Quote: Mxy... if you read comics to have something to read while in the crapper then of course you don't need consistancy in the stories and what happened 20 years ago doesn't matter.
Shit, I've explained it so many times and you still don't get it. Let me make it as clear as I can: all I want is good fucking stories. If I'm buying a book every month (or every week in Superman's case) for ten years and the stories stop being good, in fact, they start turning worse each week, I stop buying the book. This is exactly what happened with Superman. And then I started thinking about the reasons why the book started sucking, and I came to the conclusion that it's because the writers have been dragging the story started in Man of Steel for more than a story should last. 22 or more fucking pages each week, all (suppousedly) with the same importance and relevance to the character, and, on top of all that, big changes rarely happen, and the characters aren't even allowed to age (which traps them in a period of time in which only so much can happen). No fictional story is suppoused to last forever, and much less with all the factors: 1) one chapter each week, 2) barely any real change, 3) characters can't age. The weight of continuity is getting in the way of telling good stories, so the logic answer would be starting over like in 1986 and creating a new continuity. How does DC justify doing a new reboot, you ask? It'd be to improve the quality of the stories, of the main story, and that's all that matters. There's no point in sticking to an old continuity if it's NOT PRODUCING GOOD STORIES ANYMORE. Even the same guys that made that continuity great in the past couldn't make any good stories with it. There's no reason for sticking with the old continuity. No reason. The Pre-Crisis continuiy ended, and so will this one, sooner or later, and you know it. Better sooner than later, I say. Man of Steel rocked. The first years after that rocked even more. Nothing done with Superman afterwards compares to it. Imagine getting stories as good as those again. I know you like the Man of Steel continuity. I like it too. But it can't last forever. Just let it go. For me it ended in Superman #150. We may not coincide in what the new continuity should be like (I'd like a touch of retro, you wouldn't), but you should at least be mature enough to see that a reboot is necessary.
Quote: If, on the other hand, you read comics for the stories, then consistancy/continuity does matter.
The most succesful stories in TV, movies and comics, are those that that use continuity and are consistant with what came before.
From Star Trek to Buffy to Terminator to Matrix to Starman (the comic), these concepts used continuity and consistancy that was 40, 8, 17, five and 7 years old respectively and they caught the attention of a varied chunk of the mainstream.
First off, I explained the difference between those and Superman: Superman gets a new 22 (if not more) addition to the story EACH WEEK, which makes the story told since 1986 longer and more convulted than stories told over 30 or 50 years. I know continuity is a tool that can make stories very cool, but it's insane to A) Impose it to EVERYONE who likes the book or Pretend it can last forever. Second, using Star Trek as an example doesn't work for me. I've never seen more than five minutes of it. Third, the Matrix sequels sucked in every possible way a story can suck.
Quote: Buffy was a succesfull 8 season TV show that was a spin off of a crappy movie... the quality of which didn't stop the creator from being consistant with it to the point of using it (remade, but used it anyway) as continuity for the TV show.
There's several inconsistancies between the movie and the show. The show makes reference to events similar to those that happened in the movie, but they're not exactly the same. Whedon didn't respect his own continuity and I think it was a wise decition: the movie did suck, and being limited by it would have been stupid.
Quote: It doesn't matter if it was an idea that came out 20 years ago (like say the genetic link Kryptonians has to their planet) or an idea that came out 40 years ago (like say Klingons), the point is that if the story is ONGOING then it has to be consistant, not catter to the toilet heads like you and King Krypton who go to the comic book store in the hopes of finding something to kill time while dropping a load...
I go to the shop to get good stories. You go to find a weekly addition to a decaying continuity to keep you satisfied. You, literally, pay money for someone to give you 22 more pages of that story started in 1986. It doesn't matter if the story sucks: as long as it's consistent, it satisfies you. I guess a writer doesn't need talent, after all: all he needs is to know about the continuity of the book he's writing.