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Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA founder, dead at 31 after Utah campus shooting

• Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist and founder of Turning Point USA, is dead after being shot during a campus event at Utah Valley University Wednesday.
  
  President Donald Trump confirmed Kirk's death in a post on Truth Social.
  "The Great, and even Legendary, Charlie Kirk, is dead. No one understood or had the Heart of the Youth in the United States of America better than Charlie. He was loved and admired by ALL, especially me, and now, he is no longer with us," Trump wrote. "Melania and my Sympathies go out to his beautiful wife Erika, and family. Charlie, we love you!"
  
  Kirk died after he was taken to a hospital in critical condition after being shot Wednesday at a Utah event, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.
  Video posted from the event appeared to show Kirk being shot as he spoke to the crowd from under a white pop-up tent. After the shot, the crowd dispersed, with onlookers shouting, "Run, run, run!"
  Treanor said the shooting happened at about 12:20 p.m.
  
  The suspect is not in custody, Utah Valley University said in a statement.
  
  In a statement to Fox News Digital, UVU spokesperson Ellen Treanor said: "A suspect was in custody initially, but to the best of my knowledge, that individual has been released. Our campus police are currently investigating in conjunction with the Orem police." Fox News Digital has reached out to Orem Police Department for comment.
  
  Campus police on Wednesday afternoon asked students to call a hotline and be escorted off.
  
  In a since-deleted post on Kirk's social media just hours before the attack, the conservative firebrand wrote: "WE. ARE. SO. BACK. Utah Valley University is FIRED UP and READY for the first stop back on the American Comeback Tour."
  The fall 2025 leg of the tour began at the Orem, Utah university and is "a nationwide campus tour aimed at equipping students with the tools to push back against leftwing indoctrination in academia and reclaim their right to free speech."

"The Right loved him because he was a fighter.
The Left hated him because he was effective."
-- journalist and author Merk Halperin, on Newsmax.

And that's why the Left had to kill him, because he was leading a movement that is turning the next generation conservative.

For at least 8 years I've been citing sourced example after example of how radicalized and dangerous the Democrat-Bolshevik Left is.
Luigi Mangione shooting the CEO of Untied Healthcare to death in New York City.
And then before Mangione was even captured, there were GoFundMe pages that raised almost a million dollars for his legal defense. And polls show a huge percentage of the Democrat/Left thinks it's just wonderful that CEO Brian Thompson was killed.
For WHAT exactly? What proven crime did he commit?

Eight years ago, BLM and Antifa mobs were marching through cities, carrying guillotines and effigy severed heads, invoking the French Revolution.

And actually, Democrat mobs carrying guillotines and effigy severed heads, invoking Jacobinism and the French Revolution, has been part of Democrat/Left protests since at least the Occupy Wall Street movement. That was back in 2011, and the Left's radicalism has just continued to escalate every 2 years in the 15 years since.
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1163264#Post1163264

And more recently than that, 55% of the Democrat /Left polled thinks it would be "morally right" to assassinate Donald Trump. And only slightly less at 48% think it would be morally right to kill Elon Musk.
Again, for WHAT?!? Just because you don't agree with their political views?
https://nypost.com/2025/04/07/us-ne...assassination-culture-under-trumps-rule/

There were two attempts on Trump's life in the last year, and now this.
And tons of other examples of threats and full-on violence from the Democrats, escalating, for the last 8 years. Assassinating Charlie Kirk is just the latest in a steady stream of Democrat-Bolshevik violence and intimidation.

I'm enraged, but I'm not surprised.

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Political violence from either side is unacceptable! It was just not that long ago a democrat lawmaker and her husband were assasinated plus another dem lawmaker and his wife seriously injured. WB I understand your rage and won’t find any type of humor about this horrible murder acceptable. We are different that way and I’m grateful for it.

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In better times, Charlie Kirk doing what he did best, chatting politics informally on campuses, persuading and changing minds.





Many today said Charlie Kirk almost singlehandedly got Donald Trump the under-30 vote, that swung the 2024 election about 20 points in Trump's favor. The second girl interviewed (about 20 minutes in) I just watched a day or two ago, and got a good laugh about how flustered she got, at how gently and nonchalantly Kirk blew up her talking points.

The Left portrays Kirk as very combative and angry, and because of that (said by Katy Tur on MSNBC in particular) Kirk somehow "sowed anger" and got what he deserved. But he persuaded instead of spiking the ball at every opportunity. Where others would one-up and slam people, Charlie Kirk was more playful, patient and friendly in his approach.

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Jesse Waters, opening statement, Charlie Kirk's murder - Sept 10, 2025





He makes well the point that Charlie Kirk's assassination is just the latest in an endless stream of riots, mob violence, threats, intimidation, arson, and murders by the Democrat-Bolshevik party.

The Democrat Party is nothing short of a Leninist/Stalinist or Maoist revolution. As I've said many times, virtually ALL the leaders in the Democrat party (Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack and Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders, A O-C and her squad in Congress, Elizabeth Warren, on down) all WORSHIP genocidal communist revolutionary tactics of intimidation and violence as the preferred way to intimidate and silence their opposition. This killing was not a tragic unforeseeable one-off random occurrence. This is the inevitable result of over 25 years of increasingly angry incendiary Democrat rhetoric, a steady stream of DELIBERATE violence and threats of the Democrat-Left.

Literally EVERY reporter and anchor for Fox News, Newsmax and any other conservative media, every conservative radio talk show host, every Republican Senator, House member, President, conservative candidate, conservative U S supreme Court justice, every conservative grassroots organizer like Charlie Kirk, ALL receive a CONSTANT stream of death threats and attempts on their lives.
And I've cited a number of these attempts on their lives for over 15 years, and even the ones I sourced and linked are just a fraction of the threats and attacks by Democrats, over at least 20 years. And that's not even including the Democrats in government, further weaponizing of the Obama and Biden White Houses, weaponizing of the FBI, DOJ and other federal agencies against their Republican opposition.

With the full blessing and cooperation of the Democrat-Bolshevik media.
And as I've cited in several recent polls, the media give their full blessing of grassroots Democrat violence, 55% of whom want to kill Donald Trump, and 48% who want to kill Elon Musk. And no doubt, every other Republican they disagree with. That is not the way of a Constitutional republic, that is the way of a communist revolution, trying to replace us with a one-party authoritarian Marxist system.

In a nutshell, the Democrat party is evil.

Uh...

https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1240750#Post1240750



And you can re-read pretty much that entire topic, M E M.


The same way your vicious party goes after Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., mayor Eric Adams, Sen. Robert Menendez, and any other Democrat who dares to go off the reservation and dissent from the Democrat-Bolshevik party line.
Or Andy Ngo, or Matt Taibbi, or Elon Musk, all the targets of threats or actual violence from the Democrat/Left.

In the case of the Minnesota masked shooter you mention, evidence shows the shooter is a Democrat himself, who violently tried to shut down Democrat leaders who dissented from the Tim Walz political agenda, who weren't fanatically Democrat-Bolshevik enough for him.

Likewise Jared Loughner who shot Rep. Gabby Giffords. Your side tried to label Loughner as a "right wing shooter" motivated by "extremist" Sarah Palin rhetoric.
But every high school firend, classmate, co-worker and neighbor who knew Loughner said he was a "left-wing pothead". To the extent that Loughner wasn't just certifiably insane.

Likewise, your side also tried to label the Sandy Hook elementary school shooter, the Aurora, Colorado movie theatre shooter, George Zimmerman and many other shooters initially as "right-wing, "Tea Party" and "motivaed by extremist right wing rhetoric", as Democrats and the liberal media tried to scapegoat these shoottings onto Republicans.
But no, they were all DEMOCRAT/LEFT shooters, not Republican shooers. They all turned out to be Democrats within a few days, when the actual facts were disclosed.

Again I’m glad we’re different this way. You down played jokes about this. And the assassin that had a hit list of dem lawmakers,was a far right prolifer and Trump supporter is to be taken seriously about Waltz asking him to assassinate people? You are only fooling yourself at best.

“I can't stand the word empathy. I think it's a made-up, new-age term that does a lot of damage”-Charlie Kirk

I would disagree

“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights,”

Again I disagree

BREAKING: Journalist and college professor Stacey Patton goes viral by penning a stunningly powerful statement about how she was on Charlie Kirk’s “digital hit list” and recounting the horror that he inflicted on her.

We cannot allow this tragic assassination to whitewash Kirk’s legacy…

“I am on Charlie Kirk’s hit list,” Patton wrote to her 215,000 followers on Facebook. “His so-called ‘Professor Watchlist,’ run under the umbrella of Turning Point USA, is nothing more than a digital hit list for academics who dare to speak truth to power. I landed there in 2024 after writing commentary that inflamed the MAGA faithful. And once my name went up, the harassment machine roared to life.”

“For weeks my inbox and voicemail were deluged. Mostly white men spat venom through the phone: ‘bitch,’ ‘c*nt,’ ‘n****r.’ They threatened all manner of violence,” she continued.

“They overwhelmed the university’s PR lines and the president’s office with calls demanding that I be fired,” Patton wrote. “The flood was so relentless that the head of campus security reached out to offer me an escort, because they feared one of these keyboard soldiers might step out of his basement and come do me harm.”

“And I am not unique,” she added.

“Kirk’s Watchlist has terrorized legions of professors across this country. Women, Black faculty, queer scholars, basically anyone who challenged white supremacy, gun culture, or Christian nationalism suddenly found themselves targets of coordinated abuse,” Patton wrote.

