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I watched the video and they just murdered her. I’m not going to respond to any maggot spin. You support this and enabled it. You truly disgust me.

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This person, a 37-year-old lesbian activist names Renee Nicole Good, was stalking and harassing ICE agents the whole day. Then she parked her car diagonally to deliberately stop all traffic on a street, and several ICE officers approached her and instructed her to simply move her car. She slammed it in reverse and backed up quickly, then she slammed it in drive and accellerated as fast as she could at the ICE officer who was standing directly in the path of her vehicle, at which point the officer in her path defended himself and shot her.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/photos-released-renee-nicole-good-us-citizen-killed-ice-minnesota


If she were holding a gun and beginning to squeeze the trigger, or if she were standing directly over someone wih a knife and lowering it to plunge into someone, it could not have been more clear self-defense on the part of the ICE officer who shot her. She was using a 6,000-pound vehicle as a deadly weapon, and was accellerating and about to run over the officer.
I'm all for FBI investigation, and internal ICE investigation to verify what the facts are, but that is what anyone can plainly see in video from multiple angles when the incident occurred.

It was self defense.

This Renee Nicole Good person was observed at the forefront provoking and provoking ICE officers all day, and then in a fit of rage she blocked a street with her SUV, and when asked to move her SUV, tried to run over one of the ICE officers, who then fired and defended himself. Preliminary investigation shows this ICE officer followed his training perfectly, and used neither more or less force than he was trained to use. And as I understand it, this officer was rammed and previously survived a similar car-ramming incident.
Kristi Noem said this was one of FOUR ramming incidents that day against ICE officers just doing their job, as they were using judge-issued warrants to arrest known violent criminal illegal aliens, and three of the four rammings of ICE agents were in Minneapolis.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/no...hooting-stalking-impeding-agents-all-day

I hope this incident makes these Soros- and Communist-party funded dipshits out there , who are deliberately looking for trouble, deliberately doing everything they can to incite violence and endanger ICE officers, think twice about attempting another car-ramming of an ICE officer.
Fuck around and find out.

Further, tantrum-throwing spoiled brat mayor Jacob Frey, and corrupt Bolshevik governor tampon-Tim Walz have been pouring kerosine on this incident with factless incendiary rhetoric, deliberately trying to repeat the chaos of the George Floyd incident in 2020, to try and stoke riots in cities nationwide. In all these Soros-funded and wider billionaire-Left-funded fake grassroots groups, "astro-turfed" fake protests and riots, they are part of a well-funded insurrection movement to de-stabilize and overhrow the Unied States. Soros and his front groups did the same in about 15 former Soviet republics since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, and once perfecting their techniques for overhrowing western democracies, over the last 16 years since 2010 have been doing the same in the United States, starting with the Occupy Wall Street movement, then Antifa, BLM, and the Open Borders Movement, "No More Kings", "Anti-ICE", and now this.




I've been aware since the 2017 Charlottesville incident, that ICE and Antifa deliberately attack drivers and others to incite them to either deliberately lash back, or accidentally panic and hit someone with their car, and then BLM / Antifa use the incident to allege that THEIR POLITICAL OPPOSITION are the ones who initiated violence, so they can rationalize going out with mobs to expand the violence to hundreds of other cities in "retribution".
No.
The communist goal all along was creating instability and violence to collapse and overthrow the U.S. government and replace it with a Marxist/Socialist one-party system (run by the Democrat party, of course !) , and this is just the Democrat-Bolshevik Left's orchestrated pretext and excuse to expand the violence that THEY STARTED, AND PLANNED.

And when rioting breaks out in cities nationwide, there will "just happen" to be palettes of bricks and other weapons dropped on street corners, just behind the front lines of Leftists clashing with police. Because all this is planned on a massive nationwide scale, and funded by George Soros and other Leftist billionaires and dark money, because this is all extraordinarily well-funded and orchestrated to happen. This Renee Nicole Good person was a zealot and footsoldier in this Leftist army, and whether she had evil in her heart or was just a misled dupe of the Left's insurrection, this was all orchestrated to happen. This is all calculated to create thousands of incidents like this every day, like fly-cast fishing, and today the Bolshevik Left got a bite, and are exploiting it to the hilt. I fully expect this to expand into riots, and likely spread to other cities. Because that's what the well-funded Left's revolution machine is set up to do.

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Further, Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey has ordered Minneapolis officers for years to "stand down" to not assist ICE agents in any way, or even rescue them if they are attacked by "Anti-ICE" Leftist protesters and rioters who are often trying to injure or kill ICE agents.

By Frey instructing local law enforecement officers NOT to work with and communicate with federal ICE agents, that creates the situation that can get people killed, whether ICE agents, local Minneapolis police, Leftist protesters, or innocent bystanders.

I blame Tim Walz and Jacob Frey for creating and perpetuaing this cauldron that threatens to explode and get people hurt. As opposed to just letitng law enforcement agencies communicate, work together and do their jobs, to protec the locals of Minneapolis. Jacob Frey is the arsonist who set the fire, and now in posturing bratty angry speeches, is accusing ICE of the fire that got this woman killed. The fire that Frey himself started.
If Jacob Frey and other Minnesota officials would just keep actual arrested criminals in custody and pass them on in cuffs to ICE, instead of protecting these criminals and setting them free to run wild in his city and nationwide, to rape, murder and violenly attack citizens, then ICE would not have to come in fully armed to re-arrest these criminals.

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For anyone curious about the woman ice murdered…
Renee Good

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By
Amanda Musa
,
CNN Expansion 2017, Omar Jimenez
Omar Jimenez
,
Sarah Boxer

Mother of 3 who loved to sing and write poetry shot and killed by ICE in Minneapolis
The woman shot and killed by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in Minneapolis was a loving mother, a poet and a partner whose family – along with neighbors across her stunned city and strangers far beyond – is shocked by the circumstances surrounding her death.

Renee Nicole Good, a 37-year-old US citizen, was killed when an ICE agent shot into her vehicle during an encounter Wednesday morning.

Good’s ex-husband said she had just dropped off her 6-year-old son at school when she encountered the ICE agents, The Associated Press reported.
The victim tried to “weaponize her vehicle” to run over an officer near an ICE vehicle stuck on a snow-lined street before he opened fire, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said.

State and local officials have strongly disputed claims the shooting, captured on video, was done in self-defense as tensions exploded amid this week’s deployment of some 2,000 federal agents as part of the latest surge in the Trump administration’s nationwide immigration enforcement crackdown and following claims of welfare fraud in the Somali immigrant community.

Still, loved ones and leaders paused to remember the newcomer to Minnesota as “an amazing human being.”

“Renee was one of the kindest people I’ve ever known. She was extremely compassionate,” her mother, Donna Ganger, told the Minnesota Star Tribune. “She’s taken care of people all her life … She was loving, forgiving and affectionate.”
Good ‘had a good life but a hard life’

Born in Colorado, Good moved to Minnesota last year and lived in the Twin Cities with her partner, the Star Tribune reported, citing Ganger.
A mother of three, Good had two children, ages 15 and 12, from her first marriage, The Associated Press reported. Her 6-year-old child’s father died in 2023, according to the Star Tribune. “There’s nobody else in his life,” the child’s grandfather told the newspaper.
After spending most of her life in Colorado, Good briefly moved to Kansas to live with her parents for a time after her husband – a military veteran – died, her father, Tim Ganger, told The Washington Post.
“She had a good life, but a hard life,” he said. “She was a wonderful person.”

Good’s death hit her family especially hard because it was her older sister’s birthday, her uncle, Robert Ganger, told CNN affiliate KMGH.

CNN has reached out to Good’s family.

‘A very welcomed member of the community’

Good’s southside Minneapolis home still had holiday decorations on the front porch and in the window Thursday afternoon. Signs of support for Good could be seen in windows around the neighborhood, where she and her family had settled relatively recently, neighbors said.
Good had a “really sweet family,” one neighbor told CNN, recalling how Good’s son would sometimes ask to pet their dog.

A few houses down, another neighbor, Clark Hoelscher told CNN, “We saw her kids’ sidewalk drawings during the summer.”

Hoelscher did not know the family personally but would see them in the neighborhood from time to time.

As Hoelscher spoke about Good, a tear streamed down their face. “I’m a parent, I’ve helped raise five children. I have two kiddos that are my own.”
“I can’t imagine that they came home and their mom isn’t gonna be there anymore,” Hoelscher explained.

Hoelscher, who is also a teacher, said ICE’s presence in Minneapolis was already having an effect before Wednesday’s shooting.

“We have students and families who are scared to be at school,” Hoelscher said. “It’s really hard when I have a student who misses school, I’m just scared about what’s happened to them or their family members,” they added.

Another community member stood in front of Good’s house for much of the day Thursday, greeting anyone who tried to knock on the door and relaying that Good’s family would release a statement at the appropriate time.
“She was a very welcomed member of the community,” neighbor Kimmy Hull said of Good, whose home is less than a mile from where George Floyd was killed in 2020.

Hull said she isn’t surprised by the groundswell of organizing efforts and support in the community.

“What happened with (George) Floyd, there’s a lot of hard things that came out of it. But there’s a lot of really good things. One of the best things was it taught a lot of people how to work together. How to come together,” Hull said.

A devoted mom and Christian who loved to sing

A former neighbor in Kansas called Good and her family “lovely,” CNN affiliates KCTV and KMBC reported.
She is “a neighbor who, you know, is not a terrorist. Not an extremist,” Joan Rose told KMBC. “That was just a mom who loved her kids, loved her spouse.”

On her social media accounts, Good described herself as a “poet and writer and wife and mom,” according to the AP. She recently said she was “experiencing Minneapolis,” posting a pride flag emoji on her Instagram account.

A Pinterest account with her name features photos of Good smiling and holding a young child against her cheek, along with saved posts about tattoos, hairstyles and home decorating.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
For anyone curious about the woman ice murdered…
Renee Good


lol lol lol

Dear God, what an obnoxious and laughable (but all too predictable) piece of one-sided propaganda from CNN.

CNN doesn't just put their finger on the scale, they lean into it with their elbow, pushing their whole body weight into slanting the story to conform to their anti-Trump, anti-ICE, radical-Leftist and pro-open borders personal agenda.

Oh hey, and Josef Stalin was a great guy too !





  • By Amanda Musa, CNN,
    also Omar Jimenez, Sarah Boxer


    Mother of 3 who loved to sing and write poetry shot and killed by ICE in Minneapolis
    The woman shot and killed by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in Minneapolis was a loving mother, a poet and a partner whose family – along with neighbors across her stunned city and strangers far beyond – is shocked by the circumstances surrounding her death.

    Renee Nicole Good, a 37-year-old US citizen, was killed when an ICE agent shot into her vehicle during an encounter Wednesday morning.


Yeah, welll.... they kind of left out the part about how she was a fanatical and trained anti-ICE activist, who was out there EVERY DAY blocking ICE agents from doing their job, agents serving judge-issued warrants for the arrest of rapists, child molesters, murderers, drug traffickers and human traffickers. THESE are the people a deranged indoctrinated Renee Nicole Good was jumping in front of, to proect from arrest by ICE agents just doing their job, her doing so distracting and endangering the agents.


That propaganda "article" portrays Renee Good as if she was just an innocent citizen who went down the wrong street and got shot by a trigger-happy ICE agent.
It DOESN'T disclose that she was a trained "anti-ICE" political activist, who deliberately got between illegal criminals and arresting ICE agents all day that day, and every day.

That she was an unemployed elitist brat who made this her full time job, her holy mission.

That the ICE agents told her repeatedly (in one report I saw, it said for 4 minutes) just to move her car and stop blocking the street. And Good unexpectedly slammed her car in reverse, and then slammed it in drive and tried to run over the officer directly in the path of her vehicle, and ONLY THEN did the ICE agent draw his weapon and fire in self-defense at her. And that action probably prevented HIM from being killed, it slowed her vehicle down just enough that he was only mildly injured instead of killed.
And that all his happened in the space of about 8 seconds, that's all the time the ICE agent had to make a decision on how to respond.

And by the way, this same agent was injured in a similar incident, as described in separate public statements by both J.D. Vance and Kristi Noem, while the same ICE agent 6 months prior was attempting to arrest a convicted child rapist,. The rapist trapped the ICE agent's arm in the window, attempted to drive off, and dragged the ICE agent about 150 feet before he was stopped by other agents, and the agent was hospitalized for his injuries, and had to get 33 stitches.
Where is your compassion (you or CNN) for THAT AGENT, M E M. ?

And for the many others who have been injured and put in danger just to take KNOWN CRIMINALS back into custody, that Tim Walz and Jacob Frey just set free instead of transferring in custody, forcing ICE to go into these cities and neighborhoods to re-arrest them.

And I guarantee you, M E M, that NEITHER YOU, THE DEMOCRAT-LEFT, THE POLITICAL ARSONISTS AT CNN, OR ANY OF THE LEFTIST FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS QUOTED IN THIS ARTICLE would have "a tear" or a second's thought of remorse for the ICE agent, who was just doing his job, and taking unnecessary risks like this every day, put at a quantifiable 1100% more risk because of the America-hating Soros-funded Leftists and "anti-ICE" out there, demonizing and attacking ICE agents every day.

And similar violent attacks and assassination attempts on Donald Trump, J.D. Vance (Vance not even a week ago, by yet anoher gay/ttransgender indoctrinated lunatic).
And Kristi Noem, and Pam Bondi and many others in the Trump administration.
9 cabinet officials were "SWAT-ted" before they were even inaugurated.

But on with the slanted CNN propaganda piece...



  • Good’s ex-husband said she had just dropped off her 6-year-old son at school when she encountered the ICE agents, The Associated Press reported.
    The victim tried to “weaponize her vehicle” to run over an officer near an ICE vehicle stuck on a snow-lined street before he opened fire, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said.

    State and local officials have strongly disputed claims the shooting, captured on video, was done in self-defense as tensions exploded amid this week’s deployment of some 2,000 federal agents as part of the latest surge in the Trump administration’s nationwide immigration enforcement crackdown and following claims of welfare fraud in the Somali immigrant community.


PROVEN claims of welfare fraud.

There were Congressional hearings yesterday, where Minnesota State senators were questioned about the Minnesota Somalian fraud, that they have locally been investigating SINCE 2015, and they say there is absolutely no way that governor Tim Walz has been unaware of his fraud. That they have had a thousand whistleblowers come forward and personally approach them in the last 10 years to report it.
A THOUSAND !
Anfd that Tim Walz and his subordinates have not only ignored their warnings, but often punished whistleblower employees for reporting it, and silenced them.





  • Still, loved ones and leaders paused to remember the newcomer to Minnesota as “an amazing human being.”


Oh yes, AMAZING human being, all she did was try to run over an ICE agent.

And aggressively as an "anti-ICE" activist, confront ICE agents every day. Both ICE agents in the city, and her fellow activists, described her as he most aggressive of the activists in Minneapolis.




  • “Renee was one of the kindest people I’ve ever known. She was extremely compassionate,” her mother, Donna Ganger, told the Minnesota Star Tribune. “She’s taken care of people all her life … She was loving, forgiving and affectionate.”
    Good ‘had a good life but a hard life’

    Born in Colorado, Good moved to Minnesota last year and lived in the Twin Cities with her partner, the Star Tribune reported, citing [Renee Good's mother Donna] Ganger.
    A mother of three, Good had two children, ages 15 and 12, from her first marriage, The Associated Press reported. Her 6-year-old child’s father died in 2023, according to the Star Tribune. “There’s nobody else in his life,” the child’s grandfather told the newspaper.
    After spending most of her life in Colorado, Good briefly moved to Kansas to live with her parents for a time after her husband – a military veteran – died, her father, Tim Ganger, told The Washington Post.
    “She had a good life, but a hard life,” he said. “She was a wonderful person.”



Perhaps her unresolved anger and grief was turned into displaced rage and obsession with obstructing and attacking ICE agents.

NOT disclosed by CNN or Washington Post : She was a trained "anti-ICE" activist, who placed herself between ICE agents and criminal illegals multiple times the day she died, and EVERY day.

Who was known by both ICE agents and her fellow activists to be one of the most aggressive at blocking ICE arrests and getting between ICE agents and the illegals they were arresting.
That's a rather huge omission on the part of both CNN and the Washington Post.

Wow, to omit that, you might think... they were, y'know, biased propagandists or something, and political activists, rather than journalists.

They portray her as if she just innocently showed up in the street and randomly got shot.
NO, she was there quite purposely, in pursuit of her own fanatical agenda. And her hostility toward ICE agents is what made her try to harm an agent by suddenly slamming her vehicle in drive. An agent who had previously been attacked with a vehicle just 6 months before.






  • Good’s death hit her family especially hard because it was her older sister’s birthday, her uncle, Robert Ganger, told CNN affiliate KMGH.

    CNN has reached out to Good’s family.

    ‘A very welcomed member of the community’

    Good’s southside Minneapolis home still had holiday decorations on the front porch and in the window Thursday afternoon. Signs of support for Good could be seen in windows around the neighborhood, where she and her family had settled relatively recently, neighbors said.
    Good had a “really sweet family,” one neighbor told CNN, recalling how Good’s son would sometimes ask to pet their dog.



Awwww.

How about some sympathy for the agent Renee Good almost killed, who was still injured by the impact of her car.

How about some sympathy for the ICE agents out there protecting us every day, who are pointlessly harassed and attacked by indoctrinated "anti-ICE" leftist zealots every day.
Kristi Noem yesterday said there have been 400 vehicle attacks on ICE agents IN JUST THE LAST MONTH nationwide (in blue states), and Renee's Good's incident was just one of 4 vehicle attacks on ICE that day in Minneapolis alone.

How about some sympathy for all the victims of the criminals ICE is arresting and deporting, the Jocelyn Nungarys, the Laken Rileys, that the unhinged Left incredibly has no compassion for.
How many other Laken Rileys are still alive, because of the hundreds of thousands of criminal illegals ICE has arrested and/or deported in the last year since Trump was inaugurated?

How about some sympahy for ICE officers and other law enforcement, who put themselves a risk for us every day, to protect us. Who are photographed, doxed and outed by the Left, posting their photos and their home adresses for every lefist nutjob out there to attack them anytime, and put their wives and children in the same danger
Gee, it's so hard to understand why ICE agents wear masks while doing their jobs.

But on with the propaganda piece...




  • A few houses down, another neighbor, Clark Hoelscher told CNN, “We saw her kids’ sidewalk drawings during the summer.”

    Hoelscher did not know the family personally but would see them in the neighborhood from time to time.

    As Hoelscher spoke about Good, a tear streamed down their face. “I’m a parent, I’ve helped raise five children. I have two kiddos that are my own.”
    “I can’t imagine that they came home and their mom isn’t gonna be there anymore,” Hoelscher explained.

    Hoelscher, who is also a teacher, said ICE’s presence in Minneapolis was already having an effect before Wednesday’s shooting.


It scares me that this guy is a teacher, indoctrinating kids to hate their country, and hate federal agents who are just trying to do their jobs and deport previously arrested and PROVEN criminal illegals, who should have just been transferred to ICE in handcuffs, instead of being set free to run wild in the public, to rape and kill and traffic drugs again.

I WONDER: Is the entire population of Minneapolis his Leftist-brainwashed? Or do CNN and Washington Post just selectively report the leftist anti-ICE views they agree with, and leave the rest on the cutting room floor.
If THEY ALL ARE this brainwashed, it is like Gommorah, and Lot will soon be asked if he can find 10 good men there, before the city is destroyed by the wrath of God.
Although... the city is doing a pretty good job of destroying itself.





  • “We have students and families who are scared to be at school,” Hoelscher said. “It’s really hard when I have a student who misses school, I’m just scared about what’s happened to them or their family members,” they added.

    Another community member stood in front of Good’s house for much of the day Thursday, greeting anyone who tried to knock on the door and relaying that Good’s family would release a statement at the appropriate time.
    “She was a very welcomed member of the community,” neighbor Kimmy Hull said of Good, whose home is less than a mile from where George Floyd was killed in 2020.


Ah yes, CNN invoking the holy name of George Floyd !
Who by the way, was a multiple times convicted burglar and armed robber, who one time during a home invasion, pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach and said "Give me all the money, or I swear I'll shoot her".
Wow, what a great guy.

THIS is the guy the Democrat/Left exalts as if he were Jesus on high.

And by the way, in May 2020, George Floyd was one of four guys in a car, buying drugs right before his encounter with police the day he died, where he bought Fentanyl pills, that he had already consumed, was already overdosing at four times the FATAL dosage before police were even called or arrived.
That police on arriving immediately called emergency medical to try and save him, but EMT got the address wrong and took over 30 minutes to arrive.

The drug addict, the burglar, the home invader, that CNN invokes in the same breath with Renee Good.

Yeah, without intending to, CNN really portrays her in the perfect light. The woman they similarly try to exalt, while ignoring her "anti-ICE" radical leftism, and attempting to downplay that Renee Good tried to kill a federal ICE agent.
And it's all on video, from multiple camera angles.
And even her fellow anti-ICE activists don't deny that she was right on the front lines every day, and among the most aggressive in confronting ICE agents, or at best obstructing them, every day, her personal obsession.





  • Hull said she isn’t surprised by the groundswell of organizing efforts and support in the community.

    “What happened with (George) Floyd, there’s a lot of hard things that came out of it. But there’s a lot of really good things. One of the best things was it taught a lot of people how to work together. How to come together,” Hull said.

