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And Thanks Pig Iron! I will Check
out that Old Comic book covers site!
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The crap readers have been whinning to see come back...
Yeah!
All that useless crap... Like fun! And.. .self contained stories! And comics that could be read and enjoyed by both children and adults!
Yeah, who needs any of that oldschool crap. The way things are going, the comics industry will be dead in 15 years, and no one will have to worry about things like retcons and adherence to continuity, otr any of that other important stuff.
Oh, and that coulda been a wicked upskirt shot of Supergirl on that Adventure Comics cover... coulda been. 
Th above just goes to prove how stupid you are.
Fun doesn't mean simplistic.
Just because you haven't had fun reading comics in who the fuck cares how long doesn't mean other people haven't had fun reading them.
Your lack of fun is pretty much your hang up, no one else's...
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I'm Stupid?
Hi, pot. I'm Kettle. Guess what.... YOU'RE BLACK![/B]
Oh, and learn to read a post... in general, and for context.
Comics, in general, have become rather depressing. I Have fun reading them, but the stories contained within lack that fun.
Take the Flash, for example... Nothing too fun about miscarriages! Well, not for the general reader. Possibly you were cheering when Zoom killed a couple of Flash's unborn kids, but you're warped anyway.
And really... what was so simplistic about the Silver Age comics? Far fetched concepts? Yeah. But there were ideas tossed out in one panel that would require a twelve part maxi-series to explore today. (Wish I could remember what writer said that quote in an interview)
You just don't get it. You are a sad little hypocritical geek. Get over yourself!
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Every time you masturbate, God Kills a kitten! Please... think of the Kittens.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!
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Oh, and hhere, MOTA... Let me respond for you. Quote:
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First National Bastard
-Enormous, Sexually Voracious Lecher... who wants to claim your immortal soul!!!.
Every time you masturbate, God Kills a kitten! Please... think of the Kittens.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!
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Whinner...
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Quoth MOTA: Quote:
WAAAH! WAAAH! I can't brainwash anybody into becoming sycophantic crybabies as as me! They're all determined to have their own opinions and to respect the past! They won't lower their standards and become stupid '86-'99 hypocrites like me! I can't understand why they won't all conform to my opinions! It's not fair! WAAAH! WAAAH! WAAAH! [much thumb-sucking involved...or is that his thumb?]
We get it, MOTA. You're a proud Byrne/Jurgens zealot. Now shut up and get lost already.
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For the simple reason that the story that started with MoS hasn't ended, it's only been derailed for the last few years.
Just like what started with Year One, Emerald Dawn, God's & Monsters (which seems to have become the official name of the WW reboot), Hawkworld, etc haven't ended.
GL and Hawkman continuity, even though they don't currenly use Hal or Katar, are built upon the structure introduced in those relaunches (as shown in many recent issues of GL and the Thanagarian story arc in issues of Hawkman last year which made references to Hawkworld).
Same way with Superman.
The books were derailed by Berganza and love to please readers like K Trout and King Krypton who don't think DC has balls for undoing what Byrne did and bring back the Silver Age Krypton.
Readers who actually liked the Post Crisis comics left in droves a few years ago, they ran away from the crap being produced by DC right now.
That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the origin, it means there's something wrong with the comics being done TODAY.
For example:
Just because the Batman and Robin movie sucked doesn't mean there was something wrong with the original Batman movie.
When WB made Birds of Prey they decided to ignore B&R and go back to Batman Returns (on the TV show Catwoman was blonde and dressed in an outfit similar to the one from the movie, while Barbara wasn't Alfred's niece like in B&R).
Just because that show flopped doesn't mean there was anything wrong with the second movie, it means the show sucked.
So no, I can't say the same about Man of Steel because the problems with the comics today have NOTHING to do with the origin...
"For the simple reason that it hasn't ended"? So if it ended, if anyone ended it, you wouldn't be bitching about how it should stay forever and ever? And why can't you see Superman #150 as an ending? The only people that tell you it isn't an ending are Berganza and the rest of the guys you hate.
