#14805
2002-12-13 5:24 PM
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are y'psyched? t2 is one of my all time favorite movies. it absolutely kicks ass, from story to effects to one-liners ... the whole bit. any interest? here's the t3 site: http://www.terminator3.com/a new trailer comin on the 18th.
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#14806
2002-12-13 9:28 PM
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Ripped this image of the female Terminator (known as the T-X). 
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#14807
2002-12-14 1:45 AM
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what little i know of the storyline...
is that the arnold in this movie is yet another robot (t1 and t2 each featured different arnie-looking, unexplainably-thick-accent-bearing droids).
the previous two were t-800's. this one is an upgraded t-850 (no clue what the difference is. age?)
the morphing t-1000, as explained in t2, was just a prototype skynet used while developing the ultimate terminator **
the t-x is that ultimate terminator -- a perfected design, infinitely more deadly than arnie or the t-1000.
and she's cute!
** as an aside, the t-1,000,000 was the next evolution -- appearing in a brief, but amazingly cool 3d adventure at universal studios
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#14808
2002-12-16 3:31 PM
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Heh. A female terminator. Talk about redundancy.
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#14809
2002-12-16 11:28 PM
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I dunno what to think about it. I have faith in Cameron.......but I don't see any justification for this.
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#14810
2002-12-17 12:03 AM
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#14811
2002-12-17 12:33 AM
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please no more Dr Evil impressions!
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#14812
2002-12-17 12:35 AM
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#14813
2002-12-17 1:27 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Animalman:
I dunno what to think about it. I have faith in Cameron.......but I don't see any justification for this.
Apparently you haven't heard. Cameron is in no way involved in this film. He passed on it.
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#14814
2002-12-18 2:51 AM
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#14815
2002-12-18 3:36 AM
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cameron heard the original ideas for the proposed 3rd film mebbe 6 years ago. hated it.
then, there was a whole toss up whether or not arnie would be in the film without cameron (the two are super close, and will work together in another year on "true lies 2")
there was also a huge mess with whether or not sarah conner, linda hamilton, would be in the film (linda having gotten a divorce from cameron a few years ago).
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#14816
2002-12-18 5:35 PM
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#14817
2003-06-20 2:57 PM
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#14818
2003-06-20 2:59 PM
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#14819
2003-06-24 1:26 PM
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Visually,it looks mighty impressive.It's the story I'm wondering about.All the stuff that happened in T2 was supposed to have effectively neutralized the threat of Skynet & the subsequent machine war & so on.So I'm none too clear on how they'll do it.....but I'm also more than willing to give it a chance just because the previos Terminator movies were so friggin' awesome.
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#14820
2003-06-24 2:16 PM
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Terminator 2 sucked!
It blew!
It was a polished turd!
Meerly a special effects vehicle.
The story while not as bad as Turbulance or Con Air wasn't really that great at all.
Add that to having to listen to Edward Furlong's voice for two hours and the movie almost becomes painfull.
Just like the Highlander films there should have been only one.
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#14821
2003-06-24 2:17 PM
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I know now why you cry, It's because you paid ten bucks to get into this movie.
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#14822
2003-06-24 5:27 PM
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T3 has been getting some good word of mouth based on test screenings.
I think it'll surprise everyone when it comes out. Just because Cameron isn't involved doesn't neccesarily mean it's bad. He's not the end all of great filmaking, as True Lies and Titanic show.
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#14823
2003-06-24 10:28 PM
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I think it'll do pretty well for itself at the boxoffice.
But am I psyched for it? No. Liked the first two, but didn't love them. Not sure at this point if I'll see the new one.
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#14824
2003-06-24 11:42 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Animalman:
.........oh, shit.
Heh. That was my thought. Do the words "Alien 4" mean anything to anyone?
I will be very reliant upon reviews of this movie before I pay any money to see it.
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#14825
2003-06-25 12:01 AM
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I wish I could say I'm estatic, but I haven't even seen 1 and 2 in their entireties, although I did read the Superman vs. Terminator mini series by DC and Dark Horse.
