calling for Musk as well to be investigated and federally prosecuted. Democrats intensely hate Musk for his perceived sins against the Democrat/Left for just being friendly with Trump. So Musk is not going to abandon Trump for Democrats who visibly still have the knives out for him.

So Musk was just joking around when he accused Dementia Don of being a pedo sex trafficker?

"My bad dude, just messin' with you and shit".

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Who knows what Musk's logic was for making those posts about Trump, saying that Trump should be investigated and should / would be impeached over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
But even David Schoen, who was Epstein's lawyer before Epstein mysteriously died, said that Epstein many times had told Schoen he had no evidence against Trump.

I think Elon Musk contributed an enormous amount of time toward DOGE, and gave over $250 milllion toward getting Trump elected in Nov 2024, and Musk was frustrated that more of the cuts he worked so hard to find weren't implemented in the final "Big Beautiful Bill" (I hate that name) legislation.
Although the final bill has not been drafted yet.
As I said, Musk was frustrated that so much work on his part was set aside, and it appears his posts were to lash back at Trump for not making those cuts happen, that Musk worked so hard to investigate and push for.

Musk also wanted a friend of his to be made head of NASA, and that was rejected by Trump as well.
I don't know what was the breaking point for Musk, but those are the visible pieces. And Musk seems to realize he went too far, and has publicly apologized and made overtures toward Trump to make peace. But even though said in momentary anger and spite, too much was said for him to ever be embraced back fully into the Trumpoverse again.

I even considered the possibility that the whole thing was all a choreographed fake break-up between Musk and Trump, so that Musk could distance himself and his businesses from Trump, and his public attacks against Trump would make Musk (and his Tesla cars) welcomed back by the Democrat/left world again. But I think the Democrat/Left remains very unforgiving of Musk, and still has the knives out for him, any chance they get.



The right comment by Musk would have been the morning after his posts to say: "Hey, I had too many shots of tequila last night, and I shouldn't have gotten anywhere near my "X" account, sorry about those posts."
Or maybe: "My cat somehow got my user-name and password, and it was actually him making all those crazy posts last night. Please disregard."

And while Elon Musk did make some apologies about a week after the fact, it still wasn't enough.

Looks like maybe the break-up was more serious than some previously thought.