    A devoted mom and Christian who loved to sing.

    A former neighbor in Kansas called Good and her family “lovely,” CNN affiliates KCTV and KMBC reported.
    She is “a neighbor who, you know, is not a terrorist. Not an extremist,” Joan Rose told KMBC. “That was just a mom who loved her kids, loved her spouse.”

    On her social media accounts, Good described herself as a “poet and writer and wife and mom,” according to the AP. She recently said she was “experiencing Minneapolis,” posting a pride flag emoji on her Instagram account.

    Pinterest account with her name features photos of Good smiling and holding a young child against her cheek, along with saved posts about tattoos, hairstyles and home decorating.


Yeah... BARF.

She's a lesbian, it's pretty clear in the Bible whether lesbianism is a manifestation of "Christian" devoutness. I could cite the verses, it's absolutely NOT.
Any more than rape, murder, drug trafficking or human trafficking, by the criminals she tried to interfere with ICE arresting, are "devoted Christian" practices.

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Good’s last words to her murderer “That’s fine dude. I’m not mad at you.”


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He at the very least will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.


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WHAT YOU’RE WATCHING ISN’T WHAT YOU’RE REALLY WATCHING
by GAIL MACKENZIE-SMITH



“Federal and local officials dispute the circumstances that led an Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer to fatally shoot a 37-year-old woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday” — NPR

You think you’re watching a woman being shot in the face by an ICE agent, but what you’re really watching is a woman trying to run an ICE agent over and the agent firing at her in self-defense.



You think you’re watching an ICE agent walk up to a woman’s car asking her to leave, which she does, but what you’re really watching is a woman turn her car around and try to run the agent over.

You think you’re watching a woman drive away with an ICE agent following, then shooting her four times in the face, but what you’re really watching is an ICE agent in fear of his life and acting in self-defense.

You think you’re watching a video shot by a bystander who screams at the ICE agent, “Oh my God, oh my God, oh fuck, oh fuck, what did you do?!” But you’re really watching the bystander scream at the woman for trying to run over the ICE agent.

You think you’re watching a woman drive away when asked, but what you’re really watching is the woman attempting to run over all the ICE agents while they try to free their vehicles stuck in the snow.


You think you’re watching an ICE agent murder an innocent woman, but what you’re really watching is a federal agent being the victim of a domestic terrorist.

You think you’re watching a woman who’s been shot four times in the face lying dead on the front seat of her car, but what you’re really watching is the ICE agent alive and well after the “disorderly” woman hit him with her vehicle.

You think you’re watching an innocent woman being shot and killed by an ICE agent, but what you’re really watching is the radical left threatening, assaulting, and targeting law enforcement officers and ICE agents daily, who are just trying to do the job of making America safe.

You think you’re watching an innocent woman being shot and killed in cold blood by the federal government, but what you’re really watching is the death of the United States of America.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Good’s last words to her murderer “That’s fine dude. I’m not mad at you.”


... as she punched her car in reverse, and then into drive right at the ICE agent, who DEFENDED himself.
There is enough video released of the incident that those facts are beyond question at this point.


AND beyond that, the video has surfaced of her lesbian "wife" who was about 15 feet away, also mouthing off to ICE agents with antagonizing remarks. When Renee Good said “That’s fine dude. I’m not mad at you.”, that was with sarcasm, because both her and the lesbian wife's remarks were dripping with antagonism and hatred for ICE agents.

AND THEN Renee's lesbian wife encouraged her to punch the gas. "Drive, baby, drive!" As she was recording the ICE agents openly with her cel phone camera, probably so the two could gloat together about it later.
How did that end up working out?

And this was just the latest incident of their multiple antagonisms of ICE agents all day, and on many days.

Another detail I saw in further coverage and video is she was really punching the gas to accelerate EVEN MORE at the ICE agent, but because her tires spun on the ice for a few seconds without moving, she wasn't able to accelerate as fast as she wanted to, not able hit the ICE agent with the impact she wanted to. If she had, that agent would be hospitalized or dead now, and maybe wouldn't have had he fraction of a second to fire his weapon and defend himself.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
He at the very least will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

And you like that.
That an ICE agen who was just following his training and doing his job, serving judge-issued warrants for already arrested rapists, murderers, child molesters, human traffickers, drug traffickers, domestic abusers, drunk drivers, who despite being guilty of clear crimes and a threat to the public, the Tim Walzes and Jacob Freys of blue states just keep letting out of jail to further hurt innocent people, that this and thousands of ICE agents are re-arresting and protecting us from.


No sympathy for Laken Riley and her family, though, right M E M?
No sympathy for Jocelyn Nungary and her family.
No sympahy for the thousands of ICE agents, Border Patrol guards, and local police who have been injured trying to arrest known criminal illegals.

As Kristi Noem said 2 days ago in televised comments, there have been 400 vehicular attacks alone on ICE agents in just the last month.
And including the Renee Good incident, 4 alone that day in the Minneapolis area.

You're deranged, M E M. You support criminals and crime, and then fantasize about ICE agents being stalked and harmed by more crazies like yourself. Absolutely nuts.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
WHAT YOU’RE WATCHING ISN’T WHAT YOU’RE REALLY WATCHING
by GAIL MACKENZIE-SMITH



“Federal and local officials dispute the circumstances that led an Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer to fatally shoot a 37-year-old woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday” — NPR

You think you’re watching a woman being shot in the face by an ICE agent, but what you’re really watching is a woman trying to run an ICE agent over and the agent firing at her in self-defense.



You think you’re watching an ICE agent walk up to a woman’s car asking her to leave, which she does, but what you’re really watching is a woman turn her car around and try to run the agent over.

You think you’re watching a woman drive away with an ICE agent following, then shooting her four times in the face, but what you’re really watching is an ICE agent in fear of his life and acting in self-defense.

You think you’re watching a video shot by a bystander who screams at the ICE agent, “Oh my God, oh my God, oh fuck, oh fuck, what did you do?!” But you’re really watching the bystander scream at the woman for trying to run over the ICE agent.

You think you’re watching a woman drive away when asked, but what you’re really watching is the woman attempting to run over all the ICE agents while they try to free their vehicles stuck in the snow.


You think you’re watching an ICE agent murder an innocent woman, but what you’re really watching is a federal agent being the victim of a domestic terrorist.

You think you’re watching a woman who’s been shot four times in the face lying dead on the front seat of her car, but what you’re really watching is the ICE agent alive and well after the “disorderly” woman hit him with her vehicle.

You think you’re watching an innocent woman being shot and killed by an ICE agent, but what you’re really watching is the radical left threatening, assaulting, and targeting law enforcement officers and ICE agents daily, who are just trying to do the job of making America safe.

You think you’re watching an innocent woman being shot and killed in cold blood by the federal government, but what you’re really watching is the death of the United States of America.


I.e., ...

DEMOCRAT FEDERAL AND LOCAL OFFICIALS TRY TO PROP UP A PROVEN FALSE NARRATIVE, TO FIRE UP THEIR BASE AND GENERATE CAMPAIGN DONATIONS, BECAUSE DEMOCRATS WOULD GLADLY BURN THIS COUNTRY TO THE GROUND JUST TO GET RE-ELECTED AND ADVANCE THEIR IDEOLOGY

Democrats are trying to front a narrative that people didn't see what they plainly saw. But there it is, plain as day in the video:
Renee Good slammed her car in reverse, then she slammed it in drive, right at the ICE agent who shot her to defend himself. And an ICE agent who was already previously hit and hospitalized just 6 months ago in a similar incident, when an illegal criminal child molester tried to get away, trapped the ICE agent's arm in the window, then dragged him 150 feet, for which he was hospitalized and required 33 stitches.

But we're supposed to instead feel sympathy for the insane angry lesbian trained anti-ICE activist, who tried to run him over.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Good’s last words to her murderer “That’s fine dude. I’m not mad at you.”

It hasn’t been confirmed but after Ross fires into the car 3 times you can hear one of the agents say “fucking bitch”

It’s clear who the terrorists are.


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Just scanning this thread, no way I'm reading all of this, but WB...what's with all the hatred?

You are very wrapped up on the idea that the woman who was murdered was a lesbian. Why is that such a bad thing?

The right-wing hatred is destroying your happiness. All of that horseshit is designed to keep the masses fighting with each other, instead of focusing on how fucked up this stupid shitbox country really is.


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“ Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:
"It is clear that the ignorance of US citizens of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw, and what I know from a professional standpoint. This is long, but please at least give it a read.

"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.

"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in drive that is actively trying to leave, and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week into any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that in NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in drive. That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.

"You can see the wheels are turned, [Renee] backed up and turned them to the right, moved forward a bit to leave, couldn't because an agent was standing in front of her, and continued to try to leave by TURNING HER WHEELS TO THE RIGHT and moving forward. He continually chose to stand there and not allow her to legally leave as she had every single right to do.
The officer pulling on her door and banging on her window and swearing at her had ZERO authority to order her out of her vehicle or attempt to make entry into her vehicle. None. A single day of actual training and regard to legal scope of authority and the LAW would've prevented that from happening.

"You now have a frightened citizen being blockaded by immigration agents, with another person in her vehicle, who had zero obligation to follow legally invalid orders from that agent, being blocked in and having a fully grown, masked man attempting to make entry into her car. If this were reversed, every single person would immediately feel she had every reasonable expectation to fear for her safety. It doesn't matter if she knew it was ICE because the agents weren't even acting in their scope of authority anyway.

"Whether or not she made the right decision by very CLEARLY, based off of how hard her wheels were turned and how low and to the driver corner windshield that shot was fired, trying to drive to the left of that agent, is IRRELEVANT in the picture as a whole.

None of this would have happened if those agents had done even one single thing correctly. Not just correctly, but within their legal scope of authority. Every single moment of that interaction was escalated by untrained, unprofessional, procedurally inept "agents" who not only had zero control of themselves but everything around them. And not because they are helpless, but because their actions that did not fall under their scope of power CAUSED this. Their tempers, lack of training, and knowledge that they can get away with violating their own scope of authority caused this.

"I will always be the first to defend law enforcement when lethal force very clearly is required. But this was not even remotely the case, and as an actual TRAINED professional in that field with experience and understanding of both the law and procedures, there is no justification for this- and it would benefit EVERYONE to actually read up on the laws, scope of authority, and use a single shred of common sense to see that this situation was started, escalated, and caused these events to transpire by the ICE agents involved. I have zero respect for those in power who are ignorant to their authority and abuse it at the cost of lives around them."


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Dems DON'T CARE about Renee Good



Perfectly making the point of my opening post.

The Left stokes violence, and then bemoans the result and blame their political opposiion, when they get exactly the reaction they were instigating.

Simulaneous riots in hundreds of cities doesn't just happen. It is orchestrated, each provocation a rationalization, to further spread their insurrection.

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Originally Posted by MisterJLA
Just scanning this thread, no way I'm reading all of this, but WB...what's with all the hatred?

You are very wrapped up on the idea that the woman who was murdered was a lesbian. Why is that such a bad thing?

The right-wing hatred is destroying your happiness. All of that horseshit is designed to keep the masses fighting with each other, instead of focusing on how fucked up this stupid shitbox country really is.

I happen to think this "shitbox country" remains the greatest place on earth.

As I've cited in dozens of posts over the last 2 years or so, Gays and Transgenders seem for whatever reason to easily be pumped up by the Democrat-Left, and have become perfect pawns in the Democrat-Left's stoked nationwide revolution. They shoot up churches, they shoot up schools. Barely a week ago, another transgender invaded and vandalized Vice President J.D. Vance's home, and no doubt would have harmed Vance and his family if they'd been home when he / it invaded their home.


Both the lesbian "wife" and Renee Good were filled wih hatred for ICE agents, don't have jobs, and appear to spend all day every day clashing with and harassing ICE agents who are just doing their jobs, serving judge-issued warrants for foreign born murderers, .rapists, drug traffickers and human traffickers, who were ALREADY IN CUSTODY until Jacob Frey, Tim Walz, Gavin Newsome, and like-minded Democrat leaders let them loos for confused reasons to to prey on more Lakin Rileys and Jocelyn Nungarys. ICE agents getting rid of these criminal illegal predators one by one, of the tens of thousands of criminal illegals Joe Biden and the entire Democrat party has let pour into our country to prey on and kill innocent Americans.


The gays who just do their jobs and live their lives, but aren't part of the radical/insurrectionist Left, I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the angry dangerous and fanatical gay/trans people who are the frontline stormtroopers of the radical Left, and I've cited dozens of cases where they've shot up Christian churches, shot up schools, shot up ICE compounds. And they are a very high ratio of the shooters.
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1238850#Post1238850
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I'm especially set off by this lesbian couple, they made a game of antagonizing ICE agents on a daily basis (and the video shows this practiced ongoing antagonism of agents) , mouthing off to agents, and the "wife" opened the front passenger door like she was going to get in, and then slammed the door without getting in and made a comment that egged Renee Good on, to slam the car in reverse, then slam the car in drive, and ONLY because the tires spun in the ice and delayed moving the car for a split second did this ICE agent have the chance to draw his weapon and defend himself.



From what I can observe, people, including doctors in hospitals, are attacked by the Gay/Trans community and broader radical Left for not supporting "gender affirming care" (the delicately softened language for puberty blockers and transgender surgery to change genders.)
Even as Europeans are bowing to the science, and moving away from transgender surgery and puberty blockers.
The evidence is, Conservatives are on the side of science on this. If parents and medical professionals support this surgery and allow patients to go through with it, these transgenders have 6 times the likelihood of committing suicide, far more than if they were discouraged from medically transitioning. it is a physically painful transition, they often lose sexual function. And it results in a far higher ratio of cancer.

If someone wants to do this trans surgery, and they are an adult over the age of 21 and fully informed of their options and the risks and not pressured into it, they have that right.
But many are misled, and not informed.

They are deliberately confused and bullied into something they don't understand before they do it, and it messes them up for life.
On Fox News and Newsmax, I've seen dozens of interviews of "de-transitioned" transgenders who went back to their original gender, but who will sill remain damaged for the rest of their lives, manipulated and pressured at a young age into a choice that wasn't right for hem.

And gay/trans types are stoked up to have a violent hatred of Republican/Conservatives, rather than of those on the Left who deceived them down that bad gender dysphoria path.
It is absolutely not a misconception htat transgenders are a large ratio of the most violent and militant members of Antifa. With transitional chemicals in their bodies and hormones raging, they are in emotional flux that makes them easily manipulated into becoming angry Antifa footsoldiers.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Good’s last words to her murderer “That’s fine dude. I’m not mad at you.”

And Ross’s last words as he fired 3 bullets into her face were probably “fucking bitch”

Someone had posted something that seems right to me. Ross didn’t murder her because he was afraid of her but he murdered her because she wasn’t of him.


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You didn't even identify a source for this, and the style is not objective, but highly opinionated and emotional. This is not a police report citing laws or statutes, it's just some [ Democrat ] guy talking out his ass, giving pseudo-legal rationalizations for his partisan opinion against ICE agents who are just doing their jobs, serving warrants on illegals, and deporting known CRIMINAL illegals, who were PREVIOUSLY ARRESTED AND CONVICTED, and in a complete lack of judgement by Democrat leaders, released into the wild again, forcing ICE agents to come after them, when local Minnesota police could have just kept them in jail, and transferred custody of these known criminal illegals to ICE, in handcuffs, with no need tohunt for and re-arrest these criminals. .


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Lesbian works better than soccer mom and poet for those with hate in their hearts.

“ Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:

Who? As if we're supposed to be impressed by his saying this. NO establishing credentials listed.
Just because someone previously served as a police officer doesn't mean they're outside the realm of being a Democrat/liberal idealogue and loon.

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"It is clear that the ignorance of US citizens of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw, and what I know from a professional standpoint. This is long, but please at least give it a read.

That's shaky and no credible. No federal laws or procedures cited. Babble so far. It's like he's begging us to think he's professional and believable.

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"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

But ICE agents ARE federal agents, and have the federal authority of the DHS who sent them.

Under Biden, they took federal air marshalls off planes and re-deployed them to the Southern border. There were local police in Florida that were sent to Texas to assist the Texas state border patrol to defend the Texas/Mexico border, when Biden ordered federal border patrol to stand down, and would NOT defend the border.
So even though they were Air Marshall or Florida officers, they had Texas authority given by Texas governor Abbott.

In the case of Minnesota, they have federal auhoritty of DHS wherever they go in the U.S., so who gives a damn what the local Minneapolis police dept, or "tampon" Tim Walz, or mayor Jacob Frey, or state A G Keith Ellison think. ICE agents have FEDERAL auhority, they don't require state authority. If they were Texas or Arizona police officers, then they wouldn't have federal jurisdiction, at least not without Minnesota permission.. But ICE agents are FEDERAL law enforcement officials, so they absolutely do have arrest authority, anywhere in the U.S.

If local officials would not want to give ICE authority in Minnesota, it wouldn't matter, ICE would still have authority under the umbrella of DHS federal authority, that ICE is a sub-department of.

And even though Jacob Frey and Gov "tampon" Tim Walz would not provide city or state law enforcement protection to these ICE agents ( in virtually any other state, local law enforcement would communicate, accompany ICE agents, and back them up), so that situation forced ICE agents to defend themselves in Minneapolis.

And once again, the alleged police officer who wrote this puff-piece "article" cites no alleged law ICE violated, NOTHING.
So it's total pseudo-official-sounding B.S. on his part


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"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.

Total horseshit.

Each person arrested had a criminal arrest warrant and was prosecuted beforehand for crimes like murder, rape and trafficking. The "scope" is a judge's federal arrest warrant in each case.
And these are federal agents, who have federal dominion to make arrests anywhere in U.S. territory.


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"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in drive that is actively trying to leave, and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week into any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that in NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in drive. That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.

Throughout, this guy, if he even actually is or was a law enforcement officer, writes in really silly, overly personal and completely unprofessional language, and cites no specific laws that were 'broken".

In this case, the ICE officer was not standing "directly in front" of Renee Good's vehicle, until she suddenly slammed her SUV in reverse, and then aimed her vehicle right at him. He almost jumped out of he way in time when she drove straight at him. And though from what I could see was not severely hit, Renee Good did glancingly still hit him.

NO ONE would jump into the path of an SUV with the engine revving and coming at him. She caught him off-guard when she backed up, re-positioned and then accellerated. He did not jump into the path, when she backed up and re-positioned her vehicle at him, he was startled and froze for a second or so, then drew his weapon and fired, while almost but not entirely jumping out of the vehicle's path.



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"You can see the wheels are turned, [Renee] backed up and turned them to the right, moved forward a bit to leave, couldn't because an agent was standing in front of her, and continued to try to leave by TURNING HER WHEELS TO THE RIGHT and moving forward. He continually chose to stand there and not allow her to legally leave as she had every single right to do.
The officer pulling on her door and banging on her window and swearing at her had ZERO authority to order her out of her vehicle or attempt to make entry into her vehicle. None. A single day of actual training and regard to legal scope of authority and the LAW would've prevented that from happening.

More horseshit lies. Before she backed up, they were all on the driver side of her, only when she backed up and went from a 45-degree angle to a more perpendicular position to the road was the agent in her path. She AIMED her vehicle at him, to either intimidate, injure or kill him. And the ICE agent defended himself and tried to jump out of the path in time.

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"You now have a frightened citizen being blockaded by immigration agents, with another person in her vehicle, who had zero obligation to follow legally invalid orders from that agent, being blocked in and having a fully grown, masked man attempting to make entry into her car. If this were reversed, every single person would immediately feel she had every reasonable expectation to fear for her safety. It doesn't matter if she knew it was ICE because the agents weren't even acting in their scope of authority anyway.

If this were in A Few Good Men, I could picture Tom Cruise saying "Objection. Are you seriously trying to testify as to what this witness THOUGHT?!?"

Total made-up B.S. by the writer of this highly questionable opinion piece. As federal ICE agents within the DHS, their "scope of authoriy" is the entire United States.


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"Whether or not she made the right decision by very CLEARLY, based off of how hard her wheels were turned and how low and to the driver corner windshield that shot was fired, trying to drive to the left of that agent, is IRRELEVANT in the picture as a whole.

That doesn't even make sense. The ICE agent tried to jump out of the way but was still partially hit. In the video, her wheels were clearly spinning on the ice and if she could have gotten traction, she would have rushed at the officer a second sooner than he could jump out of the way, and even with the delay in rushing him, he was still partially hit.

If ICE had anything to hide, they would not have released the ICE agent's body camera footage, and released videos from all the other angles. The guy writing this "article" is just making stuff up.


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None of this would have happened if those agents had done even one single thing correctly. Not just correctly, but within their legal scope of authority. Every single moment of that interaction was escalated by untrained, unprofessional, procedurally inept "agents" who not only had zero control of themselves but everything around them. And not because they are helpless, but because their actions that did not fall under their scope of power CAUSED this. Their tempers, lack of training, and knowledge that they can get away with violating their own scope of authority caused this.

"I will always be the first to defend law enforcement when lethal force very clearly is required. But this was not even remotely the case, and as an actual TRAINED professional in that field with experience and understanding of both the law and procedures, there is no justification for this- and it would benefit EVERYONE to actually read up on the laws, scope of authority, and use a single shred of common sense to see that this situation was started, escalated, and caused these events to transpire by the ICE agents involved. I have zero respect for those in power who are ignorant to their authority and abuse it at the cost of lives around them."