Now get ready because I'm about to point out another big contradiction:
You say WB ignored B&R and went back to Bat-Man Returns and you like that because B&R sucked. I agree with doing that too. That's called selective continuity. Leave what you like, ignore the rest. That's precisely what you considered "pathetic" about my proposal.
Another thing: if they had stayed with B&R, that doesn't prevent me from ejoying the first two movies. They're still good, and they can stand on their own. I know a lot of people who saw the second before the first one and had no problem enjoying it. Reading 17 years of comics or watching four two hour movies shouldn't be a requirement for enjoying a story.
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Mxy, the only way that story would end would be with another Crisis style reboot that was writen by real writers and not the fanboys working on the comics now.
And such a crisis would have to bring forth a new origin ,not a stupid ass rehash that only assholes like KKK can enjoy because it reminds them of the crap they liked when they were drooling children peeing in their pants.
As for not needing to know 17 years worth of stories to enjoy comics... SHOW me a comic that requieres that kind of knowledge.
No such thing exists... not that you'd know that since you only make blanket statements without actually knowing what the hell you're talking about.
See, people can enjoy the Star Wars movies even though the originals are over 20 years old because they can go rent them.
People will enjoy upcoming the Indiana Jones movie because they'll have seen the originals on TV or tape, DVD, whatever a hundred times.
Same with comics.
Your stupid ass remark about 17 year old continuity implies that these comics can't be read today, that new readers are somehow unable to get their hands on those old stories and thus they can't understand the current ones that make references to them.
This is bullshit since, as anyone with half a brain knows, such stories are available as tps and back issues which any one with real curiosity about the stories can go and buy, same way they rent the movies I mention above.
NOT that I expect people like you to understand such a thing, it's easier for you to say how stupid continuity is and blah, blah, etc, bs, bs, than in actually opening your eyes and noticing that the comic book industry today is not what it was 20-25 years ago.
Back then getting background info on characters was harder than today as there were not as many tps or comic book stores with back issue bins... or internet sites that have all the information any new reader might need to enjoy a comic.
That you, KKK, Bastard and others are too stupid to understand such a simple thing is really your problem, no one elses.
Your collective stupidity and ignorance is not reason enough for comics to revert back to the way they were done 40 years ago, which is what they're doing now, to catter to you, not real readers...
Comics are like a Rorschach test; everyone has a different opinion on what they are and can be...
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More BS from the editor that can't make up his mind, Mxy.
If he was going to allow for the inclusion of three Supermen from three different realities then why the fuck do Superman #200, the Godfall arc and include BR as the one and only origin, why not let it be its separate thing from the start?
Like I said, more BS.
Unlike you I don't need three, four or five different Supermen in comics, one is more than enough.
See, before Berganza fuck head, reading Superman comics was a great thing.
I'd get 52 Superman comics a year, all consistant with each other and all telling one continous story.
Now to please the fuck heads like KKK and others the titles have to be broken into THREE different versions or they'll whine that DC has no balls for sticking with Byrne's version.
I knew it. I wish you could hear how this stuff sounds outside your head. I don't give a fuck about the Godfall arc or Superman #200 or whatever.
You don't need three Supermen, you need one: that's precisely the point. If you want one, buy one. It won't kill you to have one Superman comic every month, will it? You have three to choose at the same time. That's the first real effort to please everyone that DC has done. Yet you can't appreciate it because you need something to bitch about. You just can't stand the fact that other people will enjoy a different version at the same time so you won't even enjoy the one that's being handed to you. When you read a story you don't think "Hmm, this character is interesting... I didn't see that coming... Great dialogue... Nice twist..." Instead you think "This doesn't link to Man of Steel... This doesn't link to Man of Steel... This doesn't link to Man of Steel... oh, look man-boobs! But this doesn't link to Man of Steel..."
Things started getting lame before Berganza arrived. The same guys who told amazing Superman stories couldn't come up with one decent story arc anymore. There were good stand-alone stories but they became less and less as time passed.