“Some received death threats. Some had their jobs threatened. Some left academia entirely. Kirk sent the loud message to us: speak the truth and we will unleash the mob!” she continued.

“That is the culture of violence Charlie Kirk built. He normalized violence. He curated it, monetized it, and sicced it on anyone who dared to puncture his movement’s lies,” she wrote.

“And now, in the wake of his shooting, there’s all this national outpouring of mourning, moments of silence, yellow prayer hands, and tributes painting him as a civil debater,” Patton continued. “But the truth is that Kirk and his foot soldiers spent years terrorizing educators, trying to silence us with harassment and fear!”

“And now the same violence he unleashed on others has come full circle.”

“But what i find especially jarring is the dissonance in public mourning for a smug white man whose life work was actively hostile to certain groups,” she continued. “Kirk spent years demonizing LGBTQ people, mocking gun survivors, spewing racism about Black folks, and pushing policies that literally shorten lives.”

“It is so revolting to watch a bipartisan wave of grief sweep over this hateful racist as if he was a neutral community servant,” she concluded.

This is pure unvarnished truth from Patton. Charlie Kirk did not deserve what happened to him, but nor did his victims deserve the hell that he unleashed on them. If Americans are going to build a more peaceful future for ourselves we must condemn political violence while also condemning the hateful, bigoted rhetoric that made Kirk a multimillionaire.

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Blaming the victim, right M E M ?

Because Charlie Kirk had some controversial views that the Democrat/Left disliked, he deserved to die, right, M E M?
Because he voiced dissent from Democra/Left orthodoxy he "caused his own death", right M E M?

That is exactly what every liberal media outlet has been saying for the last 72 hours.

Well, how about THIS, M E M :
Conservatives say things you don't like, and you don't kill us. Because they are just words, and First Amendment free speech, and one half of what should be a political dialogue. And killing someone for just voicing a political opinion doesn't "cause their own deaths", when YOU, THE DEMOCRATS kill us just for voicing opinions you don't like.
You have a right to voice a counter-argument in an open public dialogue, or to simply walk away or change the channel, and not listen.

You do NOT have an entitled right to kill us for voicing opinions you don't like, and for airing facts you can't dispute.

Charlie Kirk (or any conservative) voicing ideas that are "controversial" or that you just don't like doesn't excuse violence of those on the Democrat/Left side, or rationalize when you violently attack or kill us.

YOU, THE DEMOCRATS are the ones who are intolerant, YOU are the ones who get frustrated and have a lack of ability to defend your destructive Leftist ideas, and therefore (in the tradition of Stalinism, Maoism, and Alinsky-ism that your side openly worships), consistently since at least 2008, opt for intimidating your opposition into silence, or violently attacking them, or killing those who voice views you don't like.


Particularly in the last 3 days, I've been angry enough to kill the Democrat/Left people saying these things about Charlie Kirk's assassination, and their further rationalization for attacking Trump supporters over the last 10 years now,. Because these Democrat maniacs have proven they are a threat to everyone. But I never will become a participant in such violence because :

1) It would be disproportionate. While I dislike their words, and we've seen among the Democrat/Left, those words for at least 10 years consistently excuse and incite violence on Trump supporters, their words themselves are not murder. And to kill them for their words alone would be disproportionate.

2) Much as I despise these Democrat / Leftists for the incendiary verbal poison they put out there, whether by Democrat senators, Democrat House members, or Democrat/ Lefi pundits in the liberal media, every one of these maniacs has a mother and father and people who love them, and I could not cause them that kind of grief, of having a loved one killed, no mater how incendiary and full of venom these nutcases are. That is not my right. And it would again, be disproportionate.

3) There is a Bible verse: "Vengeance is mine, says the Lord." If you take vengeance and kill someone, or violently attack them, you deprive God of His vengeance, and interfere with God's plan. And whether in this life or the next, God administers justice at His chosen time, working all things for the good of those he loves, in a greater plan for the world that is beyond our human understanding. It is not my right or anyone else's to interfere with that plan.



And getting out of hypotheticals and getting into the 10 years of ACTUAL threats, violence and murder of the Democrat / Left...
If you manage to kill and/or silence all conservatives you disagree with, you will eventually do the same to the people in your own party who you judge to not be Democrat/Bolshevik enough, so you'll purge them, and kill them too. Will THEY have deserved it too? Will they have "caused their own deaths" too ?
Democras have already proven their move in this direction, in their purging, violence, intimidation, death threats and actual attempts on he lives of RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, mayor Eric Adams, Sen. Robert Menendez, reporter Andy Ngo, reporter Matt Taibbi... and former Democrat billionaire Elon Musk, who as I cited above, 48% of Democrats polled think should be killed for leaving the party.

So... it's not speculation that Democrats after killing off Republicans, would then kill off all Democrats who aren't Democrat-Bolshevik enough, Democrats are ALREADY doing this to their own, and have been for many years.
When RFK Jr was running for president, in 2023-2024 then-president Joe Biden denied RFK Jr Secret Service protection, and there were multiple attempts on RFK Jr's life, even before the two attempts on Trump's life. Democra party-stoked hatred and unhinged mob violence have been a centerpiece of Democrat-Lef ideology for about 25 years now.

As I've cied many times, Democrat leaders openly worship the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che Gueverra, Castro, Hugo Chaves, the Sandinistas, Saul Alinsky, Communist China, and other Marxist/Left regimes, and as I've cited repeatedly, Democrats in the Clinton and Obama administrations even openly quoted these communists while they were in the White House: Van Jones, Ron Bloom, Mark Llloyd, Anita Dunn, Robert Reich and others.
And for that matter, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Barack and Michelle Obama were all deeply indocrinated in the communist/Cultural Marxist way of thinking. Barack Obama taught Sal Alinsky's Rules For Radicals tactics to classrooms of ACORN "community organizer" Marxist street agitators, and within ACORN, Obama was called "the unchallenged master" of Alinsky tactics.

. And Hillary Clinton was deeply tied to and in constant communication with Saul Alinsky, and cheered Alinsky on in the months leading up to first publishing his Rules For Radicals book. Hillary was going to work for Alinsky, until she got an offer to work for the Rose Law Firm.

You're a far-Left indoctrinated zealot, so OF COURSE, when the time comes, you will think these dissenting Democrats too "caused their own deaths".
You can rationalize ANYTHING the maniacs in your party do.
Just as the maniacs in the French Revolution, Russia, China, and Germany could.


And as I've cited many times, your party is already doing that already, even to Democrat/Leftists like Andy Ngo, Matt Taibbi, Elon Musk, Lara Logan, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., mayor Eric Adams, and former senator Robert Menendez.

The last two (mayor Eric Adams, and Sen. Robert Menendez) were corrupt to the core , and the Democrat-Bolshevik party protected them for decades. But unleashed federal indictments within days of when they publicly questioned the Democrat party line of letting in 20 million illegal immigrants that were overwhelming cities and whole states under Biden's presidency.
So no one is safe in your maniac authoritarian Democrat one-party world, M E M. Not even you.

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And by the way...


Charlie Kirk assassination suspect Tyler Robinson named, mugshots released



And I love the way Wikipedia downplays his death :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Charlie_Kirk

They euphemistically diminish his death as a "killing", as if he just died in a car accident, or a tree fell on him.
No, he was murdered, he was assassinated, by a hate-filled political rationalization. That clearly to a man and woman, every Democrat House and Senate member, and every liberal media pundit agrees with, and excuses, as if he "caused his own death".

Wikipedia also bends over backwards to not even mention the assassin's name.
O the gay/trans messages he scratched on the bullets he didn't use in the shooting.

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from the same Fox News link :

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  A popular Ohio barbecue restaurant is facing major backlash after one of its co-owners called conservative activist Charlie Kirk a "piece of s--t" in a social media post following his assassination.
  
  Shortly after Kirk, 31, was shot Wednesday while speaking at a campus event in Utah, Aaron Sharpe, co-owner of Lucius Q in Cincinnati, commented on a Facebook post from someone offering prayers for the husband and father of two.
  
  "Good riddance," Sharpe wrote in a post that is no longer publicly visible but has been circulated widely online in screenshots. "What a piece of s--t," he added.
  
  On Wednesday evening, Sharpe doubled down on Facebook, posting: "Don't you dare come at me with your hypocrisy. … If you think that threats of social media attacks on me or my business will in any way keep me silent about what I believe, you are sorely mistaken."
  
  Many of his social media posts expressed criticism of President Donald Trump, who was an ally of Kirk. A 22-year-old suspect in Kirk's assassination has been arrested, law enforcement officials said Friday.
  
  Fox News Digital has reached out to Sharpe for comment. By late Friday morning, his Facebook account appeared to be deactivated.
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  This is an excerpt from an article by Fox News Digital's Deirdre Bardolf.

"Piece of shit".
Wow.

That vile person, facing a public backlash, sounds just like... YOU, M E M.
Exactly like you.

Gee, what kind of unreasoning hatred and incendiary rhetoric might have incited the guy who shot Charlie Kirk, and so many other attacks on Republican conservatives in the last 10 years?
Wow, I can' imagine.

So I laughed at a sarcastic joke that this DEMOCRAT killer in a Michael Myers/Halloween mask was described by Senator Mike Lee as "Nightmare on Walz Street" (a reference that it occurred in Walz's state, apparently shot a Democrat state legislator and her husband because she didn't vote in line with Walz policy). Mike Lee just made a remark that ACCURATELY summed up the situation with a bit of sarcasm.

