Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Trump certainly did try to steal the election and you supported those efforts. You can go reread the Wikipedia entry for the easiest summary of how Trump tried to steal the election. It’s well documented and sourced WB and you haven’t posted anything that changes those facts.


No, alleging Trump tried to steal the 2020 election is just your party's lying counter-narrative, manufactured to hide that the DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY DID steal the 2020 presidential election.



One of its two co-founders said that Wikipedia "has devolved into a Left-wing propaganda site."
And furher proof of that is if you look up any Republican, ANY conservative, not just the truly far-right ones, they are all demonized in their Wikipedia listings as "conspiracy theorists", "extremists" and other hyperbolic pejoratives and language.
And certainly, that is the focus of how Wikipedia portrays Trump. Any factual argument, on Covid, on the exponential rise of Muslim immigrant rapes of women in European countries, on Democrat election fraud, on Fauci, on the Wuhan research lab, on Minnesota Somali and Democrat corruption fleecing Medicare and Medicaid, no matter how documented, it is dismissed by Wikipedia and the broader Leftist news media as "conspiracy theory", no matter how thoroughly it has been proven to be true.

That said, Trump in 2020 pursued every LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL way to contest a Democrat-rigged election that was open to him.

You guys allege Trump tried to seat fake electors.
NO !!!
Trump had electors available so that if his Constitutional and legal challenge was successful, he had electoral representatives prepared so he could claim that state's electoral votes. Exactly what JFK did in the 1960 election with prepared alternate electors.

When Trump phoned Raffensperger in Georgia and said "I need you to find me 11,000 votes", he wasn't being a mafia boss asking Raffensperger to rig the election, he was saying what is certainly true in many electtions, that there are possibly uncounted votes, and to find them.
There are many election cases where uncounted votes are found in a re-count, and Democrats have reversed and won many elections with votes that initially were not counted, and then were "found" and pulled out of a magic hat, giving the election to the Democrat candidate.

Two I can think of :

When Al Gore had lost his Senate race to Norm Coleman, a day later Franken miraculously "won" and became the new Senator with "found" votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota#Results

Likeise the Arizona race where Martha McSally had won, and then a few days later, votes magically appeared to Make Democrat candidate Kyrsten Sinema the new Arizona Senator instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_Senate_election_in_Arizona#Analysis_and_Aftermath

I would argue, as many have, that both these Senate races are examples of Democrats taking a Republican victory, and then rigging it for the Democrat.
But regardless, they are examples that demonstrate, Trump was legitimately challenging a close 2020 election, and perfectly within his rights to do so. I would imagine candidates in close races in many elections say something similar over the phone, that "We need to find those votes somewhere to win."

That is not NEARLY the same thing as telling someone to manufacture the votes. But that is the narrative of the Democrat party, Wikipedia, and the liberal media about Trump making that call to Raffensperger.

I would argue that these and other examples show that there was not evidence to make electio-rigging allegations against Trump.
But instead that there is a CONSISTENT PATTERN of DEMOCRATS rigging elections.
Democrats made a ton of allegations and even prosecutions of Trump, and of lawyers close to him, to create a cloud of scandal over Trump, using Biden's DOJ AND FBI to do it. (as I've sited ofen, and overwhelmingly Democrat-aligned FBI.)

And FBI with unlimited resources could have kept Trump lawyers like Jenna Ellis, Rudy Giuliani, Kenneth Chesebro, Mark Meadows, and Sidney Powell, who were guilty of no crime, but FBI could have prolonged their indictments for years, costing each of them hundreds of thousands more dollars in legal fees.
So they took plea bargains and "admitted" to alleged minor crimes and took a minor fine and probation, just to end their persecution.
But the lying Democrat-Bolsheviks say they "admitted to CRIMES"!! No, just on-paper process crimes.

There were many Jan 6th defendants who even when they were found innocent, the [ 97% Democrat ] FBI and DOJ just kept serving indictment after indictment, to bury them in trials and legal fees for 4 years, on and on. And it only stopped the day Trump pardoned them.

And there is no one higher to pardon Trump himself. The Democrat/Left will go on making their allegations forever.
Because they HAVE to discredit him, to destroy not only him, but the MAGA movement. This is about persecution, not actual crimes.