Still no cited examples of broken "scope of authority" by the ICE agents.

This spoiled 37-year-old unemployed woman harassed officers every day for weeks. had no job, apparently a trust fund baby. She has made being an "anti-ICE" harasser/activist her full-time obsession. And not as an "observer" as some in the media have tried to allege, but BOTH HER AND HER LESBIAN "WIFE", AS CAN PLAINLY BE SEEN IN THE VIDEO, are unrelentingly hostile, taunting, sarcastic and disrespectful to the ICE agents. And by all accounts, that's how they were all day, and every day, to ICE agents, for weeks in Minneapolis.

The agents waited 3 minutes for Renee Good to move her vehicle.
When she did not move her car, they walked up to her side window and talked to her for 4 more minutes, asking her to move her car. Then she suddenly slammed her car into reverse, then slammed it in drive and moved forward so fast her tires were spinning in the ice under them, spinning without getting traction to rush the ICE agent as she intended, until she finally got traction and thrust at the officer, who fired, as per his training, a burst of three shots at her, as he attempted to jump out of her car's path.

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Huge turn out yesterday in MN against ICE. Even with subzero temperatures. Very proud of MN!


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Another person murdered by ice not long after my last post. Lots of video of them shooting a motionless body.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Huge turn out yesterday in MN against ICE. Even with subzero temperatures. Very proud of MN!


These are ICE agents, sent with warrants issued by judges who have reviewed the cases, ICE agents sent to arrest and deport criminal illegals, that have already previously been arrested and indicted for the crimes ICE is again arresting them for, Many illegals even previously fully prosecuted for violent crimes: murder, rape, child molestation, violent assault, prostitution, drug trafficking, human trafficking, and other things that are unquestionably crimes.
These were people already arrested and jailed by local Minneapolis police. That in most of the 50 states, local police would just keep in custody and transfer custody over in handcuffs to ICE agents. I've repeatedly seen the statistic that 70% of those arrested have already been prosecuted and jailed for the crimes ICE is arresting them for. And probably the rest for lesser nonviolent crimes, like say, insurance fraud, or lying on a VISA applicattion, or marrying your brother to get him into the U.S. (yes, we mean YOU, Ilhan Omar).


So... defending violent criminal illegals who prey on Americans, who prey on legal immigrants, and prey on other illegals. What is in there to be "Very proud of MN" about, for harassing police over?

And even the narrative that they are "MN" is a lie.
They are Soros/Left-funded professional activists, professional agitators, IMPORTED FROM OTHER STATES (not "MN") to incite violence and attack ICE officers, in a deliberate organized effort to create incidents like Renee Good, where their own attacks on officers are getting these Leftists injured or killed. All in a deliberate attempt to escalate tensions and create another George Floyd level incident, that creates rioting in Minneapolis, in the Leftist hope of spreading that destabilization to hundreds of cities nationwide.

This is again part of a larger continuous Leftist movement, that is woven through Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, the Open Borders movement, "No Kings", and now "Anti-ICE", ALL set up to foment nationwide chaos and insurrection in a full-press across the entire United States.
For the specific goal of overthrowing the United States, and installing a one-party authoritarian Democrat-Bolshevik marxist-socialist government, where (consistent with cancel-culture, Democrat weaponization of the IRS, FBI and DOJ over the last 20 years, leftist Saul Alinsky tactics of violence and intimidation , Cloward-Piven strategy to overload he government with debt to the point hat it collapses and allows he Left to radically reform the government amid the chaos that cloaks their radical transformation. And utilizing the developed techniques Soros and his groups have used , have overthrown over a dozen Eastern European governments over the last 30 years.
And having refined those tactics in Europe, began using front groups like Antifa, BLM and "Anti-ICE" to do the same here, to overthrow the United States.

The radicals in the streets in Minneapolis are behaving like an insurrectionist army. They are clearly well-funded and trained to incite incidents they can use as propaganda to spread their rioting and chaos further. They have weapons to attack police, they have their own medics, they have gas masks, and plenty of of frozen water bottles that are essentially bricks to throw at police, at non-compliant independent journalists, and at anyone else who protests in support of the police or Trump.
I'm sill figuring out: "why frozen water bottles"?
My guess is that they have the same weight and injury potential as actual bricks, but when they melt, the "Anti-ICE" protesters can pretend they were always just harmless water bottles, not the intended weapons they actually are.
And many of these protesters are paid agitators, earning $200 a day to be there.

This is not spontaneous protest, it is very organized and very well funded, very manipulated to escalate. It is nothing less than an attempt to overthrow the United States. A trained and well-funded insurrectionist army, operating under various NGO front-names over the last 18 years, just as were used by Soros for 30 years in eastern Europe. Whether "Occupy Wall Street", BLM, Antifa, "Open Borders, "No More Kings" or "Anti-ICE", they are all one movement, funded by hundreds of millions in dark money from hidden wealthy sources. And it takes hundreds of millions in funding to orchestrate protests and riots simultaneously in hundreds of cities across the U.S., repeatedly, by multiple front groups using different names every few years.

China and Islamic countries are also funding these protests and riots. Just as the Soviet Union did, funding communist newspapers, the Black Panthers, the Weather Underground and other leftist radical groups in the 1960's and 1970's. They are enemies on our own soil, working with foreign enemies to de-sabilize and overhrow the United States.

I saw Chad Wolf, former acting ICE director in Trump's first term, who said ICE under his watch dealt with similar ongoing insurrections in Seattle and Portland, where Democrat mayors, governors and local officials gave no cooperation or local police support to federal agents, and that ICE had to put up with this for 2 or 3 months each time, but local officials eventually broke under pressure and provided assistance to ICE.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Another person murdered by ice not long after my last post. Lots of video of them shooting a motionless body.

Another person alleged to be "murdered" (fake liberal narrative)... who brought a gun, fought wih Border Patrol agents, and was carrying 2 additional clips of bullets. That is the formula for a mass shooter, like happened in Uvalde, or Sandy Hook, or a Nashville Christian school.

What were ICE agents supposed to do, just stand there and wait to get shot by this lunatic?

I saw an FBI anti-terrorism expert interviewed, Jonathan T. Gilliam, and he said for this 37 year old "vicitm" to be licensed to purchase and own a gun, he would necessarily have gone through mandatory training NOT to do what he did when interacting wih police, that got him shot.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/border-patrol-involved-shooting-reported-minneapolis

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There’s video of the nurse who ice murdered having a cell phone out and recording ice as they pushed him back. This was a murder


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And they are blocking the state from investigating this one as well as Good’s murder. With all the videos though it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t attacking ICE but recording them. ICE gets his gun and then started firing away. I know we’re not going to get justice right away but it will be coming


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
And they are blocking the state from investigating this one as well as Good’s murder. With all the videos though it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t attacking ICE but recording them. ICE gets his gun and then started firing away. I know we’re not going to get justice right away but it will be coming

Gee, I can't imagine why !!

It is clear from governor Tim Walz, to mayor Jacob Frey, to the uber-woke senior officers of the Minneapolis police department who puddle up at press conferences when they discuss their white guilt and sympathy for criminals, to an incredibly poisonous and corrupt MN attorney general Keith Ellison, to Rep. Ilhan Omar (whose district is part of Minneapolis, and mysteriously went from $35.000 in personal savings a year ago, to $30 MILLION in savings now... on a 175,000 a year salary.
*AND* married her brother in a bit of VISA fraud to get her brother illegally into the U.S.

ALL these people spit venom in ICE and DHS's direction every chance they get, they are incredibly corrupt and neck-deep in Somali fraud kickbacks and buying Somali-immigrant votes by looking the other way, ignoring at least $9 billion in Somali HHS and insurance fraud. To get re-elected, and simultaneously enrich themselves on that fraud.
These Minnesota officials live for the opportunity to slander and falsely accuse ICE.

So yeah, they cannot be trusted to do a fair investigation of either the Renee Good shooting, or the present shooting today.
I'm not even sure I trust the 97% Democrat donating FBI to investigate these shootings fairly, without a Democrat/Leftist talking-points bias.

FBI has about 38,000 agents. Of that 5,000 alone were set aside under Biden and Wray to investigate and prosecute January 6th protesters.
Plus even more FBI agents tasked with investigating and maliciously prosecuting (to intimidate and silence conservatives nationwide) parents at PTA meetings just obectting to woke indocrinaion in their local schools.
And more FBI agents prosecuting pro-life activists who were not blocking or involved in any violence, but were sentenced to years in jail for just PRAYING SILENTLY outside an abortion clinic.
And various other conservatives investigated by even more FBI agents as a "dangerous white supremacist threat to democracy" (most of whom were identified by FBI as "white supremacists", despite that they clearly aren't, but it was a way for Democrat-Bolsheviks in the FBI to sell the Democrat party narrative that these conservatives are somehow dangerous, in an effort to make the Republican party radioactive to voters. But Trump won anyway, because it was clearly untrue, and malicious prosecution.

So combined, in the neigborhood of at least 10,000 FBI agents devoted exclusively to the "Right wing white supremacist threat to national security" (I believe those are both Joe Biden and Merrick Garland's exact words) just to sell the narrative that Republicans are dangerous, to get low-information voters to vote Democrat. But a majority of Americans in Nov 2024 didn't buy that narrative, and saw who the real dangerous radicals in government were.

I'm not comfortable that Kash Patel only fired 2,000 of these FBI agents, and not all 10,000, who are clearly Leftist fanatics to willingly do what they did for four years, and even during Trump's first term, and Obama's 8 years, and as I've cited, even during George W. Bush's 2 terms, to literally thousands of conservatives,
AND the Mar A Lago raid.
AND the malicious prosecutions of Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and dozens of others close to Trump, even prosecuted Trump's lawyers, that these FBI agents clearly knew were innocent, but still maliciously prosecuted them, bankrupted them in legal fees, and forced them to sign plea deals for crimes they did not commit, but agreed to sign anyway, just to end their ordeal.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
There’s video of the nurse who ice murdered having a cell phone out and recording ice as they pushed him back. This was a murder

How about.. we let the professionals investigate the video and the full facts, before we jump the gun with half-baked accusations of "murder".

Even in the almost month-old case of Renee Good, I'm willing to at least entertain the idea that the ICE officer acted improperly, even though all that is known at this point (Renee Good slamming her car in reverse, then slamming it in drive, spinning the tires as she attempted to run over the ICE agent even a few seconds sooner, but spun her tires so was not able to hit him with more momentum. But he was still injured and hospitalized with internal bleeding, even with the lesser impact. If her tires had gotten full traction, she likely would have killed him.

Bu in both incidents, and a third, everyone investigating has to objectively consider that ICE or Border Patrol agents could possibly be either innocent or guilty. In the case of Renee Good, I waited for evidence on her behalf to be revealed, but it never came, the evidence all supported the ICE agent's act of shooting to defend himself.

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The corrupt federal government has decided the narrative of what happened already despite all the videos showing the truth. This won’t be forgotten and those responsible will be held accountable.


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BREAKING: The family of Alex Pretti releases a powerful statement about his senseless murder at the hands of Trump's masked fascist goons.

Please share this far and wide...

"We are heartbroken but also very angry. Alex was a kindhearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends and also the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital," the family said in a statement provided to CNN.

"Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately he will not be with us to see his impact. I do not throw around the hero term lightly. However his last thought and act was to protect a woman."

"The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump’s murdering and cowardly ICE thugs. He has his phone in his right hand and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down all while being pepper sprayed."

"Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. Thank you."

It is our responsibility as Americans to get the truth out there. Petti was not attempting to harm anyone. He was swarmed, beaten, and disarmed by vicious federal agents who were looking for someone to hurt. Once they had removed his gun — which he had a legal permit to carry — they executed him in cold blood by firing numerous bullets into him. Then, the Trump administration proceeded to immediately falsely smear him as a "terrorist" who wanted to carry out a mass shooting against law enforcement. They're utterly shameless.

“He cared about people deeply and he was very upset with what was happening in Minneapolis and throughout the United States with ICE, as millions of other people are upset,” said Pretti's father Alex. “He thought it was terrible, you know, kidnapping children, just grabbing people off the street. He cared about those people, and he knew it was wrong, so he did participate in protests.”

Rest in power Alex. The rest of us will carry on the fight.
Rest In Peace Alex ????


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The overplaying of the hand continues.

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They murdered someone again and then immediately lied about what occurred. All the conservatives not speaking up that know better are being complicit. This is the continuing slide to authoritarianism.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
They murdered someone again and then immediately lied about what occurred. All the conservatives not speaking up that know better are being complicit. This is the continuing slide to authoritarianism.


What ACTUALLY happened is: You, and the broader Democrat/Left are jumping to make the Pretti shooting fit your narrative, before the facts are known, as you do every single time on a story like this. CNN, MSNOW and the rest of the liberal media are one billion percent in the tank for the Democra/Left and against Trump/Republicans, no matter what the facts. So they can be predicted to support and stoke the Soros/Left's angry narrative, every single time

In this particular case, I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, that this might not be a justified shooting. But I'm saying: Wait for the facts at least a week or so, till we have some details, much more than is known now.

I'm waiting for an FBI or other internal Border Patrol / ICE / DHS investigation to determine precisely what the facts are --with far more detachment and neutrality than the Democrat party and the media.

I watched that video about 15 times, and it's really difficult from the video to determine exactly what happened. And on any network (I watched the same story on Fox, Newsmax, CNN and MSNOW) the video is always very tiny and inset, never enlarged to full screen, and it's often hard to tell even who the protesters are, and who the ICE/BP agents are. These protesters in Minneapolis are harassing and harassing, shouting in the faces of these agents for hours, every day. ICE and BP agents have no local Minnesota State police backup or support , no local Minneapolis police to back them up. And they have people screaming at them from all sides and blowing whistles for hours every day, and they never know when one might come at them, physically assault agents, or pull a gun or other weapon on agents.

That wouldn't hypothetically make it right if agents deliberately or accidentally used excessive force, or just made an honest mistake, but that is the reality of agents' situation in Minneapolis every day. They are totally on their own in Minneapolis, and at times if they don't use force, this mob that outnumbers them could severely beat or kill them, run over them with a car (as happened wih Renee Good, and in hundreds of other clashes with ICE, by both protesters, and by criminals they move to capture). Or protesters could disable agents with tear gas or other weapons so the illegal criminals they are arresting could have an opening to injure or kill the agents. Because the mob is emboldened, no one else, not even local police will come to agents' aid. That's just the reality and context for ICE and BP agents in Minneapolis.



In the video shown, what I saw, this male nurse guy who was shot, named Alex Pretti, age 37, was on the street video-recording agents with his cel phone, while ICE agents pursue illegal criminals. I'll go out on a limb and assume Peretti was not as antagonistic and in agents' faces with smart-alecky insults as Renee Good and her lesbian wife (on video, beyond question) were. But in the Peretti video, agents asked a girl to step out of the way and she wouldn't, and one agent shoved her away and she fell to the ground, and then Alex Pretti jumped in and got between agents and this girl.
He interfered.
And as we all know now, Pretti was carrying a concealed handgun, and had two clips of extra ammunition

. I think both agent Bovino, and DHS secretary Kristi Noem both made presumptuous statements on social media that Pretti was "definitely" there to do violence, or Noem's social media remark that he was a "terrorist".
I wish they used lesser rhetoric, that the fact he was so heavily armed "is suspicious", rather than assuming absolute criminal/terrorist intent. Or that Pretti had "POSSIBLE" bad motives, but they overstated the facts, and should have not jumped the gun before investigators confirmed Pretti's known or possible motives, as will become visible from interviewing friends, family members, neighbors, co-workers and from Pretti's own social media posts.
I think based on the Left and the liberal media's consistent aggressive narrative in each shooing or riot situation, for going on 2 decades, I think Bovino and Noem both tried to get ahead of that forming Leftist narrative, to establish the narrative themselves first, before the Left defined the narrative and public thought before they could. I think that was a mistake, but I understand why they did it. But my advice to them is the same as I have for you: Wait for the facts from investigators, and then gain trust by telling us the facts when you know them. I think off-the-cuff saying Pretti "definitely" had bad intent, or that he's a "terrorist" , lowers credibility of Bovino and Noem, that like the media and the Democrat leadership, Bovino and Noem ried to just selling a narrative, rather than knowing the facts first. And because they did that, they have to re-establish trust that they are from this point forward consistently sticking to only the known facts, if they want to regain the public's trust.


One report I saw said Pretti was carrying no I.D., which is odd, particularly for someone carrying a gun and fully loaded with 2 extra clips of ammunition. Hypothetically to law enforcement (DEFINITELY not proven or in evidence at this point) is that he could have wanted to hide his identity even if arrested, or could have been on a suicide mission, or a Luigi Mangione type of plan, and not carrying I.D. would prevent him from being identified quickly. Those are the kind of scenarios law enforcement could be looking at.

But back to the video of what happened:
A female protester was clashing with the BP agents, the agents yell at her to get out of the way, when she would not, they pushed her away and she fell to the ground. At that point Pretti got involved, trying to help her, and tried to block agents from getting to her. Then it looks to me like agents restrained Pretti for interfering with their work, and pushed him down on the ground to arrest him. Pretti resisted and resisted, and so more officers got involved, and at some point got in a circle around Pretti, attempting to restrain him, and some began kicking him. That could be perceived as excessive force, and maybe it was.



An officer I talked to 30-plus years ago about the Rodney King beating in the L.A. riots was surprisingly against what the L.A. cops did in beating King. He said that it was an embarrassment to cops all over the U.S., that no matter what Rodney King did, even throwing a few punches at the officers (as seen on video) as they tried to cuff King, that their job is only to arrest him, cuff him, put him in the car, and take him to jail, not to administer punishment, no matter what King did to the arresting cops. That punishment should only administered by a judge and prosecutors and a jury, not by police. And he described what the four L.A. officers did as "unprofessional policing."
Another rationalization is that the 4 L.A. officers needed to beat Rodney King because he was so much larger than any of the four officers, and they could not otherwise control him. But this same officer said to me that four officers together can easily arrest and cuff a guy as large as Rodney King, WITHOUT resorting to beating him.

So... maybe if they were arresting Alex Pretti, not a huge guy, these agents kicking him used excessive force.

In the agents' defense, in the moment he was struggling with officers and knocked to the ground, his clothes could have been pulled up so his gun became visible, and that panicked one or several of the officers to fire on him. After Pretti was on the ground being kicked, it's hard to see from that point forward the exact moment he was fired on. One report (unknown if that was accurate, or just "breaking news" and not confirmed) said the agents fired ten shots at Pretti.

I actually think Pretti would have been in less danger if he was only struggling with one agent, but in a group around Peretti, other agents might not have known what was happening that the agent closest to Peretti could see. It's all speculation at this point. One agent could have panicked and fired, and others could have drawn their guns and fired, not fully knowing, but trusting that if one saw enough to fire, the other agents figured they were in danger and fired too. Or Pretti could have attempted to draw his gun and fire on them. We don't know, that's what shooting investigations are for.



I will say that, at the early stage, in the three shootings that occurred, the first two Minneapolis ICE shootings were more clearly self-defense by the agents ( the Renee Good, shooting, and the ICE agent who chased an illegal criminal and then was ambushed by two of his criminal illegal friends who beat him with a shovel and a broom until he drew his gun and shot one in the leg).

The third case wih Alex Pretti is more complicated, because he was surrounded by multiple agents, and multiple agents shot Pretti. It is a least initially unclear what exactly happened. Every agent will have to make a statement, and every witness, and even then it might not be clear what happened. Hopefully each agent had a body camera.

I see a least 3 scanarios :

(1) Pretti could have been a real threat to the agents, intending to fire on them.

(2) The agents could have been justified in shooting in legitimate self-defense, where he may NOT have been about to shoot at the agents, but agents had legitimate reason to believe that he would, and fired on him.

(3) Agents could have made a mistake, and fired on him when they shouldn't have.


Frankly, while the shooting might have been justified, multiple agents kicking him on the ground looks like excessive force. That could be excessive force that led to an excessive shooting.

I'd be inclined to say the gun and two clips of ammo make it look like a justified shooting. Why bring that much firepower to a peaceful demonstration?

But I think the kickings will hurt the case for the agents. I'll be interested to see what Alex Pretti's comments to friends, and social media posts reveal about him. Whether he was a radical Leftist revolutionary, or more of a peaceful pacifist. But I question why a pacifist would carry that much firepower, particularly when he knew was going out where he could be involved in verbal or physical confrontation with police.
From Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Sandy Hook, the Aurora Colorado movie theatre shooting, and every other case over the last 20 years, there are details we haven' been told yet, that could completely flip our perceptions about how this has been reported. So let's wait for those facts to be revealed.

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THE FAR-LEFT NETWORK THAT HELPED PUT ALEX PRETTI IN HARM'S WAY, THEN MADE HIM A MARTYR
Encrypted Signal messages show 'rapid responders' mobilized demonstrators to harass federal agents, then socialist groups capitalized on killing to foment protests
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-network-helped-put-alex-pretti-harms-way-made-him-martyr



  • January 25, 2026



    The skirmish that led to Saturday's fatal shooting of an agitator by Border Patrol agents in Minneapolis and the response that followed were driven by a complex network of far-left organizations with a wide range of causes, a Fox News Digital investigation found.