And you deem yourself superior for thinking Charlie Kirk "caused his own death" and deserved to die? And no doubt celebrate that he was killed, like the thousands of other Democrat-Bolsheviks posting their glee that Charlie Kirk was shot and killed, literally millions posting on social media to that effect, in video blogs, and interviewed by reporters in the street.
You REALLY think you are superior for thinking that way ?!?
NO ONE 'deserves" or "caused their own death" just by saying words you don't like, M E M.

Context, please?





Again... context, please?

MY context is, you misrepresent whatever Charlie Kirk's actual quote was, because people who LEGALLY have guns and concealed carry are a deterrent to crime, and actually save lives, because they are able to defend themselves and others when criminals try to prey on them.
We consistently see that in mass shootings, criminals are taken out faster than even the police could possibly arrive, and that saves lives and results in less people getting killed. And places that are gun free zones are selected as targets consistently, and in those cases, MORE people are consistently killed.

It is a FACT that twice as many stabbing deaths occur than gun deaths annually. Should we outlaw knives?
The guy who stabbed a Ukrainian girl on a train in Charlotte, NC, used a knife, not a gun.

It is a FACT that about 60% of "gun deaths"( in that deliberately misleading liberal term), implies an exaggeratedly high number of shootings, and hides that about 60% of that total every year are suicides, who would without a gun just overdose on sleeping pills, or jump off a building.


If all guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have 'em.
-- redneck gun owners' phrase

A couple pictures are worth 2,000 words...





"RESISTANCE. "

Oh yeah, she looks TOTALLY middle of the road, NOT AT ALL a radical leftist college professor forcing a radical leftist agenda down the throats of students in her classes, who should be pushed out of teaching at a university for her clear off-the-deep-end far-left views.

And if that doesn't make it clear enough :


Oh heck yeah. TOTALLY middle of the road.

From her LinkedIn page :

• https://www.linkedin.com
  
  How to be strategically radical in a system that's broken

It looks to me like Charlie Kirk perfectly selected her for the list of professors to object to, who are pushing a radical agenda. She seems obsessed with race and being black, and calling white people racist.
She even railed on comedian Greg Gutfeld for allegedly being racist, for Gutfeld joking "Nazi is the N-word for whites."
The woman has no sense of humor.


She was educated at, and taught at, several black-only universities. And the papers who published her articles are like a who's who of liberal radicalism. Al Jazeera?!?
I notice she's also frequently interviewed on a number of far-Left marxist shows and blogs, such as Democracy Now.
Please.
She's not being bullied, she's being outed by TurningPointsUSA for exactly what she is.

I notice a lot of the linked groups coming to her defense are gay, trans, Marxist Left, intersectionality, race-obsessed leftist blogs. This one...

• https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-hit-list-stacey-patton/

"ThePinkNews"... What is that... Code Pink?


Just the terminology they use to label THEMSELVES tells you how offensively far-left radical they ALL are.
And the terminology they choose to character-assassinate anyone who disagrees with them ( "white supremacy, Christian nationalism"...)

Way the hell off the deep end.

I'm 62 years old, and I've literally met thousands of Republicans, Reagan conservatives, Gingrich revolution, Tea Party, and MAGA Trump supporters. At churches, in bars, at parties, at political fundraisers, I've met and spoken to candidates and high level staffers, politically active lawyers, and grassroots organizers. And I've never met anyone in all that time (since 1980) who identifies as a "White supremacist" or a "Christian Nationalist", or as a KKK member, or of some other such racist group.
And no one I've met in all that time would want a second meeting with anyone they met identified themselves like that, if they actually existed and approached us. Even the term "right wing" or "far right" I've never heard anyone identify themselves as. I myself identify as just as "conservative" or "Reagan conservative" or maybe "very conservative".

If I hear anyone call conservatives "right wing" or "far right" or "alt right", or "right wing extremist", I laugh inside, and know immediately they are Democrat/Leftists, who are STEREOTYPING conservatives, so they can rationalize their fear and hate of Republican conservatives. Or who are attempting to slander conservatives and render them toxic to the politically uninformed.

And a huge slice of these doing so are college professors I run into socially. It's plain to see why Charlie Kirk and TurningPointUSA are targeting the exact people trying to indoctrinate and poison the minds of the next generation, at hundreds of universities nationwide. Academics who have been doing so with increasing boldness for decades.
These Stacey Patton-type academics are not "speaking truth", they are brainwashing the uninformed, young and impressionable. And they need to be driven out, to fix what they have broken at our universities, for the last 30 to 50 years.

You’re ignoring what I’ve actually posted about no political violence being acceptable WB. You have demonstrated that you are ok with political violence as long as you see a benefit to “ your side”. Someone on Jan 6 encouraging an angry mob to kill law enforcement is ok for a job at the DOJ. This individual has said that he felt killing those cops would have been justified. No way that is acceptable yet there he is safe in his job while others are fired for working on assignments they didn’t choose. Those that did actually assault law enforcement for Trump that day were let go by Trump. And when a prolife Trump supporter assassinated a democratic lawmaker and her husband, Trump tried blaming the democrat governor. Mike Lee made disgusting jokes. All ok in your book. You are not a victim but part of the problem.

Charlie Kirk didn’t certainly didn’t deserve to die but he made a living dividing this country with hate. At one point he called for patriots to bail out the guy who attacked Pelosi with a hammer. I know he was saying the attack was awful but at the same time he was using the attack to try to make some argument that because it was Pelosi, the attacker was being treated differently. And republicans such as yourself still joke about it. I believe you when you say you are angry enough to kill democrats but won’t. We are different that way. While I’m sad and disappointed in so many Trump supporters like yourself I’ve never been to the point of wishing death on you much less killing anyone. When Harris lost the election like many I was angry but there wasn’t an angry mob at the capitol for that Jan 6. Harris wasn’t trying to use lies and conspiracy stories to undo the election. And if she had tried there wouldn’t have been the support for it by liberals like myself because that would be wrong like it was when Trump tried staying in power. I fear Kirk’s assassination will be used by Trump to create more violence that benefits those in power. He already automatically blamed the left for it before anyone was caught. It’s an opportunity for him.

I did some of Kirk’s quotes because I think they speak for themselves. I don’t agree with either of them. We stand out from other countries because of gun deaths. It’s because we don’t have common sense gun control. This doesn’t happen in other countries like it does here but because we have insane rules on guns. Empathy according to Kirk was a woke term. It’s something sociopaths lack and I suppose if you see me as an enemy it’s something exploitable to use. I think empathy though makes people better. It leads to something better for all of us.

And there are still questions about the assassins motives. It is possible he was a groyper that is an alt right movement that saw and targeted Kirk for being to mainstream. So far we have some shell casings with memes on them. He was on the internet a lot yet we know nothing about what he posted. He never voted but came from what you would consider a good Trump supporting Republican family. His family has said he disagreed with Kirk’s views but in what way?

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Charlie Kirk debates college professors





It's actually five professors: Three American professors, and two English/South Africans at Oxford.

While the first two are hard to understand, they talk so fast, they still manifest well what I'm sure they do in the classroom, ramming their self-righteous liberal views down he throats of their students, with a very my-way-or-the-highway intolerance.
And while each tried initially to come off as neutral, objective, and "just the facts", each quickly revealed themselves to have a less than objective inability to even listen to the fact that Trump could be right, and be pursuing unprecedentedly good policy, to rebuild the country and make us the global leader for the next century. Or for these professors even be open to any facts at all that diverge from their liberal orthodoxy.

Despite the last Brit lady saying "Entertainment is on his side for you [pointing at Charlie Kirk] , and education is on this side for you [pointing to the snooty academics on her side]", she quickly manifests herself to be emotionally unhinged, bristling with partisan contempt, and makes one unsubstantiated insinuation after another, that Charlie Kirk, when finally permitted to respond, quickly corrects beautifully with the actual facts.

I thought the 3rd American professor came off the best, and the first older British professor. But in all cases, their biases, and at many points their often explosive outbursts of uncontrollable contempt, gave away their inability to break their own programming, unable to even listen to arguments and supporting facts in favor of Trump's actions and policy.

Oh yeah.... I guess it's just... THE WEIRDEST COINCIDENCE that the shooter ranted over a family dinner a few days before, how evil right wing and Hitler-like Charlie Kirk was, and mentioned that he was very aware that Charlie Kirk was in town. There's no way FBI could mistake his years of group-chats online, and his many leftist comments to people in person, or his Antifa messages scratched on the bullets in his gun, for it to be credibly spun that shooter Tyler Robinson is a conservative who wanted to kill Charlie Kirk for not being conservaitve enough.

That lead balloon won't fly, and has nothing to back it up.

Tyler Robinson is by every piece of evidence a gay/trannie "furry" weirdo, he is clearly NOT a conservative. It's abundantly clear Robinson is a creature of the Democrat/Left, pumped up by the rhetoric of the Left.

Anything I’ve read about the shooter, it gets vague about motive. What views of Kirk’s did the shooter oppose? Given what we know so far it wasn’t Kirk’s position on guns. And the one that says if you’re reading this you must be gay? That doesn’t sound like something gay friendly does it?

I liked watching Charlie Kirk debates. I generally like debates - probably why I made this forum category.

