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Prove it in court.

"The lack of proof is proof of the conspiracy!"

-Every conspiracy nutter ever.

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In 2000, Democrats screamed election fraud, and in accordance with election law, Republicans complied with 3 re-counts, in front of the world media, that showed if anything, George W. Bush won by even larger margins than were counted in the initial election. Nothing was hidden, every verification was permitted and complied with.

But the Democrats TO THIS DAY still say it was an illegitimate election victory for Bush.
Private newspapers like the Miami Herald and New York Times, beyond that, did their own independent privately funded independent re-count.
They also found no irregularities, and that Bush actually won by a few hundred more votes than in the previous election recounts.
Democrats still to his day allege Bush "stole" the 2000 election.


Democrats challenged the 2004 re-election of Bush, and failed.


Democrats challenged Trump's 2016 election and failed, and over 70 Democrats wouldn't even attend Trump's inauguration, and called him an "illegitimate president" for his entire 4 years, and to this day. Despite every challenge given its full consideration under federal Constitutional law.

Republicans fairly weighed every Constitutional and lawful challenge, and it was actually Joe Biden (as VP and president of the Senate) who shot down House Democrats' challenge of the electoral vote count in Jan 2017, because Democrats did not have the required Democrat Senator to support several House Democrats' attempts to offer an electoral challenge.

KEEP IN MIND: Democrats challenged every presidential election winner who was a Republican, every election, for TWENTY YEARS.
EVERY election the Democrats didn't win.



In 2020 there were many irregularities, millions of mail-in ballots with no verifiability, no chain of custody.
The normal procedure in battleground states nationwide, where ballots are kept on file for 22 months after an election, in the legal and constitutional procedure if an election challenge should be made, was ignored.
Republicans were labelled as "undermining democracy" for EVEN ASKING for a verification and re-count.

THE SAME verification Democrats demanded in every election they lost for 20 years !!

Security of voting machines was proven to be breached, electronic access keys to voting machines were missing in Philadelphia and elsewhere, flash drives filled with vote records were wiped clean, voting machines were loaded with new software before AND after the Nov 2020 election, so no re-count was possible in many places.
In Arizona as I posted articles and video of at the time, hardcopy ballots, instead of being held for re-count for the legally mandated 22 months AS IS THE REQUIRED BY FEDERAL ELECTION LAW, were immediately shredded in public view in (shown videotaped and posted on Youtube) in the 2 weeks after the election.

In every one of the 7 battleground states, Donald Trump was winning in Nov 2020 up till after 3 AM on election night, and then after Republican vote observers were tricked into going home and only Democrats were present to observe vote counting... suddenly there was a huge spike in votes for Biden, a vast change from what had occurred all night up till then. And in the morning Biden was declared the winner.
It was a rigged election, unless someone can provide a lot of credible evidence otherwise for what occurred that night. Because what happened that night was highly suspicious, and the absolute refusal of Democrats to permit a re-count, to EVEN EXPLAIN the things that do not add up, screams election fraud.
It was a rigged election, pure and simple.
And I've provided the evidence of that 50 times over in the last 5 years in this and other topics. And even at that, only a fraction of the evidence available.
Until these things are fully investigated and explained, it was clearly a rigged election. If Democrats were confident it ACTUALLY WAS a legitimate election, they would not resist every inquiry into what actually happened on election night 2020.

I never said those elections were bogus. The most I've ever did on Bush-Gore was that a different court might have interpreted the dimpled chads And hanging chads differently. You keep screaming about things that failed to meet basic evidentiary standards in court. Keep dreaming.

You’re not gonna get an honest argument from him. He’s basically in cult that will be loyal no matter what.

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Merrick Garland, Chris Wray signed off on ‘Arctic Frost’ probe that targeted GOP groups, ‘spied’ on senators, documents show
https://nypost.com/2025/10/23/us-ne...groups-spied-on-senators-documents-show/

• By Josh Christenson, Published Oct. 23, 2025
  
  
  WASHINGTON — Top Biden administration officials personally signed off on an FBI investigation that would go on to target nearly 100 Republican-linked groups or entities — and may have even “spied” on members of Congress.
  
  Former Attorney General Merrick Garland, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco and FBI Director Christopher Wray’s signatures all appear on an April 4, 2022, document authorizing the bureau’s “Arctic Frost” probe that was released Thursday by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa).
  
  Grassley accused the Biden administration of having “unleashed unchecked govt power at the highest levels” in a bombshell X post on the disclosures before vowing: “My oversight will continue.”
  