    A coordinated web of encrypted chats, street alerts and tracking of ICE "Abductors" in a sophisticated database reviewed by Fox News Digital shows that agitators were already mobilized at the scene where 37-year-old Alex Pretti was killed minutes before any shots were fired.

    ICE and Border Patrol agents were there to arrest an illegal immigrant criminal, and Pretti and others were there, outside a donut shop, to meet them as part of a strategic pattern of organized interference with law enforcement operations.


    Over the following hours, a national network of socialist, communist and Marxist-Leninist cells in the United States leveraged the tragic fatality into a nationwide protest operation. While grief and outrage over Pretti's death is genuine, the network's real-time rapid response, using short sensational video clips and emojis as weapons of propaganda, offers a window into the disciplined logistics, messaging and coordination of far-left warriors fomenting insurgency-like confrontation with authorities.

    VANCE CALLS MINNEAPOLIS UNREST 'ENGINEERED CHAOS' AFTER DEADLY SHOOTING



    "This level of engineered chaos is unique to Minneapolis. It is the direct consequence of far left agitators, working with local authorities," Vice President JD Vance observed in a Sunday post on X.

    The encrypted Signal messages obtained by Fox News Digital in real time show that anti-ICE "rapid responders" were actively tracking, broadcasting and summoning "backup" around federal agents outside Glam Doll Donuts on Nicollet Avenue, where the shooting happened. Local "rapid responders" made at least 26 entries into a database called "MN ICE Plates" in the critical hours before and after the killing, documenting the license plate numbers and details of alleged ICE vehicles they claimed to see around Nicollet Avenue.

    The entry at row 344 read, "At the nicollet [sic] murder," chronicling a black Jeep Wagoneer at the location with agents allegedly "involved in shooting." Row 338 had a "Glam Doll Donuts" entry, tracking a black Ford Taurus.

    BONDI BLAMES MINNEAPOLIS LEADERS AFTER ARMED SUSPECT KILLED, UNREST


    At 9:50 a.m. ET, just before the killing, a user identified as "Willow" shared a 22-second video on an encrypted Signal chat for anti-ICE "rapid responders."


    "26and 3rd," wrote "Willow," quickly following up with, "Outside Glam Doll."

    The video showed two agents, one wearing a vest marked "POLICE," studying the front door of Glam Doll before walking away, past a sign in the window that read, "ICE OUT OF MINNESOTA."

    As the camera rolled, the person filming yelled, "No!"

    The camera followed the agents as they returned to a maroon Dodge Durango, passing another sign in the window that read, "ALL WELCOME HERE."

    In the video, someone shouted, "Get out of here!"

    Just three minutes later, at 9:53 a.m. ET, a second Signal user, "Salacious B. Crumb," escalated the alert, summoning additional responders and citing the same vehicle and agents.

    "Backup needed at the Black Forest Inn parking lot on Nicollet Ave just south of 26th Street," the message read.


    DHS SAYS ICE AGENTS RAMMED BY VEHICLES AMID MINNEAPOLIS ENFORCEMENT SURGE: 'AGGRESSIVELY ASSAULTED'

    "Multiple vehicles with many agents appear to be staging there," the alert continued. "One confirmed ICE vehicle seen was a maroon Dodge Durango [plate number], but it has driven away northbound on Nicollet." Fox News Digital has redacted the Florida license plate number included in the original message.

    ICE Assistant Director Marcos Charles said Sunday that the violence on the streets was "not a coincidence," considering the "chaos and mayhem" that agitators are fomenting in Minneapolis. At the same press conference, Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) Commander-at-Large Greg Bovino confirmed that Pretti was "on the scene several minutes" before the fatal shooting.

    Video of the scene shows that as Pretti stepped into the middle of Nicollet Avenue to direct traffic, fellow agitators could be heard blowing whistles to alert locals that ICE officers were around. Soon after, Pretti ended up in a street confrontation with CBP agents, across the street from Glam Doll Donuts outside a worn storefront marked "NEW AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT CENTER," a nonprofit focused on immigration entry programs for Somalis.

    Within minutes, at about 10:05 a.m. ET, at least one CBP agent shot Pretti, killing him.

    MINNESOTA ICE OFFICIAL URGES PROTESTS TO REMAIN PEACEFUL AMID TENSIONS 'LIKE NOTHING I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE'

    At 10:18 a.m. ET, the Signal network erupted.


    Using a red phone emoji to signal an all-points alert, a message blasted out: "?? easy. URGENT: observers urgently requested at glam doll donuts @ 26th & nicollet [sic]," the alert continued. "an observer has been shot by ice, unknown condition, emts [emergency medical technicians] present, please be safe. EDIT: medics requested to join perimeter in case agents start gassing. be aware there are many agents and mpd [Minneapolis Police Department] officers present."

    Within minutes, far-left activists descended on Nicollet Avenue. Soon after, a video showed corrugated boxes of supplies apparently lined up on a Minneapolis sidewalk for protesters, including boxes marked "DESINER MASKS" [sic] and "FREE WINTER HATS," next to piles of bottled water.

    MINNESOTA AGITATORS STALK, PELT BORDER PATROL AGENTS WITH FOOD AND SPIT AT GAS STATIONS, DHS SAYS



    Within hours, socialist leaders turbocharged their "rapid responders" in Minneapolis and mobilized street protesters from New York City to Los Angeles.

    Media outlets, including CNN and MSNOW, described "angry protesters" but failed to identify the ideological networks behind the mobilization, even as protesters flashed their signs with their logos and names, touting socialism, communism and Marxism, on camera.

    The Minneapolis activation marked the beginning of an almost instantaneous weekend surge by far-left organizations, including hardened socialist and communist groups operating in an ecosystem that national security experts describe as an insurgent-style operation designed to exploit tragedy to wage a domestic political war.

    The strategy mirrors past mobilizations, including the aftermath of George Floyd’s killing in May 2020, and exploits well-intentioned public sympathy by rapidly framing Pretti — an intensive care unit nurse at a Veterans Administration hospital — as a symbol of resistance, much like Renee Good, the first victim of an ICE shooting in Minneapolis.


    Just as they responded in real-time to mobilize "comrades" to march on the streets within 12 hours of the U.S. arrest of Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro in early January, socialist, communist and Marxist-Leninist groups now frame their activation as an action within the "belly of the beast" against the "hyperimperialism" of the United States.

    VANCE CALLS MINNEAPOLIS UNREST 'ENGINEERED CHAOS' AFTER DEADLY SHOOTING



    Based on a digital analysis of scores of rapid-response messages following the killing on Saturday, a hub of communist and socialist nonprofit organizations emerged as key organizers of the protests. Many of them are funded by American-born billionaire Neville Roy Singham, a self-declared Marxist-Leninist living in Shanghai. Some are also offshoots of the People’s Forum Inc., a nonprofit hub Singham has funded in New York City since 2017 as an "incubator" for socialist and communist groups. The People's Forum declined requests for comment.

    At 10:48 a.m. ET, BreakThrough News, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit and propaganda arm of the People’s Forum, broke the news widely of the killing, sharing a video recorded from inside the Glam Doll Donut shot of the tussle outside, punctuated by gunshots and frantic narration, "Holy s--t. What the f---!...Did they f---ing kill that guy? F---ing kidding me, dude."

    BreakThrough News put a dramatic black-and-white caption over the video: "BREAKING: Another CBP Shooting in Minneapolis." By Sunday afternoon, the video had 4.1 million views, alongside the outlet’s calls to support the People’s Republic of China, Venezuela’s Maduro and the communist revolution in Cuba.

    Before the video cuts off, someone can be heard saying, "Yo, we need people on site!"

    MINNESOTA SOCIALISTS TELL WORKERS TO FAKE SICK LEAVE FOR ANTI-ICE PROTESTS

    [ and plenty more at the link ]




And all this is PERFECTLY OKAY with M E M and the Democrat-Bolsheviks. They just call ICE agents and Trump "Nazi thugs" , and act like all this had no role in the shooting. When the Left has been pushing on every front in Minneapolis and other blue states for EXACTLY this kind of incident to occur.
And then they blame Trump and the agents, for a situation the Soros-funded Left has spent millions and an army of activists across muliple cities nationwide to orchestrate.

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Everything wrong with the world is the liberals' fault, Donald Trump created rainbows, ice cream, and sunshine. Fox News and the right-wing hate sites told me so.


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One of the Minisota rioters tried to pick up a flash bang and throw it back at law enforcement. Of course it went off in his hand. Now that leftist will be a leftie the rest of his life.


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Everything wrong with the world is the liberals' fault, Donald Trump created rainbows, ice cream, and sunshine. Fox News and the right-wing hate sites told me so.


Okay, JLA, I know you're havin' fun wih the jokes, but I did just cite a lot of facts about how this huge Democrat-Marxist machine is funding these simultaneous protests in hundreds of cities across the United States.
And to even do that once costs hundreds of millions of dollars. And they (the Democrat party and the hardcore America-hating Communist hammer-and-sickle globalist Left, increasingly aligned since Oct 2023 with the America-hating worldwide islamic movement) are ALL working together through these demonstrations to push a Marxist / socialist overthrow of the United States.

"Occupy Wall Street", Black Lives Matter, Antifa, the Open Borders movement, "Free Palestine", "No More Kings", "anti-ICE" and whatever the next one is, it'a all one continuous radical-Left Marxist push to overthrow Trump, and by overthrowing the most unflinching and fearless defender of the U.S., to fully overthrow the United States.


It's not about pink rainbows and unicorns, it's about a very real globalist / Marxist push to topple any government that gets on the way of their global Marxist revolution, .whether it is the U.S., Britain, Germany, France, italy, Hungary, Rumania, Brazil, Argentina, or any number of other nations in Eastern Europe where Soros developed these NGO tactics used to topple democracies in the 1990's, to replace them with one-party authoritarian "Socialist"-Marxist governments. And once perfecting those techniques in eastern Europe, has since 2004-forward, begun his Lefist assault to overhrow the United States.
And this isn't conspiracy theory, the Left has been openly boasting about this revolution and power-grab for at least the last 20 years.

When George Soros got McCain-Feingold passed in 2004, what was froned as "campaign finance reform" took away the Democrat party's traditional party funders, and the various web of Soros-funded groups swept in and took over funding the DNC, seizing control of the Democrat party.
As the head of MoveOn.org boasted in an e-mail at he time: "We bought the Democrat party, we own it."

And that's why the Democrat party has gotten more and more crazy-Left every two years since 2004. There's no going back for the DNC, and this is no longer the same Democrat party as under FDR, JFK, LBJ and Jimmy Carter. This is the full-on communist Left that now owns the Democrat party.

As former Leftist professor David Horowitz said in his book THE SHADOW PARTY, "While the Left trades favors with some in the Republican party, the Democrat party is their chosen instrument to destroy the United States.
And we see more examples of that every day.

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Originally Posted by Lothar of The Hill People
One of the Minisota rioters tried to pick up a flash bang and throw it back at law enforcement. Of course it went off in his hand. Now that leftist will be a leftie the rest of his life.

lol

Always a Leftist, now a leftie too.

I thought I already linked a story about a "peaceful" protester who bit off an agent's finger. Fanatical.
But since I apparenly didn't link it, here it is.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-ice...fficers-finger-during-minneapolis-attack

Unclear who the biter is in the shown photos, but one is a fairly attractive girl. It makes you wonder if she ever got mad at an ex and... bit something else off.

If it's her and she's named in an indictment, she'll be known for he rest of her life as "the biter"...and guys who might otherwise give it a shot, will think twice.

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Bovineo is out, Homan is in. That’s the equivalent of changing your shirt after you shit your pants.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Bovineo is out, Homan is in. That’s the equivalent of changing your shirt after you shit your pants.

Tom Homan is a guy who was lionized by Democrats during the Barack Obama presidency for the excellent job he was doing deporting illegals. Now that Homan is doing he same job rounding up illegals, and not even yet in the same numbers, he is demonized by the Left and called a "Nazi / Fascist" for doing the exact same job.

But if a Democrat were president... perfectly okay!

Homan started as a Border Patrol agent and has been in border security since the early Reagan years, over 40 years. ONLY NOW do Democrats have a problem with him, because Dems have absoluely lost their minds. They "dox" and threaten Homan and other agents, threaten their homes, their wives, their families. They bite their fingers off. Homan has said he doesn't live wih his wife and family right now, for their safetty. The only thing different in the last 40 years is he's doing the eexact same job now for Trump, and only for that, the hero has been transformed by the Democratt-Left propaganda machine into a villain.

Even the fact that their rhetoric is resulting in ongoing attempts to kill Homan and other agents hasn't made Dems lower their rhetoric.
But then... a majority of these same maniacs want to kill President Trump and Elon Musk, and cheer creepily at the deaths of Charlie Kirk and other conservatives. Burning Teslas, burning cities, attacking even independent journalists who even question their narrative talking points.

https://thepostmillennial.com/55-of...ts-somewhat-justified-to-kill-trump-poll

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-bomb...ure-spreading-left-under-president-trump

You're utterly immune to facts, and how deeply evil your party has become.
The same mindset as in Leninist/Stalinist Russia, in Maoist China, or Castro and Che Gueverra's Cuba. An angry murderous mob, out to slaughter anyone who disagrees with them. Spoon-fed Lefttist talking points, that they think rationalizes every crazy violent act they do.

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I might also add, you posted a "Letter from Pretti's parents".
As sourced and linked in my long post above about the Marxist/Communist communications machine that motivates thousands of Pretti's in cities across the U.S., and successfully got Pretti to martyr himself by fighing wih BP agents, while Pretti was armed with a handgun and 2 extra ammo clips (who goes to confront cops and "peacefully protest"... with a gun?)

That letter was written by a Communist front group, and has a very Communist/Red Army look in its original form (photo shown).

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-network-helped-put-alex-pretti-harms-way-made-him-martyr

It sounded like propaganda when I initially read what you copy-and-pasted. And it IS propaganda.

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Alex Pretti's parents speak after son's death, say they warned him not to engage with feds
"We had this discussion with him two weeks ago or so, you know, that go ahead and protest, but do not engage, do not do anything stupid, basically."

https://thepostmillennial.com/alex-...ay-they-told-him-not-to-engage-with-feds



Which he did anyway... and got killed.

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But he didn’t engage them. You can see on the video they attacked him. And then the Trump administration lied about it despite evidence to the contrary


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Bovineo is out, Homan is in. That’s the equivalent of changing your shirt after you shit your pants.

Orange pedo throws another loyalist under the bus.


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But standing by crusty gnome. Imagine what they lie about when there isn’t video! Some good news is it is getting some republicans speaking out.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
But he didn’t engage them. You can see on the video they attacked him. And then the Trump administration lied about it despite evidence to the contrary


That's a delusional interpretaion of what the video clearly shows. Pretti first brought a 9mm automatic with 2 extra clips of bullets, at least 30 rounds, loaded up for a conflict. It was also revealed today (by CNN) that Pretti the sainted pacifist, had a cracked rib from another conflict he was in with another ICE agent earlier in the week.
For a "peaceful guy who wouldn't hurt anybody", he sure gets in a lot of scraps, and all by aggressively pursuing ICE agents.

In the video you say "they attacked him".
NO, clearly not.

There was a woman protester who was getting in the face of a BP agent and wouldn't get away from him, and loudly blew a whistle right in the agent's ear. He could have arrested her, but just shoved her out of the way so he could do his job, and she fell to the ground.
That's when Pretti jumped in and began obsructing the BP agent. Then the agent pushed Pretti to the ground to arrest him, and other BP agents began grabbing at Pretti, Pretti he kept thrashing around and resisting arrest. And in the preliminary reports (still investigating) with Preti thrashing around, at some point his gun became visible and one agent yelled gun, and feeling endangered and needing to act, an agent drew his gun and fired at Pretti.

AGAIN, the terrorism expert I quoted above, who has worked for the military, local police, and several federal agencies, says that Pretti to even buy a gun had to go through mandatory training on what to do if armed and encountering a police officer. And that Pretti did the exact opposite of what he was trained to do. He put himself in that situation.

His parents told him 2 weeks ago not to engage agents, not to do "something stupid".
Against advice given just 2 weeks before he was shot, he ignored that advice, clashed with agents., and did something stupid. A whole series of stupid things. He came armed, he jumped between an agent and a female protester, already grabbing a BP agent, he further obstructed agents from doing their jobs, then he resisted arrest. If he'd just gone limp at some point, they would have just cuffed him, and he would not have been shot. And the combination of Pretti blocking officers, Pretti thrashing around resisting arrest, and Pretti having a concealed gun, got him killed.

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Watching the MAGA cult members wanting to disregard the 2nd Amendment is more hypocrisy.

Nothing sacred with those people, except blind loyalty to the orange pedo.


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I firmly believe in the 2nd Amendment, the right to own a gun and protect yourself.

But this was not self-protection, or compliance with gun-laws. Pretti ignored the mandatory concealed-carry training he received, on how to avoid a confrontation with police while carrying a firearm.
He did the exact opposite. ARMED, he picked a fight with police.
If he did the same thing in any other place with police present, like a shopping mall, or a school, or a church, or a gay night club, he would have similarly been fired upon.

"Right to bear arms" doesn't mean right to go armed into a potential riot situation, physically clash with cops, and make them think you're a Stoneman-Douglas high school type shooter, or a Uvalde type shooter, that they need to draw their guns on before they themselves are fired on by some unpredictable violent guy they don't know.


Gee, maybe they should have waited for Pretti to kill them first. I mean hey, the guy was only packing an extra 30 rounds. And had a scope on his pistol too. Who walks around with a laser-sight added on their pistol? I'd like to hear a plausible explanation for why he had a sight on his pistol and 30 rounds of ammunition, and why he was thrashing around WHILE ARMED and would not comply with BP officers, who would have only cuffed and arrested him if he'd complied.

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Alex Pretti was ‘known’ to feds, and had rib broken in anti-ICE protest a week before he was killed by Border Patrol

https://nypost.com/2026/01/27/us-ne...k-before-he-was-killed-by-border-patrol/


  • by Anthony Blair, NEW YORK POST, January 27 2026

    Alex Pretti was known to the feds and suffered a broken rib in a violent confrontation with agents a week before Border Patrol officers killed him in Minneapolis, according to a report.

    Pretti, an ICU nurse, told a pal he saw ICE agents chasing what he described as a family on foot, and stopped his car during the earlier incident around a week before he was shot last Saturday, CNN reported.

    He said he pulled over in his car and began shouting and blowing on a whistle, at which point he was tackled by five agents, the source said.


    Pretti claimed that one of the agents had left him with a broken rib after leaning on his back, the friend told CNN.

    “That day, he thought he was going to die,” the source said, adding that Pretti had been released by agents at the scene.

    Federal immigration officers had documented details about Pretti, along with other anti-ICE protesters in Minneapolis in recent weeks, CNN reported.

    A memo sent this month to agents dispatched to the city asked them to “capture all images, license plates, identifications, and general information on hotels, agitators, protestors, etc., so we can capture it all in one consolidated form,” the network reported.

    Although Pretti’s name was known to federal agents, according to the source, it isn’t known whether his information had been shared via the new intake form.

    It also isn’t clear whether Pretti recognized or was recognized by the federal agents he confronted in Minneapolis on Saturday.

    Video appears to show him being wrestled to the ground by agents before one of them removes Pretti’s gun from his waistband and another fatally shoots [him].

    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has denied that the agency has a database of alleged domestic terrorists.

    “We do, of course, monitor and investigate and refer all threats, assaults and obstruction of our officers to the appropriate law enforcement,” DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin told CNN in relation to a separate incident involving a federal agent in Maine.
    FBI Director Kash Patel has also said that his agency is investigating encrypted group chats on the app Signal, which are reportedly used by activists to share information about ICE activities.

    Such groups “create a scenario that illegally entraps and puts law enforcement in harm’s way,” Director Patel warned during an appearance on a conservative podcast Monday.

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He didn't even brandish the gun, Dave.

The orange pedo said that the victim shouldn't even had a gun on him, so much for the 2nd Amendment.

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I think he’s made it clear that only certain people should have rights. Fortunately there seems to be enough republicans who understand that if they’re not for everyone that also endangers their rights. Trump wouldn’t have otherwise gotten rid of Bovino. It’s really just arranging the deck chairs on the titatanic though. It’s still the same rotten administration that was willing to try to label Goode and Pretti as terrorists.


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I Was A Combat Soldier In Iraq. Here's The 1 Question Everyone Should Be Asking About ICE Right Now.
"When armed agents operate beyond the reach of law, they are no longer public servants. They are something else entirely."
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Diana Oestreich
Jan 28, 2026, 11:36 AM EST
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We have to be clear about what we are witnessing from Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Minnesota.
As a combat soldier, I recognize a mission when I see one — not because it’s announced, but because it’s being carried out. In the span of weeks, ICE and Border Patrol operations in Minneapolis have resulted in the deaths of two Minnesotans. In over a year of combat in Iraq, my battalion of 500 soldiers did not kill a single person.
That difference matters.
My unit spent 397 days on the battlefield. We were shot at. We feared for our lives. Snipers fired from crowds. Improvised explosive devices lined the roads we were ordered to clear. And still, we did not return fire unless strict conditions were met: The shooter had to be clearly identified, civilians could not be in the line of fire, and lethal force had to be the last resort.


