RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events The 250th year anniversary

We will be celebrating the anniversary with its warts and all. It is a shame that we have a President that is trying to co-opt it into a literal Trump rally though. And sad that so many republicans are fine with him doing just that and so many other things I wouldn’t be ok with if a democrat was doing it. We can all do better and hopefully we get back on the right track again!

Uncle Sam has been apparently arrested for masturbating at the Trump event.

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What specific "many other things [ you ] wouldn’t be ok with if a democrat was doing it" ?!?

This is more empty Leftist demagoguery on your part, of Trump and Republicans. And really, barely-veiled hatred of the United States itself, and its history, that it's somehow shameful to plan a celebration for our country's 250th anniversary.
And this is increasingly the Democrat / Left view of U.S. patriotism, and of our history.

I just saw a poll that 70% of Republicans polled, would DEFINITELY display an American flag.
In the same poll, only 26% of Democrats say they would display an American flag. And many Democrats say they would display a gay or trans flag instead (which for my money, are each an ANTI-American flag, and the same as displaying the Russian-Communist flag. Which many Democrats do wave at protests, and have for over 10 years) All these are flags of the radical Left, of people who hate and undermine and are actively trying to destroy America.
If it's bad for America, your Democrat-Bolshevik party is all for it, and no one in the Democrat party voices a word of dissent.

De-fund the police.
Empty the prisons.
Open borders.
Abolish ICE.
Actblue, and billionaires George Soros, Neville Singham, Bill Gates, and LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman, ALL of whom are intertwined with the Chinese communist government, in their coordinated efforts to de-stabilize and overthrow the United States.
Attacking ICE and Border Patrol agents, and doxxing them and their families, encouraging violent attacks on them.
Openly now saying they want COMMUNISTS (euphemisttically self-described "Democratic Socialists", emphasis on SOCIALIST) elected, to do all the above craziness and more, to destroy the nation from within.

Rabid anti-Semitism on university campuses nationwide, and on the streets of New York and New Jersey, and NO ONE in the Democrat-Bolshevik party criticizes any of this.

Only a lone (and very far Left himself) John Fetterman has even tried, and for doing so, he has received death threats, and been threatened politically that he will be primaried out in his next Senate election.




Attacks on Trump and other Republicans, attacks on dissenting Democrats. And no criticism within the Democrat-Bolshevik party of any of this. Because this all plays into Democrat-Bolshevik intimidation and silencing of any dissent, either of Republicans or Independents, or even intimidation of those who have long been active and loyal to the Democrat party, often for decades.
NY mayor Eric Adams.
Long-time New Jersey senator Robert Menendez.
People long known to have skeletons in their closets, but for 15 or 20 years were protected by the Democrat-Bolshevik party. But within a week or two of when they became crittical of the Biden / Democrat massive influx of illegal immigrants to their cities and states, very suddenly their long-standing allegations of corruption and crimes were under investigation by the (97% Democrat-donating) FBI and DOJ .

And Democra/Left attacks on Elon Musk, burning Tesla cars and dealerships. Someone who was a visible Democrat for over 20 years, who suddenly was repelled by recent Democrat radicalism and crazy Stalinistt policy, who just before the election became a vocal supporter of Trump. And that is why Musk HAD to be intimidated, to intimidate others from also leaving the Democrat party and supporting Trump.
And you of course, M E M, have no problem with this Democrat violence and intimidation tactics. Shameful for anyone else who's not a Bolshevik, who observes these Tesla burnings and calls for Musk's assaassination (48% of Democrats polled !!)
But for you... hey, no problem.





I fail to see what's so "shameful" about President Trump promoting a large and festive 250th celebration of our nation's history.
The UFC fights are a national, and global, sport. It is no more shameful than inviting the year's champion football team, soccer team, volleyball team, baseball team, or hockey team to the White House to celebrate their victory.
All of which teams invited tot he White House has been occurring for decades annually, under presidents of both parties, back to at least Ronald Reagan's presidency that I can recall, and probably a lot further back than that.
It only gets shaped into a narrative of being shameful --OH ! OHH, SHAMEFUL-- when Donald Trump does it.
No, it's not. I's a celebration of the greatness of the United States and is history, an idea suggested by ulimate fighers and others in the UFC, who are fiercely patriotic, and huge supporters of the accomplishments of President Trump, who wanted to do their part to honor both Trump and the country.

About a week ago, former George W.. Bush-era presidential speechwriter Marc Thiessen said that a century ago when Teddy Roosevelt was president, he had elephants fighting giraffes on the White House lawn.





You know what I find disgraceful and an embarassment to the country, M E M?

THIS....

Ultra Woke Scott Wiener SCREAMED at By Anti-Israel Protesters at Trans Rally


One evil faction of the Democrat-Left angry mob, screaming at / threatening / intimidating ANOTHER faction of the evil Democrat-Left angry mob.
But Jacobinist / Marxist violent revolutionaries, one and all.

And if they aren't stopped, they will burn this country to the ground. There is no intimidation, no threats, no violence, these people will not resort to, to get power. And if they ever achieve it, they will go full-on Jacobinist French Revolution, on all dissenters. And then finally bloodily turn on each other, to intimidate, attack and kill anyone who doesn't share their particular strain of Democrat-Bolshevism.

As I've cited often, these are Leftist mobs that carry effigy guillotines and severed heads, clearly invoking the Jacobinist Reign of Terror. It's hard to imagine after carrying these guillotine props around since the Occupy Wall Street days of 2011, 15 years now, working up an increasing frenzy of hate and violence, that given the opportunity, they WOULDN'T actually kill their political opposition if they could.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/sick-democrat-under-fire-over-beheaded-trump-photo

That they've been openly boasting they would do if given power, whether unknowingly interviewed by Project Veritas, or by their brethren in the mainstream media, as Hakkim Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, James Carville, and Susan Rice have recently, saying these things less than 2 months ago.




THAT is the disgrace. That the Democrat-Left has fomented this violence since at least 2004, and it has come to this.
That Donald Trump as president is trying to restore our Constitutional freedoms, and to honor and remember a history we should be deeply proud of. And because it's Trump who is leading this honoring of our nation's history and achievements, the Democrat /Left wants to slander and destroy it.

But then... the Democrat / Left was destroying it anyway. They hate Trump because he got elected in 2016, and prevented the Democrats' Constitution-wrecking one-party authoritarian takeover.
And then Democrats rigged the 2020 election, and tried to REALLY make an authoritarian power-grab, from 2021-2024.

And then Trump, despite an incredible wave of lawfare against him, judge-shopped Trump-hating judges, with trials set in venues where juries were over 90% Trump-hating Democrats, and in several cases openly licking their lips at the opportunity to convict Trump, before seeing ANY evidence, ultimately rigged court convictions, and Trump hit with roughly a billion in fines and legal costs, and several assassination attempts on top of that.

Butt Trump still managed to become president AGAIN in Nov 2024, and wipe away all the Democrat-Bolshevik damage AGAIN, from Biden's 4 years.
And Trump even further rooted out decades of federal corruption: Democrat abuse of USAID, of Medicare and Medicaid by thieving Somali immigrants and Democrat leaders like Tim Walz, Ilhan Omar and Keith Ellison.

And now further rooting out literally MILLIONS of fake Obamacare registrations, a least a million individual healthcare accounts which were somehow set up despite people not having social security numbers. And a few million more where Americans without their knowledge or consent were signed up for Obamacare, but the money billed in their names was sent NOT to them, but to somewhere else.
And also billions in EBT / SNAP Food Stamps fraud, where just today investigators revealed they found the 300 a week or so given to individual people to by food on credit cards, was exchanged weekly to gangs and cartels, for money, drugs and guns.
ONLY because of Trump is this all being stopped.

And the M E M's and Igyy's out there are upset about stopping this corruption. And hate Trump even more.
For what?
For stopping it?
For exposing the Democrat party corruption at the core of this, orchestrating and allowing all of these fleeced tens of billions, no longer pouring back into the Democrat-Bolshevik machine?






You know what ELSE is a national disgrace, M E M ?

THIS.....

AFGHAN WITHDRAWAL, LEAVING $85 BILLION IN MILITARY EQUIPMENT ON THE BATTLEFIELD, FOR THE ENEMY TO SELL TO THE RUSSIANS, CHINESE, AND IRANIANS, TO REVERSE-ENGINEER, AND ELIMINATE OUR BATTLEFIELD SUPERIORITY. FAR BEYOND THE DISGRACE OF LOSING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, THAT RUMP NEVER WOULD HAVE, BUT BIDEN DID, IN RECORD TIME, BARELY 7 MONTHS AFTER BIDEN'S INAUGURATION.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_U.S._troop_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan




Oh, and THIS...