  The FBI’s Washington Field Office requested the senior officials’ authorization before looking into “an apparent effort to obstruct Congress’ certification of the Electoral College” and “fraudulent certificates of electors’ votes were submitted to the Archivist of the United States, purporting to represent the actual elector votes from the states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Wisconsin,” the files show.
  
  “Open source reporting and public statements made by individuals closely associated with Donald J. Trump, Inc. (Trump Campaign) present an articulable factual basis indicating the existence of a federal crime, and thus the FBI seeks to open a full investigation,” according to the four-page memo written by Wray.
  
  FBI Director Christopher Wray speak...d Governmental Affairs Committee hearing
  
  The FBI boss — who resigned one day before Trump returned to office as the 47th president — sent the missive to Garland, who signed it April 5, 2022.
  
  “Merrick, I recommend you approve,” Monaco scrawled beneath her boss’s signature line.
  
  Arctic Frost would eventually provide investigative material to special counsel Jack Smith for his indictment of Trump charging unlawful efforts to reverse Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory — but [ also surveillance of ] prominent [ Trump ] donors, allies and even sitting senators were also swept up in the FBI’s dragnet.
  
  According to unclassified files also released by Grassley, the bureau quietly issued subpoenas for nine congressional Republicans’ phone records as part of the probe, a move the 92-year-old senator called a “weaponization” of federal law enforcement that was “arguably worse than Watergate.”
  
  Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) has since accused Smith — whose case against Trump was dismissed before he assumed office — of having “spied on duly elected members of Congress” and called for the DOJ ex-special counsel’s disbarment.
  
  “As part of Jack Smith’s weaponized witch hunt, the Biden DOJ issued subpoenas to several telecommunications companies in 2023 regarding our cell phone records, gaining access to the time, recipient, duration, and location of calls placed on our devices from January 4, 2021, to January 7, 2021,” Blackburn wrote in a letter earlier this month co-signed by others whose phone metadata was accessed.
  
  “We have yet to learn of any legal predicate for the Biden Department of Justice issuing subpoenas to obtain these cell phone records,” added the letter, which was also signed by Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama and Dan Sullivan of Alaska as well as Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.).
  
  Sens. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Bill Hagerty (R-Tenn.), Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) also had their call logs seized during Arctic Frost.
  
  The so-called “toll analysis” of the phones could have shown who each member was calling or texting in the lead-up and immediate aftermath of the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
  
  Additionally, 92 Republican or GOP-aligned groups or people — including Turning Point USA, co-founded by assassinated conservative activist Charlie Kirk — were investigated in a way that appeared to show “Arctic Frost was much broader than just an electoral matter,” Grassley said in a September hearing when announcing the release of more unclassified bureau files.
  
  “Arctic Frost wasn’t just a case to politically investigate Trump,” he [ Senator Grassley ] added. “It was the vehicle by which partisan FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors could achieve their partisan ends and improperly investigate the entire Republican political apparatus.”
  
  “They tried to force Charlie [ Kirk ], and many other people and movements, out of business,” Trump said of the probe. “They Weaponized the Justice Department against Sleepy Joe Biden’s Political Opponents, including ME!”

All tthoroughly documented, and definiely not dismissable as a Republican or right-wing "conspiracy theory".

Your Democrat-Bolshevik party at work, shredding the Constiution, basic U.S. civil rights, and destroying the nation from within.

THREE re-counts permitted by the Republicans in 2000, in front of open view of the global media.

TWICE submitted before the U.S. Supreme Court. The first time, the U.S. Supreme Court was not eager to intervene, and sent it back to the Florida Supreme Court.
When the Florida Supreme Court acted in a partisan Democrat way and refused to do the right thing, ONLY THEN, the second time it was put before them, did the U.S. Supreme Court rule that there had been many re-counts, and it was time to declare there had already been abundant re-counts, and that the election was over, and George W. Bush had won. ( And by the way, I voted for Ralph Nader in that election, not Bush.)
And if not for that U.S. Supreme Court ruling, the Democrats, would have held out for 20 re-counts, 30 re-counts, and if there was one re-count where by a fluke Gore and the Democrats managed a narrow win in one count, that would have been the only re-count that they considered valid.

And that's not even including the multiple additional privately funded re-counts by the New York Times, Miami Herald and other newspapers, AFTER the election. Where they re-counted every dimpled chad.