Why? Because that was not our mission.
Our mission was to build bases, secure supply routes, and protect civilian life. We were governed by Rules of Engagement, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and the War Crimes Act. Violations were not brushed aside. Soldiers are criminally accountable when we break the law. That accountability is what separates professional soldiers from mercenaries.
This isn’t just my experience. It’s the standard.
This story is part of HuffPost’s commitment to fearlessly covering the Trump administration. You can support our work and protect the free press by contributing to our newsroom.
Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara stated publicly that, in 2025, the Minneapolis Police Department recovered roughly 900 guns from the street and arrested hundreds of violent offenders — and did not kill a single person.


Let that sit with you.
If the Minneapolis Police Department didn’t kill anyone in a year of active policing, and my combat unit didn’t kill anyone in over a year of war, Minnesotans — and all Americans — are right to ask why ICE and the Border Patrol have killed two people in my state in two weeks.
The answer is uncomfortable but unavoidable. Either this is their mission — or they are operating outside accountability.
Minnesota is demanding a full legal investigation into the killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretti, including allegations that lifesaving medical care was delayed or denied. Refusing transparency or investigation is not partisan disagreement. It is a constitutional failure.
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The author in Nasiriyah, Iraq, in 2003. "I was deployed with the Army's 724 Engineer Battalion in the preemptive strike/invasion of the Iraq war," she writes.
The author in Nasiriyah, Iraq, in 2003. "I was deployed with the Army's 724 Engineer Battalion in the preemptive strike/invasion of the Iraq war," she writes.COURTESY OF DIANA OESTREICH
When armed agents operate beyond the reach of law, they are no longer public servants. They are something else entirely.
Mercenaries are defined not only by who pays them but by what restrains them. Mercenaries answer to orders, not to law, ethics or public accountability. That is precisely why soldiers and law enforcement officers hold codes of conduct so fiercely. Without those codes, uniforms become disguises instead of safeguards.
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As a veteran, I refuse to accept mercenary behavior hiding behind federal badges on Minnesota soil. This is my home. Minnesota stands for liberty, justice and due process — not secrecy, immunity or violence without consequence.
Staff changes are not legal accountability. Silence is not justice. Justice delayed is justice denied.
Minnesotans are demanding a full, independent investigation under state law into the agents involved in these deaths. No one — federal or otherwise — is above the law of this land.
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If ICE and the Border Patrol cannot operate within the Constitution, with restraint, transparency and accountability, then they are not fit to carry out their mission in Minnesota — or anywhere else.
Because when force is untethered from law, our freedom is already in danger.
Diana Oestreich is a combat veteran, founder of The Waging Peace Project, and author of “Waging Peace: One Soldier’s Story of Putting Love First.” As an author, activist and soldier-turned-peacemaker, she’s a nationally recognized speaker at the intersection of justice, nonviolence, faith and how everyday peacemakers are challenging and changing our world.”


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“ Donald Trump’s administration is asking for permission to destroy evidence in its so-called investigation into the killing of Alex Pretti by Customs and Border Patrol agents.

The Trump administration filed a legal motion Monday opposing a federal judge’s order preventing it from tampering with evidence related to Pretti’s death, The New York Times reported. While it’s not uncommon for the Trump administration to oppose judges’ orders against it, this case seems particularly unnecessary—and suspicious.”

Not shocking and that’s sad in itself. How is this defensible?


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think he’s made it clear that only certain people should have rights. Fortunately there seems to be enough republicans who understand that if they’re not for everyone that also endangers their rights. Trump wouldn’t have otherwise gotten rid of Bovino. It’s really just arranging the deck chairs on the titatanic though. It’s still the same rotten administration that was willing to try to label Goode and Pretti as terrorists.


That's puting A TON of words in my mouth that I never said (i.e., you're a liar. )

Everyone should have the same 2nd Amendment rights. In this case, what I ACTUALLY said is Alex Pretti abused the terms of concealed carry.

You have a right to carry, but there are RULES for concealed carry, and when you fight with cops while carrying a handgun, and you thrash around and make them think you are about to fire on them, they will open fire first, and they did. It increasingly looks like a justified shooting, in self-defense.
No normal person can watch the multiple videos of Pretti revealed so far, and seriously allege this guy was "peaceful" or non-threatening.

And everyone should have the same free speech rights. But free speech is the right to speak your opinion publicly.
It is NOT the right to intimidate into silence others who disagree with you, NOT the right to come to Conservative free speech events or churches and shout them down and silence them at their own event.
]I is NOT the right to use violence, or the threat of violence, to intimidate ICE and Border Patrol agents or other government officials, or intimidate judges, or conservative, moderates, or liberal citizens. That is NOT a right, or free speech, or Constitutional. that is Leninism/Stalinism or Maoism. Or Nazism. Mob rule. Your side calls Trump and ICE and Border Patrol "Nazis", but is it YOU,THE DEMOCRATS, who adopt Nazi tactics of militancy, violence, intimidation, and attempting to snuff out free speech of any who oppose or disagree with you.




The fat hispanic lady on CNN (I think her name is Anna Navarro) said of Alex Pretti "This is a guy where everything about him looks perfect, that any mother would want her daughter to date". No, he looks in the videos like an out of control rage-aholic.
I guess Anna wants her daughter in a relationship with a wife-beater.

On Laura Ingraham last night, she had a lawyer with some expertise on 2nd Amendment concealed-carry issues, and she asked the lawyer, "Should someone with a concealed carry license bring their gun to a protest?"

And the lawyer answered "Well, frankly, if I went to a protest, I probably would be carrying. But I wouldn't get in a physical confrontation with police."
The point being, if you are going to physically fight police, then you should leave your gun at home.




This Alex Pretti guy not only picked a fight with police and physically confronted them, spitting at them, screaming profanity and insults at them, kicking their vehicles and smashing the tali-light on their SUV, and in every way trying to provoke police to come after him.
A week or so after his earlier video-recorded clashes, Pretti on Sunday grabbed at Border Patrol agents when a BP agent pushed another aggressive female protester to the ground because she was blocking the agents from doing their job. And when Pretti jumped in to to clash with an agent, thrashing around as the agent, and more agents, tried to arrest him, eventually Pretti's weapon became visible, and given his aggressiveness, an agent yelled "Gun, gun", and fearing for their safety with a violent armed aggressor, an agent opened fire.

After 5 days now of new video evidence and details against Pretti coming out, it becomes increasingly clear this guy wasn't peaceful and non-threatening, he was out there multiple times (on video) doing his best to provoke a fight wih ICE and BP agents.
Even Preti's parents two weeks ago advised him NOT to do... exactly what he did. And combined with being very angry and aggressive toward Border Patrol and ICE, Pretti was carrying enough bullets for a prolonged firefight. Or to slaughter multiple agents.




Originally Posted by M E M
Fortunately there seems to be enough republicans who understand that if they’re not for everyone that also endangers their rights.

That's crap. These are pandering RINO Republicans, who are caving in to the radical Left, who are afraid to take a stand for their conservative voters, who specifically elected them to support Trump's policy, securing the border, and deporting illegals. Litterally, the number one issue in polls, in 2024, and now.

Sen. Tom Tillis and Sen. Susan Collins fail to see that caving in to the Left just projects weakness that will inevitably make the rioting and attacks spread to countless other cities.
These rioters who are harassing ICE and BP agents should be aggressively stopped and jailed, not caved in to.
Is it easier to deal with confrontations like this in Minneapolis? Or after it spreads to 100 more cities nationwide? The George Floyd effect. Any weakness or deference to the mob, just emboldens the mob.


Regarding Greg Bovino, he has for decades been an officer in charge of Border Patrol, and in the last few months was brought in to ICE operations in several cities like L.A., New Orleans and Minneapolis to assist in ICE operations o arres criminal illegals released in major cities. But Bovino is a senior officer in Border Patrol, at some point would be re-assigned back, and has simply been returned to Border Patrol. He hasnt't been demoted or fired, he's simply been returned to command his region in Border Patrol, rather than continue doing ICE work he was temporarily assigned to assist with.



What you refer to as the "same rotten administration", has secured the border in an incredible 6 months, and stopped the flow of 12 to 15 million completely unvetted illegals who invaded during Biden's 4 years. And further has made the border the most secure it has been since Eisenhower was president.
And has simultaneously vastly cut the amount of drugs smuggled into the U.S,, and vastly cut the number of drug overdose deaths in he U.S., and other related crime.

It is THE DEMOCRAT party that is rotten and corrupt, they want rigged elections, using illegal immigrants to pad the population census for Democrat House districts, and who will vote overwhelmingly Democrat if allowed to, at a ratio of close to 100%, despite that they will not assimilate, and will be disproportionately welfare recipients and national security risks, and as is very much in the news, who are predatory criminals.
This is part of the Democrat party's push for a Bolshevik revolution, to rig the system and create a Democrat one-party authoritarian Socialist-Marxist state. The devastation they created under Biden, they will bring back with a vengeance if the Democrat-Bolsheviks ever regain power.

They want to make us over into Venezuela.

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I recognize you say you believe that but I also recognize that you don’t support those empty words. Pretti in the video isn’t swinging at the agents when they’re spraying stuff straight in his face. He turns his back to them and tries to help the woman up. At no point do you see Ice try to de-escalate the situation. Instead they escalate the situation with violence. It’s become a familiar scenario. And our administration has told them and us these masked killers have immunity.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I recognize you say you believe that but I also recognize that you don’t support those empty words. Pretti in the video isn’t swinging at the agents when they’re spraying stuff straight in his face. He turns his back to them and tries to help the woman up. At no point do you see Ice try to de-escalate the situation. Instead they escalate the situation with violence. It’s become a familiar scenario. And our administration has told them and us these masked killers have immunity.


I'll acknowledge that video of the Alex Pretti shooting is not as clearly on the side of law enforcement as it is in the Renee Good shooting.

But just the same, Alex Pretti is seen in video jumping a Border Patrol agent after the agent pushed aside a female activist who was deliberately preventing him from doing his job.
Pretti, as part of a group of activists, jumped in to further obstruct the BP agent from his work, and the agent tried to wrestle Pretti to the ground to arrest him, as Pretty thrashed around and resisted arrest, WHILE ARMED.
Because Pretti was resisting arrest, several other Border Patrol agents jumped in to restrain and subdue him, and Pretti continued to resist WHILE ARMED.
At some point (unclear in the video) agents saw under his clothes he was carrying a gun, and an agent yelled "gun, GUN!" and one or more agents drew a weapon and fired before they could be fired upon. There is an allegation (unconfirmed) that one of the agents had already confiscated Pretti's weapon before shots were fired. Or alternaely, they could have fired on Pretti while he was still armed. All of these agents had body cameras that document what happened, and will further give testimony to investigators of what they saw, and probably have already given depositions, while events are fresh in their minds.

Don't speculate on what you think I "believe", those are the facts.
And neither one of us is professionally employed doing internal investigations of police shootings.

Border Patrol agents in the Pretti shooting tried to de-escalate the situation by restraining and arresting Pretti.
It was PRETTI who escalated the situation by thrashing around and resisting arrest by multiple agents, WHILE ARMED with a pistol and two extra clips of ammunition. Highly aggressive and angry and provoking agents on this occasion and in at least 2 prior videotaped incidents. As I said previously, amid confusion of muliple agents trying o restrain Pretti, an agent could have made a mistake when firing on Pretti, but whether 100% by the book or not, there was legitimate reason to think Pretti, armed, posed a threat to them, that justified firing on him.

It has been pointed out that if anything, UNDER-policing ten days prior, when Pretti (ON VIDEO) kicked out the tail-light on an ICE vehicle. Agents on that day got out of their SUV, wrestled Pretti to the ground and cuffed him, but ultimately did not charge him, and let Pretti go. If he had been arrested and jailed as he should have been, he would not have been on the street 10 days later to have continued his aggression against ICE / BP, that got him shot.

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Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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I might also add, you posted a "Letter from Pretti's parents".
As sourced and linked in my long post above about the Marxist/Communist communications machine that motivates thousands of Pretti's in cities across the U.S., and successfully got him to martyr himself by fighing wih BP agents while armed with a handgun and 2 extra ammo clips (who goes to confront cops and "peavcefully protest" with a gun?)

That letter was written by a Communist front group, and has a very Communist/Red Army look in its original form (photo shown).

[Linked Image from a57.foxnews.com]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-network-helped-put-alex-pretti-harms-way-made-him-martyr

It sounded like propaganda when I initially read what you copy-and-pasted. And it IS propaganda.

That would be a lie. The statement by Pretti’s family is written by them. Your attempt in dishonesty is no longer shocking WB


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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I might also add, you posted a "Letter from Pretti's parents".
As sourced and linked in my long post above about the Marxist/Communist communications machine that motivates thousands of Pretti's in cities across the U.S., and successfully got him to martyr himself by fighing wih BP agents while armed with a handgun and 2 extra ammo clips (who goes to confront cops and "peavcefully protest" with a gun?)

That letter was written by a Communist front group, and has a very Communist/Red Army look in its original form (photo shown).

[Linked Image from a57.foxnews.com]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-network-helped-put-alex-pretti-harms-way-made-him-martyr

It sounded like propaganda when I initially read what you copy-and-pasted. And it IS propaganda.

That would be a lie. The statement by Pretti’s family is written by them. Your attempt in dishonesty is no longer shocking WB


Pretti's family advised him "not to engage" with ICE agents, not to "do anything stupid".
But he did exactly that, showed up armed and highly confrontational with ICE agents, and got shot.


His parents did the opposite of what you say, they warned their son Alex Pretti NOT to do exactly what he did. And armed with two additional clips of ammo, at least another 30 rounds, as he flung himself at Border Patrol agents, and thrashed around while armed resisting arrest, making them concerned he would pull his handgun on them.



Did his parents also design and print mass-produced copies of that red and black Soviet / communist looking cover-page for it, that you just re-posted above?



In your desperation to ignore the facts I cited, you lyingly try to paint me as "dishonest", just for posting the sourced and cited facts that are inconvenient to what you WISH was true.


Re-posting what I linked above :


THE FAR-LEFT NETWORK THAT HELPED PUT ALEX PRETTI IN HARM'S WAY, THEN MADE HIM A MARTYR
Encrypted Signal messages show organized left network of 'rapid responders' mobilized demonstrators to harass federal agents, then socialist groups capitalized on member agitator Pretti's killing to foment further protests and escalation


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-network-helped-put-alex-pretti-harms-way-made-him-martyr


January 25, 2026


  • The skirmish that led to Saturday's fatal shooting of an agitator by Border Patrol agents in Minneapolis and the response that followed were driven by a complex network of far-left organizations with a wide range of causes, a Fox News Digital investigation found.

    A coordinated web of encrypted chats, street alerts and tracking of ICE "Abductors" in a sophisticated database reviewed by Fox News Digital shows that agitators were already mobilized at the scene where 37-year-old Alex Pretti was killed minutes before any shots were fired.

    ICE and Border Patrol agents were there to arrest an illegal immigrant criminal, and Pretti and others were there, outside a donut shop, to meet them as part of a strategic pattern of organized interference with law enforcement operations.

    Over the following hours, a national network of socialist, communist and Marxist-Leninist cells in the United States leveraged the tragic fatality into a nationwide protest operation. While grief and outrage over Pretti's death is genuine, the network's real-time rapid response, using short sensational video clips and emojis as weapons of propaganda, offers a window into the disciplined logistics, messaging and coordination of far-left warriors fomenting insurgency-like confrontation with authorities.



    VANCE CALLS MINNEAPOLIS UNREST 'ENGINEERED CHAOS' AFTER DEADLY SHOOTING
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/va...s-after-deadly-federal-shooting-incident


    "This level of engineered chaos is unique to Minneapolis. It is the direct consequence of far left agitators, working with local authorities," Vice President JD Vance observed in a Sunday post on X.

    The encrypted Signal messages obtained by Fox News Digital in real time show that anti-ICE "rapid responders" were actively tracking, broadcasting and summoning "backup" around federal agents outside Glam Doll Donuts on Nicollet Avenue, where the shooting happened. Local "rapid responders" made at least 26 entries into a database called "MN ICE Plates" in the critical hours before and after the killing, documenting the license plate numbers and details of alleged ICE vehicles they claimed to see around Nicollet Avenue.

    The entry at row 344 read, "At the nicollet [sic] murder," chronicling a black Jeep Wagoneer at the location with agents allegedly "involved in shooting." Row 338 had a "Glam Doll Donuts" entry, tracking a black Ford Taurus.



    BONDI BLAMES MINNEAPOLIS LEADERS AFTER ARMED SUSPECT KILLED, UNREST ERUPTS DURING ICE OPERATION
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bo...illed-unrest-erupts-during-ice-operation



    At 9:50 a.m. ET, just before the killing, a user identified as "Willow" shared a 22-second video on an encrypted Signal chat for anti-ICE "rapid responders."

    "26and 3rd," wrote "Willow," quickly following up with, "Outside Glam Doll."

    The video showed two agents, one wearing a vest marked "POLICE," studying the front door of Glam Doll before walking away, past a sign in the window that read, "ICE OUT OF MINNESOTA."

    As the camera rolled, the person filming yelled, "No!"

    The camera followed the agents as they returned to a maroon Dodge Durango, passing another sign in the window that read, "ALL WELCOME HERE."

    In the video, someone shouted, "Get out of here!"

    Just three minutes later, at 9:53 a.m. ET, a second Signal user, "Salacious B. Crumb," escalated the alert, summoning additional responders and citing the same vehicle and agents.

    "Backup needed at the Black Forest Inn parking lot on Nicollet Ave just south of 26th Street," the message read.



    DHS SAYS ICE AGENTS RAMMED BY VEHICLES AMID MINNEAPOLIS ENFORCEMENT SURGE: 'AGGRESSIVELY ASSAULTED'
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dh...enforcement-surge-aggressively-assaulted





    "Multiple vehicles with many agents appear to be staging there," the alert continued. "One confirmed ICE vehicle seen was a maroon Dodge Durango [plate number], but it has driven away northbound on Nicollet." Fox News Digital has redacted the Florida license plate number included in the original message.

    ICE Assistant Director Marcos Charles said Sunday that the violence on the streets was "not a coincidence," considering the "chaos and mayhem" that agitators are fomenting in Minneapolis. At the same press conference, Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) Commander-at-Large Greg Bovino confirmed that Pretti was "on the scene several minutes" before the fatal shooting.

    Video of the scene shows that as Pretti stepped into the middle of Nicollet Avenue to direct traffic, fellow agitators could be heard blowing whistles to alert locals that ICE officers were around. Soon after, Pretti ended up in a street confrontation with CBP agents, across the street from Glam Doll Donuts outside a worn storefront marked "NEW AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT CENTER," a nonprofit focused on immigration entry programs for Somalis.

    Within minutes, at about 10:05 a.m. ET, at least one CBP agent shot Pretti, killing him.




    MINNESOTA ICE OFFICIAL URGES PROTESTS TO REMAIN PEACEFUL AMID TENSIONS 'LIKE NOTHING I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE'
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/minne...nsions-like-nothing-ive-ever-seen-before




    At 10:18 a.m. ET, the Signal network erupted.


    Using a red phone emoji to signal an all-points alert, a message blasted out: "?? easy. URGENT: observers urgently requested at glam doll donuts @ 26th & nicollet [sic]," the alert continued. "an observer has been shot by ice, unknown condition, emts [emergency medical technicians] present, please be safe. EDIT: medics requested to join perimeter in case agents start gassing. be aware there are many agents and mpd [Minneapolis Police Department] officers present."

    Within minutes, far-left activists descended on Nicollet Avenue. Soon after, a video showed corrugated boxes of supplies apparently lined up on a Minneapolis sidewalk for protesters, including boxes marked "DESINER MASKS" [sic] and "FREE WINTER HATS," next to piles of bottled water.



    MINNESOTA AGITATORS STALK, PELT BORDER PATROL AGENTS WITH FOOD AND SPIT AT GAS STATIONS, DHS SAYS
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesot...l-agents-food-spit-gas-stations-dhs-says




    Within hours, socialist leaders turbocharged their "rapid responders" in Minneapolis and mobilized street protesters from New York City to Los Angeles.

    Media outlets, including CNN and MSNOW, described "angry protesters" but failed to identify the ideological networks behind the mobilization, even as protesters flashed their signs with their logos and names, touting socialism, communism and Marxism, on camera.

    The Minneapolis activation marked the beginning of an almost instantaneous weekend surge by far-left organizations, including hardened socialist and communist groups operating in an ecosystem that national security experts describe as an insurgent-style operation designed to exploit tragedy to wage a domestic political war.

    The strategy mirrors past mobilizations, including the aftermath of George Floyd’s killing in May 2020, and exploits well-intentioned public sympathy by rapidly framing Pretti — an intensive care unit nurse at a Veterans Administration hospital — as a symbol of resistance, much like Renee Good, the first victim of an ICE shooting in Minneapolis.


    Just as they responded in real-time to mobilize "comrades" to march on the streets within 12 hours of the U.S. arrest of Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro in early January, socialist, communist and Marxist-Leninist groups now frame their activation as an action within the "belly of the beast" against the "hyperimperialism" of the United States.