THE AFGHAN WIHDRAWAL (REALLY, ABANDONMENT UNDER BIDEN) WHERE 13 U.S. SOLDIERS WERE KILLED IN A BOMBING, BECAUSE SOLDIERS WERE NOT PERMITTED TO ENGAGE A SIGHTED TALIBAN SUICIDE BOMBER, AND THE BOMBER WAS ALLOWED IN TO HIT HIS TARGET, KILLING 13 SOLDIERS, and HUNDREDS OF FLEEING AFGHAN REFUGEES.
AND DOZENS MORE CIVILIANS, VIDEOTAPED, WHO DIED CLINGING TO U.S> PLANES AS THEY TOOK OFF, AND FELL THOUSANDS OF FEET TO THEIR DEATHS.
SUCH WAS THE CARELESSNESS AND DISORGANIZATION OF THE SUDDEN RETREAT FROM AFGHANISTAN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Kabul_airlift#Abbey_Gate_suicide_attack

No remorse, no shame, no outrage about THIS, M E M?




Or how about topless transvestites groping their own freakshow breasts in front of the White House under Joe Biden?
( I realy don't want to show pictures, and I doubt anyone here really wants to see them. But photos and video are abundant of this disgrace. The purest example of decadent and perverse. )


And how about the disgrace of lighting up the White House in gay flag colors?

How about the disgrace of making our embassies in nations all over the world, forced by a Biden executive order, to similarly display gay and trans flags at every embassy for several years, and similarly, up till Jan 2025, to allow under 8 years of Obama, and then later under 4 years of Biden, to use USAID and other foreign aid to ram a gay/trans and abortion agenda down the throats of nations worldwide.
How's THAT for shameful, and making the rest of the world hate us?



Or how about a groping Joe Biden, both as V.P., and then as President, , putting his hands all over teenage girls and children, where the video of them shows they are clearly uncomfortable and repelled by Biden's hands all over them and sniffing their hair.
And Biden furher groping wives and girlfriends of Secret Service agents.
And Biden deliberately walking around nude and saying creepy things to female Secret Service agents, there just to protect him, that he deliberately humiliated.
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1241824#Post1241824

Shameful? You bet.


Or a Joe Biden getting instructions from the Easter Bunny, CLEARLY a Democrat-Bolshevik party puppet that enabled them to run wild, not a president in charge. And the question remains: Who WAS in charge during Biden's 4 years?
Four years where an enemy nation could have fired missiles at any time, any day, and neither Biden or any of his staff would have had a clue what to do about it, and who even had the authority to do it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...-for-questioning-trump-s-age/ar-AA1Rw0K6



Or Joe Biden and wife Jill, taking calls from soldiers overseas, where one soldier jokingly said "Let's go Brandon !"
And Biden said "Oh, yeah, absolutely, let's go Brandon.."
Utterly clueless that it was code for "fuck Joe Biden", making it clear Biden hadn't watched the news in at least a month when it was reported on every day. And therefore clear Biden was not in charge, was not qualified or capable of being president, and had no idea what was going on in the world, to be the most powerful political leader in the world. To be mocked to his face, and not even know it.


But President Trump has a 250th national celebration, and you and other Democrats have a hissy fit about nothing, while ignoring YEARS of Democrats visibly destroying the country. And Democrats in just the last 2 months openly plotting in televised interviews (Susan Rice, James Carville, Chuck Schumer, and Hakkim Jeffries) about weaponizing government against Trump and other Republicans again, THE MOMENT Democrats ever regain power.

Stacking the Supreme Court.
Making Puerto Rico and Washington DC states, despite that each clearly doesn't qualify.
Eliminating the filibuster.
Eliminating the supermajority, moving to the "nuclear option" simple majority, to do all the above, basically shredding the Constitutional checks and balances, so Democrats can have one-party authoritarian rule, pretty much forever .
And that's when we'll see the Democrat Jacobinist Reign Of Terror really take form.

lol, you’re the guy who is just fine with the Trump administration hiring someone from Jan 6 that was yelling at a mob to kill law enforcement WB. And fine with Trump freeing those who did actually injure law enforcement.

Like I said we will be celebrating our country’s anniversary. Growing up gay in rural America I’ve seen this country change and grow in the best ways possible. That didn’t happen just because a minority wanted it and worked for it but because the majority changed and saw my rights as something worth protecting. Less people like you and that makes me very happy!

Actually, anything bad that happened on Jan 6 was the work of top secret Antifa plants, who did all that to make Trump look bad or however that nonsense goes. The rest were merely taking an innocent tour of the Capitol building.

As I made CRYSTAL clear, even Biden's 97% Democrat-voting and Trump-hating FBI and DOJ didn't charge the guy.
Because there was no evidence he committed a crime.
All he did was shout from a distance at people fighting, where neither Capitol police or the guys the police were fighing could hear what he was saying, and were not influenced in their behavior by what he said. He committed no violence or vandalism, or any oher discernable / prosecutable crime. Despite a 97% Trump-hating DOJ wishing they could.

He was expressing outrage over police abuse of power.
With at least 10 DC Metro police hidden in the crowd disguised as Trump supporters.
And 26 FBI agents in the crowd disguised as Trump supporters, FRAMING Trump supporters. And a few months after admitting to the 26 false flag agents they denied FBI sent for 4 years, FBI was forced to admit they sen another 274 "plainclothes" FBI agents in the Capitol protest crowd, disguised as Trump supporters. A mass of FBI agents that was larger in number than the entire Capitol police force on duty in all of Washington Square at any given time.

That all this was lied about by Capitol Police, by DC Metro Police, by FBI and other federal agencies, I think justifies Jared Wise's outrage and shouting at officers fighting with Trump supporters. And further, the police officers outside the Captiol firing tear gas and concussion grenades over and over at up till then peaceful crowds of ACTUAL Trump supporters, finally forcing them to defend themselves, I think all justifies Jared Wise yelling some outrage at police who were abusing their authority and using excessive force.

He was NOT fighting police, or committing any crime.
Just shouting that police there were abusing their authority, was NOT a crime, but 100% justified.

Wise did trespass though besides yelling to an angry mob of Trump supporters to kill law enforcement. You’re trying to minimize what he and other Trump supporters tried to do on that Jan 6. Trump and his supporters have made a mockery of our justice system but his time is running out and I hope a huge course correction is coming with the midterms.

I do not support political violence and it’s just pathetic seeing you trying to justify the unjustifiable while trying to attack me. To put it in the nicest way possible, we have different morals. Right and wrong for you is heavily tied into who is an R and who isn’t. Anything that keeps that party in power is going to be ok in your book.

I will be celebrating the good in our country that isn’t tied into political parties and of course some fireworks.

For the BILLIONTH time, even the 97% Trump-hating, overwhelmingly Hillary Clinton-donating FBI and DOJ, who deliberately over and over scuttled the evidence to prosecute a guilty as hell Hillary Clinton to allow her to run in 2016, this very same FBI strained with every resource they had to prosecute Jared Wise... and they charged him with NOTHING that you allege.

So in the absence of any prosecutable evidence FBI / DOJ manufactured fake made-up charges of "trespassing" and "interrupting a federal proceeding" because they had no actual crimes they could charge him with.
And FBI ultimately held Jared Wise indefinitely in jail WITHOUT prosecution, WITHOUT trial (a violation of his Constitutional civil rights by the Democrat-Bolshevik partisan authoritarian FBI, for openers, his right to a speedy trial) .

Jared Wise committed no crime, period, the end.

And because even the piddly allegations against Jareed Wise were false, and he was held indefinitely in jail without trial, Trump pardoned him.

And your selective omission and flat-out lies that Jared Wise "was yelling to an angry mob of Trump supporters to kill law enforcement" is proven false by the fact that NONE OF this "angry Trump mob" killed any law enforcement officers.
And the only people actually killed WERE TRUMP SUPPORTERS KILLED, BY POLICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What incredible lying hypocrisy on your part.
An UNARMED Ashlee Babbitt (age 35, an Air Force veteran) was killed by Capitol police Lieutenant Michael Byrd, through a small window on a locked door.
And while the deaths of Rosanne Boyland (age 34), Kevin Greeson (age 55), and Benjamin Phillips (age 50), were all listed as technically deaths from medical problems like heart attack and stroke, in truth Capitol police used excessive force and fired concussion grenades and tear gas over and over into the peaceful Trump supporter crowds they were just standing in, with intent by police to panic the crowd, make them fight back, MANUFACTURE a riot, that without those police grenades fired over and over would never happen. And that trauma over and over on people in fragile health is believed by at least one investigative reporter to be what actually killed them.
And then officer Brian Sicknick, (another Trump supporter, who had written a letter to his congressman protesting the impeachment of Trump on specious and purely Democrat-political grounds), was determined by the Washington DC coroner's report to be a stroke by natural causes, no other factors.