"DC has no balls to stick with Man of Steel"? Actually, sticking with Man of Steel would be the easy choice. They don't have to make any effort to improve the stories. They just have to be careful not to contradict anything and preserve the status quo. So a writer wants to be original and do something cool that contradicts Man of Steel? Fuck him, we have twenty lame writers willing to do simple little stories that don't contradict anything.
What DC did instead was very smart: they realized Superman fandom was split in two parts, one that wants the Silver Age and one that wants the Modern Age (we should find it a new name since there's nothing modern about it anymore), so they simply gave each part their version so they'd stop bitching. They even threw in an explanation, for those who give a fuck. And on top of that they bring a new darker version to attract new readers.
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The crap readers have been whinning to see come back...
Yeah!
All that useless crap... Like fun! And.. .self contained stories! And comics that could be read and enjoyed by both children and adults!
Yeah, who needs any of that oldschool crap. The way things are going, the comics industry will be dead in 15 years, and no one will have to worry about things like retcons and adherence to continuity, otr any of that other important stuff.
Oh, and that coulda been a wicked upskirt shot of Supergirl on that Adventure Comics cover... coulda been.
Th above just goes to prove how stupid you are.
Fun doesn't mean simplistic.
Just because you haven't had fun reading comics in who the fuck cares how long doesn't mean other people haven't had fun reading them.
Your lack of fun is pretty much your hang up, no one else's...
Actually, that's a proof of YOUR stupidity. Someone likes something you hate and he's stupid. As simple as that. You can't stand people having fun with things you hate.
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You
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Whinner...
I'd like to remind everyone that this guy likes Rob Lefield. That is all.
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Notice how I didn't call you stupid for liking Rob Lefield, even thought I don't like the stuff he "writes"? (we all know his monkeys write them for him)
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I'm Not Mister Mxypltk said:So a writer wants to be original and do something cool that contradicts Man of Steel?
What the fuck is original about anything that's happening this year?
Supergirl from Krypton's been done, three different Superman's been done, Superman as God's been done.
There's NOTHING original in this shit, it's fanboy crap coming from fanboys that got jobs as writers.
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What DC did instead was very smart: they realized Superman fandom was split in two parts, one that wants the Silver Age and one that wants the Modern Age (we should find it a new name since there's nothing modern about it anymore), so they simply gave each part their version so they'd stop bitching. They even threw in an explanation, for those who give a fuck. And on top of that they bring a new darker version to attract new readers.
They gave pathetic assholes who've been complaing for 17 years what they've been asking for to shut them the fuck up, they probably got tired of the collective whinning coming out of their yaps.
Not that it'll matter in the long run, this is just more bullshit from an indecesive editor that has no fucking idea of what he's doing.
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Actually, that's a proof of YOUR stupidity. Someone likes something you hate and he's stupid. As simple as that. You can't stand people having fun with things you hate.
No, it's a stupid person liking something that's stupid and aimed at simple minded people. My hating it has nothing to do with it being stupid.
If you loved eating dog shit and I told you you were being an idiot for doing it you probably think I was wrong for pointing out that you're eating dog shit.
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I'd like to remind everyone that this guy likes Rob Lefield. That is all.
Ah, another asshole in a long line of assholes.
I said I like how Rob Liefeld thinks and the stories he came up with for Heroes Reborn. I've never said that I like his art.
I was the first one at the comic store to point out that his Captain America had boobs when the promo art came out.
Just because the character had boobs doesn't mean that the idea of an eagle instead of an A is bad or that what he did in those first six issues of the HR Captain America was wrong.
Just like with Byrne's Superman people didn't like what Liefeld did because it was different.
Instead of Captain being on ice he had been awake for years living a false life.
This, to fucking asses like you, was wrong because it didn't follow what was set 40 years ago.
Concepts like Crisis and Onslaught,which rewrote the characters history (rewrote being the key word) is over your fucking heads.
You expect each retelling of the characters histories to remain the same forever, the same was what was done in the 1960's.
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same was what was done in the 1960's.
same way that it was done in the 1960's.