    VANCE CALLS MINNEAPOLIS UNREST 'ENGINEERED CHAOS' AFTER DEADLY SHOOTING
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/va...s-after-deadly-federal-shooting-incident



    Based on a digital analysis of scores of rapid-response messages following the killing on Saturday, a hub of communist and socialist nonprofit organizations emerged as key organizers of the protests. Many of them are funded by American-born billionaire Neville Roy Singham, a self-declared Marxist-Leninist living in Shanghai. Some are also offshoots of the People’s Forum Inc., a nonprofit hub Singham has funded in New York City since 2017 as an "incubator" for socialist and communist groups. The People's Forum declined requests for comment.

    At 10:48 a.m. ET, BreakThrough News, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit and propaganda arm of the People’s Forum, broke the news widely of the killing, sharing a video recorded from inside the Glam Doll Donut shot of the tussle outside, punctuated by gunshots and frantic narration, "Holy s--t. What the f---!...Did they f---ing kill that guy? F---ing kidding me, dude."

    BreakThrough News put a dramatic black-and-white caption over the video: "BREAKING: Another CBP Shooting in Minneapolis." By Sunday afternoon, the video had 4.1 million views, alongside the outlet’s calls to support the People’s Republic of China, Venezuela’s Maduro and the communist revolution in Cuba.

    Before the video cuts off, someone can be heard saying, "Yo, we need people on site!"



    MINNESOTA SOCIALISTS TELL WORKERS TO FAKE SICK LEAVE FOR ANTI-ICE PROTESTS
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/minne...ick-leave-anti-ice-protests-across-state



    At 11:40 a.m., BreakThrough News broadcast a 39-second video purporting to show state police charging across a street with batons, some falling as clouds of breath rose in the cold air.

    Soon after, at 12:24 p.m., the Party for Socialism and Liberation – a political wing of the movement, working with shared leadership at the People’s Forum – published a quickly-made graphic, "CBP MURDERS ANOTHER IN MINNEAPOLIS," and the message, "EXPAND THE GENERAL STRIKE!"

    The call for a "general strike," a classic communist tactic, refers to coordinated mass work stoppages aimed at paralyzing civil society to force political – and economic – outcomes.

    At 12:33 p.m., the People’s Forum blasted out a bold red-and-white poster to followers, calling for an "EMERGENCY PROTEST" at 4 p.m. ET at Union Square in midtown Manhattan, with the message, "STOP ICE TERROR."



    DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA IN NYC TRAINING THOUSANDS OF ACTIVISTS TO COUNTER ICE: REPORT
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/democrat...g-thousands-activists-counter-ice-report



    In lockstep, at 12:57 p.m., Democratic Socialists of America, the 501(c)(3) nonprofit that elected Zohran Mamdani as mayor of New York City, posted a stark black-and-white graphic on X, calling the killing an "execution" and demanding, "ABOLISH ICE NOW."

    At the protest, Linda Sarsour, a Palestinian political operative who has led virulently anti-Israel protests with socialist organizations after the Oct. 7, 2023, attack against Israel by Hamas terrorists, rallied the crowd at the 4 p.m. protest, yelling, "We will bring this country to a halt!" The People’s Forum shared the 22-second video clip with the caption: "?HAPPENING NOW IN NYC."

    Other groups mobilized simultaneously, including Freedom Road Socialist Organization, a self-described Marxist-Leninist group that has waved its red flag with its acronym, "FRSO," in the middle of the protests since Good’s killing.

    Also active: the Minnesota Immigrant Rights Action Committee, which has led many of the rapid-response efforts and Black Lives Matter chapters, which led the recent stampede through a local Christian church.




    ANTI-ICE AGITATOR ALLEGEDLY BITES OFF FEDERAL OFFICER'S FINGER DURING MINNEAPOLIS ATTACK
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-ice...fficers-finger-during-minneapolis-attack




    By early evening, the narrative had coalesced into a chorus of voices within the far-left propaganda apparatus, adopting charged historical language to brand federal officials as Nazi-like figures. At 4:12 p.m. ET, Calla Walsh, a controversial communist activist filmed this past summer in Iran shouting, "Death to America! Death to Israel!" shared a 32-second video showing barricades built with Republic Services dumpsters.

    She wrote, "People of Minneapolis build barricades, trapping ICE Gestapo at the scene of their latest murder in broad daylight. Not far from where they killed Renee Good a couple weeks ago, not far from where George Floyd was killed in 2020."

    By evening, CNN was reporting from the 4 p.m. protest in New York City but did not identify the ideological affiliations of the organizers, even as activists openly carried signs from the Party for Socialism and Liberation, with the group’s full name printed across the bottom.




    FREY, KLOBUCHAR CALL FOR ICE TO LEAVE MINNEAPOLIS FOLLOWING DEADLY CBP SHOOTING IN CITY
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fr...polis-following-deadly-cbp-shooting-city




    Another CNN segment from Minneapolis interviewed Chris Gray, describing him only as Pretti’s "next-door neighbor." Gray spoke about Pretti while delivering a well-scripted appeal for a general strike to dismantle the "Trump regime" and promote "non-violent resistance." The segment did not disclose that Gray is a member of Socialist Alternative, the U.S. affiliate of the International Socialist Alternative, a "global fighting organization of workers, young people, and all those oppressed by capitalism and imperialism," seeking to create a "socialist world."

    Soon after, however, Socialist Alternative shared the interview proudly on Instagram, noting, "Chris Gray, Socialist Alternative member and next-door neighbor of Alex Pretti, speaks out."

    By evening’s end, at 9:44 p.m. ET, Gloria La Riva, a co-founder of the Party for Socialism and Liberation who has described herself as "a communist," posted a message on X, using the inflammatory language now normalized: "Alex Pretti was murdered in cold blood, everyone knows that. 10 shots in his back. All of Trump's, Noem's, Bovino's lies cannot cover it up. The people's struggle will only grow!"




    TRUMP CITES ARMED SUSPECT, LACK OF POLICE SUPPORT FOLLOWING FATAL BORDER PATROL SHOOTING IN MINNEAPOLIS
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...fatal-border-patrol-shooting-minneapolis




    The maroon Dodge Durango in the early Signal alerts from Saturday morning is Entry No. 2069 in the publicly shared database, "MN ICE PLATES." It included a gallery of photos of alleged ICE vehicles.

    At last count on Sunday, the database had 4,626 records of license plate numbers organized as "Highly Suspected ICE," "Confirmed ICE," "Suspected ICE," "Cleared – Not ICE" and "Unknown."

    The total number of "Confirmed ICE" entries is 2,933 records. The total number of records labeled "Abductors" is 455.

    A fine-print disclaimer states that the data is "for informational purposes only" and that its organizers "do not condone its use to forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede or interfere with the official duties of any officer or employee of the United States, or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government, while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties."



    One guide, "Best Practices Guide for Neighborhood or Area Patrol / Monitors: 612," includes a key to emojis and the jobs they represent for rapid responders:


    "??= Mobile Patrol / Commuter - In a vehicle driving around, looking for agents"

    "??= Stationary Patrol/Monitor - In a vehicle positioned at key places in the area, looking for agents"

    "?????= Foot Patrol - On foot, looking for agents"

    "?? = Dispatch - Live on the Monitor / Patrol group call"

    "? = Hyper-local group messenger - Ready to pass on word to individual neighborhoods and blocks"

    ‘? = School / event safety spotters - Assigned and connected to a specific school or event"

    "?? = License plate checker - Ready to check a plate against the list of known license plates’

    "?? = Medic - Ready to offer medical care"

    "???? = Aftercare provider - Available to connect with responders after an event"



    The maroon Dodge Durango that was allegedly outside Glam Doll Donuts on Nicollet Avenue is listed with three prior sightings: Jan. 11 at 3 p.m. at the Whipple federal detention facility, Jan. 13 at 1:15 p.m. and a final sighting at Powderhorn Park parking lot on 35th Street and 14th Avenue.

    It’s listed with the tags, "Seen in a convoy, Tinted/blacked-out windows, ICE agent(s) seen in vehicle," and a final verdict: "Confirmed ICE."

    As socialist organizations continued to dispatch their foot soldiers to Nicollet Avenue on Sunday evening, the Signal groups were as active as ever on Sunday, an alert going out at 4:37 p.m. ET, with rapid responders now chasing a black Dodge Durango around town.

    "2 confirmed ICE vehicles," the alert read, "...at least 2 agents in each vehicle."







Are you blind to all the organized communist groups listed above, who ORCHESTRATED Renee Good and Alex Pretti's incitement, and who orchestrated the multiple propaganda campaigns immediately after, to exploit their deaths?
LOOK AT ALL THOSE CITED MARXIST GROUPS, and their funding and ideological ties, and joint operations with international anti-American socialist and communist activist groups, and with hostile foreign nations.



Just as they have orchestrated all these thousands of other radicals, in Minneapolis and other cities nationwide, to surveil, chase, identify and "dox" ICE agents, to identify their license plates, to put pressure on ICE agents at every turn, so that agents inevitably at some point will make a mistake.
And then the communist Red Army of activists can swarm in and exploit it. To incite revolution in yet anoher propaganda campaign and battle, toward the ultimate goal, to de-stabilize and overthrow the United States.
THAT is who you are siding with.

No, it was these foreign-aligned America-hating communist groups who re-packaged what we saw into this communist propaganda narrative, with a slickly-produced and proudly Marxist-Soviet looking cover page (shown above, that you just re-posted an image of. )
Marxists.
Not Pretti's parents.

Pretti's parents were clear in a published interview (thaat I posted previously above) that they had a conversation 2 weeks ago with Alex Pretti, instructing him NOT to do exactly what he did, that got him shot.

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You are lying though. Those are Alex’s parents words that you tried to falsely say were written by others. And there is so much video of Ice being the aggressors that you can argue all you want not to trust our lying eyes but nobody is going to buy it outside of MAGA


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From the Imploding MAGA world topic:



Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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GAI’s Seamus Bruner:
Left-Wing Funders Such as Roy Singham Behind Antifa Riots



  • Seamus Bruner, the Director of Research at the Government Accountability Institute (GAI) revealed that left-wing funders such as billionaire Neville Roy Singham were behind left-wing Antifa riots and protests.

    During a roundtable event on Antifa with President Donald Trump, Bruner explained that he, GAI President Peter Schweizer, and their team “followed” a trail of money and “followed it to the top of what” they called the Protest Industrial Complex, or Riot Inc.
    Bruner explained that the so-called “Riot Inc.” was made up of many different divisions, and that “dozens of radical organizations” have received millions of dollars from Riot Inc.

    “We found a network of NGOs, it’s not just the Soros network, the Open Society Network. It’s other funding networks, the Arabella Funding Network, the Tides Funding Network, Neville Roy Singham and his network, foreign cash,” Bruner explained. “And, it’s also big left-wing funders — some of them are not citizens of this country.”

    Bruner continued to note that these left-wing funders were “pouring money into this entire ecosystem.”

    Bruner continued to share “three money facts” about Riot Inc., explaining that there were “many divisions” such as “PR divisions, marketing divisions” and even a “well-funded legal division.”

    “Number two, we have identified dozens of radical organizations, not just the decentralized Antifa organizations, but dozens of radical organizations that have received more than one hundred million dollars from the Riot Inc. investors,” Bruner added. “These would be the lawyer groups, these would be the groups that advocate for calling good, honest Americans fascists.”

    “And then, three, I think the most shocking thing is that we have found that more than one hundred million dollars in U.S. taxpayer funding has flowed into these funding networks, including at least four million dollars to these very groups themselves,” Bruner added.

    Bruner’s mention of Singham comes after an investigation by the Breitbart News Foundation reported that while “records from the United Kingdom confirm” that Singham resigned from Thoughtworks, Inc., which he founded in 1993, “Chinese government records suggest otherwise.”

    After founding Thoughtworks, Inc. in 1993 and building the company into a software consulting powerhouse, Singham helped orchestrate its sale in October 2017, for approximately $785 million to a group of funds managed by London-based private equity firm Apax Partners. Corporate records from the United Kingdom confirm Singham’s resignation from Thoughtworks the same month, and his own LinkedIn profile says he has been retired since 2017. Thoughtworks’ English-language website relegates him to its “alumni” section, reinforcing the image of a clean break.

    But Chinese government records suggest otherwise. These records list Singham as a corporate officer of Thoughtworks’ Chinese subsidiary, Thoughtworks Beijing, as recently as June 17, 2025, and for at least as far back as 2022. These records are from the National Enterprise Credit Reporting System (NECIPS), China’s corporate registry. Other documents, including trade show profile and “help-wanted” ads, listed Singham as Thoughtworks Beijing’s official contact in 2021.

    The New York Post reported in June that Singham was set to be called to testify before a congressional committee regarding him funding “radical anti-Israel and Marxist groups” behind the Los Angeles riots.

    In an article written by Bruner in June, Bruner detailed how the GAI had uncovered how the “official partners” behind the “No Kings” protests “bagged $114.8 million since 2019 from the Arabella Avisors dark money network and how professional protest organizations use tax dollars as a force multiplier.”

    Bruner reported:
    The expected worldwide mobilization of protests against President Donald Trump this weekend will hardly be a spontaneous eruption. On the contrary, the tumult is a carefully plotted production organized by The Indivisible Project and financed by the progress dark money network managed/advised by Arabella Advisors, which has perfected the mounting of made-to-order protests.
    Since 2019, the Arabella network has dumped more than $100 million into the coffers of the official “No Kings” protest partners—including the creator of the official protest song book.

    This “grassroots” “nationwide days of defiance” targets Trump and his “billionaire allies,” according to organizers. The Arabella network’s biggest benefactors are the left’s own billionaire heroes, including George Soros, Bill Gates, Hansjorg Wyss, Mark Zuckerberg, and Reid Hoffman.

    During the roundtable event, Bruner vowed to “keep following the money,” and expressed that he appreciated “everything” Trump was doing.







But yeah, it's Trump supporters who are at the center of a massive and well-funded "insurrection" attempt to overthrow the United States.

rolleyes


Trump was overwhelmingly elected, not a "king". Who is doing the will of the people, that he was precisely elected by the people to do.

Whereas these Leftist billionaires are the actual "kings", using their money and power to secretively obstruct and overthrow the will of the people, in pursuit of their own twisted authoritarian ideology and power. The rioting violent mobs they fund are saying: "OBEY... or else".


https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/george-soros/

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation/

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/hansjorg-wyss/

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/mark-zuckerberg/

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/fwdus/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_Hoffman

Other major foundations supporting these and other organized nationwide protests (against Trump) are the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and Warren Buffett.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/warren-buffett/

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/ford-foundation/

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/rockefeller-foundation/


Because it is relevant.

The Occupy Wall Street movement, the No Borders movement, the Anti-ICE movement, the "No Kings" movement, and other mass simultaneous protests and riots across hundreds of U.S. cities, are not spontaneous grassroots popular reaction to specific issues, they are all funded and orchestrated by the America-hating Democrat-Left, in conspiracy with Leftist / globalist billionaires, also funded if not orchestrated by the Chinese Communist government, to de-stabilize and overthrow the United States.

This is not a lone Democrat "Anti ICE" movement, it is one tentacle of the larger Hydra, all these mass protests part of a larger plot against the United States.
As David Horowitz said in his book The Shadow Party (2006), the Democrat party is the chosen instrument for the Anti-American Left and globalists to overthrow the United States.

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Trump is deeply unpopular outside of maga world and even that is starting to crack. That of course is a problem for a party that is so deeply tied to him. The great thing about No Kings and ICe protests is the massive amount of people showing up and supporting them. People literally risked their lives to peacefully protest ICE. And again this is a threat to the gop. The same gop that has blocked any attempt to get rid of dark money in elections. The same gop that watched Jan 6 happen and try to pretend it wasn’t thier supporters that did it. The same GOP that allowed Trump to set free those that actually planned and caused political violence for Trump on that day.

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This was a good summary of recent ICE killings…
Tom Homan went on Fox News Wednesday night and warned there will be more "bloodshed" unless Democrats "shut their mouth" and let ICE work, one day after Trump's own Homeland Security Secretary put it in writing that ICE officers should stop pulling people over.

Here is the sequence.

On Monday in Biddeford, Maine, ICE officers shot and killed Johan Sebastián Durán Guerrero, a 25-year-old delivery driver with a work permit and a young daughter. Law enforcement sources told CBS News he was not the man they were looking for.

Six days earlier in Houston, an officer killed Lorenzo Salgado Araujo, 52, a father of three who had been here 35 years, as he drove a work crew to a job site. DHS conceded he wasn't the target either. His van resembled the one they wanted.

By Tuesday, Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin had sent the order down. ICE officers opened their email and found instructions to pause vehicle stops immediately and prioritize other methods of enforcement.

That email is the whole ballgame. Trump's own department looked at what its officers were doing at car windows, wrote its conclusion down, and the conclusion was stop.

Then Steve Bannon's show lit up. Lawyer Mike Davis went on air and called Mullin a wimp, told him to quit if he wasn't up to the job.

The Atlantic reported the final straw came when Trump saw the pause criticized on cable news Wednesday morning.

He went to Truth Social: "we CANNOT give up one of I.C.E.'s most important and effective Crime Fighting tools, THE TRAFFIC STOP!"

The post was the policy. A White House official confirmed that the Truth Social message itself served as the reversal of the DHS memo.

There was no review, no meeting, no new guidance. The president watched cable news and typed, and federal law enforcement policy changed on contact.

The pause lasted about twenty-four hours.

So when Homan says the bloodshed continues until Democrats are quiet, hear what he is confessing. The bloodshed already stopped once. It stopped because the government's own people looked at the evidence and flinched. It restarted because the base thought flinching looked weak.

Guerrero's three-year-old daughter watched him die.

Homan says he's scared to death he'll be handing a folded flag to somebody's spouse. Two families buried men this month. Neither wore a badge. Neither was even the guy.

His whole theory is that politicians running their mouths is what puts bodies in the street. On that one point he's telling the truth. The words that sent those officers back to the car windows were typed at breakfast, in all caps, by the president.


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Trump’s DOJ blocked serious ICE s...cutor’s strongest possible objections
“ by Megan Rose and Andy Mannix
September 2, 2026, 9:14 pm

Over the “strongest possible” objections from the federal prosecutor handling the case, leaders at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., quashed plans to bring civil rights charges against an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent accused of shooting a Venezuelan immigrant and then lying about it.
The agent, 52-year-old Christian Castro, allegedly shot Julio Cesar Sosa-Celis in the leg in Minneapolis this January during Operation Metro Surge, the Trump administration’s immigration blitz that sent thousands of federal agents into the state. The incident was one of three shootings by immigration agents in the city, the other two of which were fatal.
Federal prosecutors in Minnesota had been preparing to charge Castro with deprivation of rights under color of law for the shooting of Sosa-Celis, according to several people familiar with the case. Those charges are similar to the ones leveled against Minneapolis police officers accused in George Floyd’s killing and can carry hefty prison sentences.
Late on Tuesday, Matthew Evans, the assistant U.S. attorney in Minnesota in charge of the case, told lawyers for Sosa-Celis and other victims to prepare for Castro to be charged “only with False Statements,” according to an email that was reviewed by ProPublica.
That charge would likely carry a far less severe punishment if he were convicted.
“This is being directed by the Main Justice and the US Attorney,” Evans wrote in a remarkably candid account of internal deliberations. “I objected in the strongest possible terms and fought it as hard as I could. It wasn’t enough.”
“ He wrote that the false statement charges could come soon and would likely be filed under seal.
“It has been an honor and a privilege to try to get justice for your clients,” Evans concluded the email.
A DOJ official said civil rights charges require consultation with the civil rights division in Washington, and “any charging decisions that come out of such investigations are collaborative and deliberative and adhere to the facts and law of that specific case and controversy.”
The agency “has not yet reached a conclusion on this matter and will never rush an investigative process and the thorough review of all evidence,” the official said.
Evans and a spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Minnesota declined to comment. An attorney for Sosa-Celis did not return phone calls from a reporter. Castro, who has an outstanding warrant in Minnesota for this case, could not be reached for comment.
Under the Trump administration, the Justice Department’s civil rights division has been thinned and has dropped some Biden-era oversight of law enforcement agencies. This move by the DOJ is likely to fuel further concerns that the department is operating more in support of President Donald Trump’s political agenda than to preserve the rule of law. Earlier this year, a ProPublica analysis found that in almost every instance of immigration agents shooting people, Trump’s administration blamed the injured and dead within hours of the incident. In many of those cases, federal or local police declined to investigate the agents.
Castro, who was put on leave by the Department of Homeland Security, is also facing multiple state felony charges in Minnesota, including assault with a dangerous weapon. After he left Minneapolis and returned to Texas, Minnesota officials had requested state officials there extradite Castro to face the charges, but Texas Gov. Greg Abbott refused to cooperate. Castro had been held for 90 days in jail while the two states fought over the extradition. He was released last week.
Sosa-Celis was shot on Jan. 14, as Castro and another ICE agent chased Alfredo Aljorna, an immigrant from Venezuela, after a traffic stop. Aljorna ran to his home, which he shared with Sosa-Celis. The two men made it inside after a brief scramble, and Castro fired through the closed door, “knowing [the home] was occupied by several people,” according to state charging documents. One witness said there were two children in the house when Castro shot into it. Sosa-Celis was hit in the leg.
ICE agents then deployed tear gas into the home and took the men and their partners into custody, according to the documents and other court records.
DHS originally said Castro and the other agent were ambushed by the men and beaten with a shovel or broomstick, making Castro fear for his life and fire in self-defense. DHS called Sosa-Celis and Aljorna “violent criminal illegal aliens,” and federal prosecutors charged them with assault. ”

And now Evan’s has been fired and is being investigated for allegedly leaking. This administration is evil doing everything it can to protect bad and unlawful ice agents.