So it's incredibly ironic that you bemoan this Jared Wise guy allegedly encouraging protesters to murder police officers, and then you turn a blind eye to ACTUAL MURDER, OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS by police, as if it didn't even happen.

And piling onto your irony and hypocrisy, how Democrats nationwide have for years been pressing to "De-fund the police", and "All Cops are bastards", and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon". And total support by Democrats for Black Lives Mater and Antifa, Democrats rationalizing ANY violence by these groups against police as somehow justified.
OH YES!! Democrats are SUCH great supporters of law enforcement !!!!

And piling on another layer of irony on top of that, you cheer on the Open Borders and "Anti-ICE" protesters, who are attacking Border Patrol and ICE agents in cities nationwide, who are doxxing agents AND THEIR WIVES, AND THEIR CHILDREN, and openly encouraging attacks on both agents and their families.

And even the rioting that you 100% attribute to "Trump supporters" is questionable at best, with how many FBI undercover agents were hidden in the protest crowd disguised as Trump supporters, TO FRAME Trump supporters. 274 FBI agents admitted to, at last count. Which alone is a larger number of FBI agents than the total number of Capitol police on duty at any given time, to guard all of Washington Square. All these FBI agents concentrated in and around the Capitol for... what?
To frame Trump and his supporters.

And that is still only what FBI has admitted to at his point.

And not including 10 DC Metro police officers, that DC Metro has admitted to, in the crowd on Jan 6th, also disguised as Trump supporters, to frame Trump supporters.

And how many other undercover agents from other federal agencies such as DHS, who also have confessed (so far) to 20 undercover operatives inside the Trump protesters.

And that also doesn't include John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa Salt Lake City group, of a least 20 leftists, who giggled and gloated in their own videos about disguising themselves as Trump protesters, and laughing about Trump supporters being blamed for their own mischief. And JUST BY THE WEIRDEST COINCIDENCE John Earle Sullivan and a few others in his group were there in the room when Ashlee Babbitt was shot, and were able to film the shooting from TWO DIFFERENT ANGLES. As if they orchestrated what happened, and were very prepared to film it when it happened.

Democrats like to preend all this evidence doesn't exist of non-Trump actors on Jan 6th, and blame 100% on Trump what was clearly a Democrat/FBI frame job, with a lot of other Antifa and other false-flag groups thrown in the mix, all pouring massive resources into framing and discrediting Trump.

From googles AI…
“Jared Wise was not held in a physical jail or detention facility. Following his May 2023 arrest in Oregon, a federal magistrate judge ordered his release on a personal recognizance bond pending trial.Most misdemeanor defendants in the January 6 cases are not held in jail while their cases are pending. His charges were ultimately dismissed following a blanket pardon by President Trump.”

Wise certainly did commit crimes by trespassing with the goal of aiding Trump in his bid to stay in power even after losing the election. Because of Trump’s pardon we didn’t get justice. Instead Wise, who spent January 6 calling cops nazi’s and urging the violent rioters to kill the outnumbered law enforcement defending the capitol got a job with the administration.

And even Kash Patel debunked the undercover agents lie you keep telling…
“FBI Director Kash Patel clarified that 274 plain-clothes FBI personnel were deployed to the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. However, he contradicted claims that they were secretly embedded beforehand to incite violence, stating they were dispatched after the riot was declared specifically to assist local police with crowd control.”

America will endure but not because of people like you but despite it WB.
Happy 250 years everyone!

There have been many stories in the media about how AI is manipulated to conform to the liberal talking points of the Democrat / Left.
As are Wikipedia, Google search engines, Facebook-Meta, Twitter, and every other component of tech media.









Kash Patel didn't "de-bunk" your liberal-Bolshevik propaganda. He disclosed there were 274 "plainclothes" FBI agents within the crowd on January 6 2021.
Which is to say in delicately phrased euphemistic language, 274 UNDERCOVER agents, disguised as Trump supporters
And they WEREN'T there to "assist" Capitol police, because EVEN THE CAPITOL POLICE DIDN'T KNOW THESE 274 AGENTS WERE EVEN THERE !!

Aside from these 274 agents being there secretly, obviously working to frame Trump supporters, there is NO EXPLANATION given as a reason for why they were there that day.
You can call them "plainclothes", you can call them false-flag fake Trump supporters, but ultimately the same thing.
And if Kash Patel doesn't say that more directly, it is only because he is working with an FBI that is 97% Democrat, that already resists every order or reform that he, or Trump, gives the FBI and DOJ.



Says the Marxist/Leftist Democrat party propagandist, who parrots every Democrat talking point by the Democrat-Bolsheviks, as they work to destroy every last check and balance of our Constitutional republic. So they can gain permanent Democrat Marxist-Socialist authoritarian power..
Snuffing out free speech, trying to silence and "de-platform" the entire conservative half of free speech.

DEMOCRATS that for the last 10-plus years have tried to snuff out (under Obama's presidency) Fox News, and (under Joe Biden's puppet presidency) tried to snuff out Newsmax, and successfully did snuff out One America News.
DEMOCRATS who have snuffed out conservative news sources in a Google or DuckDuckGo search, so that only Leftist/Democrat narrative can easily be found.



Democrats also want to snuff out the Supreme Court, and appoint 13 Kitanji Brown Jacksons, so the Democrat-Bolshevik socialist-communist agenda can go forward completely unresisted.

Democrats want to "federalize" elections, so that the Republicans lose the ability to even dispute a rigged unfair election.

Democrats want to manufacture two more fake states in Washington DC and Puerto Rico, creating 4 more guaranteed Democrat senators, just to give the Democrats a permanent unbreakable Senate majority. Despite that Washington DC and Puerto Rico are not even qualified to be states.

Democrats want to eliminate the Senate filibuster, Democrats want to eliminate the super-majority down to a simple majority.
And some Republicans want to eliminate the supermajoriy first, ONLY because they are sure the Democrats will absolutely do so if they ever get the Senate majority again, and they inevitably will at some point.

Democrats support Black Lives Matter and Antifa, and NOT ONE Democrat voices a word of objection to these Bolshevik radical groups, even when hey attack police.
Democrats are TOTALLY ON BOARD for "De-fund the police" and "De-fund ICE" and the Open Borders movement.
Democrats are TOTALLY ON BOARD for emptying the prisons and letting every violent criminal out to prey on Americans.

And needless to say, Democrat intimidation and violence, attacking on average a Trump supporter every day, FOR 10 YEARS now.
Most recently, death threats against musicians and their families who would have participated in the July 4th 250th anniversary celebration. And intimidated, some pulled out.

• https://www.conservapedia.com/Left-wing_violence_in_the_Trump_era
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...es-600-incidents-of-violence-harassment/

In light of all the above, it is YOU, M E M, and others like you on the Democrat-Left, who are the threat to America enduring.

It is not my side, Trump and Republicans, who are attempting to erase and abolish all the checks and balances that make us a Constitutional republic.

It is the Democrat party, that works with foreign Leftist billionaires like George Soros and Neville Singham, and more directly Russia and the Chinese Communist Party, to fund an insurrection in the United States to overthrow our constitutional republic.
It is DEMOCRATS who work at every turn to undermine and overthrow the republic.

If America continues to endure, it will be precisely because of millions like me, M E M, and NOT because of Democrat-Bolsheviks like you.

What do you have to back up your claim that Wise was held indefinitely by the FBI vs the ai answer? And Wise is on video doing and saying everything I’ve claimed. He did trespass. There was no justice here as basically Trump used his pardon power to aid those that were willing to riot for him.

The whole notion that Jan 6 was staged to embarrass Trump has always been absurd. Years after Trump has never presented anything that could stand in a court of law. A pos like Jared Wise got a job in the administration while anyone that worked on the Jan 6 cases most likely got fired. These included people that had been assigned to work on it. They like the law enforcement that was viciously attacked by Trump supporters that day did not get justice.

You do long rants that are pathetic and untrue. I certainly didn’t celebrate Kirk’s assassination for example. George Soros is a citizen just like Elon Musk. Musk who spent a record breaking amount in getting Trump elected again. Musk who was able to go into all these government agencies and decimate them. It’s a lot of projection on your part in these rants.

And yes Patel did debunk Trump’s lies about the undercover agents who were called in after Trump’s supporters starting rioting. Not before. If I was a republican with a brain cell and some basic morals I would be pretty disgusted with my party as Trump set free those who attacked and injured law enforcement on that day.

Jared Wise was definitely arrested and imprisoned. I don't know the exact details of precisely when he was released, but he definitely was arrested and imprisoned, and DOJ / FBI, unable to prosecute Jared Wise for any of the made-up garbage you said, FBI went for the contrived made-up charges of "trespassing" and "interrupting a federal proceeding", just to maliciously detain him.