I tended to disagree with many stances Charlie had, but I also respected that he was usually cordial in the debate. (in contrast I often agree with bill maher but hes sortuva dick). I enjoy hearing opinions different from my own, when shared cordially, as it feels more like education and widening of aperture. I don’t have to agree, but it’s helpful to understand. I often watched clips of his on TikTok from the various college campus tours - and a few of those “one guy debates 20 others” clips (I dunno what those are called but they’re usually fun to watch). it wasn’t always clean or cordial, or fair, but it was discourse. that’s good.

now, to be clear, Charlie said some shit. That’s not cool.

also to be clear, his being murdered is beyond awful. for everyone. (note: I legit don’t understand the distinction between assassination and murder. I disagree with the maybe the elevation to flags lowered, but whatever term it needs to be is fine by me)

political violence is bad. regular violence is bad! the temperature is too hot. the convo I joined in this forum a few weeks back is in the same exact bad state. last one was liberal, this one is conservative, neither label actually matters, as folks are being hurt or killed because of opinions or words or lifestyles.

Lefties Losing It: The left is celebrating Charlie Kirk’s murder



M E M, to put it as nicely as I can, you are deeply aligned with the Left and TEN YEARS of incendiary Democrat/Left rhetoric and calls for violence, that you have NEVER dissented from.

You almost daily for about 8 years call Donald Trump a "P O S", you demonize every last person who was present at the January 6th 2021 Capitol protests, ignoring all the evidence that they were set up and framed by at least 26 admitted Trump-hating false-flag undercover FBI (and many believe the number of FBI agents provocateur that day were acually "over 200").
And by at least 20 (hat DHS iself admitted to) false-flag DHS disguised as Trump supporters.
And by at least 10 (that DC Metro admitted to) undercover DC Metro PD disguised as Trump supporters.

And by at least 20 Antifa SHOWN GLOATING IN THEIR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEOS, shown disguising themselves as Trump supporters and giggling about it, and gloating on video about tricking and framing Trump supporters for their own violence and vandalism.

And you ignore that with face recognition technology where they should at this point, and could over 4 years ago with face-recognition technology, been able to identify every person photographed in and around the Capitol that day, but there are a least 20 persons photographed that were never identified, that FBI actually took down their photos early on from their FBI tips website, because they don't want them identified, because these are the FBI's own false-flag agents, who worked to frame rump supporters and incite violence that day.

And despite all that false-flag set-up, Trump protesters were overwhelmingly peaceful that day, and the few incidents of violence that day, either false-flag FBI or false-flag Antifa, were at the center of every bad moment. Both FBI director Christopher Wray, and FBI deputy director of counter-intelligence Jill Sanborn both UNDER OATH in Senate hearings, refused to answer or deny that FBI agents were inciting and/or directly committing acts of violence that day.
CASE CLOSED.
FBI was orchestrating it, to frame Trump.

Capitol police that day, faced with a peaceful Trump crowd of tens of thousands just waving flags that didn't fit their desired narrative, fired concussion grenades and tear gas into the peaceful crowd over and over, to try and make them riot, to try and create an "insurrection" that didn't actually exist. And you try to twist a handful of incidents (I would argue all violence and vandalism on Jan 6th was externally incited by FBI and Antifa, not independenly haappening by Trump supporters), done by FBI and other non-Trump supporters to falsely portray the entire 100,000-plus ACTUAL Trump supporters as violent "insurrectionists".

You maliciously continue to prop up that false narrative, that was disproven 3 years ago.
Such is your hatred for Trump and his supporters., and your eagerness to slander them as a whole, just to advance a Democrat false political narrative.

And with all that hatred of yours of the president you call "P O S" almost every day on these boards, for he last 8 years... We're supposed to believe that despite the absolute evil glee over Charlie Kirk's assassination by pretty much the entire Democrat / Left (see the above SkyNews clip documenting that glee and hate) ... that with your own expressed hate here of Trump and Charlie Kirk... you DON'T think Charlie Kirk deserved to die ? For more than 10 years, you agree with these Democrats, the Leftest of he Left, on every talking point., who say Charlie Kirk and Trump are pure hate, Hitler, and evil incarnate, but now on his ONE POINT after parroting their every talking point for over 10 years, you suddenly disagree and don't support Charlie Kirk's assassination, he guy you just described as "spreading hate" every day of his life.

That rather strains credibility.


Despite all this evidence, that I have been citing for OVER four years, M E M, you still act like every Trump supporter there on Jan 6 was an "insurrectionist" despite no guns, no bombs, no killings (except of 5 Trump supporters, even Brian Sicknick was a Trump supporter) . Despite overcharging of "trespassing" and "parading" to manufacture fake FBI federal charges to force 1,500 of them to sign false confessions or face years or even decades in prison if they didn't, for what should have just been a $300 fine each at most, and even that minor trespassing charge they were framed and entrapped into, by police or false-flag FBI removing the barricades, and even police opening wide the Capitol's double door enrances and inviting them inside.

You have absolutely no sympathy for Ashli Babbitt who was UNARMED and never seen committing any vandalism or violence, and as I've shown, was actually confronting the false-flag Trump supporters and trying TO STOP them from committing vandalism or violence. But you think she deserved to die. And you have no problem with Lt. Michael Byrd shooting dead this UNARMED girl, who when killed was shot through the glass panel of a locked door, absolutely not a threat to anyone.
And Michael Byrd, who should be in prison for murder, was instead actually promoted to Captain by his corrupt department.

You've never voiced a single word of objection to the most incendiary calls for violence by every Democrat leader up and down the spectrum : Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Cory Booker, Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Maxine Waters, on and on.

But you, who believe and support every word of your Democrat-Bolshevik party and its lying talking points and parrot them every day, at every turn... now say you" DON'T believe Charlie Kirk deserved to die."
But in the second clause of that very same sentence, you say " but he made a living dividing this country with hate."

Firs of all, I don't think Kirk "made a living dividing the country with hate", he encouraged debate and dialogue to find common ground. As I've posted multiple clips of Charlie Kirk engaged in, on college campuses nationwide. He was so "filled with hate" that... he persuaded a 43% swing in voters under 30 in the 2024 election for Trump, that was previously about 18% Democrat-leaning, and swung that to a 21% margin in favor of Trump. Clearly a lot of them Democrats.
Wow, what a hateful guy.
If he were so full of hate, they would not have been reached and persuaded. I love the guy in the clip of one college crowd above, who Kirk asked if he changed his mind, and the guy said "Can I have a Trump hat?" That guy 10 minutes before was a Democrat.




Regarding this little piece of deception:


No, your hypocrisy is clear. You don't support shooting of Charlie Kirk, but in 10 years of incendiary remarks by virtually every Democrat in Washington, you have NEVER condemned any of the calls for violence from virtually ALL the Democrat leaders, and I've quoted them or posted the Youtube video of them saying it MANY TIMES.
You NEVER condemn it.

Quite the contrary, you cheer it on, and express the same rhetoric about Trump and Kirk, that incited his assassination. And almost Trump too. TWICE.
And yet you still never condemn that rhetoric, and actually prop up those talking points.


You don't hear the same kind of calls for violence from Republicans, but you guys just falsely claim we are, without ever being able to quote an example. because it doesn't exist.





That is absoluely not true.. PROVE THIS. You can't, because i's a slanderous lie.




That again is a lie, hat I have answered and de-constructed a dozen times.



https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1241075#Post1241075



And here's the lengthy exchange where we went back and forth on this at least a dozen times, and I cited and sourced exactly why you're dead wrong on the facts, and how you are just manufacturing fake propaganda :

MAGA world turns to civil war fantasies topic
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1240942#Post1240942

Asked and answered.

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Watters: They’re trying to silence us




and...


shooter's trans roommate, Democrats issue insane response

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Sky News, Left's disgusting glee at Charlie Kirk's death , Democrat leaders and liberal media stoking an increasing murder culture against conservative political dissenters.

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Your lying talking points narrative, vs. what Charlie Kirk actually said :

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MILLIONS leave the Democrat party, due to its celebrating Charlie Kirk's death



Despite the very low-key quiet graphics, a very eloquent edittorial :

"More and more Democrats are coming to the realization that their party has more in common with Al Qaida than with America. And they want no more to do with it."

"The turn toward radical violence almost always represents the death rattle of a political movement, that has fundamentally lost the ability to persuade."
"Violence becomes the refuge of the politically impotent."




and...


more unhinged liberals fired for celebrating Charlie Kirk's death



"As you can see... the more you fuck around, the more you're going to find out."

From comments :

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Unhinged attempts to frame Republicans for Charlie Kirk’s murder - Sky News





Seriously, M E M, how can you even try to attempt defending this pure unhinged evil?

The collected clips I've shown here in the last few posts cite maybe 200 examples, and there are literally millions more hate-filled liberals gloatingly celebrating Kirk's death that can be cited, from Youtube and other social media. They not only gleefully celebrate the death of a guy who was by every account a really kind person with a wife and two young children, who despite his fame and influence was very generous with his time helping others get started and giving them interviews of him, but these Leftists over and over deliberately misrepresent what Charlie Kirk did with Turning Point, slander him and use fake made-up quotes, to rationalize killing him.

AGAIN : If you just don't like someone's First Amendment free speech, that does NOT rationalize or give you license to kill them. Charlie Kirk did not "deserve to die", he did not "cause his own death".

And if this continues, Charlie Kirk will just be the first of many more. Perhaps on both sides at some point. How many violent attacks do Conservatives have to endure, before they start retaliating? And not just Charlie Kirk, and not just this year, the Left has already killed many more or almost killed many others, in recent years. Antifa killed two Trump supporters in the 2020 election cycle. Riots, looting, 2,000 injured police, and 25 murders in 600 cities nationwide in 2020 during the George Floyd riots. And many lesser Antifa/BLM riots and attacks.