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Why are we resorting to name calling, when what each individual likes is a Matter of opinion? We are here to share those opinions in a pleasant atmosphere. Sure, losing your temper over a petty matter here is Quite easy online, when you don't have to ever see the poster who offended you in person. I am forced to wonder about both the frequency and severity of these arguments in here if we were all in the same room together? People in here are REAL humans. The type was left here by Humans, and these humans have feelings, too. It's of utmost importance to remember this, whether the person is sitting right next to us, or three thousand miles away. Sure, guys my age are very fond of what they read 35 - 40 years ago, but there's plenty of good NEW reading out there now, too. Why must things be so " All or Nothing " ? Let's have something from Column A and something from Column B, too. And let's respect what others like, even if it is not exactly our choice for reading. 
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This went beyond a difference of opinion when fuck face KK compared continuity/Byrne fans to the Talliban and Mxy suggested shooting people that don't like the SA and prefer stories that make sense...
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Oh, and if this were in person and not online I doubt asshole KK would have had the balls to accuse any Byrne fan of being like the Taliban to their face.
Odds are that in person this would be a much more civil debate.
Hell, I for one used to respect that asswipe's opinions on the old DC boards, but once we got here it became clear what kind of asshole he is...
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Mxy, the only way that story would end would be with another Crisis style reboot that was writen by real writers and not the fanboys working on the comics now.
A Crisis is an excuse. I've told you a 1000 times the Anti-Monitor didn't force Wolfman to do anything.
So, if someone wrote a Crisis you'd stop bitching? That's what I meant in the first place.
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And such a crisis would have to bring forth a new origin ,not a stupid ass rehash that only assholes like KKK can enjoy because it reminds them of the crap they liked when they were drooling children peeing in their pants.
In other words, you don't like the new origin and KK is stupid for liking it. But what if it became the official origin through a Crisis? What if your dear continuity dictated that it must be followed?
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As for not needing to know 17 years worth of stories to enjoy comics... SHOW me a comic that requieres that kind of knowledge.
The Superman comics you seem to want would be like that. I started buying Superman comics in 1993 and I didn't get a lot of stuff. They were enjoyable, but not as enjoyable as they became after I read what comes before. The Erradicator, Cadmus and Westfield, Hank Hensaw, etc., meant nothing to me. After I read everything that came before the story made a lot more sense and I saw it under a new light. Because of that Reign of the Superman remains one of my favorites to this day. I had to read all that came before to enjoy the story properly and that's ok, it was "just" seven years.
However, if we had an epic like that today, a new reader would have to read 17 years of comics to enjoy it properly, and that's just insane.
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No such thing exists... not that you'd know that since you only make blanket statements without actually knowing what the hell you're talking about.
So, you loooooove continuity, yet you can't think of any stories that require knowing about continuity to enjoy them? What the fuck is it good for, then, if what happens today won't be of any importance today?
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See, people can enjoy the Star Wars movies even though the originals are over 20 years old because they can go rent them.
The problem isn't how old they are, it's how many there are. You can't go to the comic store and buy 17 years of comics just like that.
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People will enjoy upcoming the Indiana Jones movie because they'll have seen the originals on TV or tape, DVD, whatever a hundred times.
Same with comics.
Your stupid ass remark about 17 year old continuity implies that these comics can't be read today, that new readers are somehow unable to get their hands on those old stories and thus they can't understand the current ones that make references to them.
Now you're playing dumb. You can't really believe that's what I meant.
Of course they can go pick up a 17 year old comic and enjoy it... but who has the time and the money to get 17 YEARS OF COMICS and read them all just to understand what happens today? If you looooooooooooooooooove continuity you should agree that everything that happens should have repercussions and be important for the future. That means almost every comic should be necessary to understand the present (I mean, if we're using continuity how it's suppoused to be used). And if they're not necessary; what the fuck is a continuity like that good for?
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This is bullshit since, as anyone with half a brain knows, such stories are available as tps and back issues which any one with real curiosity about the stories can go and buy, same way they rent the movies I mention above.