And Trump finally pardoning him and 1,500 other January 6th prisoners, is the only hing that finally ended FBI's fanatical persecution of these prisoners, continuing to pursue indictment after indictment against these protesters again and again, even after they were found innocent, and FBI would just whack them with one indictment after another, from a weaponized FBI with limitless resources. And not having the legal resources to fight back, were crushed.
Even after Trump pardoned these 1,500 prisoners, Bolsheviks in the FBI and federal prison system hid these prisoners and shuffled them around from prison to prison, so that hey remained in jail for several weeks or months even after their pardon. If that's not lawless, fanatical and Bolshevik, what is?

AS I SAID REPEATEDLY, there were literally thousands of prisoners a Democrat-weaponized FBI pursued, way beyond any reasonable prosecution for actual crimes.
And unable to charge them with ACTUAL crimes, FBI made up charges just to detain them.
Because these defendants' REAL offense was being Republicans, Trump supporters, pro-life activists, Christians, and parents who objected to "woke" school indoctrination at PTA meetings. And it was pure persecution that they were ever even arrested. Made-up fake crimes. Along the same lines as "Show me the man, and I will give you the crime."

I've gone OVER AND OVER AND OVER this Jared Wise thing with you, beyond the point of ridiculousness, you have absolutely no new points.
If Jared Wise did and said he things you claim, FBI would have prosecuted Wise on that.
But they couldn't, so they made up fake crimes, to drag him at great expense through the legal system for "crimes" he did no commit, but obligated him to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars on his legal defense, just to prove he was innocent. Against the limitless prosecution resources of the FBI.
Jared wise committed no violence or vandalism, he just shouted stuff at a distance that neither police or other protesters appear to have even heard, let alone been motivated by. And he as a law enforcement officer and federal agent, was shouting at police who he saw as abusing their authority and using excessive force on other protesters.
EVEN IF Jared Wise was actually trespassing (I think he was inside the Capitol for about 2 minutes, as was captured on released surveillance video), "trespassing" would normally be a $300 fine.

But FBI manufactured it into fake "federal" crimes punishable by years in prison. AGAIN, the 97% Democrat Hillary Clinton-donating FBI . Shouting at people, even at police, is not a crime. If it were, they would have charged him with THAT.
AGAIN, the REAL reason for the made-up charges was to go after Trump supporters, to intimidate and torment them with indictment after indictment of fake crimes by a limitless FBI, to incarcerate them and bankrupt them, cause them to lose their jobs, their businesses, their homes, due to incarceration without trial and being unable to work and pay their bills.

Some of them were recovering cancer patients who were denied their medication, and had their cancer resurge and come back compleely.

Five of those Jan 6th prisoners after a time committed suicide, because of he stress of their persecution and imprisonment with hundreds of thousands in legal fees, and no end in sight.

Oyhers were beaten in their cells by Trump-hating guards. One had a broken eye socket from a guard's beating, that healed back incorrectly because he was denied medical treatment for the orbital skull fracture.



Regarding AI, fuck your AI, it's another liberal propaganda tool.
I was at my brother's earlier today, he uses Alexa to ask about all kinds of piddly trivia.

I asked Alexa: Precisely how many Capitol protesters were arrested at the Jan 6 2021 Capitol protests?
ANSWER: "I have no information about that."

I asked Alexa, "How many were CONVICTED."
ANSWER: "I have no information on that."

I asked whether Ivermectin is safe to use to treat Covid-19
ANSWER: "I have no information on that." Ivermectin, in fact, has been used safely in the U.S. and worldwide on billions of people, curing hings like Malaria, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arhriis and Lyme disease. But suddenly in 2020, the Left decided to label i "dangerous", and Democrat pharmacists threatened physicians who prescribed it with being reported if they prescribed it, and having their M D licenses taken away. A medicine that was already in worldwide use for 50 years up till then.

I asked the same about HydroxyChloroquine.
ANSWER: "I have no information to answer that." Same thing, a medicine used safely since the 1940's in the U.S. and worldwide, on billions of people. No explanation from Alexa on why it was suddenly labelled dangerous to use for Covid treatment.
Despite that the CDC in France, and in nations throughout Europe and the Middle East were using it to fight Covid, some giving it out free to their citizens. With a safe record for 70 years worldwide, taken safely by billions of people. But suddenly unsafe to use for Covid. No explanation from Alexa. "I have no information."

Isn't it true that the head of France's CDC personally prescribed HydroxyChloroquine to hundreds of patients, and that countries across Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia prescribed it, and had low rates of Covid infection because they did?
ANSWER: [ Silence. I paraphrased more precisely multiple times, no answer. }


What about Remdesivir, to treat Covid? [ Remdesivir in contrast was an unsafe drug, that actually caused the deaths of thousands of patients in the U.S. during Covid, and was the recommended drug for Covid in hospitals by the CDC, but in Europe it was quckly banned. And several high-level people in CDC and other Washington insiders had a financial investment stake and profited from the prescribing of Remdesivir, despite that it killed people.
THIS drug the CDC recommended, while discouraging if not banning Ivermectin and HydrocyChloroquine. ]
ALEXA'S ANSWER: "I have no information on that."
Despite paraphrasing repeatedly: "I have no information".


I asked : "Alexa, what is the FBI Crossfire Hurricane investigation?"
ALEXA: "I have no information on that." [ Despite my multiple re-phrasings. ]

"Alexa, what are the Elon Musk Twitter Files?"
ANSWER: "I have no information on that." {again, I re-phrased multiple times, still no answer. ]

"Alexa, what is the FBI Arctic Frost investigation?"
In answer, Alexa quoted Wikipedia's liberal-spin version, that it was an FBI investigation of "election interference" by Donald Trump. It DID NOT say what it actually was, FBI spying on the phone and other communications of all the leading Republican Senate members, so another internal government coup by the FBI, just like Crossfire Hurricane, and the Twitter Files FBI / social media suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, so as to influence and rig the November 2020 U.S. presidential election in favor of Joe Biden.
None of that was even listed as aside criticisms of the Arctic Frost investigation.




Other questions for Alexa, I forget.

So... basically, Alexa has no information, or at best liberal spin, on a number of well-known high profile stories covered in the media over the last 10 years, that reflect badly on the Democrat party.
Put another way, AI / Alexa is a liberal propaganda machine, programmed by Silicon Valley tech employees, to spit out answers that conform to their over 90% far-Left political biases.
AI is George Orwell's 1984, pure and simple.
And I've seen many stories on Fox and Newsmax by reporters over the last 5 years or so, pointing out similar examples of one-sided propaganda, by whoever programs the AI answers in.

And the same with search engines, that since 2019 are algorithm-ed to filter out conservative news sources, and to only give the Democrat / Liberal official view in a search list of articles.
No dialogue of both sides, no counter-views permitted.




In your far-Left Democrat-indoctrinated opinion.




No, Trump has repeatedly made his case, as have his lawyers, and many conservative networks and publications, that you insulate yourself from, who ARE reporting these facts, a large number of which I've linked here, and even those just a fraction of conservative (or a least non-Left biased) sources available, such as Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, John Stossel, Sharyl Attkisson, Lara Logan, and John Solomon.
As you choose to marinate yourself in liberal propaganda.




Those in FBI who were fired were found to be about 2,000 liberal zealots
2,000 more like, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Kevin Clinesmith, whose biases and crimes are well known and widely reported. .



These are zealots who posted hatred of Trump and the people they prosecuted in their private texts and on social media, and KNEW what they were doing in these prosecutions was wrong.
People who belong in the FBI don't put people in federal prison for years on made-up fake "federal" charges, for what would normally only be a $300 fine.

They are zealots filled with hate and criminal intent, like Peter Srzok and Lisa Page. They deserved to be fired. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing, and were fired because they deserved to be.




I don't see any facts presented by you to make a case for that.
Whereas I've cited plenty of sourced information to back up what I've said.




Yes, you did. I linked he topic where you said it !!!!!!

YOU SAID, over and over in that topic, that Charlie Kirk "caused his own death", just by having a public dialogue and openly discussing issues with Democrats, both students and professors, at universities across the country.

Many of whom, in videos I linked, persuaded and changed their minds to a Republican / pro-Trump point of view.
And many others not.
But at least he was willing to engage them in a civil debate, that far from "terrible" or "violent", is in the tradition of 250 years of Constitutional free speech and open debate.

But in your head Charlie Kirk somehow "brought about his own death."
I pointed out how insane that was, over and over, and you just wen back and back to that mantra.