They almost killed reporter Andy Ngo.
They almost killed Donald Trump TWICE in 2024. And that is far from a complete list.
The Left has indulged in violence and intimidation and murder for at least the last 8 years, and I've already cited many examples.

• https://www.conservapedia.com/Left-wing_violence_in_the_Trump_era
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...es-600-incidents-of-violence-harassment/

HOW COME NOBODY QUOTES MY POST

For me it’s sort of the twilight zone. Trump has freed people that violently went after law enforcement in his name. And his base seems to be ok with it. And he seems to be set to use Kirk to go after his political foes. What would have been acceptable not that long ago is now the norm. I honestly hadn’t watched anything with Kirk in it till he was assassinated and now I get the impression of how huge the white wash is. At one point he was saying Biden should be locked up for treason or even be executed! Charlie Kirk should still be alive today but the treason and execution stuff is garbage that he helped normalize.

Thanks for a break in the crazy!

M E M, your posts ARE the crazy !

I've been over the events of January 6th about a billion times, cited and sourced, but you are utterly immune to logic and facts, and just go back and back to your disproven lying Democrat talking points narrative.

There were "well over 100,000" people in the ellipse around the White House and the Capitol that day.

There were at least 15,000 peaceful Trump protesters who gathered in front of the Capitol, after leaving Trump's speech from 12 noon to 1:10 PM (and the first unrest outside the Capitol started about 12:40 PM, WHILE TRUMP WAS STILL SPEAKING, so clearly NOT Trump supporters, who would have still been watching Trump's speech at 12:40, for another half hour.
So that supports that it was NOT Trump supporters who started the rioting, but false-flag agents. NOT Trump supporters. Trump finished his speech at 1:10 PM, and it would have taken ACTUAL Trump supporters who would not have missed any of his speech about 48 minutes to walk from the White House lawn where Trump spoke, over to the Capitol building, and walking is the only way to go there, no public transportation. So they would have arrived at the Capitol about 1:58 PM , not a 12:40 PM)

As I've said many times there were at most 600 who went inside the Capitol building, and of even those few, there were only about 60 who were accused of violent crimes or vandalism. And I'm thoroughly convinced by the at least 26 undercover agents in the crowd FBI has admitted to , the 20 undercover admitted DHS agents, the 10 undercover admitted DC Metro police officers, and the at least 20 [/i]self-incriminated on their own internet-posted videos [/i] members of Antifa Salt Lake City who by their own words were there to cause trouble and frame Trump supporters,

ALL DISGUISED AS TRUMP SUPPORTERS. That is AT LEAST 76 false-flag people at the Capitol on Jan 6th, with malicious intent to frame Trump supporters, at least 76 false-flag agents, as contrasted with only 60 incidents of clashing with police, smashing windows, or other vandalism.

There is evidence that these false flag agents were responsible for most of the relatively small 60 incidents that occurred that day.



FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME, neither FBI director Christopher Wray, or assistant director Jill Sanborn would answer the direct questions in Senate hearings by Sen. Ron Johnson, by Sen Rand Paul, by Sen. Rick Scott, by Sen. Ted Cruz, about whether FBI leadership 1) directed undercover FBI agents into the Capitol crowd on Jan 6 ("Senator, I can't answer that.") ,
2) whether these undercover FBI agents INCITED violence or vandalism ("Senator, I can't answer that" ),
or 3) whether these undercover agents COMMITTED VANDALISM OR VIOLENCE THEMSELVES ("Senator, I can't answer that).

Well, that they wouldn't answer... IS the answer.


The tell, that undercover FBI in a false-flag operation did all these things. If Wray and Sanborn said yes and admitted it, they would be criminally indicted themselves, and all they orchesrated would be discovered.
If Wray and Sanborn denied it under oath, then they would be guilty of perjury when it was all revealed (and it will eventually ALL be revealed), they would in that scenario be criminally prosecuted for perjury. So instead they just "Can't answer."




Assuming your narrative that there were 60 people involved in crimes in the Capitol that day (out of 600 who went inside). that would be 10% involved in crimes who went inside. But as I said, there were way more false-flag agents in the building than there were incidents of vandalism or violence, and undercover FBI's mission was to set up and frame Trump supporters.
Just as it was the mission of the Trump-hating FBI supervisor there running his prior sting operation, Robert Trask, who SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED after the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping false-flag fiasco.
But he was instead sent by FBI to Washington DC, to supervise the framing of Trump supporters on January 6th.

If you go with the real number of 15,000 total Trump supporters that day AROUND THE CAPITOL (because FBI arrested many Trump protesters who NEVER ENTERED, who only came within 1,000 yards of the Capitol), that thins it even further, to 60 incidents out of 15,000 people, that averages out to a .004% ratio of criminal arrests. A very small ratio.

Or out of over 100,000 total present, because Jill Sanborn said in all of Washington Square they looked and did not find or confiscate ONE SINGLE FIREARM in all of Washington Square that day, it further lowers the average out to a .00006 % ratio.




Which is why FBI had to arrest all these real estate agents, business owners and grandmas who did nothing more than at most "trespassing" or "parading" that is punishable by at most a $300 fine.
So to inflate the "INSURRECTION" narrative, FBI overcharged them and made up manufactured "FEDERAL charges" that turned these misdemeanor fines into YEARS in federal prison.

And you are so eager to give the Democrat-Bolsheviks an "insurrection" political narrative that you cheer on this massive abuse of FBI/federal power for these NON-CRIMES, just to give your vicious Bolshevik party a political weapon to demonize Trump and his supporters. While pointlessly tormenting a lot of innocent people.

And WORSE, they were put in prison cells wih moldy plumbing and unclean drinking water, with toilets that would not flush, and they were not given soap and shampoo to bathe, they were not given razors to shave, so for VERY MINOR MISDEMEANOR OFFENSES, they were treated worse than any Al Qaida prisoner. They had Democrat-zealot guards, including the prison warden, who regularly posted their hate of hem and Trump on social media, abused them, threatened them, put them for arbitrary reasons for long periods in solitary confinement , beat them in their cells, deprived some with cancer of medications, so their cancer came back.
If they told others outside about their prison conditions and mistreatment, or even asked for a lawyer, they were beaten in their cells. One was so badly beaten, it fractured the orbital bone surrounding his eye socket. And then guards refused him medical treatment for the fracture, for all the months he was in prison. Just left him that way, to heal incorrectly.

That is how lawless, how filled with hate, your Democrat-Bolshevik party is.



And you are just as bad, M E M, to know these things and not care. To cheer it on.
These people's lives, over piddly misdemeanors, were ruined. Young fathers who were separated from their wives and young children, no contact, visitation or release... for "trespassing".
Held in prison FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS

Till Republicans finally won the House majority and months afer being inaugurated, Mike Johnson finally allowed even a portion of the 40,000 hours of Capitol surveillance video to be made public, that PROVED THEIR INNOCENCE, that almost all were then finally vindicated and released.




But many were not released until several weeks after Trump was inaugurated in January 2025. Merrick Garland's malicious weaponized FBI went on with new arrests and prosecutions of these INNOCENT people right on up through the day Trump was inaugurated.

And even on past inauguration, the EVIL Democrat Bolsheviks in DOJ and FBI even further delayed Trump's authorization for their pardon and release, by secretly flying them to other prisons, done to hide where the Jan 6 prisoners were, so no one could find them for a few weeks, to maliciously delay their pardon and release.

EVIL.





Okay, let's go with an argument that 60 out of the 1,500 arrested were actually guilty of "violent" crimes (I still say they were almost all set up and framed, and FBI agents and Antifa caused most of the vandalism and violenceon Jan 6, to frame them.)
But okay, let's go with the argument of 60 actual crimes.

First off, these 60 DID serve in jail, each of them, for up to 3 or 4 years before pardoned.

What is the average sentence for a bar fight, or violent assault, or urinating on someone's desk, or theft of letters or a podium later recovered, or for vandalism, or for smashing a window? I'd say each of them, even after pardoned, served WAY beyond what someone would normally serve for any of those offenses.
And in the case of violent offenses, Trump didn't pardon them, just clemency, released with time served.

For comparison, I looked up all the Watergate burglars a few years ago. Some only served a few days or weeks in jail, some served a year or two. Gordon Liddy served the longest because he would not assist prosecutors or take a plea bargain, so he was sentenced to 20 years, and Jimmy Carter finally let him out of prison after 7 years, by far the longest who served. On average overall, most served about 18 months.

So how much is enough, M E M? For "trespassing" or "parading"?



Or in the worst cases punching a cop, or smashing a window? How much is enough time to satisfy your Democrat narrative, or Bolshevik need for revenge?

As contrasted with all the BLM and Antifa leftists, who never served a day in jail, who tried to burn cops and federal agents alive in their cars or buildings with Molotov cocktails, who permanently blinded officers with lasers pointed at their eyes for hours as officers held the line durng riots. Who tthe 97% Democrat DOJ and FBI never prosecuted AT ALL, who never even had to hire a lawyer.

What about the other 1,500 arrested for January 6th, who were just "trespassing" and "parading", MISDEMEANORS that warranted at most a $300 fine, but were held in jail indefinitely without trial, and costing each Trump supporter on average $400,000 to $ 750,000 for each FBI prosecution. And each suffered a pointless 6 AM armed FBI home raid on EVERY ONE of them, 1,500 of them, FBI bashing down each family's door. For..."TRESPASSING"?!?

Do you really think that is fair or warranted, M E M. ?!?