Buy 17 YEARS OF COMICS?! Maybe you have that kind of money, but most people don't... And not everything is in TPBs. Digging back individual backissues can be a bitch.
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NOT that I expect people like you to understand such a thing, it's easier for you to say how stupid continuity is and blah, blah, etc, bs, bs, than in actually opening your eyes and noticing that the comic book industry today is not what it was 20-25 years ago.
Boy, I really got my message across to you...
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Back then getting background info on characters was harder than today as there were not as many tps or comic book stores with back issue bins... or internet sites that have all the information any new reader might need to enjoy a comic.
It's not the same reading a comic than reading about it in the internet. I know: often I've tried to find out about character's backstory through several sites, and when I get to reading the comics very often I realize that things were very different from how the site told them.
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That you, KKK, Bastard and others are too stupid to understand such a simple thing is really your problem, no one elses.
Because we've said so many times that is our problem.
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Your collective stupidity and ignorance is not reason enough for comics to revert back to the way they were done 40 years ago, which is what they're doing now, to catter to you, not real readers...
Yet yours is enough reason for it revert to how they were in the 80's and 90's, oh great Mota.
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There's no such thing as a comic that requieres knowing 17 years worth of continuity, that's a lie that assholes like KK came up with to put continuity down.
When continuity's done right, like in JSA or Busiek's Avengers, everything a reader needs to know about past continuity is told to them in a way that makes sense.
That some readers are too fucking stupid to get it and would rather insult continuity and those that like it because it's easier to them doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the concept of continuity.
I do wonder why it's so fucking hard for you to understand what the era of comics I prefer is one of constant change and evolution, not repetition and stagnation as the era you and KKK want to see come back (which is what's happening in Superman now).
And no, I wouldn't enjoy or support a new Crisis if it's done out of the fucking mess that Berganza created on purpose.
Such a story should have been planned, not made up to fix what a stupid editor with no idea of what he was doing did.
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What the fuck is original about anything that's happening this year?
Supergirl from Krypton's been done,
"Superman is the only Kryptonian" was a holy rule for so long that using kryptonians is actually original nowadays.
This brings up a new question: Byrne and co. had a "no new kryptonians" rule. Do you see anyone here saying they hated other Kryptonians and had a powerful conspiracy to make sure they don't appear again because of their egos? No. Only you are able to come up with things like that, and, what's worse, actually believe them.
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Not this way. If they do it right, I mean. If they fuck up it'll be exactly like the Dominus saga.
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There's NOTHING original in this shit, it's fanboy crap coming from fanboys that got jobs as writers.
In your opinion Byrne brought back the original concept of Superman from 1938 (that not even Siegel and Shuster understood, according to you). You may refuse to see it, but he also took elements that were introduced in the Silver Age. So, basically, what he did was taking old stuff and updating it. You liked it, so it was original and it should stay forever and ever and every Superman fan in the planet should like it and embrace it as the origin, etc. You didn't like the new one so it's unoriginal, pathetic, everyone should hate it and if someone doesn't he's stupid.
You can't deny of this.
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They gave pathetic assholes who've been complaing for 17 years what they've been asking for to shut them the fuck up, they probably got tired of the collective whinning coming out of their yaps.
You should be happy, then. You'll get what you want in 17 years. Less, probably, since you bitch more than all of us together.
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Not that it'll matter in the long run, this is just more bullshit from an indecesive editor that has no fucking idea of what he's doing.
You know him personally so you know this for sure.
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No, it's a stupid person liking something that's stupid and aimed at simple minded people. My hating it has nothing to do with it being stupid.
If you loved eating dog shit and I told you you were being an idiot for doing it you probably think I was wrong for pointing out that you're eating dog shit.
If I'm eating dog shit and I'm enjoying it like lasagna that's none of your fucking business. I'm not an idiot for liking it. The idiot is the one that insults the other for not liking what he likes. You go beyond that: you think everyone should embrace and accept what you like. If someone doesn't like Man of Steel he's an idiot and he has no place in the monthly Superman comics.