I just registered a few minutes ago and want to test out my post to see if it works... Now I press add reply
*crossing fingers*
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#14826
2003-06-25 12:33 AM
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The one thing that bothered me about the Terminator movies was the casuality paradox they created with the plot. I mean, doesn't it go something like this: the Terminator arrives in 1980-something to kill Sarah Conner in the first movie. She survives only by crushing the Terminator in a hydraulic pump. But the robotic hand and broken microchip discovered in the wreckage was used by Cyberdyne (sp?) to create Skynet... Which in turn, created the Terminators, which were then sent back in time to kill Sarah Conner, etc., etc. Do you see the loop going on here? How could Skynet send a Terminator back in time if THAT Terminator was the device that created Skynet in the first place? It's a casuality paradox, one of the main reasons why astrophysicists and scientists like Stephen Hawkings don't believe in time travel. (It's possible to go into the future, based on relativistic time dilation, but it's impossible to go back into the past. What would happen if you travelled back in time and killed your own grandfather while he was still a baby? Would you negate yourself out of existence? Makes my head hurt...
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#14827
2003-06-25 10:17 AM
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I'm excited about this one, but mostly because of Kristana Loken.... ![[humina humina]](graemlins/love.gif) (But, I wasn't 100% on T2, and I liked that, so... ...I mean, it isn't like we're talking about "Legally Blonde II" here; I know what to expect in a Terminator movie, and from the little I've heard, this sounds like this will be a good Terminator movie...
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#14828
2003-06-25 11:01 AM
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The thing is, all 'time paradoxes' aside, wouldn't Skynet have learned by now that this particular course of action just isn't working? Every time it sends a machine into the past, said machine fails it's mission and gets destroyed.
You'd think by now it would have come up with a better plan of action and dealt with the 'human' problem head on in it's own time...It is a computer after all, and so it must think in terms of logic and statistical probability. A 0/2 success rate kinda demands that one rethink the strategy.
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#14829
2003-06-26 3:49 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Nonoxynol9:
I mean, doesn't it go something like this: the Terminator arrives in 1980-something to kill Sarah Conner in the first movie. She survives only by crushing the Terminator in a hydraulic pump. But the robotic hand and broken microchip discovered in the wreckage was used by Cyberdyne (sp?) to create Skynet... Which in turn, created the Terminators, which were then sent back in time to kill Sarah Conner, etc., etc.
sorta.
here's how the plan works (or will work, i guess), according to the popular "alternate 1985" theory, of back to the future part 2 fame.
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time passes normally, leading to a future where machines are sentient and struggle with men for power. there's a rebel leading the men, and doing so somewhat succesfully. so, the robots figure out a way to send one machine into the past to kill the mother (sarah) of the rebel (john), before the rebel is born.
the machine fails and is crushed in the hydrolic press, leaving only a cybernetic arm intact.
now, that future (described above) is no longer.
the arm is discovered by scientists who use the future tech to duplicate the concepts, thus bringing about the same man/machine future, only much quicker, because they have this "cheat sheet."
this time, the machines are much more powerful, even decimating the earth in judgement day-like fashion (hence the sub title of t2). however, just as in the first movie's previous future ( ![[eh?]](images/icons/confused.gif) ), a rebel is able to fight back for the humans.
the rebel, john connor, knows all about the machines because of his mother sarah's experience. knowing that they'll eventually send a terminator back to some point in time, john is able to capture and reprogram a terminator, then send it back in time to defend himself as a child.
the good terminator is successful, then terminates himself and all known remaining terminator parts.
that, now, destroys this second future.
so, at the end of the second movie, there IS no mapped out future -- only one that they now make for themselves (a line echoed in john and sarah's dialog through out both movies).
sooo...
the big question that i'll look for an answer from in the third movie is... how do the terminators still evolve?
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#14830
2003-06-25 4:59 PM
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Holy shit, dude... That makes total sense. I finally understand it now. I just always thought the crushed Terminator would "fade away" when it's own timeline became erased. quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
quote:
Originally posted by Nonoxynol9:
I mean, doesn't it go something like this: the Terminator arrives in 1980-something to kill Sarah Conner in the first movie. She survives only by crushing the Terminator in a hydraulic pump. But the robotic hand and broken microchip discovered in the wreckage was used by Cyberdyne (sp?) to create Skynet... Which in turn, created the Terminators, which were then sent back in time to kill Sarah Conner, etc., etc.
sorta.
here's how the plan works (or will work, i guess), according to the popular "alternate 1985" theory, of back to the future part 2 fame.