Only in an authoritarian Democrat police state, drunk on power, who deeply hate and want to torment anyone who politically disagrees with them.
For the maniacs in the 97% Democrat FBI and the Biden administration, these "trespassing" Trump supporters have to be punished, they have to be humiliated, they have to be terrorized and destroyed. And if your vicious Democrat-Bolshevik party had absolute power, your side would no doubt shoot every one of them in the head and leave their bodies in a field somewhere, if they could get away with it. Such is your party's level of hate.


But not fitting your preferred narrative, there are at least 20 persons / rioters (and according to American Greatness reporter Julie Kelly's sourced experts on similar FBI undercover sting operations, maybe more likely at least 200 agents) visible in surveillance video, but NEVER IDENTIFIED at the center of the chaos, who were CAUSING the chaos blamed on Trump supporters. And FBI had the means for over 4 years ( using face recognition technology, or geo-fencing to trace their identity by cel phones in their pockets ) to find and arrest them. If FBI actually wanted to.
But FBI never did identify them, because they were FBI's own false-flag agents, there TO FRAME Trump supporters. And the 97% Democrat-donating FBI didn't want it revealed why they were there and who they were, to be identified and later testify under oath what they knew. Because it was a coup against the Trump administration, plain and simple.

Trump freed those that viciously attacked and harmed law enforcement that day WB. You can lie and make accusations but we all watched it happen.

You are the problem.

Sorry about the delay in responding to you , Rob.
It took me a lot of time to write all the other posts I made here. And as rarely as I see you on the boards recently, I certainly want to encourage you by giving you a more timely response.

I agree with you that it's insightful and enjoyable to see opinions of another political perspective outside your own. And that's why despite being conservative, I enjoy reading a lot of liberal writers like Harlan Ellison, or Dennis O'Neil.
And even though I'm a conservative, and Charlie Kirk is a conservative, he also saw things from a perspective outside my own. I see Charlie Kirk as having a more Biblical perspective than mine, much more Christ-centered, and focused on marriage and having children and evangelizing a Christian message to others, but from an informed poliical point of view. And Charlie Kirk in many of the videos I linked, despite also having his opinion too, those opinions are also loaded with political facts and insight. That despite my being conservative too, are a completely different perspective than my own.



As far as Charlie Kirk "saying some shit too, and that's not cool" I think Kirk made a great effort to be open and respectful, but at times would cut someone off to make a point, or to correct facts and false talking points, or even at times just spike the football and get in a partisan thumping (I'm thinking of the South Park parody of him: :"CHARLIE KIRK DESTROYS ANOTHER LIBERAL LEFTIE". That Charlie Kirk, to his credit, laughed at, despite that he was the butt of the parody. )
I think it's not so much "saying some shit" as it is being at it for hours a day from all sides, and either getting tired, or just constantly answering stereotypes that aren't true about Republicans, and just losing your paitence once in a while, slicing through the B.S.

. And watching a lot of the students and professors asking questions, many of them are clearly there from the first sentence to vent on him, call him names, and try to verbally take him down, and for the most part, he ignores the insults and just stays focused on the issues they raise. And at some point he gains their trust and wins them over (or not) and the namecalling stops, that even when he doesn't win them over, and they stick to their Leftie fortress walls, they still gain a degree of respect for him from the exchange.



Regarding "the difference between assassination and murder", a murder is killing one person who pissed you off.

An assassination is killing an influential person in order to also kill the larger movement they lead or are a powerful advocate of.
And "killing" is an ambiguous diminishment even below "murder". As I said, as if Charlie Kirk was just killed in a car crash, or randomly killed by a falling tree, as if not killed by SOMEONE, as if not killed to silence and intimidate the political voice of half the country.
In the case of Charlie Kirk being assassinated, they wanted to crush and destroy a movement that is vastly expanding the number of conservatives under 30. I saw the guy interviewed last night who was Charlie Kirk's right hand in running Turning Point. He said that prior to Charlie Kirk's shooting, they had about 1,000 chapters nationwide.
And that after Charlie Kirk's death, they currently have requests to open another 37,000 new chapters at universities and high schools nationwide. That's... quite an achievement, for a guy who was just assassinated. Quite a growing legacy. So it has obviously, far from killing the movement, had the polar opposite effect.


I think the flags lowered for Charlie Kirk stems from the fact that Donald Trump knew Charlie Kirk personally, and has known Kirk for many years. The initial rise of Kirk's Turning Point organization began pretty much simultaneous and in synch with the rise of the Trump movement in 2015-2016. So Trump and many Republicans nationwide have met him and knew Kirk personally, and considered him a friend. Many have expressed that killing him now was the killing of someone who could have risen to be a future president, such was his rapport with people, and his rising and expanding influence, at the grass roots level, and among the conservative elite.


People say that Charlie Kirk's assassination could lead to a toning down of the rhetorical temperature, and while I would like to believe that, I don't.

The temperature didn't go down after 9-11-2001. Democrats who were savaging George W. Bush as "illegitimate" and "stolen election", and "idiot" were on good behavior for about 6 months after 9-11, and then at the first pretense went right back to their maximum-temperature rhetoric. Remember, George W. Bush was the ORIGINAL "Hitler" for the Democrat/left.

Then John McCain, who the Democrats LOVED LOVED LOVED while he was sniping at Bush for 8 years, who suddenly became the 2008 Republican nominee, and then suddenly the Democrat/Left HATED HATED HATED McCain, painted him as "just like Bush" a "warmonger", "blue-blood, out-of-touch", and all the other labels and hatred they'd previously given Bush. Maybe just a hair short of calling him Hitler too.

Then same thing Mitt Romney, a very moderate milquetoast Republican, who never got a harsh word from the liberal media while he was governor of Massachusetts. But as soon as he became he Republican nominee in 2012, Democrats labelled him "right wing!!" , "extremist", "blue-blood", "out of touch", and basically an evil rich guy. All the same labels.

Then Trump comes along, and I think the Democrat heat and hatred directed at Trump was about the same as was aimed at W. Bush, but after getting away with it for over 20 years now, escalated to a new level of violence and death threats aimed at Trump and his supporters. Because the Democrats have been so extreme for so long, 25 years now, they have to escalate more every 2 years, to keep their base energized.

The political temperature didn't go down even after the attempt to kill Steve Scalise and other Republicans at the Congressional baseball game by a deranged Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer.

The temperature didn't go down after a crazed Democrat tried to break into and kill the leaders of Focus on the Family in their offices, for which the deranged gay Lefist brought in Chic-fil-A food, to stuff in each of their mouths after he would have killed them.
The rhetoric didn't go down after a Chuck Schumer's and A O-C's rhetoric triggered an attempt on Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh's life.

The temperature didn't go down after TWO attempts to assassinate Trump during the 2024 campaign.

After each of these escalations, there was no self-reflection by the Democrat party, or by grassroots Democrats. After each of these violent escalations, they shamelessly called for MORE attacks and killings of Republicans, "a good start", "better aim next time" and so forth. And some of those saying this on social media were Democrat strategists and advisors to Senate and House Democrats. No remorse. No move away from encouraging violence.




And to me it still doesn't make sense, to try and label Trump as "Hitler" and an existential threat. Trump was a liberal for decades. He for a while was a registered Republican and friend of the Reagans in the 1980's. Then Trump became a Democrat, and was close friends with the Clintons for over 25 years. Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka Trump were best friends. The Clintons attended Trump's wedding to Melania. Trump was a centerpiece of the Hollywood elite, appearing in a number of movies and TV shows, and then a long run on The Apprentice. Trump for most of his life, and still does on many issues such as supporting gay rights, or hiring minorities in his real estate organization to the highest positions, years before "equal opportunity" ever existed or was encouraged, has manifested a typical New York liberal point of view on these issues.
And Trump was a major donor and fundraiser for candidates of both parties, for decades. And Trump was a registered Democrat up until days before he changed his party registration from Democrat to Republican, and a week later announced his presidential run in 2015.
And... THIS is the guy that the Democrats label as "Hitler" ?!?!?



THEY, THE DEMOCRATS are the ones trying to seize authoritarian control of the country, trying to destroy our constitutional Republic, trying to rig elections, to flood the country with illegal immigrants in a scheme to create a permanent Democrat majority (but immigrants who are now becoming Republicans).
Democrats are the ones emptying prisons nationwide and spiking crime, Democrats are the ones trying to create a one-party system with permanent Democrat control, pushing to nationalize elections federally away from the states, to create rules where the party out of power (in their plan, that would be the Republicans, PERMANENTLY out of power) would never even be able to legally dispute an unfair election. Democrats are openly talking about expanding the number of justices in the U.S. Supreme Court with liberals to eclipse the conservatives on the court, to corrupt that institution.
Democrats make clear they want to make Washington DC and Puerto Rico states (neither of which qualifies for statehood) just to give the Democrat party 4 more Senate seats, to manipulatively create a permanent Democrat senate majority.
And ultimately, socialism. And not even the pretense of "socialism" anymore, with the rise of Bernie Sanders, A O-C, and Mamdani among others, moving to full-on hard-boner Communism.

But yeah... Trump is the one who's "Hitler" and a threat to democracy.

Certainly NOT the Democrat-Bolsheviks who weaponized the DOJ and FBI and buried Trump in roughly a billion dollars in fines and legal fees with fake made-up cases, so they could take him out as a 2024 candidate, and then complete their push for permanent authoritarian one-party Democrat rule. George W. Bush, McCain, Romney, Pence, Cheney or Vance would not have the financial resources or resolve to endure that Democrat lawfare power grab.

