Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Actually you are very partisan WB. You prove that with pretty much every post. This thread for example you try to make it that only democrats are criticizing this deal. Anyone can read about the issue and see that isn’t true. And the criticism is understandable! Trump spent a huge amount of money, lots of people killed and for what? How are we better off than before Obama’s deal?


That is yet again another deceitful strawman argument. I never said that ONLY Democrats are critical and hesitant of the deal. But it obviously is primarily Democrats attacking Trump over the Iran negotiations, because they reflexively oppose and obstruct anything Trump does.

What I clearly ACTUALLY said is that Democrats (Clinton, Obama and Biden) have previously negotiated bad deals with North Korea and Iran, that have made the world a more dangerous place, and assured that these rogue nations would get nuclear weapons. If not for Trump, both North Korea and Iran would now have nukes.

So it is hypocritical to accuse Trump of negotiating a bad deal, when they / you NEVER criticized the bad deals made by three Democrat presidents (Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden) over the last 35 years.
And unlike you, I cited specifics of what these Democrat presidents did wrong. And in Ausralia-Dave's other topic on this subject, I also said :


  • https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1242159#Post1242159

    Iran has been in constant war with the United States for 48 years since 1979, that has killed thousands of U.S. soldiers and civilians.

    Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H W Bush, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Barack Obama, and Joseph Biden all did little to nothing, either afraid or just hoped against logic that Iran's growing threat would just go away. And in the cases of Barack Obama and Joe Biden, gave Iran's islamic terror regime billions of dollars to widen their war against the United States, and further attack our allies worldwide, and even used the money BIDEN AND OBAMA GAVE THEM to develop nuclear weapons, and the missiles to carry them.

    Three months ago when Trump sent negotiators to try and reach a peaceful solution, one of the Iranian diplomats boasted that Iran already had 60%-plus enriched uranium, enough to build 11 nuclear warheads, and missiles to carry them, and that Iran was just weeks away from having completed bombs and missiles, ready to deploy. When U.S. negotiators communicated this to Trump, THAT is the exact point that Trump made the decision to go to war on Iran, to prevent Iran from reaching that threshold.

    Keep in mind, less than a year ago, the U.S. did a bombing strike that took out Iran's underground mountain nuclear manufacturing bases completely.
    And then undeterred, Iran just immediately rebuilt its nuclear program and missiles.
    And further used that redeveloped nukes program to threaten U.S. negotiators. In the Obama or Biden administrations, that would have intimidated them into submission, and Iran would now have nuclear weapons to blackmail or destroy the world. But Trump would not permit that to happen, and did what was necessary.

    Trump would prefer a diplomatic approach, but because Iran was revealed to be weeks away from having completed nuclear weapons, Trump knew there wasn't time to wait till after the mid-term election, he had to act now to prevent Iran from being in a position to become a nuclear power. A fanatical Islamic regime that is already the greatest sponsor of terrorism, that for 48 years has daily chanted "Death to America", and "Death to Israel", has said it wants nuclear weapons "to advance the cause of Islam", and with nuclear weapons, it "would wipe Israel off the map".

    A nation this fanatical can not be permitted to obtain nuclear weapons. Period, the end.
    I absolutely support Trump's actions in Iran. He is doing what is necessary, and 48 years overdue.





So I did include Republicans in those who all kicked it down the road for 48 years, for someone else to deal with.

But the reckless giveaways that allowed and EVEN DIRECTLY FUNDED Iran and North Korea getting nuclear weapons, were ALL from the Democrat party.
That is just an undisputable fact.

And it is not "partisan" to simply cite the undisputable facts regarding Iran and North Korea's nuclear development, as you partisanly attack Trump.
And then call ME partisan, for just answering the issue, and for citing the actual facts to correct what you distortedly raised.



I have been and remain a Reagan conservative, as a majority of America have identified as, the shared center, for the last 45 years.
What the hell are you? A far-Left Democrat talking points machine, that will parrot whatever the current rhetoric of the Left-lurching Democrat-Bolshevik party is.

You advocate that it was right and just to have killed Charlie Kirk.
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1241830&page=1

You threatened some kind of coming future vengeance and payback against conservatives for Trump winning a second term.
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1239936&page=1

You NEVER criticize even the most extreme and violent rhetoric or actions from the Democrat party.
You ALWAYS find a way to rationalize and excuse it. And even advocate it.

And then you have the audacity to portray me as a partisan, for pointing that out.