Soros is a Leftist billionaire who has said in no uncertain terms that he wants to orchestrate the overthrow of the United States, and reign it into a global world government before he dies.
He is pure evil. He has fomented revolutions in 15 former Soviet countries, and perfecting his techniques o stoke revolution in those countries over the last 30 years, has since 2004 been unleashing those tactics here, to destabilize the United States.
In a 1998 60 Minutes interview, George Soros revealed a bit too much of his true scheming face, and has often gotten this interview deleted, but others constantly re-post it.
Back in 2011, Glenn Beck described him as a real-life James Bond villain.



And I previously dismissed that bogus argument as utter shit garbage.


Others (not Patel) alleged that these 274 "plainclothes" FBI agents were spontaneously phoned and brought to the Capitol grounds and assembled AFTER the rioting began.
So you want us to believe that the FBI individually telephoned and assembled all those 274 agents between 12:40 PM when the first clashes began outside the Capitol, when the rioting (in pockets) reached inside the Capitol about 2:15 PM, and ended when Trump posted a social media video instructing his protesting supporters to go home and leave the Capitol at 4:10 PM.
It is RIDICULOUS to allege those 274 "plainclothes" agents were all individually called and assembled at the Capitol in that short time.
And further, the Capitol police have said they had no idea these 274 agents were there !!!!!
Clearly, to reach 274 agents and have them available assembled and ready when he rioting began, they were organized and brought there BEFORE the rioting ever began. Otherwise, FBI would never have been able to conact them and get hem all to the Capitol before that rioting had already ended by 4:10 PM.

So what were they doing there ?!?
Clearly, if the Capitol police had no idea they were even there, these 274 "plainclothes" ( actually false-flag / undercover ) agents, were there on another more sinister mission than the talking points narrative of the FBI and George Orwell's liberal media would have you believe, the narrative they were called spontaneously after the rioting began, to assist Capitol police. Captiol police who never even knew these 274 "plainclothes (false-flag) FBI agents were even there that day, so clearly they were NOT sent to assist Capitol police.

With brothers in arms like James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Kevin Clinesmih, and 25 others forced to resign or be fired from the FBI (and thousands more who are still in the FBI) , who made it CRYSTAL clear they had no reservations about using their FBI jobs to influence and rig a presidential election.



That the perpetrators of Crossfire Hurricane in 2016-2018 were all fired or forced to resign, and then their replacements went on to do the Twitter Files suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop in 2020 to rig hat election, and then went on after that to do FBI's Arctic Frost investigation, shows that FBI remains corrupt and Democrat-Bolshevik to the core, even after firing 2,000 of the worst at the FBI.
And that to make any reforms at all in a [b]97% Democrat FBI][/b that resists every order and reform by Kash Patel, he has to pick and choose his battles.

Have you considered that you can’t find any record of Jared Wise time in prison because he didn’t spend “indefinite time” in prison? I know I checked and couldn’t. There would be a record of it. So unless you can source it I think we can count that as a lie you have repeated many times. For someone that is on video calling law enforcement nazi’s while Trump supporters are beating the shit out of them. Trying to urge the rioters to kill them! That is so obviously evil WB that you are never going to make ok. And it’s all on video. This same administration rewarded him with a job for that! The same administration that has sent out ICE to brutalize neighborhoods with excessive force that you claim is intolerable for the trump supporters who traveled to try to prevent the transfer of power and resorted to force to do it.

And I don’t see anything I said about Charlie Kirk that translates to me celebrating his death. He wasn’t someone I don’t think I was aware of till he was murdered. After that I did read up on him and saw he was more radical politically than what I thought most people wouldn’t find acceptable for mainstream conservatives. But your party has changed to mirror Trump’s lack of morals and while he’s lost some support it’s become pretty clear your crowd will go along with whatever Trump wants.

Musk not Soros was granted access to my and everyone’s records and given power to fire so many government employees by Trump. Doge just finally ceased to exist with no review of what it actually accomplished. The administration has been busy rehiring people back. We now have a screw room problem because of doge cuts.

Patel did say those agents were called in after the rioting started. Are you trying to claim he was basing that on what others said? He’s a partisan loyalist to Trump so it was surprising to me that he did say that but maybe even he’s unwilling to lie when he knows the records show when they were called in.

Whatt you posture about is a distinction wihout a difference.

It is a FACT that Jared Wise was arrested by FBI.
It is A FACT that he was jailed, whether for 2 days or 2 years or 4 years.
It is a FACT that despite being unable to prosecute Jared Wise for the charges you allege, that "trespassing" in the Capitol would normally be just a $300 fine, but FBI maliciously charged Jared Wise and 1,500 others, twisting a minor fine into fake made-up bogus FEDERAL charges of "trespassing" and "interrupting a federal proceeding" that added years in sentencing to Trump protesters' made-up "crimes", and FBI kept pushing Jared Wise's prosecution on indefiniely despite no actual crime, right up to the day Donald Trump pardoned Jared Wise and the roughly 1,500 others, pardoned on Jan 21 2025, to end FBI's malicious prosecution of ALL of them on these fake charges.

• Julie Kelly, on Trump's pardon of roughly 1,500 Jan 6 prisoners
  https://www.clayandbuck.com/julie-kelly-97

It is not a lie, Jared Wise was arrested, and he was under prosecution for four years, right up till the day Trump pardoned him. Even when released, these innocent people were put through hell for another 4 years, many imprisoned and detained without trial for so long that, unable to work and have income, they lost their homes, lost their jobs, lost their businesses, and lost their ability to pay for their legal defense.against an all-powerful and limitless Democrat-weaponized FBI.

And Jared Wise AGAIN commited no violent crime, FBI did not even charge him for what you allege, because they could NOT.
So they continued to maliciously prosecute him on other bogus made-up charges, to harass and persecute him for another 4 years, right up till the day Trump pardoned him.



Uh...

• 
  Conservative grassroots activist Chaarlie Kirk Assassinated topic
  https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1241830&page=1
  
  
  
  
  Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man

  BREAKING: Journalist and college professor Stacey Patton goes viral by penning a stunningly powerful statement about how she was on Charlie Kirk’s “digital hit list” and recounting the horror that he inflicted on her.
  
  We cannot allow this tragic assassination to whitewash Kirk’s legacy…
  
  “I am on Charlie Kirk’s hit list,” Patton wrote to her 215,000 followers on Facebook. “His so-called ‘Professor Watchlist,’ run under the umbrella of Turning Point USA, is nothing more than a digital hit list for academics who dare to speak truth to power. I landed there in 2024 after writing commentary that inflamed the MAGA faithful. And once my name went up, the harassment machine roared to life.”
  
  “For weeks my inbox and voicemail were deluged. Mostly white men spat venom through the phone: ‘bitch,’ ‘c*nt,’ ‘n****r.’ They threatened all manner of violence,” she continued.
  
  “They overwhelmed the university’s PR lines and the president’s office with calls demanding that I be fired,” Patton wrote. “The flood was so relentless that the head of campus security reached out to offer me an escort, because they feared one of these keyboard soldiers might step out of his basement and come do me harm.”
  
  “And I am not unique,” she added.
  
  “Kirk’s Watchlist has terrorized legions of professors across this country. Women, Black faculty, queer scholars, basically anyone who challenged white supremacy, gun culture, or Christian nationalism suddenly found themselves targets of coordinated abuse,” Patton wrote.
  
  “Some received death threats. Some had their jobs threatened. Some left academia entirely. Kirk sent the loud message to us: speak the truth and we will unleash the mob!” she continued.
  
  “That is the culture of violence Charlie Kirk built. He normalized violence. He curated it, monetized it, and sicced it on anyone who dared to puncture his movement’s lies,” she wrote.
  
  “And now, in the wake of his shooting, there’s all this national outpouring of mourning, moments of silence, yellow prayer hands, and tributes painting him as a civil debater,” Patton continued. “But the truth is that Kirk and his foot soldiers spent years terrorizing educators, trying to silence us with harassment and fear!”
  
  “And now the same violence he unleashed on others has come full circle.”
  
  “But what i find especially jarring is the dissonance in public mourning for a smug white man whose life work was actively hostile to certain groups,” she continued. “Kirk spent years demonizing LGBTQ people, mocking gun survivors, spewing racism about Black folks, and pushing policies that literally shorten lives.”
  
  “It is so revolting to watch a bipartisan wave of grief sweep over this hateful racist as if he was a neutral community servant,” she concluded.
  
  This is pure unvarnished truth from Patton. Charlie Kirk did not deserve what happened to him, but nor did his victims deserve the hell that he unleashed on them. If Americans are going to build a more peaceful future for ourselves we must condemn political violence while also condemning the hateful, bigoted rhetoric that made Kirk a multimillionaire.

