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I agree with you both; Reloaded is good, but didn't feel complete. They knew they had the third one in the bag, so why finish it off when the Revolutions is only six months away?

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Things that were cool:

*Zion* I liked it's ancient Batcave/Aliens-esque reactor look. The Temple/Rave scene was kinda hokey, but I's liked the music. "Machine are digging to our city... let's par-tay!"

*Power Suits* Another Aliens throwback, 'cept much better looking. It also reminded me of Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel, whereas all MI had Power Suits to fight the bugs.

*Neo playing 'Superman'* Very nice flight effects. I especially like the one early on when he was searching for The Oracle, finds her complex and races down, leaving a spiral of clouds. Plus the wind shear effects near the end.

*Computer-induced Orgasm* Holy shit, I wasn't expecting that! When that chick ate the cake, I expected her head to blow up, not her chocha! Merovingian, you sly fox!

*Persephone* Monica Belluchi is fuckin' hot. I don't care if she really didn't do anything. If you want more of her, she's in Enter the Matrix.

*The Freeway* Fuckin' sah-weet! The best chase scene ever. The Twins were good in their limited capacity... The Agents were still badass... Trinity and Morpheus held their shit down! I always wondered who would win in a fight: a kitana or speeding SUV? The last scene was the best. Everyone couldn't help but clap when Link screamed "YES!"

*The Oracle and Seraph* Say bye-bye to her, 'cause she ain't coming back. Gloria Foster died before filming Revolutions, so no more Oracle in that form. There could be another actress in the role; the best excuse could be that she had to change her template to avoid Agents or something. Seraph I wanted to see more of, the dude is a great martial artist. I know he'll be in Revolutions, so who knows?

*Neo's Newfound 'Power'* So, he can stop Sentinels now huh? I think that goes back to the whole Smith/Anderson connection. Smith is alive cause Neo changed him, and it's quite possible Smith changed Neo too. S'Funny how the machine is more human now, and human is more machine... ain't it?

All in all, loved it. It met my expectations because I didn't expect to be as "wowed" as I was with the first.

In the beginning I was thinking that it seemed like they were rehashing the whole bullet-time thing and I was disappointed until we saw that is was simply Neo's dream.

The chocolate cake bit was great! Totally unexpected "viewpoint." :)

Monica Bellucci is HOT! If you want to see even more of her in an interesting movie, check out last year's "The Brotherhood of the Wolf." She's there minus the dress. It's a french fantasy/romance flick. So yes, it's overdone, a bit trite and goes on for half an hour longer than it should have and therefore sometimes predictable. But hey, that's what French movies are like!

My favorite part? Morpheus and the Samurai Sword.

Actually, beyond the Matrix-in-a-Matrix idea (that Zion is just another level of the Matrix), there's also the possibility that Neo himself is really an AI program that has gained self-awareness.

The original goal of the Chosen One as AI in this case would be as a means of resetting the Matrix every so often so them uppity humans get put down again for awhile. Another possibility that I read on another board is that the purpose of the Chosen One program is to create a reconciliation between man and machine. Neo, the AI, loving and being loved by Trinity, the human. That's sort of what that councilman's speech to Neo in the engineering room alluded to.

As a possible support for the Matrix-in-a-Matrix idea, if you watch the monitors in the Architect's room, they show a number of scenes form the "real world" from Matrix 1. Well, how would that be possible if it was in the real world?

I agree with both of the posts above after a few days beyond seeing it. It is the only plausible explanation that makes sense. Now the w-bros could throw in a few more surprises, but I think that's the basic premise...

Remember, there is no spoon....

Happy to help.

Saw it last night. Was thoroughly impressed.

Action scenes and special effects were neat-o. I wasn't too put off by the unresolved plot... I went in there expecting that it wouldn't really make sense until the third one. Empire is shite without Jedi.

As we left the theatre, the Matrix-within-a-Matrix thing was mentioned a few times. The theory being that Zion is just another level of the program, there to keep the humans in line. It'd explain a couple of things.

Has anyone here read and is thoroughly familiar with The Invisibles? I've only read the first issue of this Grant Morrison series, but I've heard that the first Matrix film basically took the ideas in The Invisibles and adapted them to a different setting.

There's an article at the Comics Bin website which explores this. Interesting stuff:

http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/niven/142/recycleb/rb40.html

I like to imagine The Matrix as an original re-imagining of TRON.

I mean, individual characters with their own distinct personalities, referring to themselves and each other as "programs"... Humans being "digitized" and sent into a virtual "computer world"... Programs designated for specific tasks (The Seraph, The Merovignian, The Keymaker, The Oracle, etc.) The only thing they needed in this movie was a light-cycle scene. I guess the freeway chase will have to suffice!

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Originally posted by TheTimeTrust:
Has anyone here read and is thoroughly familiar with The Invisibles? I've only read the first issue of this Grant Morrison series, but I've heard that the first Matrix film basically took the ideas in The Invisibles and adapted them to a different setting.

