franta:

<<Ah hell yeah, I do. Soon I understand we won't even have Beyond on TV as the JLA episode is the finale!>>

heard that was justa rumor. i think batman beyond will stay out for at least a few more years. dini really wants to stick with that. its makin good money, i guess. plus, they have the dvd and live action (yeah) batman beyond move soon.

dunno if they'll ever go back to the good batman cartoons (original or new versions), even without dini and timm. they were simply fantastic. definitly my favorite incarnation of batman, by far (specifically with the aid of dini and timm).

<<But I hated how they revamped the villians>>

go ahead n'rant, bro! (or, is this the stuff you comented on before... ivy and catwoman too pale, etc.)

Dhaise:

<<With all the crap TW seems to slap the Batman franchise onto, I really miss TAS.>>

what really sucks, is, TW movies and cartoons really are just not made for the movies and cartoons anymore. they're made for the tie ins.

y'ever see that commercial (for sprite, i think), where its an office filled with executives talking about "slug" tie ins (slug meal, slug doll, slug posters, etc), and then, at the end, they go "and the movie? ... well, we'll come up with something." thats pretty close to how it is. while i was workin in the DC offices, they were talking about the new superman movie (with nic cage). the whole movie idea at that point, was tied around supes losing his powers, and fighting a polar bear (simply to tie in with coca cola advertising... thats the ONLY reason). sick.

BTAS gave real fans a big ass treat. GREAT stories, sweet animation, etc, etc. and, i think its a treat that will never again be repeated.

(my 1 big dream is a fully digitalized computer rendered btas movie, i.e; toy story. characters based off bruce timm's design, story by paul dini. limitless potential for fan appeal AND income, considering the high movie grosses of digital films)

<<Batman Beyond just didn't hold my interest.>>

couldnt agree more.

<<And 'Mask of the Phantasm' out-movied all of Burton and Schumacher's crap.>>

that too.

liked the 1989 batman film a lot, but... the cartoon always did it best.

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