In weasel fashion, you didn't say it directly, you just QUOTED another leftist, saying exactly what YOU believe, that Charlie Kirk through open debate and activism, "brought about and caused his own death. "

That Charlie Kirk simply through his WORDS of debate and organized protest, somehow in Democrat / Left rationalization, his peacefully opposing Leftist indoctrination in schools and colleges, and debating it, changing minds through appearing in debates nationwide, made it somehow okay for the Left to not just fight back with words in honest and open debate, but made it acceptable in your collective minds to KILL him.


Got it, loud and clear.

I challenged ha rationalization that "Charlie Kirk brought aabout his own death" multiple imes, but you never condemned or broke away from that raionalization for his being killed.

Certainly a rationalization proven to be shared by an overwhelming majority of the Democrat-Bolshevik Left.





Obamacare did the same thing, and has PROVEN to be a large source of identity theft and fraud, using taxpayers' information.

Musk and his DOGE group of investigating volunteers, simply discovered waste, and it was ultimately up to the Trump administration and other Republicans and department heads, whether to act on Musk's DOGE recommendations. In a fiery exit, Elon Musk left over frustration that what you just said is NOT true.
And Musk was angry that he did all that work, and much of what he recommended was not acted on.

Musk never had direct authority to fire anyone. He was merely a volunteer and subcontractor, an investigator, not the ultimate decisionmaker.



What EXACTLY did Kash Patel say? You are implying he said something, without actually saying what he actually said.

If Kash Patel admits there were 274 FBI "plainclothes" agents hidden in the crowd on Jan 6th in and around the Capitol, that to me is exactly the same as 274 undercover false-flag operatives.
And that is certainly how everyone in the Republican party and in conservative media interpret it.

With Kash Patel more gently saying the same thing, because he runs a federal FBI agency that is 97% Democrat, and he has been struggling for over a year now against resistance and Democrat loyalist / Deep State corruption already in the FBI, even before he made any statement about the now-undeniable 274 agents, that the Capitol police say they never saw, while others in FBI allege the 274 "plainclothes" agents were sent to assist police around the Capitol, the latter of which statement is obviously untrue, according to the Capitol police themselves, that hey never knew FBI agents were there or gave any assistance.
So softening an FBI false-flag undercover operation and calling it "plainclothes" is just a parsing of words.

Just like James Comey in 2016 saying Hillary Clinton was not guilty of "gross negligence" (a prosecutable federal crime) with thousands of classified documents, Comey saying at a press conference it was just "carelessness", so "no reasonable person" would prosecute Hillary Clintton. (Just because he used a different word. )

.FBI's Patel clarifies role of hundreds of agents on Jan 6

This was an important admission as Trump was saying they were there before the riot started. The truth was that they were called only after the riot started. One of many Trump lies dispelled by one of his most loyal toadies.

Actually I can’t find anywhere that Wise was jailed for any length of time. Unlike many ice protesters I would add. Since you are clearly just making shit up that you can’t back up why bother trying to declare facts? I’m sure he had to spend some personal time having to deal with the consequences of his actions but there is no record neither of us can find that he spent any time in jail for his crimes. It’s too bad he wasn’t treated like an ice protester imho. Or at the very least one of the poor fuckers that have been arrested for touching the peeling liner in the reflecting pool. Wise is an evil pos who urged rioters to kill police officers. You can pat him on the back all you want because no officers were directly killed despite Wise’s actions, i think most sane people can understand that’s unacceptable behavior. That the Trump administration gave him a job after that shows how bat shit crazy things have gotten. You bitch about liberal fbi employees but this guy is a victim in your book points to just how insanely radically partisan you truly are.

“ This is pure unvarnished truth from Patton. Charlie Kirk did not deserve what happened to him, but nor did his victims deserve the hell that he unleashed on them. If Americans are going to build a more peaceful future for ourselves we must condemn political violence while also condemning the hateful, bigoted rhetoric that made Kirk a multimillionaire.”

It’s pretty clear to me that this wasn’t trying to say Charlie Kirk got what he deserved. It says right out that he did not deserve what happened to him. The argument is we shouldn’t just be condemning political violence but also the hateful, bigoted rhetoric that made Kirk a multimillionaire. I always condemn political violence WB that you just ignore. I did that on that very thread btw.

“ In weasel fashion, you didn't say it directly, you just QUOTED another leftist, saying exactly what YOU believe, that Charlie Kirk through open debate and activism, "brought about and caused his own death. "

Nowhere did they say that. She was saying that he didn’t deserve what happened to him. I don’t understand how you turn that into the opposite.

That's a Democrat-Bolshevik bumper-sticker propaganda talking point, without any supporting facts to back it up.

As I said, the narrative is that FBI spur of he momen called up 274 "plainclotthes" agents to back up Capitol police.
But Capiol police said THEY NEVER SAW these 274 "plainclohes" agents on Jan 6th.
So what Capittol police ACTUALLY say, DOESN'T MATCH the official "plainclothes" narrative. (i.e., the official narrative is a face-saving LIE for the FBI. )

From your own linked article :

• President Donald Trump, citing a report that the agents were in the crowd which did not make clear their mission, said earlier that Wray, "has some major explaining to do."
  
  "It was just revealed that the FBI had secretly placed, against all Rules, Regulations, Protocols, and Standards, 274 FBI Agents into the Crowd just prior to, and during, the January 6th Hoax," Trump wrote in a Truth Social post on Saturday afternoon following a report from The Blaze, revealing the number of agents that were there.
  
  Trump added, "This is different from what Director Christopher Wray stated, over and over again! That’s right, as it now turns out, FBI Agents were at, and in, the January 6th Protest, probably acting as Agitators and Insurrectionists, but certainly not as ‘Law Enforcement Officials.’"
  
  The president said he wanted to know each officer’s identity and what they were doing at the U.S. Capitol.
  
  

Those names have never been given, their purpose has never been clarified. And as I said, the entire riot began at the earliest 12:40 PM on January 6th, rioters did not enter the Capitol building until 2:15 PM, and Trump made a video that made everyone leave at 4:10 PM.
It strains credibiliy that in 3 and a half hours at most, that 274 individual FBI "plainclothes" agents could have been phoned, come to the Capitol area, and organized so quickly to take any action. The riot would have been over before they arrived, let alone organized. And NO ONE in the Capitol police is verifying that narrative.

Trump in his quoted remarks is exactly right, that both James Comey and Christopher Wray have a long history of lying to protect themselves and the FBI. And this was a desperate statement by Wray to cover up a lie that was unraveling, an attempt to create a new narrative, to get in front of it. But their narrative does not match the FACTS.

For over 4 years, Wray said there were NO undercover FBI agents at the Capitol on Jan 6th.

Less than a year ago, Wray / FBI finally admitted to 26 agents at the Capitol on Jan 6, 4 of them inside the Capitol. NOT "plainclothes", clearly UNDERCOVER, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters.

Now when journalists Julie Kelly and Miranda Devine were going to expose evidence there were 274 agents , Wray made a false statement to try and take back control of an FBI false narraive that had already blown up in his face.

There, right above, you (1) condemn violence and then (2) say Charlie Kirk got what he deserved, IN THE SAME SENTENCE.

• It says right out that [1] he did not deserve what happened to him. The argument is we shouldn’t just be condemning political violence [2] but also the hateful, bigoted rhetoric that made Kirk a multimillionaire. [Then back to 1 ] I always condemn political violence WB that you just ignore. I did that on that very thread btw.

And you did this over and over in the linked Charlie Kirk topic.

Certainly, your Democrat-Bolshevik party openly advocates violence:

• * Millions of "likes" by Democrats on social media, when someone tries to assassinate Trump or other Republicans, even advisors to Democrat House and Senate members saying things like "a good start" (after the Republican baseball game shootings by a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer) , and "better aim next time" (after Trump was shot).
  
  * And millions of Democrat "likes" on Facebook and Twitter after all these attacks.
  
  * An average of one attack a day on Trump supporters, EVERY DAY for 10 years since Trump began running for president in 2016, ofen for things as small as wearing a MAGA hat. Attacks on Republican candidates. I linked one a while back where a Republican running for office was punched stting a a convenion table, and a Democrat came up behind him and punched him in the head sso hard he had a concussion. Multiple people campaigning for Trump have been murdered. An 18 or 20 year old kid campaign voluneer for Marco Rubio going door to door was beaten so badly he was hospitalized. Many others.
  
  * Democrat leaders like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Watters, Rashida Tlaib, Chuck Schumer, Cory Booker and many others, many I've shown video of here saying it, openly advocating violence. I don' recall you condemning any of their quoted incendiary remarks. It is not a coincidence that they are speaking violent rhetoric, and Democrats are consistently acting violently against Republicans, police, ICE and Border patrol. Only Senator John Fetterman in Pennsylvania has condemned it, and for this he himself has gotten death threats, and further threatened he will be primaried out of office by his party for it.
  No oher Democrat in office condemns this rhetoric, or Anifa or BLM violence and rhetoric, or condemns the attacks on Trump and other Republicans. Or even condemns Democrat leaders' rhetoric calling Trump Hitler or a Nazi who has to be stopped. Rhetoric ha is clearly motivating these attempts to kill Trump, and other conservatives like Charlie Kirk.
  