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1) propublica.com .... far-Left liberal propaganda


2) I really don't give a raging fuck about the death of Renee Goode, or about the death of a Venezuelan CRIMINAL ILLEGAL immigrant, who SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE FIRST PLACE. Period, the end. Goode and Preti both provoked these ICE and Border Parol agents, in Pretti's case was loaded with several clips of bullets for his gun, for a prolonged firefight, and maybe to kill a number of Border Patrol officers.
And Renee Goode used her car (captured on video) as a weapon attemting to intentionally kill an ICE agent, and even though she failed, she still very seriously injured him, to the point that agent was hospitalized with injuries and internal bleeding for several months after.

Both of these people, and many others like Alex Prettt, are criminals who are TRAINED Antifa BLM Marxist /Communist activists who deliberately get in the way of ICE and Border Patrol, over and over every day, deliberaely provoking and endangering agents, and got exactly what they deserved. And if their deaths deter more of these Leftist maniac attacks on ICE, on Border Patrol, or on regular police, God bless, the good of the nation has been served.

Any Leftist propaganda beyond these obvious facts is just liberal spin propaganda, parroted by you and the broader Left, to undermine enforcement of border security, and to give an undue martyrdom to illegal immigrants and Democrat /Left activist Communists, who by their own actions, CAUSED what happened to them, quite deliberately.



https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-offi...apolis-shooting-involving-venezuelan-man


There is a question about what happened, there is not proof or a guilty prosecution that ICE agent Christian Castro did anything wrong.
Castro said that he was on the ground when he shot the attacking Venezuelan illegal, but video shows him standing when he fired the shot that injured the criminal's leg. He recalled that the clash with the Venezuelan illegal lasted several minutes, but the video shows the physical confrontation lasted about 11 seconds before Castro fired his gun and hit the criminal's leg.
I see these as small discrepancies, and in the heat of confrontation, he could have perceived the events as he recalled them, not out of any attempted deception.
The ICE agent was attacked, the criminal physically assaulted him, agent Castro fired his gun in self defense. His statement of wha happened in he shooting is essentially all correct, with some minor details perceived differently than occurred.
The hoopla beyond that is just Democrat/Lefttist propaganda.

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It’s clear Castro lied and he also fired a gun into a home endangering everyone that was inside.

Petti was legally carrying a firearm and his last act before being piled on, beaten and shot multiple times was helping a protester up off the ground. Killing protesters because they’re in the way isn’t ok when there is eventually a trial.

Fortunately we live in a country where Trump and his thugs will lose power and eventually have to face justice for those murders that you don’t care about. It will be justice delayed but it will be coming.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It’s clear Castro lied and he also fired a gun into a home endangering everyone that was inside.

Well, I should have clarified that the guy ICE agent Castro shot was hit in the leg, and was not killed like Renee Goode was (who almost killed the ICE agent who shot her, in self defense).

And like Alex Pretti was (who may have had a legally licensed gun, but was carrying enough clips of ammo to take on a small army, and was fighting agents when they saw his gun and shot him, and in all likelihood shot him precisely because they thought he was about to open fire ON THEM. You can be licensed to carry a concealed weapon, but they explain to you when going through mandatory gun training when licensed NOT to do exactly what Pretti did, in physically clashing with police while wearing your concealed-carry gun. That is the precise way to alarm police and get shot by police, who see your aggression and are forced to fire before being fired upon And there is video of Preti on other occasions being out on the street, very aggressively going after ICE agents, on one occasion ON VIDEO kicking ou the tail light on ICE agent's, SUV. This Alex Pretti jerk was not a peacefull hippie activist, this was a guy LOOKING for a fight with ICE, and he got exactly wha he was looking for..)


As I already said, I don't see that agent Castro lied, I see him in the rush of events not recalling details occurring for the length they occurred as later shown in the video found of it. But the facts are essenitally the same. HE WAS ATTACKED, whether that attack lasted 11 seconds or 3 minutes.
Under extreme stress, it could have seemed much longer in Castro's recollection than 11 seconds.

And it was the guy he was chasing who went into that apartment who put those people and children in danger., and maybe the fault of the people in the apartment who let the suspect in, to help him escape arrest. And in any case, the others were not harmed, only the VIOLENT CRIMINAL SUSPECT agent Castro shot in the leg. Who by the way, physically attacked Castro.



Originally Posted by M E M
Petti was legally carrying a firearm and his last act before being piled on, beaten and shot multiple times was helping a protester up off the ground. Killing protesters because they’re in the way isn’t ok when there is eventually a trial.

Take a second look at that video with your glasses on.

Pretti may have partly been helping the other protester off the ground, but he was also fighting with officers and interfering with an arrest, physically confronting police.
Alex Pretti CHOSE to put on a gun, with a lot of clips of ammunition, before CHOOSING to jump on a crowd of police officers and thrash around fighting them.

AGAIN:Exactly what they train you NOT to do in basic required training, when being licensed to have a concealed-carry gun. And the video of him highly aggressively going multiple times at ICE agents on a previous day, and in rage kicking out the ICE SUV's tail light, shows you just how "peaceful" this radical leftist piece of shit was. He got exactly what he solicited, exactly what he deserved.
And even his parents in advance told Pretti a day before "not to do anything stupid" when attending protests.
But Pretti clearly did anyway.
Don't blame the ICE agents for Alex Preti's deliberate provocation and stupidity.




Originally Posted by M E M
Fortunately we live in a country where Trump and his thugs will lose power and eventually have to face justice for those murders that you don’t care about. It will be justice delayed but it will be coming.

That would be funny, your saying that, if you were not clearly brainwashed to believe it, and part of a pending Marxist revoluion, just looking for an opportunity o overhrow our Constituional republic.
You defend criminals, and attack law enforcement for defending U.S. citizens and upholding the law.
You rage on Trump and MAGA, for stopping your Marxist revolution. You have absolutely no interest in the Constitutional rule of law, except as lying talking points propaganda, to push your leftist overthrow, to creaye a one-party Marxist-Socialist government, and weaponize FBI and other federal agencies to intimidate, prosecute and imprison any ciizens who oppose your overthrow. James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bill Priesap, Kevin Clinesmith, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, John Brennan, James Rybacki, Bill Priestap, Rod Rosensein, Andrew Weissman, Sally Yates, And Obama's Jan 5 2021 Oval Office plot to frame General Michael Flynn, is all evidence of exacly what I'm saying.
And Susan Rice, Hakkim Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, James Carville and others have all said they would launch another even fiercer wave of weaponized federal assault on Trump supporters and anyone else who gets in their way, if these Democrat-Bolsheviks ever again regain power. Their rheoric is remarkably like that of the Bolshevik revoluionaries in 1917-1922 Russia, and the Maoist revoluionaries in 1949 China. And ha is no coincidence, hese are he people he Democra pary leadership and Chinese allies worship.

It's programmed zealots like you that people like Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Fidel Castro, Che Gueverra, Pol Pot and other communist revolutionaries rely on to slaugher innocent people they scapegoat as enemies, and then re-write history so these communist thugs, ACTUAL thugs, not the lawful police you falsely brand as thugs, just to serve your communist revolution.



Show me where Trump has ACTUALLY broken ANY law.
All you have is the bumper sticker narrative that "Trump is a criminal, Trump is corrupt" without any facts to back it up.
It's all false narrative.

Your side had to manufacture fake prosecutions with judge-shopped ultra-Left Democrat judges, with districts for trials of Donald Trump selected that were over 90% rabid Trump-hating Democrats, who on several occasions interviewed on CNN and elsewhere, these jurors were giggling and licking their lips at the prospect of convicting Trump, on ANY charges, no matter what the evidence, just to destroy Trump politically.

Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley, for over 25 years now of the most respected legal scholars in the country, and for all that time were Democrats, over he last 3 years say these trials and convictions of Trump, on made-up fake charges, charges that NO OTHER PERSON HAS EVER BEEN LEGALLY PROSECUTED FOR, ONLY TRUMP, were the most obscenely egregiously biased trials they have ever witnessed, and they sat in the courtroom every day of these trials to witness them. That these "convictions" will inevitably be overturned and thrown out because of their extreme bias.

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Video footage shows nobody attacked Castro. He just made it all up. And there was no justification for shooting into a home. And all this over what is a misdemeanor charge at the federal level. Your take just shows what we all know about you. You will support any crime committed by law enforcement if it supports Trump. And if it’s law enforcement on Jan 6 who got beaten up by Trump supporters you will run them down. If it benefits the old fraudster, you will support it.

When Trump loses power justice is coming. I imagine prosecutors will start with the small fish and work their way up. This case for example might make some big fish accomplices if they covered up for Castro. The whole operation was meant to rough up a blue state and its citizens. An unforgivable abuse of power by Trump.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Video footage shows nobody attacked Castro. He just made it all up. And there was no justification for shooting into a home. And all this over what is a misdemeanor charge at the federal level. Your take just shows what we all know about you. You will support any crime committed by law enforcement if it supports Trump. And if it’s law enforcement on Jan 6 who got beaten up by Trump supporters you will run them down. If it benefits the old fraudster, you will support it.

Unclustering all your lies :

1) You don't know that, it is ALLEGED, not proven.

2) You and the rest of the Democrat-Bolshevik Left instinctively side AGAINST law enforcement, particularly ICE in recent years, and only in cases like January 6th do you PRETEND to support law enforcement, on those rare occasions, as a political weapon against border security and Republicans, end especially, against Trump.

3) You are SUCH a liar when it comes to January 6th. As I've said many times, and it has been PROVEN, the 97% Democrat FBI and DOJ was weaponized by Joe Biden, by A G Merrick Garland and by FBI director Christopher Wray to create a fake NARRATIVE of "insurrection" panic on January 6th.
But it was known almost from the opening 3 months after Jan 6th, and later PROVEN that despite a Democrat weaponized FBI / DOJ and Soviet-style January 6th Committee, that the evidence of surveillance tapes proved the overwhelming innocence of those arrested for January 6th.

At least 90% who were arrested in FBI raids for no reason, who were tricked and INVITED INTO the Capitol in most cases, BY POLICE. Who video showed protesters were just walking around sightseeing, no violence, no vandalism, no confrontation with police, at least 90 percent of the protesters.
And the 40,000 hours of Captiol building security video that PROVED THEIR INNOCENCE was suppressed for 2 and a half years by Democrat-Bolsheviks in the Jan 6th Subcommittee, who were propping up a false narrative of "insurrecttion" panic.
THE EXACT DAY that Capitol surveillance video was released, that narrative was disproven, and within days nearly all those Jan 6 prisoners were immediately released.

Trump in Jan 2025 gave a pardon to most of the 1,500 arrested protesters, but only gave commutation to the few actual violent offenderss, and some were given no presidential pardon, for actual violence.
But even those rump pardoned served WAY more time in jail from FBI prosecutions, than they would for he same crime if prosecuted anywhere else in the country.

You are SUCH a liar, trying to STILL front that fake Democrat "insurrection: panic narrative, 3 years now after it was disproven.



And Kash Patel has fired about 2,000 FBI agents for being Democrat-Bolsheviks on the level of James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Kevin Clinesmith, for their e-mails and texts that prove they were Democrat-Bolsheviks wih a political motive for persecuting these 1,500 INNOCENT people. There were only a handful of them who rioted and clashed with police.


And STILL not fully disclosed, at least 274 undercover FBI agents, DHS agents, DC Metro police officers, and Antifa and other groups, who disguised as Trump supporters, committed violence and vandalism themselves in a false-flag operation, just to smear Trump politically.

Over 90% of these Jan 6 protesters did absolutely nothing wrong, but were rounded up in armed 6AM show-arrests, and held indefinitely without evidence, without trial, in the worst of prison conditions.
Some of them beaten in their cells by Trump-hating guards, held without even working plumbing or drinkable water, or flushing toilets.
Even the worst murderers and Al Qaida terrorists were treated better than these Jan 6 prisoners, and they were often detained indefinitely without trial, not even proven to have committed any crime. But the overwhelming majjority were intimidated by FBI and the prison conditions, and forced to sign false confessions, just so they could end their ordeal.


Originally Posted by M E M
When Trump loses power justice is coming. I imagine prosecutors will start with the small fish and work their way up.

And by that you mean the Democrat vindictive and corrupt re-weaponization of the FBI against Democrat opponents, as happened for 8 years of Obama, and even more overtly under 4 years of Biden.
That's not "justice", that's just abusing FBI, IRS and other federal agencies to go after innocent people who happen to be Republicans, or go after Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard, John Fetterman, Robert Menendez, and Eric Adams, who don't uphold the false Democrat party narrative.



AGAIN: ICE agent Christian Castro is not proven to have done anything wrong, if at some point he is PROVEN to have acted wrongly, I will condemn his specific proven actions.
But innocent till proven guilty.
And it is A FACT that the Democrats nationwide are looking for any excuse to defame and "de-fund" and otherwise abolish ICE . Democrats want open borders and massive illegal immigration, because it provides them with Democrat-voting welfare dependents and potential voters.
And illegals just by being counted create Democrat-majority new House districts (illegals who should not even be counted in the census, and should just immediately be deportetd, as they are under Trump's second term.)



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...s-about-minneapolis-shooting/ar-AA2bAMxV

Even left-leaaning MSN acknowledges what I say, that Castro is only alleged, NOT proven, to be guilty of anything.
And Gov Abbott in Texas is reluctant to extradict Castro back to Minnesota because he is not convinced Castro is guilty of any crime, or would get a faair trial in Minneapolis.
Castro was ORDERED to Texas by his ICE employer, not because he fled criminal prosecution in Minneapolis.

Castro is only alleged, not proven, to have "lied" about being confronted by criminal illegals. He was attacked and pursued a fleeing suspect and two other criminal illegals who ambushed him.
You and other Democrats don't give a damn about agent Castro's innocence of guilt, you just want to use this allegation to smear and shut down ICE as a whole.
You side with criminals, no mater what.


Originally Posted by M E M
This case for example might make some big fish accomplices if they covered up for Castro. The whole operation was meant to rough up a blue state and its citizens. An unforgivable abuse of power by Trump.

Yes. Anti-ICE, and anti-Republican weaponization of government by a 97% Democrat-weaponized FBI, DOJ, IRS and other federal agencies.
Tha's been obvious for many years now. The Democrat-Bolshevik party.

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You misuse the 97 percent figure to mislead WB. That 97 percent is only contributions from 2016 for 200 dollars or more. Most people don’t contribute to political campaigns at all. Less than 2 percent of DOJ employees made any political contributions in 2016. To say that 97 percent of the DOJ is democrats is just factually a lie.

You go on and repeat conspiracy stories that certainly haven’t been proven. The gop fought like hell not to have any Jan 6 committee and government employees have been fired for just having worked on jobs that they were assigned to do. As has been brought up before your side has never used the courts to prove your case. Lying on Fox isn’t the same as lying under oath and having to contend with discovery. And you support the corruption. Otherwise you would want and expect Trump to prove his load of bullshit. But you don’t.

Castro of course is innocent till proven guilty in a court of law but the video evidence shows what happened. He wasn’t attacked and his detailed fight was something he fabricated. I compare what you say about the Jan 6 law enforcement that were actually attacked and then to your defense of Castro and it’s clear you only support law enforcement if it helps your fraudster.


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I’m also not anti immigration but because of a corrupt administration ICE has been used as a weapon against its own citizens. Borders need to be secured but it needs to be done responsibly and having masked thugs using excessive or lethal force on human beings with little legal consequences is where we’re at now. They have become a force to install fear on us instead of serving us. That’s going to change and those that have been using excessive force will have to face consequences eventually.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You misuse the 97 percent figure to mislead WB. That 97 percent is only contributions from 2016 for 200 dollars or more. Most people don’t contribute to political campaigns at all. Less than 2 percent of DOJ employees made any political contributions in 2016. To say that 97 percent of the DOJ is democrats is just factually a lie.

You go on and repeat conspiracy stories that certainly haven’t been proven. The gop fought like hell not to have any Jan 6 committee and government employees have been fired for just having worked on jobs that they were assigned to do. As has been brought up before your side has never used the courts to prove your case. Lying on Fox isn’t the same as lying under oath and having to contend with discovery. And you support the corruption. Otherwise you would want and expect Trump to prove his load of bullshit. But you don’t.

Castro of course is innocent till proven guilty in a court of law but the video evidence shows what happened. He wasn’t attacked and his detailed fight was something he fabricated. I compare what you say about the Jan 6 law enforcement that were actually attacked and then to your defense of Castro and it’s clear you only support law enforcement if it helps your fraudster.

Corrupt FBI director Christopher Wray in Senate testimony admitted that in the Biden years, 40% of all FBI agents were assigned to "domestic terrorism", to pursue and harass the made-up fake "terrorist threat" of Republican conservatives.
5,000 (of FBI's 38,000 total agents) ALONE were assigned to maliciously prosecute the innocent Jan 6th protesters. They were all arrested in 6 AM raids at gunpoint with their doors smashed in, at a cost of roughly $1.5 million dollars EACH, and mostly held in jail, without charges, without arraignment, without due process, and without any access to attorneys in many cases, and intimidated and forced to sign confessions to crimes they never committed.
Plus FBI persecution of peaceful abortion activists, of parents voicing objection to "woke" indoctrination in their schools, FBI infiltration and spying on Catholic churches, and no doubt other churches.
And weaponization of IRS against churches going back to Obama in 2010-2012, to rig and narrowly win the 2012 election by weaponization of federal agencies.
And emboldened by getting away with it in 2012, went on to far greater federal weaponization in 2016-2024.

The fact that 274 undercover "plainclothes" FBI agents participated in framing 1,500 almost entirely innocent Trump protesters on January 6th, participated in the absurdly overkill armed 6 AM raids on every one of them (as opposed to just phoning them, and asking them to surrender to an FBI office, accompanied at an appointed time with their attorney, for the normally piddly $300 fine offense of "trespassing", rather than 1,500 overkill show-boat armed FBI 6 AM raids on each of their homes and families), EVERY ONE OF these FBI agents participated in holding them in terrible prison conditions without trial, without legal counsel, participated in overcharging, intimidating and maliciously prosecuting innocent persons, that they KNEW to be innocent, but eagerly exploited for national Democrat propaganda purposes as "violent insurrectionists".
And NOT ONE of these 274 false-flag Trump-framing "plainclothes" agents, NOT ONE of these 5,000 FBI prosecutors of Jan 6th prisoners went public in 2 and a half years, till finally despite them, Tucker Carlson aired the Capitol surveillance video in mid-2023 on national television.
These THOUSANDS of FBI agents, 40% of the entire FBI, never went public to expose what a vast rogue FBI was doing.

Or with the Gretchen Whitmer FBI fake kidnapping sting.
Or the FBI weaponization against Trump, in the Mar A Lago raid, and then in the FOUR malicious fake cases against Trump WHILE HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
FBI going after dozens of Trump administration officials, FBI gong after dozens of Trump organization and Mar A Lago employees, FBI going after abortion activists, FBI going after parents at PTA meetings, FBI infiltrating and spying on Catholic churches, and other churches.

And everyone at FBI was silent on all this for years.

THAT leads me to believe it was not "just a handful of FBI agents who made Democrat political donations", that it was instead pretty much the entire FBI that went Democrat-Bolshevik and was totally on board for ALL these abuses.
If they were not ideological and malicious Democrat-Bolsheviks, at least SOME of these FBI agents who witnessed all these abuses, would have been disgusted by these abuses and reported them a long time ago.
It would NOT have taken 10 to 20 years to be exposed and reported.
That it took 10 to 20 years to even be discovered, manifests massive Democrat-Bolshevik loyalty and cover-up inside the FBI, not just "a few" agents.

And it's the same in DOJ, in the State Department, in IRS, and other federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

Former secretary of state Mike Pompeo cited his frustration of being unable to get anything done in his own State Department, so infested as it was with Democrat-partisan bureaucrats who would stonewall and block and slow-walk orders from Pompeo, or from Trump himself, when they ordered or enacted changes in the department.

A good example is when Trump in the closing 2 months of his first term in Nov 2020-Jan 2021, ordered all documents de-classified and released related to :"Russia collusion".
But DOJ and State Department bureaucrats (Democrat-Bolsheviks) sat on their hands and did not release the documents, for 2 months.
And when Biden was inaugurated, completely ignored the order to release the documents, let the clock run out, and NEVER released them.
Pompeo called his own State Department "Democrat-occupied territory".
Likewise FBI, DOJ, IRS, ATF, CIA and other federal agencies. Almost 100% Democrat-controlled.



ONLY in the most egregious cases where FBI agents showed their deeply partisan motive in e-mails and texts were about 2,000 of these agents (of the 5,000 assigned to prosecute Jan 6 prisoners, and to extort confessions from innocent people) fired by FBI director Kash Patel.
And it deeply pisses me off that the other 3,000 agents, --and probably a lot more-- Democrat-Bolsheviks in FBI, DOJ and CIA, still have their jobs.
Allowed to remain there to help a future Democrat president re-weaponize the FBI and other intelligence agencies, if / when a Democrat becomes president in the future.