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(for those frickin idiots who haven't seen, at least, t2 yet!)
time passes normally, leading to a future where machines are sentient and struggle with men for power. there's a rebel leading the men, and doing so somewhat succesfully. so, the robots figure out a way to send one machine into the past to kill the mother (sarah) of the rebel (john), before the rebel is born.
the machine fails and is crushed in the hydrolic press, leaving only a cybernetic arm intact.
now, that future (described above) is no longer.
the arm is discovered by scientists who use the future tech to duplicate the concepts, thus bringing about the same man/machine future, only much quicker, because they have this "cheat sheet."
this time, the machines are much more powerful, even decimating the earth in judgement day-like fashion (hence the sub title of t2). however, just as in the first movie's previous future ( ), a rebel is able to fight back for the humans.
the rebel, john connor, knows all about the machines because of his mother sarah's experience. knowing that they'll eventually send a terminator back to some point in time, john is able to capture and reprogram a terminator, then send it back in time to defend himself as a child.
the good terminator is successful, then terminates himself and all known remaining terminator parts.
that, now, destroys this second future.
so, at the end of the second movie, there IS no mapped out future -- only one that they now make for themselves (a line echoed in john and sarah's dialog through out both movies).
sooo...
the big question that i'll look for an answer from in the third movie is... how do the terminators still evolve?
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#14831
2003-06-25 6:16 PM
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I'm not too hyped about this movie, even though I loved T2. Mainly because the movies evolved, up until T3. What I mean is, first you had a man vs. the robot. Then you had the robot vs. the liquid metal robot (which was pretty cool, although very unrealistic). Now, they go back to a robotic design for the T-X? It's absurd. One would think they would send back a better version of the liquid metal robot. It's like the machines regressed to a worse design (even though it's allegedly "the Ultimate Terminator")
Plus, no Cameron. No Hamilton... I'm suspecting this movie will do poorly, or at least not as good as a blockbuster should do.
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#14832
2003-06-26 12:11 AM
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Rob, perhaps the T-1000 was not melted by the liquid metal, but encased. Full schematic of a T-1000 suddenly available. Doubt it though.
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#14833
2003-06-26 12:04 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Nonoxynol9:
Holy shit, dude... That makes total sense.
I finally understand it now.
cool -- my nonsense worked!
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Originally posted by Nonoxynol9:
I just always thought the crushed Terminator would "fade away" when it's own timeline became erased.
i dont think it could, because it was now no longer attached to just that one timeline. having been sent to the past, it was now attached to, and actually existing in, that timeline.
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Now, they go back to a robotic design for the T-X? It's absurd. One would think they would send back a better version of the liquid metal robot.
arnold's t-800 refers to the t-1000 used in the second movie as a prototype.
in an alternate future, the robots created a t-1,000,000, which was an enormous liquid metal monster, typically taking the shape of a spider (and seen only in a "4D" movie/ride at universal stuiods -- very cool).
the t-x is the finished product of the above beta tests -- superior to the above, possessing the ability to morph, but not limited to it.
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Originally posted by Dave:
Rob, perhaps the T-1000 was not melted by the liquid metal, but encased. Full schematic of a T-1000 suddenly available. Doubt it though.
thats a possibility.
i'm also intrigued by the concept that, yet again, arnold's arm was severed in the second movie (wedged in the gears by the t-1000, then cut off by arnold to free himself).
since the arm was never shown as being completely destroyed, perhaps that technology is still available.
if that theory is intact, then maybe the past-present-future of the man vs. machine idea is a cyclical event, unable to be avoided.
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#14834
2003-07-02 6:48 PM
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I just saw it.
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Definately on the top 3 films of the summer.