And it frankly terrifies me what Democrats will do after Trump's term ends in 4 years. They have no respect for rule of law, deeply hate Republicans, and not only want to politically win the next election, but destroy us,.. DESTROY US ! With weaponized malicious FBI gonzo 6 AM raids and prosecutions.
We saw that with the level of hatred and persecution and false imprisonment of THOUSANDS under Joe Biden and Merrick Garland. Not just Jan 6th prisoners, not just Trump officials, but pro-life activists, and parents at PTA meetings opposing woke school policy. All forcefully taken down in overkill 6 AM armed raids and arrests by FBI, persecuted and imprisoned by malicious unfair partisan judges, prosecutors and juries.




So... "heated rhetoric" is just the most surface manifestation of all this. I fear we are on the edge of a violent Democrat-Bolshevik revolution, and I wish I knew how to tone it down, to de-escalae and stop it. The Left are as dangerous and as dead serious as 1917 Russia, 1949 China, or 1959 Cuba. The political heat is almost 100% on one side, the Democrat side. And I frankly worry what will happen if the Republican side gets fed up and turns to violent counter-attacks and start killing Democrat/Left political leaders too. The ONLY thing preventing escalation after 25 years of this rhetoric and Democrat violence, is Republicans just taking it, and not firing back.


25 years of Democrat undermining of Constitutional rule of law and institutions, using FBI to go after Republicans for over 25 years.
Beginning with Filegate under Bill Clinton.
Then weaponized FBI going after Republicans like senator Ted Stevens and Scooter Libby in 2004-2008.
Then Soros-orchestrated "astro-turfed" (i.e., fake grass roots) political movements and violent riots nationwide, like Occupy Wall Street, the Open Borders movement, Antifa, BLM, "Free Palestine", "anti-ICE" and "No Kings" uprisings orchestrated across cities nationwide.

Then weaponization of the IRS by Obama to win the 2012 election
. And that emboldened Obama and the Democrats to even greater weaponization of FBI , FISA, CIA and other federal agencies in an ongoing coup against Trump from 2016-present.

This is all a 25-year full-on assault by the Democrat-Left, to seize permanent authoritarian one-party control of the country. And if Democrats ever regain the presidency, whether in 4 years, 8 years, 12 years, or 20 years, they will in a flurry of executive orders in the first 3 months in office, re-politicize, re-weaponize and launch a full assault on our federal instittutions, and ESPECIALLY on Republicans, to establish permanent one-party Democrat control, and indict and imprison all their political opposition. They already tried to do it to Trump, for 10 whole years.

And the same is occurring in countries like Brazil, Argentina, Hungary, France, and Rumania, where they just use government power to disqualify, oultaw and imprison anyone who can oppose their control. I wish I knew how we could get out of this death spiral, in the U.S., and globally.
We can stand down and not escalate things. But the Democra/Left side will not.

Already asked and answered, M E M.


1) There were a TINY ratio of Trump supporters who were involved in ANY vandalism or violence on Jan 6th. I would argue a far lower ratio than many similar demonstrations and riots.
You smear 1,500 people arrested as if they were ALL guilty of violence or vandalism. THEY WERE NOT. Only about 60 (out of 600 who entered, and of that 60, a lot of those were Anttifa or false-flag FBI, pretending to be rump supporters) the few who who went inside the Capitol to engage in clashing with police, violence, vandalism , stealing Pelosi's podium, stealing some of Pelosi's letters, or peeing on a desk. It is ridiculous and deceitful of you to act as if all these people, and the wider 1,600 maliciously arrested by Merrick Garland and Chris Wray, just to feed a false Democrat "Jan 6th insurrection" narrative. Arrested both in and outside the Capitol, as if hey were all guilty of crimes, and they clearly are not. YOU NEVER ADDRESS THAT.

2) Even the few who were ACTUALLY guilty of violent crimes or vandalism spent 2 and a half to four years in prison, without so much as a trial. And Trump released them because they have already served more time than anyone anywhere else in the country would have served if prosecuted for similar crimes. If prosecuted outside of Washington DC, and not in a rigged system by fanatical Democrat judges, Democrat prosecutors, and fanatical 94% Democrat / anti-Trump jury venues. YOU NEVER ADDRESS THAT.

3) And you also ignore that these Trump protesters were arrested in unbelievably unnecessary 6 AM FBI raids, almost all just for "trespassing", with their doors broken down and AR-15 rifle laser-dots pointed all over their bodies. And then they were held indefinitely in prison, without bail, without trial, without access to a lawyer in many cases. For... "trespassing".
And in the most terrible of jail conditions, including beatings by Trump-hating guards.
Each of these people could have jus been phoned by FBI, just asked to appear at an appointed time with a lawyer. No armed 6 AM home raids necessary. YOU NEVER ADDRESS THAT.


Did I mention, Roger Stone when arrested in a similar raid, had his lawyer pursue discovery, and the raid on Roger Stone's home by itself with over 20 agents, was done at a cost to FBI of $1.1 million, for that one raid. Muliply that times 1,500 other Jan 6th defendants, almost all just "trespassing" charges.
And FBI similarly did armed raids and aarrests of hundreds of pro-life activists, one grandma arrested and convicted just FOR PRAYING outside an abortion clinic, not even blocking a doorway.
But arrested in a gonzo FBI raid, again brandishing AR-15 rifles, then prosecuted and imprisoned.

What an incredible waste of taxpayer dollars, just so Democrats can intimidate and inflict pain on the people who just disagree with them politically, and didn't vote for them.

So much partisan bullshit rationalizing, conspiracy as fact and hate. The only elected politician I can think of that compared Trump to Hitler was JD Vance. Our leader is a rotten corrupt pos that began this term freeing those that violently beat our law enforcement in Trump’s name. No amount of verbiage is going to change that WB.

Then you are eiher lying, or have a mental disorder that inhibits your ability to read and absorb FACTS.

In the last 4 hours, I've seen VIDEO of Kamala Harris calling Trump a "fascist", Joe Biden calling Trump "fascist" or "semi-fascist", likewise A O-C. And many others, in exactly those words.
I've sourced and QUOTED THEM, REPEATEDLY, over the last 5 years, saying this, over and over.

Who do you think you're fooling, M E M?
Certainly not anyone familiar with the facts.


And here is Pulitzer-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald, interviewing Julie Kelly on her years of investigation of the January 6th persecutions...

https://www.realclearinvestigations...6_prosecutions_system_update_829203.html


Those are the facts. Much as you'd like to pretend they don't exist.

Biden is gone, and the Democrats still haven't learned their lesson.
Jimmy Kimmel learned that powerful lesson today, for going pedal to the floor with cruel hard-Left radicalism, pushing the narrative that Charlie Kirk was killed by a conservative, as if i wasn't a trans-gender Antifa enthusiast who made his motive CRYSTAL clear in the messasges he scratched on his bullets, and in texts to his transgender lover "roommate", and to others in online groups who all but cheered on the shooting..


And hundreds of others who have been fired by their employers for their disturbing way-beyond-the-pale political hatred, including a number of Leftist columnists and reporters, for gleefully celebrating Charlie Kirk's death on social media.

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Iggy and M E M, you're both implying without making a case for it some major authoritarian power grab by Trump and his FCC head.

But cited and sourced, here is the full extent of what Trump's FCC is doing.


Pro-Trump FCC chair willing to yank media broadcast licenses, says they're not 'sacred cows'
FCC hasn't revoked a company's broadcast license since 1971, but Brendan Carr says he'd have no hesitation



Which is to say, threatening POSSIBLE action, to leverage positive change in the networks, without actually using that FCC power.

Which is pretty restrained, relative to... oh, say, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, who tried to silence three entire conservative networks (Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax) and de-platform half the political spectrum.
Trump, in contrast, is pretty restrained for "fascist" "Hitler"

Nope, when Trump uses the government to get people of the air he doesn’t like it’s a direct attack on the first amendment. The FCC crossed a line when it said we can do things the easy way or the hard way. You are not going to rationalize that to me. This is the government using its power to directly silence voices critical of it. And Trump trying to use Kirk’s assassination to go after the left is a disgusting betrayal of the oath he took. Kirk’s assassin is looking to be not connected to any left wing group much like the evangelical Christian that assassinated the MN state lawmaker and her husband.

But Trump DIDN'T get people "off the air", Trump (or his FCC chairman) is just pressuring networks not to deliberaely lie and distort the news, as multiple networks have been PROVEN to have done, and been successfully SUED for, in selectively editing video interviews to misrepresent Trump, and to make Kamala Harris sound eloquent and competent by slicing her word salad interview into a few lucid soundbytes.


And again, you had NO PROBLEM, NONE with Obama and Biden trying to take Fox News, OAN and Newsmax completely off the air.
Silencing the conservative / Republican half of the country, to create an authoritarian one-party news media, as in Venezuela. ( Which by the way, Obama FCC czar Mark Lloyd called Venezuela's Marxist takeover of all news media there as "Very effective, and a good model to follow.")

Trump is not trying to "silence" the news media, he is trying to get these networks to go back to objectively reporting the news, and not editing people deceptively to omit or add to what they actually said in interviews. Which Trump proved in court with a large settlement in his favor, is exactly what these networks did. TWICE.

It amazes me how you twist the truth into a Democrat narrative, where corrupt evil Democrats magically become the heroes, when the evidence shows over and over Democrats are the corrupt criminals and authoritarians, breaking the law and shamelessly lying to manipulate their way into power, and to frame innocent people.