So it's rather dishonest to say you don't call the W. Bush 2000 election "bogus", or that the chads would have been counted differently, because there were multiple re-counts done at the time, and even the liberal media re-counts came to the exact same conclusion. So it's dishonest of you to say you respect the 2000 election result, because you just left some open ended plausible deniability saying otherwise in your above quoted post, despite the overwhelming consensus of re-counts done in 2000, by multiple parties.

And certainly, the overwhelming majority of the Democrat Party, from former presidents and VP's like Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, to Democrat Senate and Congress members, who would not even attend Trump's 2017 or 2025 inaugurations, to millions of vocal grassroots Democrats, STILL EVEN NOW say W. Bush "stole" the election in 2000, and openly slander Donald Trump as an "illegiimate president", even if you were to disagree. But the way you cling to plausible deniabiliy in your quoted above post makes me believe you actually agree with them, while pretending to be more reasonable.


And again: similar re-counts were never even permitted ONCE in the 2020 election. That on multiple fronts, gives evidence to 2020 Democrat election fraud.
And FBI, DOJ, CIA, and Obama /Biden White House participation in that fraud.




I was frankly shocked at how uncivil the Democrats were in 2000, even after the election ended, and their ongoing relentless attacks on Bush as illegitimate (attacks by both by elected Democrats, and by George Orwell's allied liberal media), how they called Bush stupid and incompetent, and continue to allege that W. Bush "stole" the 2000 election, despite all the re-counts and public openness and adherence to the Constitutional rule of law.

And this went on right up to the day of the 9-11-2001 attack, at which point elected Democrats and the media pretended to be patriotic and civil for about 6 months. And then the moment the war in Iraq turned out have more resistance than expected (from external Al Quaida leadership in the "Iraqi resistance", and external Iranian equipment, IED's and fighters, NOT actual Iraqi resistance) , the Democrats began undermining Bush, and trashing Bush for the war that THEY, THE SENATE DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR, ALONG WITH REPUBLICANS, SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE MARCH 2003 INVASION BEGAN.
But the Democrats undermined Bush, calling it an "illegal war", and "Bush's war" (again: THAT THEY VOTED FOR TOO, IN ADVANCE OF THE WAR !) , and were every day mouthing the talking points of the enemy Iraqi resistance, and of Al Qaida, the Russians, the Chinese , and the Iranians who were supporting them.



And comparing the 2000 Bush vs. Gore election re-counts by Democrats, to those later permitted by the Republicans in the 2020 rump vs. Biden election, Democrats were cooperative in permtting exactly... ZERO re-counts.

The presidential election recount that is PRESCRIBED BY CONSTITUTIONAL LAW in every election.
But Republicans in 2020 were called "unpatriotic" and "undermining democracy" for EVEN ASKING for a re-count, that is prescribed by law, that the Democrats demanded in 2000, 2004, and 2016, in EVERY presidential election they haven't won in 24 years.

And beyond that, the Democrats tried to imprison and disbar every lawyer involved in helping Trump challenge the 2020 election and for EVEN ASKING for a verifying re-count and proof it was a legal election.
The votes are supposed to be held on file in storage for 22 months, after every election. For EXACTLY such a re-count.
Democrats began re-programming the voting machines, wiping the election hardware and flash-drives, and shredding the ballots, IMMEDIATELY after the 2020 election.

But lawyers like Rudy Giuliani, Alan Dershowiz, Elise Stefanik, Kenneth Chesebro, Sydney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, Jenna Ellis, and a dozen others were put through hell and threatened with jail time, disbarment, bankruptcy (in he cases o Dershowitz and Sefanik, threaened with loss of their Harvard teaching positions), and with further months or years in court, and further hundreds of thousands of dollars in personal court costs defending themselves, if they didn't take a plea bargains and admit some minor plea of guilt, for crimes they did not commit. Attorneys, just doing their jobs, following legal defense of their client, offering a legal defense of President Trump, threatened with bankruptcy, disbarment and imprisonment, just for defending a client !

JUST like the Democrat-weaponized FBI and DOJ did to the 1,500 Jan 6th prisoners, as FBI did to the conservative pro-life / anti-abortion protesters, as FBI did to the parents who spoke up at PTA meetings in protest to woke indoctrination of their children. Across the board weaponization of FBI / DOJ, against their Republican political opposition. Burying all these people in $450,000 or more in legal fess, the threat of bankruptcy, overcharged and vindictively long and disproportionate prison sentences, if they didn't sign extorted plea bargains, admitting to crimes they NEVER committed.

Welcome to George Orwell's 1984.

Hyperventilating rubbish that no one is going to read in full. Take a breath. Touch some grass.