1) X2
2) Terminator III
3) 28 Days Later
All you have to do is suspend your disbelief long enough to get past the improbable way all the cast come together + 1 scene with Claire Dane's father toward the end of the film (not to mention how they were able to meet him so easily to begin with!).
apart from those minor points..
Highly recommended. I will go so far as to say that it was better than T2. I just love those "inevitability of fate" type stories.
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#14835
2003-07-03 6:48 PM
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Just got back from seen it. Agree with above post. It rocked (aside from minor details).
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#14836
2003-07-04 6:17 PM
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Speaking of a Paradox: At the end of T2 you know why you know the war will still happen? John Conner still exists! If at the end of T2 Sara, John, Arnie, and the token black dude prevented the war there would have been no reason to send Kyle Reese back in time to impregnate Sara Conner. Unles of course every decision has it's own uninteruptable timeline which you imagine as a piece string. Now imagine that you roll that string into a ball ok. You could see how you could "quantum leap" from one time to another. Leaping from life to life. Hoping your next leap.... Will be the leap.... Home. 
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#14837
2003-07-05 4:06 AM
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T - 1 and T - 2 were Both great.
Am looking forward to seeing T - 3.
Time paradoxes are cool.
See The Back to The Future
Trilogy for more on that topic.
I think if humans can Imagine a
thing, it can be possible.
Who knows WHAT kinds of possibilties
are out there in the universe?
Maybe black holes are indeed the
portals to another dimension?
Assuming one can invent a way to
survive the Ultra intense gravity
of The Black Hole. (See the movie
BLACK HOLE - 1979 - Disney
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I have thought through all the
paradoxes that time travel presents.
I choose to suspend my disbelief.
Time travel is such a facinating
Device!!!
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#14838
2003-07-06 2:06 PM
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One serious flaw in your explanation!
If the future of the first Terminator never existed,then the whole film couldnt have taken place & the chip would no longer exist!
Also John couldnt be born if future Kyle never came back to shag Sarah.
The simpler explanation is alternate futures!
The thing that has always irked me is the whole John Connor/Kyle Reese thing.
Think about it,Kyle is Johns father & John knows this as we saw in T2,yet in the future he sends his own father back in time to get killed.
Ok,so maybe he has become a bit detached from such human failings,but it will obviously create an eternal time loop.
Changing the past will only ever create an alternate future so for Skynet to kill Sarah wouldnt change anything for themselves!
Love the Terminator movies,but time travel anomalies always give me headaches!
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#14839
2003-07-06 5:43 PM
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I loved it, much better story plots than the first two.
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2003-07-06 6:22 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ultimate Jaburg53:
That pic WAS NOT a link. I am disappointed.
I laughed, but I am still disappointed.
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#14841
2003-07-07 3:59 AM
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I don't recall who posted the bit where they said that future tech was left behind in T2, namely the robotic arm. Wouldn't you say that the arm wasn't terribly futuristic anyways?? After all it was merely a bunch of metal and hydraulics.
What would have been a noteworthy and time altering find would still be the CPU and power source.
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2003-07-07 9:40 AM
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I saw the movie Friday and liked it. I was worried that, since T2 brought closure to the series, this film was doomed to fail (released 12 years after the last one, having a different director).
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1. At least if there's a fourth film, it won't involve a Terminator going back in time to protect John Connor. Then it would be too repetitive (John would be like: "A Terminator's after me AGAIN? Damn!").
2. I liked how they explained why an obsolete model was sent to protect John, and an advanced one was sent to kill him (Was this also explained in T2? If so, I must have forgotten it). Watching this film, I thought it was funny for the resistance to keep sending inferior models back to protect him.
3. I thought it would have been funny if Arnold had dollar bills sticking out of his pants after emerging from the strip club.
4. Seeing how the Terminatrix identified her victims by tasting their blood, made me think of a really lewd way this could be adapted for a porn movie.
5. I also wondered how the Terminator, John, and Kate entered the army base. Terminatrix I could understand, since she was disguised, but somebody should have tried to stop the other three, or at least sounded an alert.
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2003-07-07 10:55 AM
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most likely our "friendly" terminator "persuaded" the guards to take a coffe break.
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