RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events conservative grassroots activist Charlie Kirk assassinated

Sorry about the delay in responding to you , Rob.
It took me a lot of time to write all the other posts I made here. And as rarely as I see you on the boards recently, I certainly want to encourage you by giving you a more timely response.

I agree with you that it's insightful and enjoyable to see opinions of another political perspective outside your own. And that's why despite being conservative, I enjoy reading a lot of liberal writers like Harlan Ellison, or Dennis O'Neil.
And even though I'm a conservative, and Charlie Kirk is a conservative, he also saw things from a perspective outside my own. I see Charlie Kirk as having a more Biblical perspective than mine, much more Christ-centered, and focused on marriage and having children and evangelizing a Christian message to others, but from an informed poliical point of view. And Charlie Kirk in many of the videos I linked, despite also having his opinion too, those opinions are also loaded with political facts and insight. That despite my being conservative too, are a completely different perspective than my own.



As far as Charlie Kirk "saying some shit too, and that's not cool" I think Kirk made a great effort to be open and respectful, but at times would cut someone off to make a point, or to correct facts and false talking points, or even at times just spike the football and get in a partisan thumping (I'm thinking of the South Park parody of him: :"CHARLIE KIRK DESTROYS ANOTHER LIBERAL LEFTIE". That Charlie Kirk, to his credit, laughed at, despite that he was the butt of the parody. )
I think it's not so much "saying some shit" as it is being at it for hours a day from all sides, and either getting tired, or just constantly answering stereotypes that aren't true about Republicans, and just losing your paitence once in a while, slicing through the B.S.

. And watching a lot of the students and professors asking questions, many of them are clearly there from the first sentence to vent on him, call him names, and try to verbally take him down, and for the most part, he ignores the insults and just stays focused on the issues they raise. And at some point he gains their trust and wins them over (or not) and the namecalling stops, that even when he doesn't win them over, and they stick to their Leftie fortress walls, they still gain a degree of respect for him from the exchange.



Regarding "the difference between assassination and murder", a murder is killing one person who pissed you off.

An assassination is killing an influential person in order to also kill the larger movement they lead or are a powerful advocate of.
And "killing" is an ambiguous diminishment even below "murder". As I said, as if Charlie Kirk was just killed in a car crash, or randomly killed by a falling tree, as if not killed by SOMEONE, as if not killed to silence and intimidate the political voice of half the country.
In the case of Charlie Kirk being assassinated, they wanted to crush and destroy a movement that is vastly expanding the number of conservatives under 30. I saw the guy interviewed last night who was Charlie Kirk's right hand in running Turning Point. He said that prior to Charlie Kirk's shooting, they had about 1,000 chapters nationwide.
And that after Charlie Kirk's death, they currently have requests to open another 37,000 new chapters at universities and high schools nationwide. That's... quite an achievement, for a guy who was just assassinated. Quite a growing legacy. So it has obviously, far from killing the movement, had the polar opposite effect.


I think the flags lowered for Charlie Kirk stems from the fact that Donald Trump knew Charlie Kirk personally, and has known Kirk for many years. The initial rise of Kirk's Turning Point organization began pretty much simultaneous and in synch with the rise of the Trump movement in 2015-2016. So Trump and many Republicans nationwide have met him and knew Kirk personally, and considered him a friend. Many have expressed that killing him now was the killing of someone who could have risen to be a future president, such was his rapport with people, and his rising and expanding influence, at the grass roots level, and among the conservative elite.


People say that Charlie Kirk's assassination could lead to a toning down of the rhetorical temperature, and while I would like to believe that, I don't.

The temperature didn't go down after 9-11-2001. Democrats who were savaging George W. Bush as "illegitimate" and "stolen election", and "idiot" were on good behavior for about 6 months after 9-11, and then at the first pretense went right back to their maximum-temperature rhetoric. Remember, George W. Bush was the ORIGINAL "Hitler" for the Democrat/left.

Then John McCain, who the Democrats LOVED LOVED LOVED while he was sniping at Bush for 8 years, who suddenly became the 2008 Republican nominee, and then suddenly the Democrat/Left HATED HATED HATED McCain, painted him as "just like Bush" a "warmonger", "blue-blood, out-of-touch", and all the other labels and hatred they'd previously given Bush. Maybe just a hair short of calling him Hitler too.

Then same thing Mitt Romney, a very moderate milquetoast Republican, who never got a harsh word from the liberal media while he was governor of Massachusetts. But as soon as he became he Republican nominee in 2012, Democrats labelled him "right wing!!" , "extremist", "blue-blood", "out of touch", and basically an evil rich guy. All the same labels.

Then Trump comes along, and I think the Democrat heat and hatred directed at Trump was about the same as was aimed at W. Bush, but after getting away with it for over 20 years now, escalated to a new level of violence and death threats aimed at Trump and his supporters. Because the Democrats have been so extreme for so long, 25 years now, they have to escalate more every 2 years, to keep their base energized.

The political temperature didn't go down even after the attempt to kill Steve Scalise and other Republicans at the Congressional baseball game by a deranged Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer.

The temperature didn't go down after a crazed Democrat tried to break into and kill the leaders of Focus on the Family in their offices, for which the deranged gay Lefist brought in Chic-fil-A food, to stuff in each of their mouths after he would have killed them.
The rhetoric didn't go down after a Chuck Schumer's and A O-C's rhetoric triggered an attempt on Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh's life.

The temperature didn't go down after TWO attempts to assassinate Trump during the 2024 campaign.