There's an article at the Comics Bin website which explores this. Interesting stuff:

http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/niven/142/recycleb/rb40.html

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Morrison's a good fellow, but his claims that the Matrix ripped him off are pretty silly. The only thing similar between the two is the very basic concept(which Morrison didn't exactly "invent" in the first place), that the world we know isn't what it seems, and that there's a war going on between two factions(one the empire, one the rebels) to control it. Other than that, they're pretty different. If I had seen the Matrix a thousand times, I wouldn't have once thought "you know, this really reminds me of the Invisbiles".

I think that cooler than the Matrix-in-a-Matrix theory would be that they made us think at the beggining of the third movie that Zion isn't real either (taking Neo to that "It's all a lie and I'm powerless" state for the third time), but then reveal that it is real, and that Neo's will is so big that he actually managed to alter reality (being used to alter it all the time in The Matrix and all).

Nah, I think they're gonna go pretty straightforward with this and say Neo was a program developed by the Architect and placed in a human body, as done before in the previous six generations. It's the same program but is constantly changing...reincarnating, and relearning its power with each new host. The Oracle knew him before he did...Seraph tested him to make sure he's who he believes he is. The only thing not discussed is how the humans know how to find The One everytime.

Mxy's interpretation was a lot like what I was thinking. I don't think it can be as black and white as what you're describing, TK, because there's too much that doesn't fit(Neo deactivating the squids, Agent Smith "leaving" the hive, etc).

Got to get me some of that cake... yummy *licks lips*

Totally loved this movie, along with the first I might add.

I reallylike the Neo playing Superman.

The love scene was, romantic <so I'm a softy can yah blame me :) > The end with Trinity and him saying "I'm not going to let you go, I love you to damn much!" Made me tear.

The music is awsome, I downloaded I bet the who double disker.

The freeway scene totally got my adrenalin pumping.

Agent Smith's where a cool thing to watch not to mention Neo, that hottie mrrowl Matrix me baby, Ack hem anyway....

Trinity well, all I have to say is, YOU GO GRRRL!!!

I even figured out how Agent Smith is linked to the whole thing, have you..?

free. your. mind. :)

I came out of there psychicly charged which I havent felt that way in a while takes alot to open up.. not that any of you believe that but anywho.

Needless to say, great movie.

and that my friends is my two cents worth, enjoy.

The 100 Smiths fight was cool until it went cgi then I wondered if someone had turned on their playstation.
I enjoyed it, it was okay, but it made me think that the first one benefitted from it's limitations.

My fav part of the movie was the carchase...it must have broken some film records in intensity and mayhem

BTW, how do the humans know what they look like before they're freed? Their constructs are supposed to be mental reps of themselves, but how can they make the correct construct w/o physically knowing what they look like?

It´s automatically force programmed into their brains...I know I was there...

Teaser poster for Revolutions:

They were never freed. They are still in the matrix, or a matrix.

That's why Neo still had powers.
At least I hope it is or part three might suck more that Monica Lewinsky and divine Brown put together!

I just saw the movie today, and I just read all the previous posts. SURE glad I didn't do the latter before I did the former. I prefer going to see movies knowing as little as possible beforehand-- which has become tougher to do as the years go by.

The guy who plays Smith, when I saw him in LOTR, made me think he'd be perfect to play Loki if they ever did a THOR film!

Anyway, here's what I wrote for my APA...

THE MATRIX RELOADED: ENTER THE DRAGON meets H.R. Giger, part 2, with a bit of SUPERMAN thrown in. Yes, even I was amazed by part of the freeway chase—the part where the camera moved at high-speed UNDER the tractor trailer. I guess it was good to see more of the “world” the surviving humans are living in, but when one of the characters said “It’s good to be home” and looked over the city, I almost got sick. It was cool seeing Anthony Zerbe in a “good guy” role for once (I’ve seen him in everything from THEY CALL ME MISTER TIBBS!, THE RETURN OF THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. and LICENSE TO KILL), and he reminded me a bit of “Himon” from Kirby’s MISTER MIRACLE series. Overall, I think the metaphysical crap started to really get in the way of the science-fantasy part of the story, especially when “The Architect” started speaking on at length with such arrogance, but then the whole movie is so damn dark & disturbing (those are the UGLIEST robots I’ve ever seen) and I just tried not to care too much about any parts where I began to lose the “plot”. “To Be Concluded” really takes a lot of nerve, but I guess after STAR WARS and THE LORD OF THE RINGS modern audiences are more prepared for that sort of thing. As usual, I hope for a good ending… but we’ll see. (Now—what was that SHIT playing over the end credits? I had to walk out… noise is noise.)

You should have stayed. The teaser for Revolutions was shown after the end credits finished rolling.

"You should have stayed. The teaser for Revolutions was shown after the end credits finished rolling."

Yeah, I read that earlier.

Than they shouldn't have put something that some COMPLETELY offended my sensibilities over the end credits. (I used to stay for end credits... but more and more they do stuff like this.)

Anyway, as I said, I prefer going to see movies knowing as LITTLE as possible. So seeing a trailer NOW would not be something I'd want!