Originally Posted by iggy
Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
Have you been to one of his rallies, Dave?
I watched on 1/6/21 for the sole reason of watching a train wreck in real time. Was not disappointed while being very disappointed in how bad it got. Otherwise, would never give him that much of my own time or headspace.

I watched the Jan 6 2021 White House lawn speech on video. Multiple times, to verify what Trump actually said, vs. what he was slanderously accused of. It was a bit rambling and not his best, there are ohers I've liked a lot more, such as his inaugural speeches, and his state of the union speeches, and several rally speeches.

Trump at times can be very engaging, but admittedly, can also often be rambling and less engaging to watch. After he gives a prepared statement, he will often stay after an hour or more and answer questions. During daily press conferences during Covid in 2020, he would often answer questions for well over an hour. And I think that was a good thing, the public was concerned, and he would answer questions and concerns as long as reporters would ask. I think he is the most accessible president of my lifetime. You might not personally want to listen to all of it, but he is very available to those who do. And is accessible even to an overwhelmingly hostile liberal media. Trump like no other president, of either party, does not limit himself to he media that favors him, but often goes on networks that are openly hostile to him.


And I've posted extensive links to prove it is wrong to blame Trump for the Jan 6th riots. There were false flag agents who manufactured riots, or more accurately, the few scattered pockets of riots, by dressed as Capitol Police, firing tear gas and concussion grenades at peaceful Trump supporters. To the point that they finally began to push back in self-defense at the concussion grenades repeatedly launched at them, while they till then were just cheerfully standing around waving flags.



And there were at least 243 so-called "plainclothes" / undercover FBI agents hidden in the crowd, smashing windows, provoking, moving away barricades, and committing violence and vandalism, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters.
How much evidence has to be presented showing that, before we can give up the false narrative, that Trump or his supporters were the cause of Jan 6th clashes, instead of blaming the army of undercover FBI agents and other police, federal agents, Antifa, and other false-flag agents, who framed them?


243 agents alone, if that had even been all of them, is larger that the entire Capitol Police force on duty guarding all of the Capitol Square buildings at any given time. And by FBI's own admission (over 4 years later) there were 243 "plainclothes" FBI agents in and around the Capitol alone.

Ashlee Babbitt, 35, was killed by a Capitol police Leiutenant (Michael Byrd), NOT by any of the Trump protesters.
And as I've said repeatedly, there is an investigative reporter who is trying to prove the other 3 who appeared to die of "natural" causes, while they had previously diagnosed fragile health conditions, actually died because they were hit over and over with concussion grenades until they collapsed and died. Rosanne Boyland, 34, Kevin Greeson, 55; and Benjamin Philips, 50.

And the fifth casualty, officer Brian Sicknick, 42, who the coroner report said died of a stroke, natural causes, not as was initially slanderously alleged by the liberal media, (1) bludgeoned or (2) poisoned by Trump supporters. But later verified to have died not by violence, but by natural causes.


Trump repeatedly texted his supporters on January 6th, about every 20 minutes throughout the day from about 1:30 PM till 4:10 PM. After which Trump posted a final video on social media, that encouraged all his supporters to go home. Despite media false narrative otherwise, Trump NEVER incited the crowd on Jan 6th, and consistently in his White House lawn speech, and in his later text posts, encouraged protesters to "peacefully and patriotically" support Republican legislators' efforts to legally and constitutionally challenge the clearly suspect Nov 2020 election, during the Jan 6th congressional joint-session official electoral vote count.

And there were the required disputing House and Senate members to legally dispute the electoral votes, if the FBI's 243-man false flag operation and orchestrated riots and clashes had not stopped the session.
And when they came back in session at 8 PM, Senators Lindsey Graham and Kelly Loeffler, who agreed in advance to support House member disputes of states, were intimidated by the riots into not going through with the electoral count dispute.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_..._Electoral_College_vote_count_objections