  * In polls, 56% of Democrats say it would be "morally justified" to assassinate Trump, and 48% in the same poll say it would be "morally justified" to assassinate Elon Musk.
  And for what exactly? Just supporting Trump and being an independent voter?
  
  * Burning of Tesla cars and dealerships all over the United States, just to intimidate Musk.
  
  * Black Lives Matter and Antifa violence for 10 years, BLM/Antifa riots and looting in hundreds of cities nationwide.
  
  * You sided wih Renee Good and Alex Pretti, when they openly attacked ICE / Border Patrol agents, Pretti aggressively clashing wih police while armed, and found carrying mutiple extra clips of ammunition, clearly heavily armed for an anticipated fight, that he initiated, even after his parents advised him not to "do anything stupid" (i.e., specifically, confronting police physically, which he did).
  Renee Good tried to run over an ICE agent, and the agent was still hospitalized at least 2 monhs later from the impact of Renee Good hitting him with her car, firing his gun in self-defense 100% justified.
  https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1241680

Far from condemning ANY of this violence, you ALWAYS rationalize and side with the radicals, both with their incendiary rhetoric, and their actually attacking police, ICE, and conservatives, while simultaneously and ambiguously saying you somehow "always condemn violence".

“ Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
.FBI's Patel clarifies role of hundreds of agents on Jan 6

This was an important admission as Trump was saying they were there before the riot started. The truth was that they were called only after the riot started. One of many Trump lies dispelled by one of his most loyal toadies.


WB: “That's a Democrat-Bolshevik bumper-sticker propaganda talking point, without any supporting facts to back it up.

As I said, the narrative is that FBI spur of he momen called up 274 "plainclotthes" agents to back up Capitol police.
But Capiol police said THEY NEVER SAW these 274 "plainclohes" agents on Jan 6th.
So what Capittol police ACTUALLY say, DOESN'T MATCH the official "plainclothes" narrative. (i.e., the official narrative is a face-saving LIE for the FBI. )”


Patel is a Trump loyalist so if he’s saying the agents were called in after the rioting started it’s because Patel can’t hide the plain fact that records would show when these agents were called in. You ignore what Patel says and repost Trump making allegations that shouldn’t be hard to back up with phone records if they were true. But once again there is no evidence to back up Trump’s claim being produced after all these years. Also consider if Patel’s statement was the lie then wouldn’t the Trump administration go after him in court? That certainly didn’t happen. Patel is still enjoying doing a shitty job even though he allegedly lied to protect a conspiracy against Trump? Pretty ridiculous but that’s what your presenting.

Acknowledging how Kirk made his money while his victims suffered isn’t an endorsement of his murder WB. You throw a bunch of other shit allegations at the wall as usual but it doesn’t change that I never endorsed what happened to Kirk but clearly expressed the exact opposite. You just got caught making up fictional prison time that Jared Wise never served. Here you’re just ignoring what I plainly said. You have sympathy for the guy who is on video yelling to Trump supporters to kill cops. You will even make up false prison time for him. But me acknowledging how Kirk made his money while clearly saying that doesn’t condone what happened is crossing a line? Glad I’m not like you WB.

I JUST EXPLAINED why that is a bogus narraive. The facts don't conform to your shit false narrative. There is NO WAY that 274 agents could be called, show up, and organize in LESS than 3 and a half hours that the "riots" (and even that term overstates what actually happened on Jan 6th) occurred, from approximately 12:40 PM till 4:10 PM. And there was probably no enough of a situation o call for reinforcements, if they actually did call the 274 agents in spontaneously after-the-fact, until sometime after 2:15 PM, when the firs protesters breached the Capitol interior.
So at best, your narrative assumes tha 274 agents were all called and arrived and organized in LESS THAN 2 hours.
That's iust simply not believable.

Added to that, the Capitol police say they had no idea these 274 agens were here, and certainly did NOT assist Capiol police, as your shit narrative alleges, in containing rioting protesters.

ANYONE can make a public statement, and it is not necessarily true, and in this case it is OBVIOUSLY factually untrue, no matter who made the public statement. I happen to like Kash Patel and like that he is the current FBI director. And I don't know his reasons for the untrue statement he made. AGAIN, I think i has to do with the fact that he is running an FBI that is 97% Democrat, and an FBI that is resisting Kash Patel's every effort to clear away at least 20 years of FBI corruption and Democrat weaponization, and restore public trust in the FBI. And to do so with that much resistance, Kash Patel has to choose his battles, and in this case made a statement that allowed those under him to save face.

BUT AS I ALSO SAID, out of roughly 1,500 protesters arrested, over 90% committed absolutely no crime. And were maliciously arrested by FBI, overcharged, arrested and detained indefinitely WITHOUT TRIAL until under extreme duress they signed confessions to crimes they did not commit.

It is A FACT that double doors to two of the three entrances to the Capitol were held wide open, and protesters were INVITED IN by Capitol police. And then were arrested for this a few weekss later in armed overkill FBI raids at gunpoint. I have multiple times posted video here of these people walking in as Capitol police held the double doors wide open for them and made no effort to tell them to leave or push them out. THEY WERE INVITED IN, BY THE POLICE.

And in other cases, also shown on video, people in Capitol police uniforms, ON VIDEO, are shown taking away the police barricades. So the protesters coming to that point even two minutes later would have no idea this was an area they were restricted from entering.
ALSO, there is video of a short guy in a Capitol police uniform waving them in, to come that way.
So arresting them later for "trespassing", or illegally "parading", amounts to entrapment, and not any actual crime. They were tricked into going there.

Even with allegations of Trump supporter violence outside the Capitol, I've posted dozens of videos of Tromp protesters and reporters as well, who say the Trump protesters were just standing around peacefully, laughing, talking with each other, just waving flags, when multiple people in police uniforms started over and over firing tear gas and concussion grenades at them, into a till then very peaceful crowd, until these uniformed officers successfully agitated and provoked them into fighting back.

I've posted many videos of Jan 6th witnesses to that, here is one:






Even among the 10% or so of protesters who are alleged to have committed violence or vandalism, it is PROVEN there were literally hundreds of people there DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, who were NOT Trump supporters, hidden in the crowd:

• * at least 274 undercover FBI agents,
  * at least 20 DHS agents,
  * at least 10 DC Metro undercover police officers (ALL admitted to by these agencies),
  * as well a John Earle Sullivan and at least 25 of his Antifa Salt Lake City group,
  * the Antifa-Aligned Boogaloos group,
  * the retired police and military Oath Keepers (an undercover FBI operative shared a hotel room in DC the night before Jan 6th with the head of Oath Keepers, and THIS UNDERCOVER FBI AGENT, not the Oath Keepers head, provided the "battle plan" for Oath Keepers to follow on Jan 6th. It was a clear set-up, a frame).

This is an insane amount of deception and false flag, by people in FBI, Antifa and other false flag groups who openly DESPISE Trump, or at best had their own agenda, and did everything they could to set up and smear Trump and his supporters, to render Trump politically radioactive and unelectable.
As the Democrat-weaponized FBI has a long history of doing, back to at least pushing aside Senaor Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) creaing a glide pah for the Democra candidate who replaced him.
Likewise the Scooter Libby investigation and prosecution, to hurt the W. Bush administration in the polls for the 2004 and 2006 elections.


And the head of FBI leading these Jan 6th undercover operations, is the same guy who led the false-flag sting in Michigan for the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping sting. Instead of being fired from the FBI after the Whitmer kidnapping frame case, he was instead sent to frame Trump supporters on Jan 6th. By a Trump-hating 97% Democrat FBI.

So there is ABUNDANT EVIDENCE that the majority of violence and vandalism was done by these non-Trump undercover operatives, to set up , frame and smear Trump supporters




Already asked and answered.

No, that's you again rationalizing that Charlie Kirk was somehow hurting people with free speech, who he rightly just exposed as radical Leftist anti-American college professors, abusing their university positions to indoctrinate propaganda in students, rationalizing that because he did, he somehow caused or brought about his own death, and he deserved to die.

And you never proved anything with Jared Wise. Lefitst-programmed AI talking points are not "facts", they are just leftist propaganda.

You can't tell me specifically how long Jared Wise was incarcerated for Jan 6th, you just allege without proof that it's not what I said.
And I'm glad you're not like me too. Because you're an indoctrinated Democrat-Bolshevik propagandist liar. I've cited and sourced what I've posted a hundred times over, and all you have is factless bumper sticker slogans.