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I'm Not Mister Mxypltk said:"Superman is the only Kryptonian" was a holy rule for so long that using kryptonians is actually original nowadays.
This brings up a new question: Byrne and co. had a "no new kryptonians" rule. Do you see anyone here saying they hated other Kryptonians and had a powerful conspiracy to make sure they don't appear again because of their egos? No. Only you are able to come up with things like that, and, what's worse, actually believe them.
They came up with the new Kryptonian rule because, guess what, Superman is the last Kryptonian! That's concept.
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Not this way. If they do it right, I mean. If they fuck up it'll be exactly like the Dominus saga.
No, it's a remake of the Earth 2, Earth 1 and Earth 3 Superman (but this time he's not evil, just dark).
It's not a remake of the Dominus thing.
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In your opinion Byrne brought back the original concept of Superman from 1938 (that not even Siegel and Shuster understood, according to you). You may refuse to see it, but he also took elements that were introduced in the Silver Age. So, basically, what he did was taking old stuff and updating it. You liked it, so it was original and it should stay forever and ever and every Superman fan in the planet should like it and embrace it as the origin, etc. You didn't like the new one so it's unoriginal, pathetic, everyone should hate it and if someone doesn't he's stupid.
You can't deny of this.
There's no such thing as a new origin. BR uses OLD elements taken from every single thing done before, there's nothing original in it.
The original elements in Byrne's version is what's had morons like you and KKK whinning for years...
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You should be happy, then. You'll get what you want in 17 years. Less, probably, since you bitch more than all of us together.
No, in 17 years I hope to get something DIFFERENT than what's been done before.
You really seem to have a hard time grasping that...
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You know him personally so you know this for sure.
The work speaks for itself...
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If I'm eating dog shit and I'm enjoying it like lasagna that's none of your fucking business. I'm not an idiot for liking it. The idiot is the one that insults the other for not liking what he likes. You go beyond that: you think everyone should embrace and accept what you like. If someone doesn't like Man of Steel he's an idiot and he has no place in the monthly Superman comics.
That describes you and KKK perfectly since you have hard time accepting people liking Byrne's work because it's not the same as what it used to be, just like you have a hard time accepting people not liking BR for being a rehash of what came before MoS.
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Ah, another asshole in a long line of assholes.
I said I like how Rob Liefeld thinks and the stories he came up with for Heroes Reborn. I've never said that I like his art.
I was the first one at the comic store to point out that his Captain America had boobs when the promo art came out.
Just because the character had boobs doesn't mean that the idea of an eagle instead of an A is bad or that what he did in those first six issues of the HR Captain America was wrong.
Just like with Byrne's Superman people didn't like what Liefeld did because it was different.
Instead of Captain being on ice he had been awake for years living a false life.
This, to fucking asses like you, was wrong because it didn't follow what was set 40 years ago.
Concepts like Crisis and Onslaught,which rewrote the characters history (rewrote being the key word) is over your fucking heads.
Uh... When did I say anything about Lefield's art? The art I've seen sucks, but the "writing" I've read is even worse.
I don't are what he did to Captain America, I've read one Captain America comic in my life. You say I hate that comic like I hate Man of Steel, but I've never red that comic and I like Man of Steel. What the fuck is wrong with your head? I'm serious.
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You expect each retelling of the characters histories to remain the same forever, the same was what was done in the 1960's.
You expect each retelling of the characters' stories to remain the same forever, the same as what was done in the 1980's.
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This went beyond a difference of opinion when fuck face KK compared continuity/Byrne fans to the Talliban and Mxy suggested shooting people that don't like the SA and prefer stories that make sense...
It's called a joke. I wouldn't shoot you. I just didn't think I had to clarify that: I thought you were smart enough to realize it was a joke.
Nah, I'm just kidding again! I knew you wouldn't get it. 
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Oh, and if this were in person and not online I doubt asshole KK would have had the balls to accuse any Byrne fan of being like the Taliban to their face.
Odds are that in person this would be a much more civil debate.
Hell, I for one used to respect that asswipe's opinions on the old DC boards, but once we got here it became clear what kind of asshole he is...