AS I SAID: Hakkim Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, Kamala Harris, Susan Rice and James Carville have all boasted Democrats will do this again immediately if elected, if they EVER regain power. The Democrat-Bolshevik party, there is no more accurate way to describe a Democrat party that would do this. Or an FBI that would do this. That has been doing so since 2008.
And right after being caught and rooted out, openly boast they will immediately re-weaponize the FBI and other intelligence agencies again, if they get the chance.

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I already know how you twisted the 247 number. Kash Pattel isn’t even willing to push your false narrative and that’s saying something. You’re just doubling down on lies that you wish were true WB.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I already know how you twisted the 247 number. Kash Patel isn’t even willing to push your false narrative and that’s saying something. You’re just doubling down on lies that you wish were true WB.

247 "plainclothes" FBI agents, who were allegedly there to help Capitol police, but no Capitol Police that day EVEN KNEW THE WERE THERE.
Does that make sense?

247 "plainclothes" FBI agents, who were allegedly called up, ordered to come in, and organized between 12:40 PM on Jan 6th and 4:10 PM when President Trump aired his video telling all protesters to go home.
247 agents called in, organized, and on the ground working (completely undercover) within 3 and a half hours allegedly, but in reality there is NO WAY they could have been called up, come in and been organized in that time.
I like Kash Patel in many ways, but on this issue he is wrong, or deliberately making a false statement to protect the FBI, or maybe to placate factions within the FBI to get long-term cooperation from the 97% Democrat FBI bureaucracy for reforms and other larger issues. But on it's face, it is OBVIOUSLY a false talking point from Patel. And I am far from the only one pointing that out. Patel's narrative doesn't gel with the facts.

Those 247 "plainclothes" agents were organized and on the ground LONG before the rioting began. You could not even telephone 247 agents and tell them to come in, in just 3 and a half hours, let alone have them come in, organize them, and be on the ground in that short amount of time.
IN TRUTH, they were false flag agents, organized and deployed in advance. And you eagerly want to believe and push a false-narrative lie, just because it serves the lying talking points of your Democrat-Bolshevik party narrative.

Up to barely a year ago, you and the entire Democrat party and Deep State were in complete denial there were hundreds of false-flag FBI agents on the crowd on Jan 6th.
BUT NOW... what I and others have said, has again PROVEN TO BE TRUE, and the narrative you have propped up for 5 years is a crumbling lie.
It's ridiculous clinging to a silly and not credible lie, to now deny that the 247 "plainclothes" agents were in fact sent to frame Trump and his Jan 6th supporters, that they truly are.

But still you stubbornly cling to that lie, despite all that has been PROVEN to have actually been a lie, over the last 5 years, and especially in the last 18 months.
Trump has been vindicated.
His Jan 6th supporters have been vindicated.
The Jan 6th committee shredded 40% of their own documents and evidence (because it was all lies).
The 40,000 hours of Capitol surveillance video (maliciously suppressed by the Jan 6th Committee) has vindicated and proved the innocence of the 1,500 Jan 6th prisoners, so thoroughly that they were almost all released within days of the suppressed video's release. Undeniable evidence, that they were NOT "violent insurrectionists". PROVEN. Vindicated.

Even as your Democrat-Bolshevik party plots to overthrow the United States, and replace it with a one-party authoritarian Communist/Socialist government, and daily plots ways to shred the checks and balances in our Constitution to do so.

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You’re nuts.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You’re nuts.

Sorry your Democrat-Bolshevik-programmed brain can't process the FACTS in front of you.

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You can’t even get Kash Patel to run with those lies Dave. You can keep lying but nobody here is fooled.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You can’t even get Kash Patel to run with those lies Dave. You can keep lying but nobody here is fooled.

The liar, accuses me of lying. typical Democrat-Bolshevik propaganda. Any number of journalists, including Julie Kelly who wrote a book about Democrat orchestration of Jan 6th by FBI, and said in a videotaped interview I linked here a few months before FBI openly admitted it, that in a typical FBI operation infiltrating protests or he 1968 Democratic national convention, that FBI typically has hundreds of undercover operatives in such an operation. And a few months later, were forced to admit it.

I JUST EXPLAINED the obvious gaps in logic between the official statement that 274 agents could be called up, assembled on the scene, and conduct operations outside the Capitol on Jan 6th. It would take 3 and a half hours at best just to call them and get them to show up on short notice. They would at best be assembling at the Capitol just as the riots were ending. No, they were contacted and placed in the crowd well before he rioting began, as false-flage agens, NOT as "plainclothes" agents to assist Capitol police (who did not even know these FBI agents were there.)

And by the way, the piece-of-shit Democrat-hijacked FBI (and 97% Democrat-donating FBI) lied for 2 and a half years about having ANY agents there undercover on Jan 6th.
Then they finally admitted to 26 agents around the Capitol, and at least 4 false-flag undercover agents inside.

And now they are admitting to 274 agents in "plainclothes" on the scene, who were there "to help Capitol police", except NO CAPITOL POLICE EVEN KNEW THEY WERE THERE.

Because this is just the latest half-baked cover up and lie "official" FBI narrative, that for some reason Kash Patel is supporting, and I already speculated some of the reasons. But if all the lying narratives for 5 years were not true, why are you so eager to believe this latest narrative that doesn't hold up to scrutiny for the reasons I detailed?

ONE REASON:
Because it supports your Democrat-Bolshevik narrative, despite that it is just the latest of a series of false statements by the FBI. I suspect they only admitted about the 274 false-flag "plainclothes" agents as damage control, because it was going to come out anyway.
And admitted that much to get out in front of it.
But it is CLEARLY not the full story, just a narrative put out to protect the FBI from (they hope) more scrutiny and scandal.

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You can keep on lying Dave but it’s a pretty pathetic lie. Kash Patel isn’t going to lie for a huge democratic conspiracy. And the conspiracy was too dumb to believe to begin with.


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Dave's hitting both new levels of Dunning Krueger and cognitive dissonance at the same time. You have to give him credit for that.

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Originally Posted by iggy
Dave's hitting both new levels of Dunning Krueger and cognitive dissonance at the same time. You have to give him credit for that.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I've made detailed, cited and sourced arguments, over and over, you have not done that at any point, so what is there for me to respond to?
Dipshit.

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WB repeating the same horseshit lies and deception over and over again doesn’t make them facts. Kash Patel by no means would lie about a staple Trump conspiracy. There’s tons of facts that disprove Trump’s lie about the 2020 election. And we all watched MAGA beat the shit out of law enforcement. Then your POs pardoned them and then attacked the law enforcement that took the beating.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You can keep on lying Dave but it’s a pretty pathetic lie. Kash Patel isn’t going to lie for a huge democratic conspiracy. And the conspiracy was too dumb to believe to begin with.

The Democrat conspiracy is fully on display, and at the end of a five year series of FBI lies, NOT any lies from me.
And that's piled on FBI lies regarding the weaponizing of FBI on a fake investigation after fake investigation of Donald Trump, since at least 2016.
Kash Patel is not at all shy about detailing all those FBI conspiracies against Trump and the Republican House and Senate leadership. And fired 2,000 FBI agents for this malicious conspiracy.
And I think he should have fired several thousand more, who are still eager to Democrat-weaponize the FBI again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire_Hurricane_(FBI_investigation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_investigation_origins_conspiracy_theory
...... ( Wikipedia still spins that one as "conspiracy theories", despite how much of it has absolutely been proven )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Frost_investigation


FACT.


You support the Democrat-Bolshevik party, that is NOTHING BUT lies.
You support Black Lives Matter, Antifa, communists who openly are working with the Chinese and other globalists and communists to overthrow the United States, and their organized protests, a dress rehearsal for Marxist revolution, across hundreds of cities ( THAT YOU SUPPORT), that are OPENLY funded by these communist billionaires, foreign governments, and other dark money, TO DE-STABILIZE AND E AND OVERTHROW THE UNITED STATES.
Your Democrat-Bolshevik party funds and supports these riots across hundreds of U.S. cities, funded by hundreds of millions of dollars in dark money.
THAT is what you support.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/whos-...l-activists#&_intcmp=fnhpbt1_3,hp1bt

And now your piece of shit Democrat-Bolshevik party now also supports Islamic terrorism, and their FURTHER rioting and burning cities in the United States as well.
Adn the Democrat-Bolsheviks also ally themselves with ISLAMIC CANDIDATES who are deeply anti-American and likewise support the violent overthrow and destruction of the United States.
Ilhan Omar.
Rashida Tlaib.
And now Muslim Brotherhood-connected Abdul Al-Sayad and a dozen other Democrat-Bolshevik radical Muslim-communist candidates.

You try to portray me as telling "lies".
Well, fuck you, M E M, your vicious Democrat-Bolshevik party is NOTHING BUT lies, and sides with every enemy who wants to destroy the United States, from without and from within.

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We can agree that Kash has no problem making political motivated allegations that you believe in. That’s why it was a bit of a shock that he personally debunked Trump’s and yours lie about the 247 plainclothes agents. Kash is getting sued btw by agents he fired. I look forward to seeing what his investigation consisted of that resulted in their terminations. My guess is it’s going to be a clear case of political retribution because they were assigned to investigate Trump’s theft and mishandling of classified documents.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
We can agree that Kash has no problem making political motivated allegations that you believe in. That’s why it was a bit of a shock that he personally debunked Trump’s and yours lie about the 247 plainclothes agents. Kash is getting sued btw by agents he fired. I look forward to seeing what his investigation consisted of that resulted in their terminations. My guess is it’s going to be a clear case of political retribution because they were assigned to investigate Trump’s theft and mishandling of classified documents.

We can agree that Kash Patel as FBI director has made remarkable achievements in arresting most wanted criminals, opening mass investigations of unquestionable mass fraud, arresting domestic criminals and criminal illegals, and protecting the American people from harm.
The murder rate is currently the lowest it has been in 125 years !!!
Record arrests, targeting the true sources of crime, violence, domestic terrorism and fraud.

Because Kash Patel's priorities are fighting crime and terrorism and arresting ACTUAL criminals and illegals, NOT devoting 40% of FBI's resources to fighting the fictional non-existent enemy of "domestic terrorism" by "white supremacists".
Which was really just a way for a 97% Democrat-donating FBI to spy on, arrest and prosecute their conservative political opponents, by FALSELY LABELLING THEM as "domestic terrorists", to suppress and intimidate Democrats' political opposition. Likewise with the IRS destroying the Tea Party movement in 2010-2012, to rig the 2012 election for Barack Obama z(and probably still targeting conservatives).

I disagree with Patel on the minor points I've cited, in not disclosing the full extent of FBI conspiracy on Jan 6th. And I've speculated his reasons,

And no doubt, the Democrat-Bolsheviks still remaining in the FBI have out the long knives for Kash Patel. Patel fired 2,000 of FBI's 38,000 agents, and with the level of Democrat-Bolshevik infiltration of FBI, proven under Obama and Biden and even in Trump's first term to involve the entire management floor of the FBI, I have no doubt they will fight to keep the agency Democrat-weaponized.
And the piece of shit agents who were fired no doubt have long chains of partisan texts along the lines of those found by Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Kevin Clinesmith, detailing their Democrat-Bolshevik malice toward the people they targeted, arrested, prosecuted, and extorted false confessions out of. ("Vive La Resistance", "Trump's not going become president, right? RIGHT?!?" "No. No he won't, we will stop it." )

Good luck challenging that. I would prefer prison time for these 2,000 fired, but at least they're out of the FBI.
You portray rooting out corruption as "retribuion".
Well fuck yes these agents deserved to be fired.
And as I've said repeatedly, the level of cover up in FBI, undetected, manifests a vas majoriy of FBI agents participated in orchestrating o at leas enabling this abuse of power. For over 20 years in abusing their power against conservatives, against Catholics, against pro-life peaceful activists, against parents arrested for voicing objection to woke indoctrination at PTA meetings, with 6 AM FBI armed raids, FBI overcharging to force confessions.
Spying on the entire Trump campaign and Trump administration.
FBI raid on Mar A Lago.
FBI orchestrating FOUR fake indictments of Trump, in the most rabidly pro-Democrat local districts in the U.S., with judge-shopped ultra-partisan Democrat judges, four rabid Democrat local prosecutors (led by he DOJ/FBI), and trials se up to be held in overwhelmingly Democrat jury venues, jurors licking their lips at the opportunity to convict Trump on ANY charge.
Setting up Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Senator Ted Stevens, Scooter Libby, Michael Caputo, Roger Stone, and even maliciously prosecuting the innocent ones in Enron, and Arthur Anderson executives, and Martha Stewart.
ALL this FBI abuse of power has to be punished, and the ones who abused that power be purged from the FBI, AT THE VERY LEAST.

That is not "retribution", that is justice. And 2,000 of these FBI agents fired is not nearly enough. And the ones still there are trying to destroy Kash Patel every day. And licking their lips at re-weaponizing the FBI, the instant a Democrat president is ever elected, and allows them to again do so.
Fuck yes, fire them all.

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Justice is delayed but it is coming WB. The indictments were real as well as Trump taking classified documents. He just ran out the clock. That won’t happen a second time.


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Btw there wasn’t any prison time because that would have involved trials that would require evidence. Trump’s lies don’t do well in court.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Justice is delayed but it is coming WB. The indictments were real as well as Trump taking classified documents. He just ran out the clock. That won’t happen a second time.

Two of the cases were tossed completely out of court.

Of those prosecuted, Trump was prosecuted on made-up fake charges, charges so "novel" that NO ONE ELSE has EVER BEEN CHARGED with what Trump was tried for.
Fake charges, judge-shopped ultra-partisan Democrat judges, partisan Democrat local county prosecutors, with illegal puppet-strings to Joe Biden and Merrick Garland's DOJ and FBI, illegally orchestrating the whole thing, with ultra-partisan over 90% Trump-hating juries in every case.
. Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz sat in these trials every day, and said they was the most disgustingly biased prosecutions they ever witnessed, in all their decades of trial law. And these are two guys who were lifelong Democrats.
Both say that once these prosecutions reach the U S Supreme Court and get out of the ultra-Democrat partisan New York courts, the level of bias with which these trial were conducted will certainly get them overturned on appeal.

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Government workers shun Trump, give big money to Clinton

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...rump-give-big-money-to-clinton-campaign/

  • BY JONATHAN SWAN - 10/26/2016


    Federal government employees are opening their wallets to help Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump on Nov. 8.

    Of the roughly $2 million that federal workers from 14 agencies spent on presidential politics by the end of September, about $1.9 million, or 95 percent, went to the Democratic nominee’s campaign, according to an analysis by The Hill.

    Employees at all the agencies analyzed, without exception, are sending their campaign contributions overwhelmingly to Clinton over her Republican counterpart. Several agencies, such as the State Department, which Clinton once led, saw more than 99 percent of contributions going to Clinton.

    Employees of the Department of Justice, which investigated Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, gave Clinton 97 percent of their donations. Trump received $8,756 from DOJ employees compared with $286,797 for Clinton. From IRS employees, Clinton received 94 percent of donations.

    Federal government employees overwhelmingly backed Clinton’s presidential campaign no matter which agency The Hill analyzed using Federal Election Commission data covering donors giving more than $200.


    Trump campaign spokesman Jason Miller said these donation patterns are more evidence of the “rigged system” favoring establishment candidates like Clinton over outsiders like Trump. The Trump campaign has been citing lopsided media donations to Clinton — though there’s no evidence they’re coming from reporters covering Trump — as further evidence that the game is fixed.

    But David Schultz, a Hamline University Professor of Political Science, said government employees have historically favored Democratic candidates over Republicans both in their voting habits and political contributions made in their personal time.

    Under the Hatch Act, federal government employees are banned from engaging in political activities, including making campaign contributions, during work hours.

    “Government employees are, on balance, more moderate or more liberal as opposed to the general population,” Schultz said. “Not across the board, but in general.”

    Government employees are “more likely to believe in government as opposed to, let’s say, a privatization program,” he added, “programs that we would view as hostile to government.”

    Republicans typically campaign on promises to slash government payrolls, which helps explain why recent GOP presidential candidates have received the smaller share of donations from government workers.

    Yet while Republicans usually do worse than Democrats, Trump appears to be doing especially poorly in fundraising from government employees.

    The 2012 GOP presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, received 14 percent of donations from the same group of agencies surveyed for Trump. Trump received just 5 percent.

    Romney got close to $300,000 more from these same departments’ employees than Trump has four years later. Comparisons to previous presidential candidates are of limited value, since they took public funding for their general election campaigns.

    Trump might have had a chance to do better than Romney. He discarded much of Republican orthodoxy during his primary campaign, which could have led some federal employees to believe that he’d be more amenable to big government. He vowed, for example, to leave massive social welfare programs virtually untouched.

    But Trump also constantly attacked federal institutions. During his primary campaign, he described the federal government as a corrupt, bloated body run by “very, very, stupid people.”

    Trump vowed “tremendous cutting” of the government in an interview with The Wall Street Journal in January and singled out the Department of Education and the Environmental Protection Agency as agencies he’d slash dramatically if not outright eliminate.

    Agency employees have likely taken note of Trump’s hostile rhetoric. In the Department of Education’s case, that included Trump’s pledges to hand over control to the states and to fight tooth and nail against Common Core standards.

    From Department of Education employees this cycle, Trump received three donations totaling $220. Clinton received 724 donations for more than $74,000. In all, she received 99.7 percent of donations from employees of the department.

    Donations from the State Department, which Clinton ran from 2009 to 2013, were even more slanted in her favor. State Department employees gave Trump 39 donations, for $4,652. Over the same time period, they gave their former boss 2,518 donations, for $425,525.

    Throughout his campaign, Trump has portrayed himself as a strongman who would toughen up America’s defenses — both militarily and at the border — and who would take care of veterans. It’s probably no coincidence, therefore, that Trump performed best in donations among employees of three agencies: Defense, Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs.

    But even employees of these more Trump-friendly agencies have overwhelmingly contributed to Clinton’s campaign. From Defense employees, Trump received 341 donations for $43,575. Clinton got 2,392 donations for $225,560, giving her 84 percent of the money. From Homeland Security employees, Clinton got 90 percent of the donations, and from Veterans Affairs she took 88 percent.

    Romney performed significantly better than Trump with employees at all three agencies, receiving, for example, $98,153 from Defense employees, which amounted 21 percent of donations.

    During the Republican primaries, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said, “Let’s create a little bit of a recession in Washington, D.C., so that we can have economic prosperity outside of Washington.” Fear of such plans might be the truest explanation of these uniformly lopsided donations.

    Schultz, the Hamline professor, said “self-preservation”— particularly for workers engaged in public sector unions — probably motivates their political giving.

    “This means support for their jobs,” he said. “Clinton, for the most part, is going to be probably a continuation of more or less what Obama is.”

    Federal government employees, he said, are likely “more willing to give to somebody who would be more predictable in terms of supporting their livelihood, their jobs, as opposed to somebody who might be less predictable.”


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Already posted at least once before how the 97 percent figure is deceptive. It’s a very small percentage that actually donate anything. And in this administration you were probably targeted if you were a democrat. Or if you were assigned on any investigation on the orange fraudster.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Already posted at least once before how the 97 percent figure is deceptive. It’s a very small percentage that actually donate anything. And in this administration you were probably targeted if you were a democrat. Or if you were assigned on any investigation on the orange fraudster.

And I already posted that far beyond just political donations by FBI/DOJ, there has been massive cover-ups in multiple FBI scandals over the last 20 years a least, that shows a high ratio of FBI/DOJ agents are complicit in covering up abuses in FBI/DOJ.
Two FBI agents just today were forced to give testimony about their PROVEN false previous statements about what they knew about he Hunter Biden laptop before he 2020 election, vs. what they said previously under oath.


So far as I've been able to see over the last 10 years, there are NO SITUATIONS, NONE, where you acknowledge there has been ANY criminal partisan political abuse of FBI power, by ANY agent, not even Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, or dozens of others in FBI leadership forced to resign or be fired over the last 8 years.
And after resigning or being fired for what they did in 2016-2017, then at their new jobs in social media, they coordinated with other Democrat-Bolsheviks who remained in FBI/DOJ and CIA, to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story, AGAIN, during the Nov 2020 election, to rig the election for Joe Biden by suppressing the vote.

So... your proving to be an obscenely partisan Democrat-Bolshevik yourself, I don't see how you have exhibited any objectivity when it comes to recognizing FBI corruption, the extent of it, or having the understanding, or even the DESIRE, to weed it out or punish it.
Quite the opposite, you seem to cheer on past abuse.
And cheer on re-weaponizing the FBI as soon as Trump leaves office, at whatever point Democrats regain power.

Likewise, you are absolutely tone-deaf to the FB/DOJ abuses of power in the Mar A Lago raid (even leaders in the FBI now acknowledge there was no justification for a warrant, to have done that raid).
And you are likewise one-deaf to the outrageous Constitutional abuses in the four made-up fake trials directed by Merrick Garland and Joe Biden's DOJ, WHILE TRUMP WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, no less. BIDEN'S POLITICAL OPPONENT !
Nope, nothing to see here, nothing at all...
rolleyes

You cheer on every abuse of power, in setting up a one-party authoritarian Democrat-Bolshevik permanent takeover, and shredding the Constitution and checks and balances in the process to do so.

And I JUST CITED, ONE POST ABOVE], sourced and linked, an article that shows a similar 90% to 99% infiltration, the same Democrat-partisan corruption, in at least 17 other federal agencies. Likely all of them.
FACT.
Cited. Sourced.

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