After each of these escalations, there was no self-reflection by the Democrat party, or by grassroots Democrats. After each of these violent escalations, they shamelessly called for MORE attacks and killings of Republicans, "a good start", "better aim next time" and so forth. And some of those saying this on social media were Democrat strategists and advisors to Senate and House Democrats. No remorse. No move away from encouraging violence.




And to me it still doesn't make sense, to try and label Trump as "Hitler" and an existential threat. Trump was a liberal for decades. He for a while was a registered Republican and friend of the Reagans in the 1980's. Then Trump became a Democrat, and was close friends with the Clintons for over 25 years. Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka Trump were best friends. The Clintons attended Trump's wedding to Melania. Trump was a centerpiece of the Hollywood elite, appearing in a number of movies and TV shows, and then a long run on The Apprentice. Trump for most of his life, and still does on many issues such as supporting gay rights, or hiring minorities in his real estate organization to the highest positions, years before "equal opportunity" ever existed or was encouraged, has manifested a typical New York liberal point of view on these issues.
And Trump was a major donor and fundraiser for candidates of both parties, for decades. And Trump was a registered Democrat up until days before he changed his party registration from Democrat to Republican, and a week later announced his presidential run in 2015.
And... THIS is the guy that the Democrats label as "Hitler" ?!?!?



THEY, THE DEMOCRATS are the ones trying to seize authoritarian control of the country, trying to destroy our constitutional Republic, trying to rig elections, to flood the country with illegal immigrants in a scheme to create a permanent Democrat majority (but immigrants who are now becoming Republicans).
Democrats are the ones emptying prisons nationwide and spiking crime, Democrats are the ones trying to create a one-party system with permanent Democrat control, pushing to nationalize elections federally away from the states, to create rules where the party out of power (in their plan, that would be the Republicans, PERMANENTLY out of power) would never even be able to legally dispute an unfair election. Democrats are openly talking about expanding the number of justices in the U.S. Supreme Court with liberals to eclipse the conservatives on the court, to corrupt that institution.
Democrats make clear they want to make Washington DC and Puerto Rico states (neither of which qualifies for statehood) just to give the Democrat party 4 more Senate seats, to manipulatively create a permanent Democrat senate majority.
And ultimately, socialism. And not even the pretense of "socialism" anymore, with the rise of Bernie Sanders, A O-C, and Mamdani among others, moving to full-on hard-boner Communism.

But yeah... Trump is the one who's "Hitler" and a threat to democracy.

Certainly NOT the Democrat-Bolsheviks who weaponized the DOJ and FBI and buried Trump in roughly a billion dollars in fines and legal fees with fake made-up cases, so they could take him out as a 2024 candidate, and then complete their push for permanent authoritarian one-party Democrat rule. George W. Bush, McCain, Romney, Pence, Cheney or Vance would not have the financial resources or resolve to endure that Democrat lawfare power grab.

And it frankly terrifies me what Democrats will do after Trump's term ends in 4 years. They have no respect for rule of law, deeply hate Republicans, and not only want to politically win the next election, but destroy us,.. DESTROY US ! With weaponized malicious FBI gonzo 6 AM raids and prosecutions.
We saw that with the level of hatred and persecution and false imprisonment of THOUSANDS under Joe Biden and Merrick Garland. Not just Jan 6th prisoners, not just Trump officials, but pro-life activists, and parents at PTA meetings opposing woke school policy. All forcefully taken down in overkill 6 AM armed raids and arrests by FBI, persecuted and imprisoned by malicious unfair partisan judges, prosecutors and juries.




So... "heated rhetoric" is just the most surface manifestation of all this. I fear we are on the edge of a violent Democrat-Bolshevik revolution, and I wish I knew how to tone it down, to de-escalae and stop it. The Left are as dangerous and as dead serious as 1917 Russia, 1949 China, or 1959 Cuba. The political heat is almost 100% on one side, the Democrat side. And I frankly worry what will happen if the Republican side gets fed up and turns to violent counter-attacks and start killing Democrat/Left political leaders too. The ONLY thing preventing escalation after 25 years of this rhetoric and Democrat violence, is Republicans just taking it, and not firing back.


25 years of Democrat undermining of Constitutional rule of law and institutions, using FBI to go after Republicans for over 25 years.
Beginning with Filegate under Bill Clinton.
Then weaponized FBI going after Republicans like senator Ted Stevens and Scooter Libby in 2004-2008.
Then Soros-orchestrated "astro-turfed" (i.e., fake grass roots) political movements and violent riots nationwide, like Occupy Wall Street, the Open Borders movement, Antifa, BLM, "Free Palestine", "anti-ICE" and "No Kings" uprisings orchestrated across cities nationwide.

Then weaponization of the IRS by Obama to win the 2012 election
. And that emboldened Obama and the Democrats to even greater weaponization of FBI , FISA, CIA and other federal agencies in an ongoing coup against Trump from 2016-present.

This is all a 25-year full-on assault by the Democrat-Left, to seize permanent authoritarian one-party control of the country. And if Democrats ever regain the presidency, whether in 4 years, 8 years, 12 years, or 20 years, they will in a flurry of executive orders in the first 3 months in office, re-politicize, re-weaponize and launch a full assault on our federal instittutions, and ESPECIALLY on Republicans, to establish permanent one-party Democrat control, and indict and imprison all their political opposition. They already tried to do it to Trump, for 10 whole years.

And the same is occurring in countries like Brazil, Argentina, Hungary, France, and Rumania, where they just use government power to disqualify, oultaw and imprison anyone who can oppose their control. I wish I knew how we could get out of this death spiral, in the U.S., and globally.
We can stand down and not escalate things. But the Democra/Left side will not.