Your usual projection. It’s not ok for Trump to use his administration to threaten networks like this. It is nice to see Jimmy Kimmel’s ratings soar as a result of Trump’s attack on the first amendment. He’s more popular than Trump now, lol.

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In the Democrat party's further thirst for division, violence and revolution :




SIX DEMOCRAT HOUSE AND SENATE MEMBERS FURTHER STOKE REVOLUTION AND TREASON

• Democratic Michigan Sen. Elissa Slotkin posted a video to social media Tuesday morning in which she and five of her congressional colleagues called for the military and the intelligence community to “stand up” to President Donald Trump’s administration.
  
  The half-dozen Democratic lawmakers who took part in the video titled, “Don’t give up the ship,” had all served as military or intelligence officers. In her X post of the video, Slotkin stated the lawmakers seek to “directly” tell service members and intelligence personnel that the “American people need you to stand up for our laws and our Constitution.”
  
  “We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now,” Slotkin, a former CIA officer, said in the video she appeared in alongside Democratic Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly, Democratic Pennsylvania Reps. Chris Deluzio and Chrissy Houlahan, Democratic New Hampshire Rep. Maggie Goodlander and Democratic Colorado Rep. Jason Crow.
  
  “Americans trust their military,” said Houlahan, a former Air Force officer.
  
  “But that trust is at risk,” added Deluzio, a former officer in the Navy.
  
  “This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens,” Kelly, a former Navy officer, said in tandem with Crow, a former Army officer, and Slotkin. (RELATED: ‘Dismay And Disgust’: Federal Judge Resigns, Blasting ‘Existential Threat’ Trump Over ‘Angry Attacks On The Courts’)
  
  “Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders,” Kelly, Slotkin and Deluzio said later in the video.
  
  “Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution,” Kelly and Goodlander, a former naval intelligence officer who is married to Biden-era former national security adviser Jake Sullivan, charged military and intelligence personnel.
  
  Deluzio and Crow claimed that “threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.”
  
  The lawmakers added that they know that what they are urging is “hard” and that “it is a difficult time to be a public servant.”
  
  “But whether you are serving in the CIA, the Army, our Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical. And know that we have your back,” they continued, alternating lines. “Because now more than ever, the American people need you. We need you to stand up for our laws, our Constitution, and who we are as Americans.”
  
  “Don’t give up, don’t give up, don’t give up, don’t give up the ship,” the Democrats concluded.
  
  Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution states that the president is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. The president is also in charge of intelligence agencies such as the FBI and CIA, by virtue of being head of the Executive Branch of the federal government — a responsibility laid out in Article II, Section 1.
  
  “Don’t give up the ship” is a common phrase that dates back to the War of 1812 and were the last words uttered by Navy Captain James Lawrence before he succumbed to his gunshot wound on the USS Chesapeake.

Nothing says "I love the United States, and respect its laws and Constitution" like Democrats making up fake narratives and inciting treason and violent revolution. Based on ZERO cited examples where Trump allegedly did anything wrong.

Should they have disobeyed orders when Trump sent them to bomb Iranian nuclear weapons facilities?
Should they disobey orders when Trump sends Border Patrol and ICE to secure the border and round up previously convicted criminals, that have multiple times re-entered the country to commit even more crimes against Americans, and against LEGAL green-card immigrants?

Should they disobey because they are ordered to uphold 250 years of U.S. immigration law and border security? Where illegals, as part of their debt to the cartels for smuggling them across the border into the U.S., are obligated to participate in drug trafficking and other drug cartel crimes in the U.S. to pay off their debt?
Where criminal illegals are specifically accused of crimes, and a judge in each case approved and signed a warrant for their arrest and deportation?


You can guess what I think should happen to these legislators.
Their incitement of violence and revolution rises to the level of censure and removal from Congress. If not indictment and prosecution for inciting treason.

Score another blow for the Democrat-Bolshevik party.

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Man, countt the layers of Democrat hypocrisy in that one.

You would no doubt find some justification for whatever Trump wants. However this was about explicitly about following illegal orders. And as Trump toadie Hegseth has found out we obviously have a fee speech right to tell our people that they do not have to follow illegal orders. And please go fuck yourself if you support otherwise. You are upset at the wrong thing here WB.

First off, all I did was post a funny poliical cartoon, that in a humorous context, points out the irony and hypocrisy of how the Democrat / Left thinks.

Second, it's less funny that (as I previously linked) 54% of Democrats polled think it would be "morally justified" to assassinate Donald Trump, and in the same poll 48% think it would be morally justified to assassinae Elon Musk.
And no doubt have the same view of the ACTUAL shooting death of Charlie Kirk, by a gay transgender "Furry" head-case freakshow assassin.

Or that the Democrat /Left was burning Tesla cars and dealerships nationwide, to intimidate Elon Musk, and also to intimidate anyone else who politically dissents from the Democrat-Bolshevik party's poliical views.

Lefist activists who also routinely attack Border Patrol agents, ICE agents and other federal agents and local police, in a succession of attacks FOR YEARS, in multiple protests/riots in cities nationwide, across multiple massive Soros-funded insurrectionist revolutions disguised as protests.
"Occupy Wall Street", "George Floyd/BLM", Open Borders, Anti-ICE, "Free Palestine", "No Kings", on and on.
All organized to protest and riot in hundreds of cities simultaneously, which costs hundreds of millions of dollars in dark money from Soros, other Leftist billionaires, globalists, Marxists, and hostile foreign governments like Russia and China.
These are not just protests, they are an ongoing siege, to de-stabilize and overthrow the United States. They are treason.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/o...assination-jailed-for-child-pornography/

You wouldn’t accept one poll with results you don’t like but you find one that you do like so it becomes the truth. Actually you don’t accept any poll with results you don’t like. I certainly don’t see that result reflective of family and friends. You don’t see it with democrats elected to federal office while magga martyrs somebody like Kirk who at one point said he was good with a president being executed if found guilty of treason. Trump just celebrated Mueller’s death and there was no push back from his supporters. And the violent Jan 6ers that Trump freed as soon as he could, that only happened because of yours and others willingness to support it. I could go on but you are not worth the time to be frank. Clinton was right about the basket of deplorables. She was just minimizing how many of you are so awful.

Yeah, I saw that in the news about a week ago.

While suspended for his gleeful comments about Charlie Kirk being killed, and still on unpaid leave for that offense, police raided his home for the child porn charges.


Just the kind of guy you want as a school principal.

Yeah, it's just the wildest coincidence that Democrats nationwide gave millions of thumbs-up/likes when Trump was announced to have Covid in 2020.

Or the two times that Trump was shot at and almost killed.

The way Democrats gleefully cheered when Ronald Reagan died, when Margaret Thatcher died, when Bush-era White House press secretary and Fox News anchor Tony Snow died of prostate cancer.

The way Democrats on social media gleefully cheered when muliple Republicans were shot at the Congressional baseball game. Many Democrats, including Democrat house and senate staffers identified, saying shooting hese Republicans was "a good start".

That poll I cited is not an outlier, it is absolutely consistent with the level of fanaticism, vitriol and hatred of pretty much the entire Democrat-Bolshevik party for at least the last 10 straight years.
And that's not even a complete list of violent Democrat incidents.

So I say... FACT.

And I've already posted plenty of links in YEARS of posts here to back that up.
Violent attacks on Trump, violent attacks on many Republican Senate, House and cabinet officials.

How many dozens of Project Veritas hidden-camera videos, of Democrat election staffers saying they'd like to kill all Republicans and/or put them in gulags if their Democrat candidate wins.
Or force former Trump officials to confess their crimes in Soviet-like televised show trials.

Democrat grassroots campaign staffers for Bernie Sanders or other Democrat elected officials. Democrat employees of Google, Facebook and Twitter, gloating about how they shadow-ban Republicans, and would like to see them killed. How they use yheir social media tech positions to censor and silence conservaive opinions and news wih algorithm filters,

Democrat employees of PBS expressing their hatred of Republicans, and how they would like to have a Democrat-controlled HHS take away the children of Republicans, to be raised by Democrat-Left foster parents, to indocrinate the children in the "right way of thinking".
On and on. Democrats in every level of the straum expressing he desire o kill or lock up Republicans.

Or the project Veritas video inerviewing the two thugs gloating about pretending to be violent Republicans at a Trump rally in 2016, to smear Trump, bragging they were hired to do so by the Hillary Clinton campaign, and paid through a "double-wall of deniability".



And that's not even getting into all the "SWAT-ing" of elected Republicans, including very recenlly on 8 Trump cabinet officials during the time up to Trump's Jan 2025 second inauguration.
And the endless violent attacks on Trump supporters, averaging one attack EVERY SINGLE DAY since Nov 2016.

There could not be more proof of how violent and filled with hate Democrats are, not just one poll I allegedly like and believe, but over 10 years of escalating Democrat hatred and violence.


How evil does your Democrat-Bolshevik party have to be, CONSISTENTLY, before you walk away, or a least express the slightest shame and apology?

I see over and over that the Democrats are ruthless sociopahs, utterly incapable of shame.
And it truly scares me what they ARE capable of, if in this mindset they ever regain power. They are one in spirit wih the French Revolution and the Great Terror, with Lenin, Stalin and the Bolsheviks, and with Mao an the Chinese communist party. All of whom Democrats, even Clinton, Obama and Biden cabinet members, often praise and ideologically emulate in their own tactics.
Jus oday in New York City, Democrats are proesting under red hammer-and-sickle flags, openly communist, openly hating America.

The Democrat party is evil. How much more proof do you need?