The 97 percent stat is another lie. And it wouldn’t be surprising that the Capitol police wasn’t aware of agents trying to get there after the riot started. They were clearly overwhelmed with all the “peaceful Trump supporters” trying to beat the shit out of them. It was a pretty chaotic scene. I absolutely don’t believe Kash Patel would lie about something that contradicted Trump. Especially a conspiracy theory so beloved by maga. Patel is way too loyal to Trump. This is something that shouldn’t be a mystery either. Phone records would show when these agents were called. And considering that Trump is accusing these agents of being part of a false flag operation it’s unacceptable to just let that hang. If there really was evidence of this, his DOJ would be going after those agents harder than the poor saps who touched the peeling liner of the reflecting pool.

Report: 97 Percent of DOJ Employee Political Donations Went to Hillary Clinton
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...olitical-donations-went-hillary-clinton/

FACT.

That I've sourced and linked about a thousand times here, over the last 6 years or so.
Further confirmed by the actions and texts of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Srzok, Lisa Page, James Baker, Kevin Clinesmith, Christopher Wray, and several dozen others at the highest level of the FBI (and if you weren't aware, FBI is a subdivision, within the DOJ ).

The FBI's stated reason those 274 "plainclothes" FBI agents were sent on Jan 6th to the Capitol was SPECIFICALLY to assist Capitol police.
If they were actually assisting Capitol police, SOMEONE in the Capitol police force would have known they were there on Jan 6th. That Capitol police did not, clearly puts the lie to the FBI's false talking points narrative for why they were there.

The ACTUAL reason they were there was to disguise themselves as Trump supporters, frame Trump supporters for false-flag FBI's own agitation and crimes, and try to incite the peaceful crowd to violence, which Trump's supporters overwhelmingly did NOT do.

There are over 20 Jan 6th rioters not identified. With FBI's face-recognition technology, and FBI's ability to identify even a masked person by their walk (or "gait"), how FBI identified every Trump supporter real estate agent and grandma to arrest at gunpoint in armed FBI raids and prosecute, there is only ONE reason these 20 or so were never identified by FBI: Because they are FBI agents, and it would be an embarassment for FBI, to identify who these agents are, and have them plea bargain the reasons for their being there on Jan 6th, in a prosecution, if arrested.

FBI officials Christopher Wray and Jill Sanborn when asked if there were FBI agents undercover disguised as Trump supporters OVER AND OVER were asked 1) Were there undercover agents in the crowd, 2) Did these undercover FBI agents incite violence in the crowd, and 3 ) Did these undercover false-flag FBI agents commit violence and vandalism THEMSELVES on Jan 6th?
And each time, Christopher Wray and assistant FBI director Jill Sanborn said "Senator I can't answer that.."

Because if they said "yes" they would be admitting FBI's conspiracy to frame Trump and his supporters, to setting them up.
And if they said "no" and it was proven later that there were, oh, say, 274 false flag FBI agents found to be in the crowd on Jan 6, that PROVED otherwise, they would be going to jail for perjury.

And as much as you obviously hate Kash Patel, WHY do you believe he wouldn't lie to protect the FBI? The last three FBI directors ( Robert Mueller, James Comey , and Christopher Wray ) have all lied, engaged in conspiracies against Trump and other Republicans (at least back o Ted Stevens and Scooter Libby) , and then further lied to protect themselves and the FBI from accountability.
I see Kash Patel as arguably not lying, just evasively engaging in spin to protect the FBI's reputation, as his predecessors have. In Patel's case, in an effort to get some internal cooperation in reforming the FBI to some degree.

The phone records thing cuts both ways. I think if the phone records actually proved what you say, the FBI would have produced those records a long time ago, to vindicate themselves.

Judicial Watch sued for the police bodycam video, about 1,000 hours of video (which they now have up on their website) , and Capitol police and FBI wanted to blur the video before releasing it, and Judicial Watch sued to get clear and visible footage (not blurred for "security reasons") and Judicial Watch with a judge's order, WON.
At every stage for the last 5 years, Democrats want to hide what actually happened, whereas Republicans want to release all the video footage and evidence.
What does THAT tell you, about who has nothing to hide, and who wants to tell the public the truth?

That stat only represents less than 2 percent of the doj in 2016. It’s been a lie every time you used it to say that it represents all the employees in the doj. Like most of the general population, the doj employees mostly don’t donate to campaigns. And political affiliation shouldn’t mean loyalty to a president over country. Comey for example was a life long democrat. The FBI btw is predominantly white male. A voting bloc that tends to skew republican.

Patel is very clear on when the agents were called in. There isn’t any room for spin there. He even criticized Wray for calling agents in to help with the riots. Either he’s lying or Trump is. Patel is a loyalist to Trump so the fact that he’s saying the agents were called in after the riot started means he couldn’t spin it for Trump.

Pointing out that he hurt people isn’t the equivalent of saying he deserved being assassinated! I even made it black and white with saying he didn’t deserve that. Your response is that his victims deserved it. That is the difference between us. You’re attacking me for being against death and rape threats because Kirk’s targets deserve it in your mind. Yes we are different!

And you were the one who was making it appear that Jared Wise was being held indefinitely without actually knowing if he had been at all. You vs ai answer is an easy choice for me as you were clearly not being factual there. And you never did source your claim for that.

I've got to say, I'm completely fascinated by Dave's perspective on things. It is like listening to someone speaking Martian.

It is so foreign, so alien, and so odd that I don't know where to even begin. I mean, "false flag FBI agents". What's more believable, applying Occam's razor: "false flag FBI agents", or "angry rioters who were being told that the election was rigged"?

And the remarkable thing is the unwavering belief. Donald Trump could indeed shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and it would be an Antifa / leftist / Communist plot.

Also, Teddy Roosevelt didn't stage animal fights on the White House lawn. He and his son Kermit were too busy shooting them in Africa. I like mixed martial arts but staging a fight at the White House and charging tens of thousands of dollars a ticket is tacky and ill-spirited.

Here's what I think about your country's 250th birthday, for what it is worth. "A republic, if you can keep it," said Franklin. 250 years with some really low times in American history demonstrates how resilient the Founders' system of checks and balances was.

I tend to side with George Clooney. There are a lot of left-wing naysayers who think the country is on the edge of collapse, but I think the fundamental system is robust. Right now you have a deeply polarising President who controls both legislative houses and has stacked the Supreme Court with appointees... yet the system holds. Clooney didn't say this, but I will: When FDR introduced socialism into the country via the New Deal, dragged the US into a European war, and refused to follow tradition and step down after two terms, the system held. Warren Harding was corrupt as fuck, and the system held. The Civil War happened, and despite all European powers (apart from Tsarist Russia) backing the Confederates, the system held.

You live in a country with remarkably solid institutions. They provide stability and underpin the rule of law. That's a whole heap better than most countries.

I think there is at least a broad understanding that slavery left generational trauma. I think the fact that a black man can be President means that you've come a long way as a people to trying to fix that.

I've met a lot of Americans, and they have almost always been very friendly and optimistic people. I know there are many Americas within the United States and I have been to more than a few of them, but for the most part, the common threads across the country have been warmth and patriotism. I have some minor issues with American patriotism which I don't need to go into here, but I certainly respect it. I completely respect the warmth and geniality of Americans. Americans are a nice people. Canadians are nicer, but Americans are sunnier. Some broad generalisations in there, but I think correct ones.

Americans complain and hate each other over the internet but you've got much more in common with each other than your differences.

So, happy birthday. I hope your country lasts another 250 years. I don't have much doubt about that, in all honesty.

Thanks for the birthday wishes for our country Dave. I hope you and Clooney are correct. From what I remember with the 2020 election though a key part was a VP not willing to bend to Trump’s demands on not certifying the votes. Pence and all the other republicans that were not willing to help Trump steal an election are all gone now replaced with loyalists. I’m really concerned with Trump trying to do something similar with the midterms. What branch could really stop him? The judicial doesn’t have the power to enforce if the executive doesn’t comply while the gop controlled legislative would just go along with him.

As far as celebrations go, I sorta feel like the 250 wasn’t … fun!

I missed the 200th, but it just seemed like it had so much more fanfare. In 250 is a cooler number! I don’t know what I was actually expecting. Maybe a commemorative McDonald’s happy meal or something. But the moment just seems to have come and gone and outside of Joey chestnuts patriotic performance…. meh.

I’m old enough to remember the 200th and it seemed like all the other 4th of July’s. The millennium was also not the big huge deal that I thought it might be. Lot of people I knew had to work or stayed home because of y2k fears. The 250th was I suppose special for me because I celebrated with my fiancé in our own home.