How "Continuity Taliban" different from "KKK"? If in your opinion what KK is doing is wrong, why are you lowering yourself to that level?
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Yu expect each retelling of the characters' stories to remain the same forever, the same as what was done in the 1980's.
No, you idiot, I expect them to be a continuation of it, not be the same over and over again.
Before Berganza came along the books were in constant growth, now they're in a constant state of boredom.
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How "Continuity Taliban" different from "KKK"? If in your opinion what KK is doing is wrong, why are you lowering yourself to that level?
Only people that deserve respect get respect.
Respect is earned, not given.
Like I said, I was respectful of that asshole's opinion on the other board, but once we got here he showed his true colors and pov on fans like me, so he gets what he gives.
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It wasn't that Byrne really did anything new with the Superman mythos, he just put his own spin on it. DC decided to reboot everything, not Byrne. DC and Superman's editors decided to take him in a new direction, they just hired Byrne to write it. Superman's editors decided to depower him so that he would have more Golden Age type power levels (only faster than a speeding bullet, only more powerful than a locomotive, but they kept his ability to fly), not Byrne. It was Jack Kirby who introduced Cadamus, The Guardian, and The Newsboy Legion to the Superman mythos (Jimmy Olsen and The Newsboy Legion) during the Silver Age, not Byrne after Crisis. It was Seigel and Shuster who created Superman's sole weakness (green K) and Silver Age writers who created other forms of Kryptonite, so green K being Superman's only weakness is a Golden Age idea, not Byrne's.
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Your point?
Byrne took Superman back to his true roots... unlike Waid who's making him a SuperGod like what he was in the Silver Age.
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Your point?
My point is, if the pre-crisis Supes was so bad, why wouldn't DC let Byrne do somethin' completely new?
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But he did plenty of new things.
From the alien Krypton to Clark having to win Lois' heart AS Clark and not as Superman, to the relationship between Clark and his parents and Lois and her parents, and Luthor and Lois and Luthor and Clark, Perry and Luthor, etc.
Byrne's comics were character driven instead of plot driven like what had been done till then and is being done now.
Today the plot dictates what a comic is going to be about, the characters have been lost because people like KK and Mxy have spent the last few years complaining that Superman has been talking with his parents more often than he punches someone on the head.
What Byrne did was offer a more grounded perspective to the character and this brought forth many character-driven stories and moments.
Along the way he introduced new elements, like the afortmentioned alien Krypton, (with Wolfman's help and inspiration) an egomaniac Lex Luthor who hates Superman for being more popular than him (instead of hating him for burning his head), stuff like that.
When it comes to character Byrne's comics win over the crap we've been subjected to since 99...
I mean, Superman vs Dracula... what the fuck was that about?
Once a hero fights Dracula it's clear that the writer has run out of ideas...
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Maybe Next Superman will Fight : Frankenstien Wolfman Creature from the Black lagoon The Blob or a more MODERN enemy : Alien ( Sigourney Weaver's old pals )
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Actually Wolverine's fighting all of those, lol.
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Well, except the Alien, lol
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Wonder who would win in a Fight : Thor Vs Superman??? Galactus Vs Superman? Jesus Vs Superman?? Roseanne vs Superman?? 
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Thor Vs Superman???
Galactus Vs Superman?
Jesus Vs Superman??
If Mark Waid or Mort write it then Superman wins with both hands tied behind his back, wearing a blind fold and with his legs cut off at the knee.
They make Superman into a being more powerful than the Gods themselves so characters like Thor, Galactus and Jesus wouldn't posse a threat to him.
If he's writen by a real writer and uses the powers he should have then it go something like this
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Beardguy57 said:Roseanne vs Superman??
Sounds like something that would happen on Celebrity Death Match
(of course those guys would probably pit Stephen Hawkins vs Christopher Reeve if such a parody had an audience)
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Proffessor X VS The Chief??
( Chief was Leader of Doom patrol, He
was wheel chair Bound, like Charles was
and this would be when they were both in
wheel chairs. )
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